Why aren't the San Francisco 49ers the front runner for Peyton? (1 Viewer)

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

It's because Harbaugh is a total DBag.

Sorry he shook your hand too hard, Nancy.

 

[Jason Wood]

People sure seem to be making a lot of proclamations about Harbaugh, and I'm not even sure they're justifiable insults. He has a big ego? Really? That's the complaint? Don't you want your head coach having a big ego? Don't you want a guy that takes command of the room and believes he's going to make this team the best in the league? What successful NFL head coach doesn't have a huge ego?

Sure, most coaches have big egos, but most coaches don't get into shoving matches with the opposing coach after a game. Most coaches don't come across as smug and arrogant with the media (or at least some of them don't). I think there's enough smoke here that there's something to the fact that Jim Harbough is at best a prickly personality. Great coach, though.

Some of the best coaches in history have been tyrants. Bill Parcells has eviscerated people many an occasion. Bill Belichick has made media members look like idiots. All I'm saying is that the idea that Jim Harbaugh's ego would preclude him from adding Peyton Manning holds very little water to me. I believe he and the rest of the organization genuinely believe they are close to being a title contender. It's not like punting Alex Smith and adding Manning is a one for one decision. Adding Manning brings with it so much other change. System? Responsibilities of the coaches? Salary cap structure for other FAs and keeping your own?

 

[Couch Potato]

It's because Harbaugh is a total DBag.

Sorry he shook your hand too hard, Nancy.

Jimmy HardPaw handshakes are not for the weak.

 

[inzanitee]

People sure seem to be making a lot of proclamations about Harbaugh, and I'm not even sure they're justifiable insults. He has a big ego? Really? That's the complaint? Don't you want your head coach having a big ego? Don't you want a guy that takes command of the room and believes he's going to make this team the best in the league? What successful NFL head coach doesn't have a huge ego?

Sure, most coaches have big egos, but most coaches don't get into shoving matches with the opposing coach after a game. Most coaches don't come across as smug and arrogant with the media (or at least some of them don't). I think there's enough smoke here that there's something to the fact that Jim Harbough is at best a prickly personality. Great coach, though.

Some of the best coaches in history have been tyrants. Bill Parcells has eviscerated people many an occasion. Bill Belichick has made media members look like idiots. All I'm saying is that the idea that Jim Harbaugh's ego would preclude him from adding Peyton Manning holds very little water to me. I believe he and the rest of the organization genuinely believe they are close to being a title contender. It's not like punting Alex Smith and adding Manning is a one for one decision. Adding Manning brings with it so much other change. System? Responsibilities of the coaches? Salary cap structure for other FAs and keeping your own?

I agree with everything you say basically. But I do believe there's enough evidence to show that Jim Harbough is a Richard and that those types of insults are justifiable. Maybe. Would love it if they signed Manning, though, imagine the NFC playoffs with Rodgers, Brees and two Mannings. Yikes.

 

[Cookiemonster]

Just posted in the Manning poll thread:

I'm thinking the 9ers. I think the AZ interest is a bargaining smoke screen against SF. He DOESN'T want to face the 9er D twice a year. I think the same could be said for the Redskins/Giants (+ little Manning). Bay area is cool and damp, but not freezing like the northeast. Also not so sure he'd like to have to beat the Pats for the division if he went to Miami. If this is about winning a ring, and making competitive money, SF looks like the best destination.

Do you guys really think Manning will make his decision based on what Defenses he will face in his division? Really? Do you think he is that much of a weak,player, lacking in confidence that much? I don't. I don't think a HOF QB is worried about the other team's defenses. And at the end of the day, your team has to be better than everyone else to win the SB. I think he will consider which team has the best talent to support his style of play.I think he will consider which team's OC and HC are the best fit for him.I think he will consider which team offers him the most money/best contract terms.And, I think he MAY consider which location is best for he and his family.But the competition? No way.

I think a guy like Manning would look forward to the challenge of having to beat teams like the Pats or the 49ers twice a year.

I don't think Peyton is afraid of the challenge of facing a good defense or a good team. I think he's more likely to think SF gives him a much easier road to the playoffs/championship than with Miami or Washington, and with the health of his spine, yes, I think having them as a nasty pass rushing opponent would be a deterrent to AZ.

 

[Faust]

I know that publicly the 49ers are saying that they back Alex Smith, and want him to return to the 49ers for the upcoming season and that they are not interested in Manning. It wouldn't be the first time that NFL team says one thing publicly and does the opposite behind the scenes, especially when they would be just one team in the running for Manning's services and if they can't land him, then they would need to go back to their original plan.

(speculation on my part)

 

[Faust]

Johnson is logical move if Smith deal isn't done

Matt Maiocco

So how do the 49ers proceed if, when free agency opens Tuesday at 1 p.m., quarterback Alex Smith remains unsigned?

Some have wondered whether the 49ers would place a phone call to Tom Condon, the agent who represents both Smith and Peyton Manning, and attempt to get in on the Manning Sweepstakes.

What about Matt Flynn, the capable backup who saw action here and there for the Green Bay Packers behind Aaron Rodgers?

The more likely scenario would be for Jim Harbaugh to attempt to reunite with a quarterback from his past.

Josh Johnson, who played for Harbaugh at the University of San Diego, is looking for an opportunity to compete for a job. He probably wasn't going to get that chance with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, even though Josh Freeman struggled last year after a fine 2010 season.

Johnson completed 19 of 36 passes for 246 yards with one touchdown and two interceptions with the Buccaneers last season. He is scheduled to be an unrestricted free agent on Tuesday.

Meanwhile, the 49ers and Smith remain apart on the contract particulars while both sides have made it clear they want the union to continue.

As first reported in early December, the 49ers want to sign Smith to a short-term contract without a huge financial commitment. Smith, whom Harbaugh said was an "elite quarterback," wants a commitment of guaranteed money that reflects those words.

But the 49ers want the door to remain open for Colin Kaepernick to eventually take over as the starter. After all, the 49ers did not trade up to select Kaepernick in the second round last year so that he could be a career backup.

That's why a quick strike for Johnson in free agency makes sense.

Johnson will not warrant a large financial commitment. And Harbaugh has repeatedly said that every position will be earned through competition -- including quarterback.

If the 49ers were to sign Johnson, they could still bring back Smith, continue to groom Kaepernick and see what happens as those three quarterbacks -- and Scott Tolzien -- work through the offseason and training camp.

 

[5Rings]

Former Colts coach Tony Dungy, for one, believes the 49ers' lack of commitment to Smith makes San Francisco the best fit for Manning."San Francisco, I look at what they did and whether they've made that commitment to Alex Smith yet, I don't know," Dungy told NFL Network on Wednesday. "I don't know where they stand, but that's a team that's got great defense, it has some young receivers, a very good tight end and a good back ... you put Peyton Manning in that offense and people are going to be scared to play them."Manning is not reported to have his sights set on San Francisco, but that could change if Smith decides to test the market.

 

[shader]

According to many sources, SF is now the front runner.

Great news for football fans. SF always was the best possible destination for Peyton and nowhere else is even close.

As a Titans fan, I'd be intrigued to see him, and a bit disappointed. But if Peyton wants to close out his career with a super bowl, he needs to go to SF.

Denver seems like the worst possible destination. One Peyton injury from a PR nightmare.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Just makes too much sense for him to go there.

 

[Riversco]

Peyton to the 49ers would really generate the most buzz for the NFL. It would be bigger than the Eagles dream team of last year, that's for sure.

 

[FavreCo]

I'd bet anything that what is stopping Manning from signing with SF already is the fact that they are in the NFC. If he signs there he has to battle his brother for the right to go to the SB. I also think that was now the #1 reason Eli didn't want to play in SD. They were with out a doubt superior to the Giants at that time.

It's $ (DEN or TEN) vs chance for a SB (SF).

 

[Popinski]

I'd bet anything that what is stopping Manning from signing with SF already is the fact that they are in the NFC. If he signs there he has to battle his brother for the right to go to the SB.

I don't understand this thinking. The odds are still small that the Giants and 49ers would be standing in each others way in the playoffs. And it's not as if Peyton's career is just beginning where he and Eli would be rivals over the next 10 years. The best chance of having a Manning win a SB is still if Peyton chooses the 49ers, even if they are in the same conference.

 

[cstu]

I'd bet anything that what is stopping Manning from signing with SF already is the fact that they are in the NFC. If he signs there he has to battle his brother for the right to go to the SB.

I don't understand this thinking. The odds are still small that the Giants and 49ers would be standing in each others way in the playoffs. And it's not as if Peyton's career is just beginning where he and Eli would be rivals over the next 10 years. The best chance of having a Manning win a SB is still if Peyton chooses the 49ers, even if they are in the same conference.

Frankly, I think the only reason is the money and Peyton is using Eli as an excuse to take more money elsewhere.

 

[sho nuff]

According to many sources, SF is now the front runner.Great news for football fans. SF always was the best possible destination for Peyton and nowhere else is even close.As a Titans fan, I'd be intrigued to see him, and a bit disappointed. But if Peyton wants to close out his career with a super bowl, he needs to go to SF. Denver seems like the worst possible destination. One Peyton injury from a PR nightmare.

And according to many sources...TN is the front runner as well.

Clay Travis ‏ @ClayTravisBGID Source close to Manning says Titans have weathered 49er storm and to expect presser by Tuesday at latest.

 

[goldenchild]

According to many sources, SF is now the front runner.Great news for football fans. SF always was the best possible destination for Peyton and nowhere else is even close.As a Titans fan, I'd be intrigued to see him, and a bit disappointed. But if Peyton wants to close out his career with a super bowl, he needs to go to SF. Denver seems like the worst possible destination. One Peyton injury from a PR nightmare.

And according to many sources...TN is the front runner as well.

Clay Travis ‏ @ClayTravisBGID Source close to Manning says Titans have weathered 49er storm and to expect presser by Tuesday at latest.

Oh snap.

 

[Wingnut]

According to many sources, SF is now the front runner.Great news for football fans. SF always was the best possible destination for Peyton and nowhere else is even close.As a Titans fan, I'd be intrigued to see him, and a bit disappointed. But if Peyton wants to close out his career with a super bowl, he needs to go to SF. Denver seems like the worst possible destination. One Peyton injury from a PR nightmare.

And according to many sources...TN is the front runner as well.

Clay Travis ‏ @ClayTravisBGID Source close to Manning says Titans have weathered 49er storm and to expect presser by Tuesday at latest.

I call BS on both of those reports. Peyton hasnt made up his mind yet, regardless of what anyone says (if he has decided already, hes not going to tell someone who could leak the info). He may be leaning one way or the other, but that means squat until the announcement is made.

 

[Run It Up]

According to many sources, SF is now the front runner.Great news for football fans. SF always was the best possible destination for Peyton and nowhere else is even close.As a Titans fan, I'd be intrigued to see him, and a bit disappointed. But if Peyton wants to close out his career with a super bowl, he needs to go to SF. Denver seems like the worst possible destination. One Peyton injury from a PR nightmare.

And according to many sources...TN is the front runner as well.

Clay Travis ‏ @ClayTravisBGID Source close to Manning says Titans have weathered 49er storm and to expect presser by Tuesday at latest.

And according to the Denver Post since the beginning of free agency they have and always have been the front runner. (seems legit lol)

 

[FavreCo]

I'd bet anything that what is stopping Manning from signing with SF already is the fact that they are in the NFC. If he signs there he has to battle his brother for the right to go to the SB.

I don't understand this thinking. The odds are still small that the Giants and 49ers would be standing in each others way in the playoffs. And it's not as if Peyton's career is just beginning where he and Eli would be rivals over the next 10 years. The best chance of having a Manning win a SB is still if Peyton chooses the 49ers, even if they are in the same conference.

If he chooses anyone but SF, then he is either in it for the $ only (and to chase Favre's records) or he doesn't want to play in the NFC. There's really no other reason that I can see. THe only 2 teams that have a chance are SF and maybe ARI of the teams wanting him. TEN is ok but no chance at a SB.

 

[Captain Hook]

According to many sources, SF is now the front runner.Great news for football fans. SF always was the best possible destination for Peyton and nowhere else is even close.As a Titans fan, I'd be intrigued to see him, and a bit disappointed. But if Peyton wants to close out his career with a super bowl, he needs to go to SF. Denver seems like the worst possible destination. One Peyton injury from a PR nightmare.

Must be a delusional 49er fanIF Peyton plays in the NFC he has to beat some combination of Brees and the Saints, Rodgers and the Packers, or Eli and the Giants to get to the Super Bowl..........so football wise he would have better chances in the AFC West or Central.As far as family and money concerns Tennessee has those locked up beyond belief.If you don't realize how loved and revered Manning is in Tennessee, consider a few things- not even high school quarterbacks wear his number- his wife loved their time there- Bud Adams has already offered him a lifetime position.....possibly with ownership % after this playing days- not sure anyone would even contest him for any seat in Tennessee politics if he finishes his career there and wished to go that route

 

[Young 8]

Must be a delusional 49er fanIF Peyton plays in the NFC he has to beat some combination of Brees and the Saints, Rodgers and the Packers, or Eli and the Giants to get to the Super Bowl..........so football wise he would have better chances in the AFC West or Central.

Really ?So do you think the Titans can beat Ravens, Patriots & Steelers ?

 

[Pots]

Must be a delusional 49er fanIF Peyton plays in the NFC he has to beat some combination of Brees and the Saints, Rodgers and the Packers, or Eli and the Giants to get to the Super Bowl..........so football wise he would have better chances in the AFC West or Central.

Really ?So do you think the Titans can beat Ravens, Patriots & Steelers ?

I think the Saints, Packers, and Giants are all better competition than the Ravens, Pats, Steelers.

 

[No Way Jose]

Must be a delusional 49er fanIF Peyton plays in the NFC he has to beat some combination of Brees and the Saints, Rodgers and the Packers, or Eli and the Giants to get to the Super Bowl..........so football wise he would have better chances in the AFC West or Central.

Really ?So do you think the Titans can beat Ravens, Patriots & Steelers ?

I think the Saints, Packers, and Giants are all better competition than the Ravens, Pats, Steelers.

The AFC is aging and the NFC is on the way up. He has 4 gaurenteed wins agains the Colts and Jax and he has owned the Texans his entire career. Titans finished just outside the playoffs with a ton of injuries last year. Its not unfathomable to think that PM could get the Titans to the SB.

 

[Run It Up]

Must be a delusional 49er fanIF Peyton plays in the NFC he has to beat some combination of Brees and the Saints, Rodgers and the Packers, or Eli and the Giants to get to the Super Bowl..........so football wise he would have better chances in the AFC West or Central.

Really ?So do you think the Titans can beat Ravens, Patriots & Steelers ?

I think the Saints, Packers, and Giants are all better competition than the Ravens, Pats, Steelers.

The AFC is aging and the NFC is on the way up. He has 4 gaurenteed wins agains the Colts and Jax and he has owned the Texans his entire career. Titans finished just outside the playoffs with a ton of injuries last year. Its not unfathomable to think that PM could get the Titans to the SB.

Its not unfathomable that Peyton could take any team to the superbowl, except maybe seattle. Beside the point, Niners are the best team in the running for him and are building a great team, Titans are also very good and Denver is the 3rd team here.The NFC West is on equal ground as the AFC west and both are weaker divisions than the AFC south. A lot of people have brought up that if Peyton lands in san fran his first year schedule will be brutal and my answer to that is so what?

 

[sho nuff]

According to many sources, SF is now the front runner.Great news for football fans. SF always was the best possible destination for Peyton and nowhere else is even close.As a Titans fan, I'd be intrigued to see him, and a bit disappointed. But if Peyton wants to close out his career with a super bowl, he needs to go to SF. Denver seems like the worst possible destination. One Peyton injury from a PR nightmare.

And according to many sources...TN is the front runner as well.

Clay Travis ‏ @ClayTravisBGID Source close to Manning says Titans have weathered 49er storm and to expect presser by Tuesday at latest.

And according to the Denver Post since the beginning of free agency they have and always have been the front runner. (seems legit lol)

Everyone is the frontrunner.Everyone has a source that wants to be the one breaking the story.So far...none of them have got it...

 

[5Rings]

Must be a delusional 49er fanIF Peyton plays in the NFC he has to beat some combination of Brees and the Saints, Rodgers and the Packers, or Eli and the Giants to get to the Super Bowl..........so football wise he would have better chances in the AFC West or Central.

Really ?So do you think the Titans can beat Ravens, Patriots & Steelers ?

I think the Saints, Packers, and Giants are all better competition than the Ravens, Pats, Steelers.

The AFC is aging and the NFC is on the way up. He has 4 gaurenteed wins agains the Colts and Jax and he has owned the Texans his entire career. Titans finished just outside the playoffs with a ton of injuries last year. Its not unfathomable to think that PM could get the Titans to the SB.

Its not unfathomable that Peyton could take any team to the superbowl, except maybe seattle. Beside the point, Niners are the best team in the running for him and are building a great team, Titans are also very good and Denver is the 3rd team here.The NFC West is on equal ground as the AFC west and both are weaker divisions than the AFC south. A lot of people have brought up that if Peyton lands in san fran his first year schedule will be brutal and my answer to that is so what?

Real quick hijack...this NFC West being the worst division talk is over. I'd say the AFC East, AFC South, and AFC West are all poorer divisions right now. AFC South in particular has two of the 4-5 worst teams with IND/JAX.

 

[shader]

I'm not ready to think about Peyton to Tennessee yet. But a healthy Peyton is going to throw for 4k yards in this league.

It's still going to take a defense and the 49ers are miles ahead of Denver or Tennessee.

 

[Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub]

If I never see another thing Mike Klis (Denver Post) posts again, life would be wonderful.

I've never seen someone so consistently wrong in my life. I recall him say "Denver isn't going after Manning"....then an hour/two later say "they're definitely interested"....to then saying "they're the favorites undoubtedly"

 

[Run It Up]

Must be a delusional 49er fanIF Peyton plays in the NFC he has to beat some combination of Brees and the Saints, Rodgers and the Packers, or Eli and the Giants to get to the Super Bowl..........so football wise he would have better chances in the AFC West or Central.

Really ?So do you think the Titans can beat Ravens, Patriots & Steelers ?

I think the Saints, Packers, and Giants are all better competition than the Ravens, Pats, Steelers.

The AFC is aging and the NFC is on the way up. He has 4 gaurenteed wins agains the Colts and Jax and he has owned the Texans his entire career. Titans finished just outside the playoffs with a ton of injuries last year. Its not unfathomable to think that PM could get the Titans to the SB.

Its not unfathomable that Peyton could take any team to the superbowl, except maybe seattle. Beside the point, Niners are the best team in the running for him and are building a great team, Titans are also very good and Denver is the 3rd team here.The NFC West is on equal ground as the AFC west and both are weaker divisions than the AFC south. A lot of people have brought up that if Peyton lands in san fran his first year schedule will be brutal and my answer to that is so what?

Real quick hijack...this NFC West being the worst division talk is over. I'd say the AFC East, AFC South, and AFC West are all poorer divisions right now. AFC South in particular has two of the 4-5 worst teams with IND/JAX.

Hold on, what?!2010 everyone would have agreed that the NFC west was the worst division in the NFL, with the AFC west not far behind. What has changed in that one year since? The Rams, Seahawks and Cards have all regressed and the Niners have made an incredibly turn around. In that same time period the Chargers have dropped out of contention as one of the best teams in the NFL and the Chiefs have regressed but the Broncos and Raiders have improved. Outside of being more competitive I dont see how either division as a whole has moved at all from being the bottom two divisions in the NFL.Also, I reject the notion that the AFC East or South are anywhere close to being worse than the one team division that is the NFC West.

 

[Prussian]

Shoney's helps sweeten the deal?

http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/chompions/201203/restaurant-stacks-impressive-offer-lure-manning-1

Apparently offering Manning Pancakes every day for the rest of his career if he signs in TEN. Kind of funny ... but, well, maybe it's just funny.

 

[Jason Wood]

I personally think Peyton has made up his mind, but Condon is using all three teams against one another to extract the maximum value out of the contract. You have to wonder where those reports of a "5-year, $60mm" contract from the Broncos came from last Friday, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was Condon's team as a way of getting any chance of a lowball offer out of the way quickly. It behooves Condon and Manning to have all three teams make their "best and final" offers with the assumption Manning is seriously considering them all, and then as long as his top choice isn't significantly below the parameters of the others, he'll "choose" them in the next few days.

 

[Ghost of Bill Walsh]

I personally think Peyton has made up his mind, but Condon is using all three teams against one another to extract the maximum value out of the contract. You have to wonder where those reports of a "5-year, $60mm" contract from the Broncos came from last Friday, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was Condon's team as a way of getting any chance of a lowball offer out of the way quickly. It behooves Condon and Manning to have all three teams make their "best and final" offers with the assumption Manning is seriously considering them all, and then as long as his top choice isn't significantly below the parameters of the others, he'll "choose" them in the next few days.

Yeah, it was rumored that the Dolphins kinda made a lowball offer to Flynn and look what happened, he signed with the Seahawks. The money in the contract offers will be important to Manning and they'll help make his decision. If the Broncos offered 60 mil surely the Titans are gonna offer more. Didn't Bud Adams say he'd basically give Peyton a blank check. Good if that's true yet I still think the 49ers offer the best chance for Manning to win another SB ring soon, if that's a priority for him,and that another getting another ring is more important than the money. I sincerely hope his chooses the 49ers as the team he wants to play for because if we lose out on Manning it's possible we lose Alex Smith as well and could quite possibly be starting Colin Kaepernick in 2012. Losing Smith won't bother me as much as losing out on Manning as Smith has yet to win us a SB and I still don't think he will, even since he got us to the NFC title game last year. I like the Moss & Manningham additions and along with Vernon Davis,Frank Gore,Crabtree and even Harbaugh I hope that that will be enough to sway Peyton into selecting the 49ers as his team for the rest of his career.

 

[footballnerd]

the huge elephant in the room is that Peyton has about 3 potentially good years left, whether he wants to win 1 SB or multiple before then, is up to him. I can see money being the only issue where he ends up anywhere else.

 

[Wingnut]

Because he doesnt care about a ring.

 

[footballnerd]

Because he doesnt care about a ring.

Den Def is pretty good, and looking at the young receiving core they have I could see it thriving. Weak AFC west helps, but most of all he doesn't have to compete with his bro....guess that outweighs locking a couple up....

 

[Wingnut]

Because he doesnt care about a ring.

Den Def is pretty good, and looking at the young receiving core they have I could see it thriving. Weak AFC west helps, but most of all he doesn't have to compete with his bro....guess that outweighs locking a couple up....

Now we can root for a 49ers-Broncos SB so we can whip his ### and show him he made a mistake

 

[cstu]

 

[5Rings]

but still

 

[FavreCo]

Went for the $.

 

[shader]

49ers will really be hurting if they lose Alex Smith. Tough situation when 21 players are ready to win a super bowl, but the QB stinks.