why didnt the bad snap count as a sack? (1 Viewer)

[Soaring Eagle]

i thought that would be scored as a chicago def sack

 

[The Jerk]

I believe the official scorer determines if a play is (or would have been) a passing play or a running play. Even when the QB is in the shotgun, the play can be a run. I can only assume the official scorer did not believe the play was clearly a passing play.

Another way of thinking about it is that the scorer considered it the same as a fumbled regular snap from under center. If that happens and the QB falls on it a yard or two behind the line of scrimmage, it typically is not scored a sack either.

Another example of a play that could be scored as a "run" and tackle instead of a sack is if the QB turns the wrong way and misses the handoff to the running back and then is tackled behind the line of scrimmage.

Someone more knowledgeable than me about exactly how the scoring decision is made might have more insight, but that's how I understand it.

 

[CaptainHook]

i wouldnt be surprised if it gets changed. im pretty sure ive seen these ruled as sacks before.

 

[redaddy25]

My question is if this isn't a sack, shouldn't it count as negative rushing yards? Ended up tying my game and I have the Bears D. If this were to be changed to a sack, or the team was given -22 rushing yards they would have under 100 for the game and I would win... Otherwise I lose on the tiebreaker. Such is life in fantasy football

 

[Shutout]

On a bad snap there is no establishment of a possession so there is no passing play for a QB to get sacked.

I haven't looked at this play in the box score, but normally, if anything, you will see a tackle awarded to the defensive player who touches the person lying on the ball (usually the QB) and you may see negative rushing yards to that same player (also usually the QB).

Hope that helps/maybe makes sense if you go back and look at how the stats were assigned.

 

[Mello]

My question is if this isn't a sack, shouldn't it count as negative rushing yards? Ended up tying my game and I have the Bears D. If this were to be changed to a sack, or the team was given -22 rushing yards they would have under 100 for the game and I would win... Otherwise I lose on the tiebreaker. Such is life in fantasy football

I think it should count as negative rushing yards.

 

[3nOut]

Good discussion here with very plausible explanations. I asked the same thing yesterday in the game thread and got ridiculed for asking.

 

[GOroute]

in a league i am in, someone had bears de. if that is counted as a sack, they win. if it is not a sack, they lose. that's crazy. what will the final answe be? i wonder if the nfl even knows.

 

[GOroute]

and didnt percy harvin have a play from the qb position tackled behind line? in the nfl isnt that a sack? i have seen qb's scramble, step out of bounds 1 yard before los and they get a sack.

 

[The Jerk]

and didnt percy harvin have a play from the qb position tackled behind line? in the nfl isnt that a sack? i have seen qb's scramble, step out of bounds 1 yard before los and they get a sack.

Harvin's play appeared to be a designed run -- at least to the official scorer, which is all that really matters. No sack there. There's no difference between Harvin's 1 yard loss on a run and a QB sneak that loses a yard. Neither is scored as a sack.

 

[GOroute]

and didnt percy harvin have a play from the qb position tackled behind line? in the nfl isnt that a sack? i have seen qb's scramble, step out of bounds 1 yard before los and they get a sack.

Harvin's play appeared to be a designed run -- at least to the official scorer, which is all that really matters. No sack there. There's no difference between Harvin's 1 yard loss on a run and a QB sneak that loses a yard. Neither is scored as a sack.

yes, but what if the qb looks to throw and then runs? and what if the look to throw was a fake? how can a stat keeper know? what if harvin runs hard and then if it is there he throws it?? how is a stat keeper supposed to know? does the off coord need to text the stat keeper on the play design? funny thing is this doesnt impact me but i see where the owner that is losing would be mad.

 

[The Jerk]

in a league i am in, someone had bears de. if that is counted as a sack, they win. if it is not a sack, they lose. that's crazy. what will the final answe be? i wonder if the nfl even knows.

I wouldn't call it a sack, but I'm not the official scorer. I'm trying to figure out what happened to the 22 yards that were lost. As far as I can tell, they are not accounted for in the rushing or total yards for the game.I know fumbles normally count against yardage when recovered by the team, as happened with Bennett last night. He lost three receiving yards, as he should have, when Olsen recovered his fumble.However, I'm not sure if there is a distinct rule for bad snaps, such as when a ball is snapped over a punter's head or obviously in this instance over a QB. If I was the official scoring czar of the NFL, I'd classify it as a -22 yard rush, although if possible, give it to the "team" instead of to Favre. So it would count against the total rushing yardage for the team but not any individual. If team is not an option, then I suppose Favre has to be credited with it.For what it's worth, I'd like a team rushing yardage stat to include fumbled snaps as well as intentional kneel-downs at the end of halves, but now I realize I'm moving far away from the intent of this thread.

 

[The Jerk]

and didnt percy harvin have a play from the qb position tackled behind line? in the nfl isnt that a sack? i have seen qb's scramble, step out of bounds 1 yard before los and they get a sack.

Harvin's play appeared to be a designed run -- at least to the official scorer, which is all that really matters. No sack there. There's no difference between Harvin's 1 yard loss on a run and a QB sneak that loses a yard. Neither is scored as a sack.

yes, but what if the qb looks to throw and then runs? and what if the look to throw was a fake? how can a stat keeper know? what if harvin runs hard and then if it is there he throws it?? how is a stat keeper supposed to know? does the off coord need to text the stat keeper on the play design? funny thing is this doesnt impact me but i see where the owner that is losing would be mad.

I understand your point, but the scorer can only go by what is shown on the field. It doesn't matter what the play was intended to be, just what actually happens on the field.Compare Harvin's run to a halfback option pass, where a RB heads out into the flat for a few yards, puts his arm up looking for a receiver, sees nothing, then pulls the ball down and ends up losing two yards. Given the appearance of an intended pass, that should be credited as a sack. At no time during Harvin's run did I believe a pass was a possibility. The official scorer seems to have viewed the play the same way I did, which is why that was a -1 yard rush instead of a sack.