Why do people do this? (1 Viewer)

[Caesar]

Why is that I have recieved three trade offers in the past couple days where someone was trying to trade a guy fresh off the waiver wire and someone they drafted 13th round for one of my early round picks?

Delhomme and Shaun McDonald for Boldin?? or how about this one... Derrick Ward and Brett Favre for Maroney??

Do people honestly think someone is going to make that trade?

Help me out because I don't understand.

Would something like this make you less likely to deal with that person later? Maybe it just annoys me more than it should.

 

[pollardsvision]

i'm not sure why people would try this, it is rather insulting.

 

[Shiggy Shaol]

I am a huge trader year in and year out. While I do get some BAD offers now and then, I prefer to at least have SOME dialogue then none. I hate sending offers out or even trying to begin discussions and hearing crickets at the other end.

Just look at these bad offers as the beginning of discussions. Let him/her know that he's not in the ballpark and then you adjust the deal. Don't cut off discussions unless the horrendous offers keep coming and you begin to think there's something mentally wrong with the owner.

 

[ceo3west]

Why is that I have recieved three trade offers in the past couple days where someone was trying to trade a guy fresh off the waiver wire and someone they drafted 13th round for one of my early round picks?Delhomme and Shaun McDonald for Boldin?? or how about this one... Derrick Ward and Brett Favre for Maroney?? Do people honestly think someone is going to make that trade? Help me out because I don't understand. Would something like this make you less likely to deal with that person later? Maybe it just annoys me more than it should.

I can't stand that, and it happens often. I always call the guy out on it.

 

[cstu]

Let's take the way back machine to 2003 and that waiver pick was Boldin. I'm not saying Ward is that guy but if he is then the trade makes sense.

The biggest problem a lot of fantasy players have is letting go of the "I drafted him in X round" mentality.

 

[Caesar]

Let's take the way back machine to 2003 and that waiver pick was Boldin. I'm not saying Ward is that guy but if he is then the trade makes sense. The biggest problem a lot of fantasy players have is letting go of the "I drafted him in X round" mentality.

I agree that the round shouldn't matter. But Ward is not likely to be the starter beyond the next couple weeks. In a PPR league, that trade makes no sense. And to add to it.. all of the leagues are blind bid... I figure had I wanted one of these guys bad enough, I would have bid on them in the auction... certainly if I thought they were worthy of an early pick if I was drafting today, then I would have bid high enough to get them... not wait to trade away my WR1/2 or RB1.. just seems insulting to me.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I hate when people make lopsided trade offers, too, but all it takes is one bonehead to accept one of them, and the guy making the offer is suddenly very smart.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Methinks some people need to stop being insulted so easily and just relax.

Maybe the owner was just trying to start dialogue. Maybe he's really bad at FF, and thought it was equal value.

If it's the first, then send an offer back. Tell him what you really want.

If it's the second, and you don't know how to exploit it, you need to learn. Quickly.

 

[Birdie048]

I get offers like this in my league because some owners look at "Current" Production (Week 1 Points Scored) as their current REAL Value, not their overall value.

I had a S McDonald/ R Curry offer for L Evans / D Foster.

Not that their Week 1 performance was an indication of their true value, some owners look at this as Fair!

Not me, but I have seen it and had discussion on it. Narrow minded owners IMO.

 

[pghrob]

I offer some trades for other reasons. I see an owner has a high number of bye weeks falling on the same week and will try to offer a player(s) to alleviate the headache that owner has. Some guys are so bad at managing bye weeks that they risk a loss. Offering a trade to relieve that bye week hassle allows them to avoid a loss or having to make a hard personnel decision while still getting something worthwhile. Often, I may offer slightly less in terms of player value and stress that it may be better than a loss, particularly if the loss is against one of their divisional rivals.

 

[Brides Maids]

Why is that I have recieved three trade offers in the past couple days where someone was trying to trade a guy fresh off the waiver wire and someone they drafted 13th round for one of my early round picks?Delhomme and Shaun McDonald for Boldin?? or how about this one... Derrick Ward and Brett Favre for Maroney?? Do people honestly think someone is going to make that trade? Help me out because I don't understand. Would something like this make you less likely to deal with that person later? Maybe it just annoys me more than it should.

Possibly they think that someone is going to have some kind of week 1 knee jerk reaction so they are offering those kind of trades to everyone. It seem like they targeted guys that had somewhat sub-par weeks last week.I don't think that they are trying to be insulting perhaps they are just showing their own inexperience as well.....who knows I wouldn't get mad about it I would just string them along and just keep them guessing it may mess up some other deal they have working if they have to hold off because they think you are seriously considering the trade.From their point of view if they offer those kinds of deals 20 times and get one to accept it was worth it. Last year I traded St Louis's D(who I had just picked up off of waivers) and Dunn after a particularly good week 2 for STL D for Chicago's TD. I knew the guy was a big STL homer but I still didn't think he would accept it. He did and that trade was instrumental in getting me 2nd place in the league with top points for the year overall.String him along, that was the thing that would piss me off the most when I was trying to make a deal like that because then the guy has to wait for your decision and like I said he probably has other deals on the burner that you could influence!!

 

[Plainsman]

I am a huge trader year in and year out. While I do get some BAD offers now and then, I prefer to at least have SOME dialogue then none. I hate sending offers out or even trying to begin discussions and hearing crickets at the other end. Just look at these bad offers as the beginning of discussions. Let him/her know that he's not in the ballpark and then you adjust the deal. Don't cut off discussions unless the horrendous offers keep coming and you begin to think there's something mentally wrong with the owner.

This is a very good post.That said this owner seems to be high on Boldin (or else he wouldnt be trying to steal him from you). Personally, I dont think Boldin will live up to his ADP (dont trust the Cards passing game this year). Therefore, I would act on this dudes interest and try to sell him for the value relative to his ADP.Lastly, as someone said before, it pisses me off too when people are unwilling to part with players because they drafted him in X round.

 

[pghrob]

It may be that there are more and more sharks and less and less guppies.

 

[Keys Myaths]

I get offers like this in my league because some owners look at "Current" Production (Week 1 Points Scored) as their current REAL Value, not their overall value. I had a S McDonald/ R Curry offer for L Evans / D Foster. Not that their Week 1 performance was an indication of their true value, some owners look at this as Fair! Not me, but I have seen it and had discussion on it. Narrow minded owners IMO.

Again, please stop posting and go take advantage of it before it's too late.

 

[StrikeS2k]

This is why ALL trades should be voted on over the course of a week by all owners in the league. That's the only way to ensure fairness and that noone is taken advantage of.

 

[lfh3]

Just look at these bad offers as the beginning of discussions. Let him/her know that he's not in the ballpark and then you adjust the deal. Don't cut off discussions unless the horrendous offers keep coming and you begin to think there's something mentally wrong with the owner.

Like Shiggy Shoal says, use this as an opportunity to open discussions. I don't know about the rest of you, but when I make trade offers, they are always in my favor, though I do try to come close to fair. If the other owner, accepts my offer, great, but I usually anticipate a rejection/counter-offer.

 

[jturner01]

It is all negotiations. You do not start out with your best offer. If you do where else can you go ? Maybe they are interested and you can exploit them with a higher offer than you are expecting to get. If he is not game, then meet in the middle. the trick is not to get too angry about an offer, even if they are ridiculous.

 

[Ghost Rider]

This is why ALL trades should be voted on over the course of a week by all owners in the league. That's the only way to ensure fairness and that noone is taken advantage of.

The problem with that, though, is some owners will vote down fair trades, simply because they might be scared of a trade that makes a particular team stronger and thus more difficult to beat.

 

[gurp13]

On the subject of bad trading/bad owners: I recently had a trade offer that I thought was pretty lopsided against me. So, I broke it down showing how statistically the players weren't equivalent and the trade wasn't favorable at all for me. I countered with a suggested trade. The guy ignored me and went on the league message board and blasted me for writing a "dissertation" instead of just saying no. That's pretty hard to deal with. You try to be respectful and reasonable and get called a ****sucker for it.

 

[Shiggy Shaol]

On the subject of bad trading/bad owners: I recently had a trade offer that I thought was pretty lopsided against me. So, I broke it down showing how statistically the players weren't equivalent and the trade wasn't favorable at all for me. I countered with a suggested trade. The guy ignored me and went on the league message board and blasted me for writing a "dissertation" instead of just saying no. That's pretty hard to deal with. You try to be respectful and reasonable and get called a ****sucker for it.

THAT is a guy that you stop dealing with. There's really no need to get bitter over trade discussions. Let's keep some perspective here.

 

[Avery]

Not that I believe that Delhomme and McDonald for Boldin is a good offer, but on the other side of the coin, I find it irritating when leaguemates base trade value on where a player was drafted. Once the draft is over, a players value is a players value. If you draft a player in round 2 who under-performs it doesn't mean that he has more value because he is a round 2 pick, and if you draft a player late who "explodes" it doesn't mean that he has less value becuase he was drafted in round 15.

For example, in most leagues Driver was drafted before Randy Moss, but who has more value?

 

[barndog]

Gotta keep in mind that we're all being emailed the "Buy LOW/Sell HIGH" propaganda every week. Not too surprising that someone thinks, "Yeah, I ought to try to sell Curry high"....

 

[Keys Myaths]

For example, in most leagues Driver was drafted before Randy Moss, but who has more value?

Probably still DD.

 

[Caesar]

For example, in most leagues Driver was drafted before Randy Moss, but who has more value?

Probably still DD.

 

[Sweeper]

Why is that I have recieved three trade offers in the past couple days where someone was trying to trade a guy fresh off the waiver wire and someone they drafted 13th round for one of my early round picks?Delhomme and Shaun McDonald for Boldin?? or how about this one... Derrick Ward and Brett Favre for Maroney?? Do people honestly think someone is going to make that trade? Help me out because I don't understand. Would something like this make you less likely to deal with that person later? Maybe it just annoys me more than it should.

Consider it a starting point. I try not to do nothing in response to a trade offer so I might counter with something like ... Give up NO Saints D/St & Trent Green for LT I have no problem sending a message that their offer was insulting and if they want to talk seriously about a trade, let me know.

 

[ctdub]

Well the Dekhomme Shaun McDonald is silly in most cases. But what if your 2 qbs were Eli and Pennington and there was nothing on the waiver wire?

I've tried to take advantage of the Jacobs, Manning and Chester Taylor injuries this week by packaging some mid tier guys for a Top 10, but no luck. I don't expect to make the trade happen, but I do like to get info out there that I'm willing to deal.

 

[Pipes]

Not that I believe that Delhomme and McDonald for Boldin is a good offer, but on the other side of the coin, I find it irritating when leaguemates base trade value on where a player was drafted. Once the draft is over, a players value is a players value. If you draft a player in round 2 who under-performs it doesn't mean that he has more value because he is a round 2 pick, and if you draft a player late who "explodes" it doesn't mean that he has less value becuase he was drafted in round 15.For example, in most leagues Driver was drafted before Randy Moss, but who has more value?

Yeah but it's still only week 2...a little early to bail on high draft picks and probably a little too early to see what late round/waiver wire picks are going to emerge.To me there's a fine line between getting discussions going and offering someone crap. From my perspective the offeror is going to get the short end of the stick. I drafted these guys for a reason...I really don't want to trade them so the offer better be good. On the flip side if there's someone out there I really want then I expect to pay alot for him.I just don't get the complete #### lowball offer to get things rolling...and that's exactly what Delhomme/McDonald for Boldin is.

 

[mad sweeney]

I'm getting all kinds of silly offers for Portis, I think the last one was Julius Jones and Greg Jennings. I tried to make some trades for him before the season started because I have bye week issues but now it's just ridiculous.

I was also getting offers of me giving up Bears/Holt/Bush/Addai for Steelers/Coles/Betts/SJax and other similar lopsided offers. I don't know if it's inexperienced guys trying to hit a home run or if it's someone trying to take advantage of a newbie. But in this league (which is actually 4 separate leagues that have a multi-league playoff) I won my division in one league and my whole league in the other (plus missed out on ubercampionship by less than 3 points) I doubt they think I'm a newbie.

Point is, why not try to get something for nothing. If it works then it works, if not there's no loss to you.

 

[Sweeper]

Not that I believe that Delhomme and McDonald for Boldin is a good offer, but on the other side of the coin, I find it irritating when leaguemates base trade value on where a player was drafted. Once the draft is over, a players value is a players value. If you draft a player in round 2 who under-performs it doesn't mean that he has more value because he is a round 2 pick, and if you draft a player late who "explodes" it doesn't mean that he has less value becuase he was drafted in round 15.

For example, in most leagues Driver was drafted before Randy Moss, but who has more value?

After week one and week one only? Things don't change that much.A particular player's value might change a bit, like Randy ... his value might fluctuate by a couple of rounds but after a single week and one good game NO player is going to go from waiver wire pickup to fair compensation for a 1st or 2nd round pick. It's just not gonna happen.

 

[Ghost Rider]

On the subject of bad trading/bad owners: I recently had a trade offer that I thought was pretty lopsided against me. So, I broke it down showing how statistically the players weren't equivalent and the trade wasn't favorable at all for me. I countered with a suggested trade. The guy ignored me and went on the league message board and blasted me for writing a "dissertation" instead of just saying no. That's pretty hard to deal with. You try to be respectful and reasonable and get called a ****sucker for it.

You should have responded on that message board by making a counteroffer that was heavily lopsided in your favor.

 

[Peter_Griffin]

Let's take the way back machine to 2003 and that waiver pick was Boldin. I'm not saying Ward is that guy but if he is then the trade makes sense. The biggest problem a lot of fantasy players have is letting go of the "I drafted him in X round" mentality.

The hardest part though is guessing who will be this year's BoldinAny trade talk is good trade talk in my opinion. Just say no to the BS offers and try to work something more manageable.

 

[Avery]

For example, in most leagues Driver was drafted before Randy Moss, but who has more value?

Probably still DD.

OK.Maybe not an example that suits your tastes but I'm trying to make a general point here.Does Chester Taylor vs. Chris Brown make it clearer?

 

[Keys Myaths]

For example, in most leagues Driver was drafted before Randy Moss, but who has more value?

Probably still DD.

If you're going to totally revamp against one week's production:Randy Moss: 7/129/1Donald Driver: 5/48/0This is their comparative stats when facing the same team (Arizona) last year.One game doesn't make a season. In the last two years, Driver is 178/2516/13, while Moss is 102/1558/8. It's going to take more than one game for me to put Moss over Driver. They're obviously a lot closer now, but I'd still rather have Driver.I'm sure this will be bumped every time Moss outperforms Driver, and forgotten when he doesn't. But, either way, my point still stands. If you're not going to overreact when someone underperforms in Week 1, you can't overreact when they blow up, either. There's been too many players with crazy/fantastic Week 1s in history that haven't done anything.Let's see him over 3-4 games before we anoint him top 5-10, shall we?

 

[Keys Myaths]

For example, in most leagues Driver was drafted before Randy Moss, but who has more value?

Probably still DD.

OK.Maybe not an example that suits your tastes but I'm trying to make a general point here.Does Chester Taylor vs. Chris Brown make it clearer?

Yes, but my argument is that the examples after Week 1 are still pretty rare. You're going to find random ones like the above, but you need 2-3 weeks before completely revamping. I was trying to make a general point, as well.

 

[Ghost Rider]

For example, in most leagues Driver was drafted before Randy Moss, but who has more value?

Probably still DD.

OK.Maybe not an example that suits your tastes but I'm trying to make a general point here.Does Chester Taylor vs. Chris Brown make it clearer?

Nah, because Brown is not a proven performer. Moss is, when he is on a team that is at least good.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

It is all negotiations. You do not start out with your best offer. If you do where else can you go ? Maybe they are interested and you can exploit them with a higher offer than you are expecting to get. If he is not game, then meet in the middle. the trick is not to get too angry about an offer, even if they are ridiculous.

A smart person truly interested in negotiating does not start the negotiations at the rape level.

 

[NoCheese]

Same thing happened today. I was offered Derrick Ward (fresh off the wire and I don't even have Brandon Jacobs) for "my choice" of Javon, Reggie Wayne, or Burress. Sweet!!! Should I do it?

 

[Caesar]

It is all negotiations. You do not start out with your best offer. If you do where else can you go ? Maybe they are interested and you can exploit them with a higher offer than you are expecting to get. If he is not game, then meet in the middle. the trick is not to get too angry about an offer, even if they are ridiculous.

I am not pissed about it. If it had been one offer a week in one league or another, but three offers in two days in three different leagues is the reason for the question. I have never been much of a trader, especially in the first few weeks of the season. I draft guys for a reason. I agree 100% that a guys value is based on performance and not the round drafted, but after one week of the season, how much has the value changed barring injury? When it comes to trading, I only look at value going forward and how it improves my team. I offer trades on how I see it helping their team as well, and sometimes they don't value people the same as me. At least, I try to make it fair.

 

[Avery]

For example, in most leagues Driver was drafted before Randy Moss, but who has more value?

Probably still DD.

OK.Maybe not an example that suits your tastes but I'm trying to make a general point here.Does Chester Taylor vs. Chris Brown make it clearer?

Yes, but my argument is that the examples after Week 1 are still pretty rare. You're going to find random ones like the above, but you need 2-3 weeks before completely revamping. I was trying to make a general point, as well.

I agree with your general point of not panicking after one week, but things get shuffled and realities can change quickly in the NFL.The difficult part is separating the abberations from the new realities.To use another example, before week 1, many believed that it was just talk in Arizona when they asserted that they would rely heavily on the run. After week one it seems to be a reality and I'd already bump up James' value and bump down Leinert, Boldin and Fitz. You may believe this is an abberation due to maybe first week juitters or a stronger than expected 49er pass D and want to hold for a few weeks. I believe that this is a reality and would look to trade Boldin or Fitz if I could get good value in return.

 

[Caesar]

For example, in most leagues Driver was drafted before Randy Moss, but who has more value?

Probably still DD.

If you're going to totally revamp against one week's production:Randy Moss: 7/129/1Donald Driver: 5/48/0This is their comparative stats when facing the same team (Arizona) last year.One game doesn't make a season. In the last two years, Driver is 178/2516/13, while Moss is 102/1558/8. It's going to take more than one game for me to put Moss over Driver. They're obviously a lot closer now, but I'd still rather have Driver.I'm sure this will be bumped every time Moss outperforms Driver, and forgotten when he doesn't. But, either way, my point still stands. If you're not going to overreact when someone underperforms in Week 1, you can't overreact when they blow up, either. There's been too many players with crazy/fantastic Week 1s in history that haven't done anything.Let's see him over 3-4 games before we anoint him top 5-10, shall we?

I agree. I was just laughing at the way it looked.

 

[Keys Myaths]

For example, in most leagues Driver was drafted before Randy Moss, but who has more value?

Probably still DD.

If you're going to totally revamp against one week's production:Randy Moss: 7/129/1Donald Driver: 5/48/0This is their comparative stats when facing the same team (Arizona) last year.One game doesn't make a season. In the last two years, Driver is 178/2516/13, while Moss is 102/1558/8. It's going to take more than one game for me to put Moss over Driver. They're obviously a lot closer now, but I'd still rather have Driver.I'm sure this will be bumped every time Moss outperforms Driver, and forgotten when he doesn't. But, either way, my point still stands. If you're not going to overreact when someone underperforms in Week 1, you can't overreact when they blow up, either. There's been too many players with crazy/fantastic Week 1s in history that haven't done anything.Let's see him over 3-4 games before we anoint him top 5-10, shall we?

I agree. I was just laughing at the way it looked.

Pretty sure I'm dumb and can't interpret correctly.I need a PM every time you reply to one of my posts with a full explanation.TIA.

 

[Phurfur]

Methinks some people need to stop being insulted so easily and just relax.

Maybe the owner was just trying to start dialogue. Maybe he's really bad at FF, and thought it was equal value.

If it's the first, then send an offer back. Tell him what you really want.

If it's the second, and you don't know how to exploit it, you need to learn. Quickly.

I disagree, offers like this are a waste of time and I don't respond to them. (I usually don't reject them I just let them hang)You are being low balled and are starting at a disadvantage. I realize some of you like this interaction but I don't. Make me a realistic offer and I will counter.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Methinks some people need to stop being insulted so easily and just relax.

Maybe the owner was just trying to start dialogue. Maybe he's really bad at FF, and thought it was equal value.

If it's the first, then send an offer back. Tell him what you really want.

If it's the second, and you don't know how to exploit it, you need to learn. Quickly.

I disagree, offers like this are a waste of time and I don't respond to them.

Your loss. You realize that for every trade partner you shut off, the more value your team loses, right?I'm not saying that's bad. It's your team. But, it's a fact.

 

[Sleeper 43]

Why is that I have recieved three trade offers in the past couple days where someone was trying to trade a guy fresh off the waiver wire and someone they drafted 13th round for one of my early round picks?Delhomme and Shaun McDonald for Boldin?? or how about this one... Derrick Ward and Brett Favre for Maroney?? Do people honestly think someone is going to make that trade? Help me out because I don't understand. Would something like this make you less likely to deal with that person later? Maybe it just annoys me more than it should.

Those are bad trade offers you got no doubt BUT you have to think last year Colston was a waiver wire guy people traded quickly and it bit them in the ###Sometimes it goes both ways.

 

[pghrob]

Why is that I have recieved three trade offers in the past couple days where someone was trying to trade a guy fresh off the waiver wire and someone they drafted 13th round for one of my early round picks?Delhomme and Shaun McDonald for Boldin?? or how about this one... Derrick Ward and Brett Favre for Maroney?? Do people honestly think someone is going to make that trade? Help me out because I don't understand. Would something like this make you less likely to deal with that person later? Maybe it just annoys me more than it should.

Those are bad trade offers you got no doubt BUT you have to think last year Colston was a waiver wire guy people traded quickly and it bit them in the ###Sometimes it goes both ways.

 

[JohnnyU]

This is why ALL trades should be voted on over the course of a week by all owners in the league. That's the only way to ensure fairness and that noone is taken advantage of.

The problem with that, though, is some owners will vote down fair trades, simply because they might be scared of a trade that makes a particular team stronger and thus more difficult to beat.

He had to have been joking. If he wasn't, then I'm speechless.

 

[Caesar]

Why is that I have recieved three trade offers in the past couple days where someone was trying to trade a guy fresh off the waiver wire and someone they drafted 13th round for one of my early round picks?Delhomme and Shaun McDonald for Boldin?? or how about this one... Derrick Ward and Brett Favre for Maroney?? Do people honestly think someone is going to make that trade? Help me out because I don't understand. Would something like this make you less likely to deal with that person later? Maybe it just annoys me more than it should.

Those are bad trade offers you got no doubt BUT you have to think last year Colston was a waiver wire guy people traded quickly and it bit them in the ###Sometimes it goes both ways.

Point taken

 

[Shiggy Shaol]

Bottom line - you have nothing to gain from shutting down talks with any owner in your league. If you don't like the offer, tell him why. You don't have to write a diatribe in response, but let him know. If you feel like countering it, then do so.

At some point in the season, there's a high likelihood that the owner could really use a player from a position that you have excess of and vice versa. That's when he can be of use to you and the dealings may go easier. But blackballing him prevents this.

 

[Ace Matherton]

LOL

I just got this one

My Chad Johnson + VD + R Brown for His A Peterson, M Muhammed, G Olsen

He called me an idiot for not taking the deal...... Said Peterson alone should have been enough but he threw in the other players because the site wont let unbalanced trades go through. I told him he might want to look up unbalanced in the dictionary and look at the trade again.

 

[Keys Myaths]

LOL I just got this oneMy Chad Johnson + VD + R Brown for His A Peterson, M Muhammed, G OlsenHe called me an idiot for not taking the deal...... Said Peterson alone should have been enough but he threw in the other players because the site wont let unbalanced trades go through. I told him he might want to look up unbalanced in the dictionary and look at the trade again.

This isn't bad at all. If you somehow assumed Peterson would be starting for the rest of the year, with that offensive line/coaching scheme/talent, you'd probably be stupid not to take this trade.