Why do people do this? (1 Viewer)

[az_prof]

I hate when people make lopsided trade offers, too, but all it takes is one bonehead to accept one of them, and the guy making the offer is suddenly very smart.

Exactly. I never used to offer trades like this but then I see them being accepted and I think..."sheesh, i could have offered X and he is better than the player who was accepted." So, you make an offer. It's hard to know how other people value your players. Ward and Favre for Boldin is not that far out there IMO although I wouldn't do it unless I really, really needed a RB. You may have had a chance to get him with BBID, but how does he know you didn't try and he just bid a bit more?

 

[az_prof]

Same thing happened today. I was offered Derrick Ward (fresh off the wire and I don't even have Brandon Jacobs) for "my choice" of Javon, Reggie Wayne, or Burress. Sweet!!! Should I do it?

If you need a RB I would trade Burress. You think he is going to put up 40 points every week? Guy barely made it healthy to week 1 and it was off season.

 

[Shiggy Shaol]

Same thing happened today. I was offered Derrick Ward (fresh off the wire and I don't even have Brandon Jacobs) for "my choice" of Javon, Reggie Wayne, or Burress. Sweet!!! Should I do it?

If you need a RB I would trade Burress. You think he is going to put up 40 points every week? Guy barely made it healthy to week 1 and it was off season.

That's fine, if that's what you think, but not for Derrick Ward. Common sense, no?

 

[Demons]

I have countered a bad offer with an offer I thought might insult the other owner, only to have him accept. Use the opening offer constructively and build off of it.

 

[Demons]

Same thing happened today. I was offered Derrick Ward (fresh off the wire and I don't even have Brandon Jacobs) for "my choice" of Javon, Reggie Wayne, or Burress. Sweet!!! Should I do it?

If you need a RB I would trade Burress. You think he is going to put up 40 points every week? Guy barely made it healthy to week 1 and it was off season.

That's fine, if that's what you think, but not for Derrick Ward. Common sense, no?

I would want a little extra sugar on top of the deal, but giving Plax for a lottery ticket RB may not be all bad. I would counter with Plax for Ward and something more.

 

[anguskahn]

Why is that I have recieved three trade offers in the past couple days where someone was trying to trade a guy fresh off the waiver wire and someone they drafted 13th round for one of my early round picks?Delhomme and Shaun McDonald for Boldin?? or how about this one... Derrick Ward and Brett Favre for Maroney?? Do people honestly think someone is going to make that trade? Help me out because I don't understand. Would something like this make you less likely to deal with that person later? Maybe it just annoys me more than it should.

Best strategy is to use their greed against them. What you do is not accept or decline. Then if maroney gets injured you immediatley run to your computer and accept the trade. If he's going to try to screw you he openes the door for you to screw him.

 

[Brides Maids]

LOL I just got this oneMy Chad Johnson + VD + R Brown for His A Peterson, M Muhammed, G OlsenHe called me an idiot for not taking the deal...... Said Peterson alone should have been enough but he threw in the other players because the site wont let unbalanced trades go through. I told him he might want to look up unbalanced in the dictionary and look at the trade again.

Is that Vernon Davis of Venereal Disease?

 

[ctdub]

Why is that I have recieved three trade offers in the past couple days where someone was trying to trade a guy fresh off the waiver wire and someone they drafted 13th round for one of my early round picks?Delhomme and Shaun McDonald for Boldin?? or how about this one... Derrick Ward and Brett Favre for Maroney?? Do people honestly think someone is going to make that trade? Help me out because I don't understand. Would something like this make you less likely to deal with that person later? Maybe it just annoys me more than it should.

Best strategy is to use their greed against them. What you do is not accept or decline. Then if maroney gets injured you immediatley run to your computer and accept the trade. If he's going to try to screw you he openes the door for you to screw him.

Good point. As an offerer I always rescind my un acted upon offers prior to sunday for fear of this.

 

[cstu]

Methinks some people need to stop being insulted so easily and just relax.Maybe the owner was just trying to start dialogue. Maybe he's really bad at FF, and thought it was equal value.If it's the first, then send an offer back. Tell him what you really want.If it's the second, and you don't know how to exploit it, you need to learn. Quickly.

You mean like my offer (dynasty) of Kellen Clemens for Mike Vick (a week before he was convicted)? I was offering a guy who I thought would be starting by next year for a guy whose career might be over and the reaction was

 

[cstu]

LOL I just got this oneMy Chad Johnson + VD + R Brown for His A Peterson, M Muhammed, G OlsenHe called me an idiot for not taking the deal...... Said Peterson alone should have been enough but he threw in the other players because the site wont let unbalanced trades go through. I told him he might want to look up unbalanced in the dictionary and look at the trade again.

This isn't bad at all. If you somehow assumed Peterson would be starting for the rest of the year, with that offensive line/coaching scheme/talent, you'd probably be stupid not to take this trade.

This is typical of the over-valuing people do of their own players, despite the fact that they are willing to trade them. If AP was so valuable he wouldn't be looking to move him.

 

[jturner01]

This is why ALL trades should be voted on over the course of a week by all owners in the league. That's the only way to ensure fairness and that noone is taken advantage of.

The problem with that, though, is some owners will vote down fair trades, simply because they might be scared of a trade that makes a particular team stronger and thus more difficult to beat.

He had to have been joking. If he wasn't, then I'm speechless.

Doubt it, happened to me last year. I was in 1st place undefeated and I was offering Gore and some wr 3 for Dunn and Fitz. The league voted it down. The guy needed running back help in the worst way too. so yeah it does happen.

 

[ctdub]

LOL I just got this oneMy Chad Johnson + VD + R Brown for His A Peterson, M Muhammed, G OlsenHe called me an idiot for not taking the deal...... Said Peterson alone should have been enough but he threw in the other players because the site wont let unbalanced trades go through. I told him he might want to look up unbalanced in the dictionary and look at the trade again.

This isn't bad at all. If you somehow assumed Peterson would be starting for the rest of the year, with that offensive line/coaching scheme/talent, you'd probably be stupid not to take this trade.

This is typical of the over-valuing people do of their own players, despite the fact that they are willing to trade them. If AP was so valuable he wouldn't be looking to move him.

What am I missing here? This trade is horribly lopsided right?Chad Johnson > Muhamed (not even close)Ronnie Brown- Adrian Peterson pushVernon Davis > Olsen (one is the starter and the other is #2 on his team and injured). Now if this is Dynasty league then I take back what I am saying and the trade becomes more equal in my eyes.

 

[LionsFan78]

Methinks some people need to stop being insulted so easily and just relax.Maybe the owner was just trying to start dialogue. Maybe he's really bad at FF, and thought it was equal value.If it's the first, then send an offer back. Tell him what you really want.If it's the second, and you don't know how to exploit it, you need to learn. Quickly.

Perfectly stated.Someone above said something key. It's better to actually have offers to use as a starting point than a league where nobody is active. I made the mistake of ripping somebody very hard once for trying to lowball me. Maybe he just caught me on a bad day, but I just got fed up with the constant emails trying to convince me why "his deal helps my team sooooo much, blah blah". Anyways, he took it very personally, and we've never dealt with each other again because of it. I always try to be reasonable now with any offer, however ridiculous it is, it just makes future deals easier to reach.

 

[jturner01]

I have countered a bad offer with an offer I thought might insult the other owner, only to have him accept. Use the opening offer constructively and build off of it.

Exactly!! I do the same thing and have gotten some great deals, alot of time the other owner does not really know what the hell they are doing and see one weeks production and asume that is the real worth.

 

[Daywalker]

Methinks some people need to stop being insulted so easily and just relax.

Maybe the owner was just trying to start dialogue. Maybe he's really bad at FF, and thought it was equal value.

If it's the first, then send an offer back. Tell him what you really want.

If it's the second, and you don't know how to exploit it, you need to learn. Quickly.

I disagree, offers like this are a waste of time and I don't respond to them. (I usually don't reject them I just let them hang)You are being low balled and are starting at a disadvantage. I realize some of you like this interaction but I don't. Make me a realistic offer and I will counter.

They are not a waste of time. At the very least you have gained some knowledge about what players on your team another owner is interested in. Maybe he's higher on some of your players then you are. Maybe he's low on some of his own players that you might have interest in.

 

[jturner01]

It is all negotiations. You do not start out with your best offer. If you do where else can you go ? Maybe they are interested and you can exploit them with a higher offer than you are expecting to get. If he is not game, then meet in the middle. the trick is not to get too angry about an offer, even if they are ridiculous.

A smart person truly interested in negotiating does not start the negotiations at the rape level.

It is just a starting point that is all. if you get all bent out of shape about a lowball offer then you probably won't be getting to many offers anyway.

 

[Cunk]

I always get this sort of offers. Why bother? In the leagues I'm in you are not going to catch anyone sleeping or be willing to dump someone because they had 1 off week. So I don't even bother to try to do this sort of thing. When I offer something I look at the teams and see a team or teams who are strong in one area and who may be willing to part with someone for someone who will strengthen them where they are weak.

I may not even get a completely balanced trade in my favor but if it strengthens a weak position of mine while not hurting me in the area of the player who was just traded then I am ahead.

 

[yabahos]

Methinks some people need to stop being insulted so easily and just relax.Maybe the owner was just trying to start dialogue. Maybe he's really bad at FF, and thought it was equal value.If it's the first, then send an offer back. Tell him what you really want.If it's the second, and you don't know how to exploit it, you need to learn. Quickly.

I disagree, offers like this are a waste of time and I don't respond to them. (I usually don't reject them I just let them hang)You are being low balled and are starting at a disadvantage. I realize some of you like this interaction but I don't. Make me a realistic offer and I will counter.

First unless you return every owner - every season - its tough to know what your version of fair is. People can't read minds. Even if you've been in a league with similiar owners over time - people change. I have yet to see a trade go through in my leagues over the past four years where at least one owner wasn't saying - "I would have offered you X,Y and Z for those guys. You got hosed." We break down trades and give people crap about their roster moves all the times. Its part of the fun of FF.Also someone has start the dialogue. If the guy is looking to make a move and the offers aren't pouring in he's got to be proactive. Making the first offer is always the hardest. Think about it - you want something but don't want to pay the minimum price for it - or at least that is how a shark thinks. So now how do you get it. You aren't able to guage the other person until you get a response plain and simple.Why do people have such a hard time - just decline the offer and counter or say that you aren't interested in moving the players. If the guy is coming to you it is an advantage. You know the people that he really wants and you can probably look at his team and figure out why he wants to do it. If he's got something you are interested in then make a counter.

 

[Black]

I like all trade offers, especially the funny ones. If they are that clueless, then you have a great opportunity. Look at what they want on your roster, and then go after what you want on theirs.

If you are offended easily, then just counter with something equally as preposterous...and then play dumb(er).

 

[yabahos]

This is why ALL trades should be voted on over the course of a week by all owners in the league. That's the only way to ensure fairness and that noone is taken advantage of.

The problem with that, though, is some owners will vote down fair trades, simply because they might be scared of a trade that makes a particular team stronger and thus more difficult to beat.

He had to have been joking. If he wasn't, then I'm speechless.

Doubt it, happened to me last year. I was in 1st place undefeated and I was offering Gore and some wr 3 for Dunn and Fitz. The league voted it down. The guy needed running back help in the worst way too. so yeah it does happen.

The problem with voting on trades is that a trade doesn't just effect the two teams involved. It effects divisions, playoff races, etc. People also have a tendancy to look at a trade and think - I could have offered something better. Or this trade sucks for my team because now I have to face Peyton again. I've also seen the revenge angle come in to play on a few occassions."So and so vetoed my trade so I'm vetoing every thing he puts through."I much prefer a good commissioner and a league minimum on complaints about a trade. Things just seem to go smoother and under this system I've never seen any trade that enough people complained about to cause a stir.

 

[shredhead]

Why is that I have recieved three trade offers in the past couple days where someone was trying to trade a guy fresh off the waiver wire and someone they drafted 13th round for one of my early round picks?Delhomme and Shaun McDonald for Boldin?? or how about this one... Derrick Ward and Brett Favre for Maroney?? Do people honestly think someone is going to make that trade? Help me out because I don't understand. Would something like this make you less likely to deal with that person later? Maybe it just annoys me more than it should.

Best strategy is to use their greed against them. What you do is not accept or decline. Then if maroney gets injured you immediatley run to your computer and accept the trade. If he's going to try to screw you he openes the door for you to screw him.

Good point. As an offerer I always rescind my un acted upon offers prior to sunday for fear of this.

 

[Blood Farmer]

Why is that I have recieved three trade offers in the past couple days where someone was trying to trade a guy fresh off the waiver wire and someone they drafted 13th round for one of my early round picks?Delhomme and Shaun McDonald for Boldin?? or how about this one... Derrick Ward and Brett Favre for Maroney?? Do people honestly think someone is going to make that trade? Help me out because I don't understand. Would something like this make you less likely to deal with that person later? Maybe it just annoys me more than it should.

The problem isn't that they make these offers to you. The problem is that they make them to others and year after year the same guys send out ridiculous offers and the same teams always take them up on it.

 

[North]

Why is that I have recieved three trade offers in the past couple days where someone was trying to trade a guy fresh off the waiver wire and someone they drafted 13th round for one of my early round picks?Delhomme and Shaun McDonald for Boldin?? or how about this one... Derrick Ward and Brett Favre for Maroney?? Do people honestly think someone is going to make that trade? Help me out because I don't understand. Would something like this make you less likely to deal with that person later? Maybe it just annoys me more than it should.

How about an idiot that offered me Chris Brown and Moss for Chad Johnson and Steven Jackson.His reasoning was that I was getting the better end of the deal with Moss and he was getting a slightly better player in Jackson.

 

[Ace Matherton]

LOL I just got this oneMy Chad Johnson + VD + R Brown for His A Peterson, M Muhammed, G OlsenHe called me an idiot for not taking the deal...... Said Peterson alone should have been enough but he threw in the other players because the site wont let unbalanced trades go through. I told him he might want to look up unbalanced in the dictionary and look at the trade again.

This isn't bad at all. If you somehow assumed Peterson would be starting for the rest of the year, with that offensive line/coaching scheme/talent, you'd probably be stupid not to take this trade.

This is typical of the over-valuing people do of their own players, despite the fact that they are willing to trade them. If AP was so valuable he wouldn't be looking to move him.

What am I missing here? This trade is horribly lopsided right?Chad Johnson > Muhamed (not even close)Ronnie Brown- Adrian Peterson pushVernon Davis > Olsen (one is the starter and the other is #2 on his team and injured). Now if this is Dynasty league then I take back what I am saying and the trade becomes more equal in my eyes.

I sure thought so when it was sent to me. And yes its a redraft.

 

[BusterTBronco]

i'm not sure why people would try this, it is rather insulting.

They try it because there are idiots out there who will actually bite on these offers.I was in a league two years ago where a guy traded away Marvin Harrison for Mewelde Moore and the Colts defense.