DocT is right. Colston's camp allowed the Saints to feel comfortable trading Stallworth.Would love to see the threads. They must have been removed because I searched and couldn't find any...Yes, pretty highly.He was ?
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Why do people rate Schaub as a good QB (1 Viewer)
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Sidewinder
Footballguy
Ok, maybe semantics, but "really hyped" vs "many threads talked about him" are two totally different things. Heck, most of them are questioning whether he was really going to be the WR2 or was Henderson a better option. Not to mention, many brushed off the possibility of the Saints WR2 being worth much of anything anyways...uh, here we go:http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...=262593&hl=Would love to see the threads. They must have been removed because I searched and couldn't find any...Yes, pretty highly.He was ?
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...=265898&hl=
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...=263138&hl=
There is tons of info, this was a very quick search I did. Many threads talked about him before season started.
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
How many examples are there of guys with that type of resume getting traded for this type of deal? Let's have em'.
ericttspikes
Footballguy
I have no doubt coaches think he's able to start in the NFL. They thought that about Carr too. I don't think anybody can call the guy a future bust at this point, BUT this deal is a head scratcher. To me, two high 2nds is a lot for this guy. It's a roll of the dice, one worth taking if he can become the franchise QB Carr couldn't develop into. This is the same coaching staff who not only thought Carr was the answer last year and gave him an extension, but also passed on hometown hero Vince Young. Coaches and scouts can obviously be wrong, the Texans have already proved that.finally some sanity.
ericttspikes
Footballguy
I've heard Hasselbeck comparisons about Schaub, which may prove true, but I don't see it. Hasselbeck came into GB surrounded by incredible coaches who were proven to develop QBs like Reid and Holmgren. He had one of the best QBs ever to play the game as a mentor. He was in a good situation. Schaub was backing up one of the most unconventional QBs ever to play the game with a coaching staff who isn't known for developing young QBs, period. I really can't think of any QB the franchise has ever developed. They still haven't figured out what to do with Vick. Now he is going to a poor team that wasn't able to develop Carr. If I'm another team, I'd rather pay a 3rd for Carr than two 2nds for Schaub.
ericttspikes
Footballguy
The dude just inked 6 years $48 million per ESPN.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2808100
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2808100
cstu
Footballguy
I think Scott Mitchell was a free agent. Rob Johnson was traded for a 1st (Fred Taylor) who actually was a pretty good QB other than his propensity to get sacked (makes Carr look like an escape artist in comparison).On the other hand, Brunell was traded from the Packers for a 3rd and 5th, having had less experience than Schaub.
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
You could look at it that way, or you could argue that a franchise QB is such a rare and valuable commodity that just mere potential will allow a questionable player like Schaub to be overrated by scouts and coaches. These are the same scouts and coaches that frequently miss on players in the draft and free agency, so they may or may not be right about Schaub. His upside looks like Matt Hasselback. His downside is probably A.J. Feely. Atlanta really played the Schaub situation pefectly. They generated a real buzz around this guy that eventually resulted in a nice package of picks. The team that knows the most about this guy is Atlanta and they traded him. You could argue that Vick forced that trade with his contract, but I definitely think Atlanta artificially inflated Schaub's value to get as much as they could in a trade.
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cstu
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The trade that sent Matt Schaub from the Atlanta Falcons to the Houston Texans not only made the three-year veteran quarterback an instant starter, it made Schaub -- who has yet to win a regular-season start and who barely completed 50 percent of his pass attempts in three seasons with the Falcons -- a very rich man.Matt Schaub
Schaub
League and team sources confirmed that Schaub has signed a six-year, $48 million contract with the Texans, a move that officially consummates the trade. As part of the deal, Schaub -- who played golf with Houston coach Gary Kubiak on Monday in a get-acquainted session, the Houston Chronicle reported -- will receive $7 million in guarantees.
Schaub, 25, will earn roughly $20 million in the first three years of the contract.
After the first three years, the Texans must pay Schaub a $10 million option bonus in March 2010 to trigger the final three seasons of the contract, or he becomes a free agent. This is the same Houston team, though, that paid the soon-to-be-discarded David Carr a "buy back" bonus of $8 million last spring to reinstate three years of his contract that had voided.
On Wednesday night, agent Joby Branion termed the Schaub deal "a real contract" -- meaning it was a legitimate deal for a starting-caliber quarterback -- and he was accurate in that assessment.
Certainly the economics of the deal all but mandate that Schaub will be the Texans' starter. And for Schaub, a third-round choice in the 2004 draft, it represents a financial windfall. As a rookie, Schaub signed a three-year, $1.365 million contract. It included a signing bonus of $445,000 and annual base salaries at the NFL minimum.
Had he signed the one-year restricted free agent qualifying offer the Falcons made him early in the spring, Schaub would have had a base salary of $2.3 million for 2007. There was, his agents told ESPN.com more than a year ago, no way that Schaub would have considered a long-term deal that would have carried him past the 2007 season, since he would have been eligible for unrestricted free agency at that point.
Whether Schaub would have been able to earn more by signing a one-year contract with the Falcons for 2007, and then going into the open market as an unrestricted free agent next spring, is now a moot point and a matter of speculation.
Suffice it to say the contract that he signed to complete the Wednesday trade agreement is a healthy one.
As for the Falcons, the trade allows the cap-strapped team to essentially recoup the $2.3 million qualifying offer it made to Schaub and invest that money elsewhere. And the haul the team received in the trade -- a swap of first-round choices in 2007 and second-round picks in the 2007 and 2008 drafts -- provides Atlanta with considerable flexibility.
The Falcons now own three selections among the top 44 picks in this year's draft: the eighth choice in the first round and the seventh and 12th selections in the second stanza. Armed with that kind of ammunition, the Falcons could parlay those three choices to move up the draft board in the first round, perhaps to nab hometown hero Calvin Johnson, the former Georgia Tech wide receiver. Or the Falcons could combine the two second-round picks to acquire another choice near the middle of the first round.
Most teams use a chart, principally developed by former Dallas and Miami coach Jimmy Johnson, that assigns a points value to every choice in the draft. The corresponding points for the eighth pick in the first round is 1,400. The two second-round choices owned by the Falcons are worth 510 points (the seventh choice in the round) and 460 points (the 12th).
The total points value for the Falcons' three choices in the first two rounds is 2,370 points. On the points chart, the second overall choice in the entire draft, owned by Detroit -- which is rumored to be interested in trading back -- is worth 2,600 points. Atlanta would fall a little shy of that, but not by much, with its 2,370 points for the three choices in the first and second rounds.
But the Falcons have more than enough points to trade up to the No. 3 overall pick (points value: 2,200) or the fourth choice (value: 1,800 points), if they desired. By combining the two picks in the second round, with a total value of 970 points, Atlanta could net the 17th overall selection (points value: 950) in the first round.
The early read is that the Falcons, who definitely need to replenish their talent base and desperately require reinforcements at a number of key positions, will simply stand pat and exercise all three of their high-round choices. That should, in theory, net Atlanta three top-tier prospects who could play quickly for first-year coach Bobby Petrino.
But in making the Schaub trade, the Falcons have provided themselves the potential for maneuvering up the draft board if they want, and for being active and creative in the early stages of the lottery.
coolnerd
Footballguy
This is what will get lost in translation....a good amount but less than the commitment they would have for a QB drafted at number 8 overall.
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Traders2001
Footballguy
We could easily ask you the same question why would he be any good , he has nt proven anything so far .Way Way Way overhyped .Schaub = Volek
You do realize that no team ever chose for Volek to be their starter the same way Houston has chosen Schaub? Volek was the starter only because McNair was banged up. Once he was on the open market, no one wanted anything to do with Volek. Tennessee signed and started Kerry Collins over him for the love of jeebus. Volek is a turd, and it was even apparent that he was a turd while he was putting up numbers. The Denver game that year was an exclamation point on the sentence "Billy Volek is not an NFL starting QB".Please tell me more on why you think Schaub = Volek. I have a different equation to offer:Schaub - leadership - smarts - guts - pocket presence + a nice arcing deep ball = VolekTraders2001 said:
You have and it has been answered somewhat thoroughly earlier in this thread.Traders2001 said:
stevegamer
Footballguy
The Hasselbeck situation is NOT comparable.
Mike Holmgren saw Hasselbeck first hand in GB as his head coach after drafting him, then brought him to Seattle. Admittedly it's only a year of first hand experience, with a few years mroe analysis, but seeing aguy in my system every day for a year, gives me a pretty good idea of what he can do.
I don't care how much recommendation a coach gets, that sort of thing is invaluable.
Gibbs' input is very useful, as I'm sure he knows Kubiak's system well, and knows the blocking schemes intimately, but it's not quite the same thing.
I think Schaub is in for a rough patch if the Texans don't improve that line. He may be aware enough to throw the ball away, but they are porous. Schaub's awareness is signifcantly better than Rob Johnson's was, right?
Mike Holmgren saw Hasselbeck first hand in GB as his head coach after drafting him, then brought him to Seattle. Admittedly it's only a year of first hand experience, with a few years mroe analysis, but seeing aguy in my system every day for a year, gives me a pretty good idea of what he can do.
I don't care how much recommendation a coach gets, that sort of thing is invaluable.
Gibbs' input is very useful, as I'm sure he knows Kubiak's system well, and knows the blocking schemes intimately, but it's not quite the same thing.
I think Schaub is in for a rough patch if the Texans don't improve that line. He may be aware enough to throw the ball away, but they are porous. Schaub's awareness is signifcantly better than Rob Johnson's was, right?
Foosball God
Foos
It's the Jake Delhome syndrom
Garts
Footballguy
yea, they got a top 5 pick in Ryans at #33.
kensat30
Footballguy
Even though Schaub has only had a handful of snaps in the NFL as a starter, my impression is that the guy is going to be good just from seeing those few snaps. All of you naysayers out there, did you actually watch those games? I remember me and a couple buddies sitting around the couch and after the game is over debating whether or not the Falcon's would be better off going with Schaub instead of Vick. This guy is clearly one of the up and coming QBs in the league.
Bottomline, just from watching David Carr take a few seasons worth of snaps, I can tell you that Schaub cannot possibly do any worse than Carr. Carr was utter and absolute garbage. Schaub has as much potential as any other QB available out there right now, and that includes Jemarcus Russell and Brady Quinn. This guy has that much more NFL experience than those two guys, and he looked good when he had the chance. That's enough for me.
Personally, I think we are going to see this upcoming season how good Andre Johnson really is and that's all because of Schaub.
Bottomline, just from watching David Carr take a few seasons worth of snaps, I can tell you that Schaub cannot possibly do any worse than Carr. Carr was utter and absolute garbage. Schaub has as much potential as any other QB available out there right now, and that includes Jemarcus Russell and Brady Quinn. This guy has that much more NFL experience than those two guys, and he looked good when he had the chance. That's enough for me.
Personally, I think we are going to see this upcoming season how good Andre Johnson really is and that's all because of Schaub.
dparker713
Footballguy
Thats not accurate. Volek was going to be the starter, then he opened his mouth and Fisher and Co didn't like what they heard. They responded by signing Collins and refusing to play him. And he was shunned as much because of what he said as anything else.
FavreCo
Footballguy
He will make Houston forget the disaster they had at QB previously. You heard that 1st here.
Sheriff66
Footballguy
How will he do that while he's gettting sacked 78 times ?
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Houston upgrade the OL at all in draft or FA?
FavreCo
Footballguy
Doesn't matter. Carr created at least 1/3 of his sacks via his horrid play. Schaub will be fine.
msommer
Footballguy
I hope he can stomach being planted 3-4 times a game (he'll likely create some sack opportunities himself as well - he's not exactly super experienced, you know)
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Ranked awfully low in the first set of FBG rankings - behind Pennington? Ouch! I see Schaub finishing up around #15 - mid 20s ranking is pretty lousy IMO. He has a great QB coach, solid RB, stud WR and decent TE - OL is lousy but so are other QBs that are out there. Why the lack of love?
43 sacks last year, tied with Minnesota for #23 out of 32 teams. Read some of the threads on here about Carr, he was at fault or at least contributed to a number of those sacks due to slow reads, not stepping up in the pocket or not throwing the ball away.2 years ago, the joke among us fans was that Carr's favorite play in the playbook was running out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage because he did it all the time.Sheriff66 said:
