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Why do the Bears hate WRs? (2 Viewers)

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I can't remember the last time we drafted one.

We have a big-armed QB that we paid a mint for, and have never made a serious move to get him a real receiver.

I wake up this morning and read this:

Bears | No interest in Plaxico Burress Tue Jul 26, 01:46 AM

The Chicago Bears have no interest in free-agent WR Plaxico Burress (Giants) based on extensive research done on the veteran prior to Burress going to prison.

Our view: Burress reportedly had the Bears as one of the three teams he wanted to play for this year. His skill set really doesn't mesh with a Mike Martz system. We think there's a good chance Burress ends up back in Pittsburgh for a second stint with the Steelers.

Bears | Chad Ochocinco, Terrell Owens not in plans Tue Jul 26, 01:45 AM

The Chicago Bears do no plan to pursue Cincinnati Bengals WR Chad Ochocinco or free-agent WR Terrell Owens (Bengals).

Our view: The Bears are looking for a true number one WR and want a bigger player at the position. Ochocinco may end up with the Patriots or the Ravens, while Owens may not get signed in camp because of a recent knee surgery.

My heart isn't set on any of these guys, but I know how cheap the McCaskeys are and I don't see them offering up enough to get Holmes, Rice, or even Smith. There is a faint glimmer of hope here...

Bears | Mike Sims-Walker interested in joining team Tue Jul 26, 01:45 AM

Free-agent WR Mike Sims-Walker (Jaguars) said Monday, July 25, that he is interested in joining the Chicago Bears. 'Chicago would be one of the ideal spots for me,' Sims-Walker said. 'With the offensive coordinator (Mike Martz) and QB Jay Cutler, the speedy receivers, the monster defense, and RB Matt Forte in the backfield, I think I can be the missing piece.'

Our view: Sims-Walker needs to stay healthy and play with more consistency if he wants to play up to his potential. His skill set could work in the Mike Martz system and he would be the team's biggest WR.

 
They could cut one of their fifteen crap Safeties and go grab someone. Get Cutler a target you freaking idiots!

 
So the Bears don't want any of the receivers you listed. Big deal. I don't think that's a knock on the Bears so much as it is for those WR's.

 
So the Bears don't want any of the receivers you listed. Big deal. I don't think that's a knock on the Bears so much as it is for those WR's.
:goodposting: If the Bears start the season with the WR's they currently have I would consider it a major oversight. However passing on the 4 WR's you listed is fine in my book.
 
They have to get one of Rice, Steve Smith, or Holmes I am going to be pissed.

But having been a Bears fan for close to three decades I know they will go out and get some player like Brad Smith or Steve Breaston to put a stamp on the position and say they tried.

The last time this team had a 1k receiver was Marty Booker, and I think it was 2004. They have GOT to stop ignoring this position.

 
I think the issue is two-fold. From a recent historic standpoint, they got nothing out of David Terrell and I believe Marcus Robinson fizzled right after they signed him to a good deal. They also refused to sign Berrian and that really paid off, so it validates that thinking. They did draft Knox and Iglesias, but the ladder has done nothing in his time there. Chicago also traded away Marty Booker at the right time, so it is becoming a pattern that when they ignore the position, it works and when they address it, it does not.

Certain teams seem to be snake-bitten at different positions (and it has nothing to do with an individual GM). While Chicago always seems to do the right moves on the defensive side of the ball. The Jets (my team), has an incredible history with their WRs (Walker, Toon, Moore, Mathis, Martin, Chrebet, Keyshawn, Coles, Moss, Cotchery), but we have not had a formidable D-Line since the early-mid 80s and we are still waiting for Namath's replacement.

 
They have to get one of Rice, Steve Smith, or Holmes I am going to be pissed.But having been a Bears fan for close to three decades I know they will go out and get some player like Brad Smith or Steve Breaston to put a stamp on the position and say they tried.The last time this team had a 1k receiver was Marty Booker, and I think it was 2004. They have GOT to stop ignoring this position.
I could see Smith or Holmes in Martz's offense but not so sure about the big, slow guy like Rice.
 
They have to get one of Rice, Steve Smith, or Holmes I am going to be pissed.But having been a Bears fan for close to three decades I know they will go out and get some player like Brad Smith or Steve Breaston to put a stamp on the position and say they tried.The last time this team had a 1k receiver was Marty Booker, and I think it was 2004. They have GOT to stop ignoring this position.
1,000 yards is a nice looking number, but it's just an arbitrary designation. Knox had 960 yards in his second year in the league. He could easily be a 1,000 yard guy this year.
 
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They have to get one of Rice, Steve Smith, or Holmes I am going to be pissed.But having been a Bears fan for close to three decades I know they will go out and get some player like Brad Smith or Steve Breaston to put a stamp on the position and say they tried.The last time this team had a 1k receiver was Marty Booker, and I think it was 2004. They have GOT to stop ignoring this position.
I could see Smith or Holmes in Martz's offense but not so sure about the big, slow guy like Rice.
He didn't look so slow running under Favre's deep balls, or at SC. To me, they haven't had any real success since 85. Getting to the SB and the NFC Championship game is great and all, but they have a team that could make a title run this year, aside from two positions: CB and WR. Now, if it's a matter between a WR and Namdi, I say Namdi all day, but if we don't make that move we have to sign one of the top FAs.I get what you're saying about Tyrell, Robinson, Berrian, all that, but I'm not saying I would be happy if Knox got 1000 yards instead of 960. Fact is, Knox is a one-trick pony, as is Hester, as is Bennett. We need a "do-everything" true WR1. Otherwise signing Cutler was a complete waste of money.
 
have heard stuff about Edwards possibly landing there.....think he would be a nice big target for Cutler that could compliment some of the smaller guys.....good red zone, etc....realize he's not a greatest show on turf kind of guy, but he is big, fast, and can draw attention....

 
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Hell, I wouldn't want any of those WR's either. Can't really fault them there. I certainly wouldn't be willing to be the contracts they would probably want either. :yucky:

 
They have to get one of Rice, Steve Smith, or Holmes I am going to be pissed.But having been a Bears fan for close to three decades I know they will go out and get some player like Brad Smith or Steve Breaston to put a stamp on the position and say they tried.The last time this team had a 1k receiver was Marty Booker, and I think it was 2004. They have GOT to stop ignoring this position.
I could see Smith or Holmes in Martz's offense but not so sure about the big, slow guy like Rice.
He didn't look so slow running under Favre's deep balls, or at SC. To me, they haven't had any real success since 85. Getting to the SB and the NFC Championship game is great and all, but they have a team that could make a title run this year, aside from two positions: CB and WR. Now, if it's a matter between a WR and Namdi, I say Namdi all day, but if we don't make that move we have to sign one of the top FAs.I get what you're saying about Tyrell, Robinson, Berrian, all that, but I'm not saying I would be happy if Knox got 1000 yards instead of 960. Fact is, Knox is a one-trick pony, as is Hester, as is Bennett. We need a "do-everything" true WR1. Otherwise signing Cutler was a complete waste of money.
You're prepping yourself to be let down I think. There are no stud WR's just sitting out there that will win Chicago a SB. Holmes is probably the closest thing to a stud WR on the market and NY will sign him.Rice will be a letdown I think. If you want a big WR why not go after M Floyd?I think Steve Smith would be the best move for Chicago. I could see one, maybe 2 more good years from him and a scenery change could be good. He has been a do everything type WR in the past and could potentially fill in the blanks for this offense.
 
have heard stuff about Edwards possibly landing there.....think he would be a nice big target for Cutler that could compliment some of the smaller guys.....good red zone, etc....realize he's not a greatest show on turf kind of guy, but he is big, fast, and can draw attention....
That would be a good move. Chicago fans may not like it since they've had some bad history with U of M WR's in the past.
 
Edwards has terrible hands, but he'd be a massive upgrade over what we have.

I can't understand us not liking what we saw of Burress BEFORE he went to prison, which is apparently why we are not considering him. Being scared off by two years away from the game, sure.

If we aren't going to pony up money for a big name like Holmes, we need to be looking at one-year fixes like Owens, Moss, Ocho. All three of those guys, while at the tail ends of their careers, are again massive improvements.

Hester is not a WR. Knox can run go-routes and that's about it, and he has no strength to get off the blocks. Bennett is a decent possession WR, but nothing more. That is a huge hole in our offense.

 
My gut instinct call is James Jones to CHI. Not sure how much of an upgrade he'd be over the current group... but I think the potential is there.

I'd be fine with Ochocinco or Smith (Car) as short term fixes (2 years or so).

 
I know he's old, but I'd like to see Derrick Mason there. Should be cheap compared to the others.

 
we need to be looking at one-year fixes like Owens, Moss, Ocho. All three of those guys, while at the tail ends of their careers, are again massive improvements.
So basically you're just interested in adding big names, not talent. None of those guys at this point in their careers offer much of an upgrade, if any, to what the team has now.
 
Earl Bennett is very underrated currently. He played good last year, when healthy.

Other possibilities not mentioned:

Santana Moss is also a good possibility. Fits Martz's scheme in that he is small and fast, he will also come at a cheap price.

Steve Smith(NYG) could be a good signing if his knee is good because he will come at a discount. Again he is small, quick and runs good routes.

 
Earl Bennett is very underrated currently. He played good last year, when healthy.Other possibilities not mentioned:Santana Moss is also a good possibility. Fits Martz's scheme in that he is small and fast, he will also come at a cheap price.Steve Smith(NYG) could be a good signing if his knee is good because he will come at a discount. Again he is small, quick and runs good routes.
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I would be shocked if the bears starting wide recievers this year were not knox and bennett with hester rotating in

 
we need to be looking at one-year fixes like Owens, Moss, Ocho. All three of those guys, while at the tail ends of their careers, are again massive improvements.
So basically you're just interested in adding big names, not talent. None of those guys at this point in their careers offer much of an upgrade, if any, to what the team has now.
Actually interested in guys with the physical mold that we need and have accomplished more in each of their best two seasons that our entire WR corps has in their entire careers.To say that Terrel Owens or Ocho or even Moss would not represent an upgrade is ridiculous. Moss I am least interested in, given that he has completely lost it mentally, but yes, Owens or Ocho would instantly start over anyone we have and for very good reason.Also, I am really tired of hearing how underrated Bennett is. One of the reasons we go offseason after offseason without addressing the position is we always think the guys we have are underrated. Knox was underrated last year, yet really wasn't. So was Bennett. So was Aromashadu. So was Berrian. Truth is, they are all rated exactly right: middling WRs that would have trouble landing a starting spot on most NFL teams.Bennett: 12.2 y/r, only one game over 80 yards receiving in two years, despite playing with his college QB.We can't keep going to battle with nothing but mediocrity at this position.
 
They have GOT to stop ignoring this position.
You are forgetting the ridiculous 6 year/$30 million contract that the Bears gave to then 32 year old Mushin Muhammad. The Bears have drafted several WR's over the years as well. I don't think it is so much as ignoring the position as it is the fact that the Bears front office is to inept to assess the position correctly.
 
I can't remember the last time we drafted one.

We have a big-armed QB that we paid a mint for, and have never made a serious move to get him a real receiver.

I wake up this morning and read this:

Bears | No interest in Plaxico Burress Tue Jul 26, 01:46 AM

The Chicago Bears have no interest in free-agent WR Plaxico Burress (Giants) based on extensive research done on the veteran prior to Burress going to prison.

Our view: Burress reportedly had the Bears as one of the three teams he wanted to play for this year. His skill set really doesn't mesh with a Mike Martz system. We think there's a good chance Burress ends up back in Pittsburgh for a second stint with the Steelers.

Bears | Chad Ochocinco, Terrell Owens not in plans Tue Jul 26, 01:45 AM

The Chicago Bears do no plan to pursue Cincinnati Bengals WR Chad Ochocinco or free-agent WR Terrell Owens (Bengals).

Our view: The Bears are looking for a true number one WR and want a bigger player at the position. Ochocinco may end up with the Patriots or the Ravens, while Owens may not get signed in camp because of a recent knee surgery.

My heart isn't set on any of these guys, but I know how cheap the McCaskeys are and I don't see them offering up enough to get Holmes, Rice, or even Smith. There is a faint glimmer of hope here...

Bears | Mike Sims-Walker interested in joining team Tue Jul 26, 01:45 AM

Free-agent WR Mike Sims-Walker (Jaguars) said Monday, July 25, that he is interested in joining the Chicago Bears. 'Chicago would be one of the ideal spots for me,' Sims-Walker said. 'With the offensive coordinator (Mike Martz) and QB Jay Cutler, the speedy receivers, the monster defense, and RB Matt Forte in the backfield, I think I can be the missing piece.'

Our view: Sims-Walker needs to stay healthy and play with more consistency if he wants to play up to his potential. His skill set could work in the Mike Martz system and he would be the team's biggest WR.
I wouldn't want any of those WRs either. What the Bears need to do is get their Oline to actual block someone and allow Cutler to stay upright. I imagine the WRs they have will suddenly look remarkably better if the Oline improves. Don't get me wrong, the position could certainly use an upgrade. I just think there are some other factors leading to the poor results thus far.

 
I actually think Plalxico would be the right fit for this team.

A lot of the Bears issues with WR is the identity of the team. They are always and forever a run-first team/defense team. In years past I was always willing to give them a mulligan with WRs because A)they had a good RB and defense and B) it DID seem like it was not smart to put big money into a WR when the weather in the midwest always seemded to have them playing in weather that wasn't ideal for an air-it-out gaem (their own home games, those important road games against the Pack, always playing the Giants and Philly).

But now, they have a big armed QB and an offensive minded coordinator and the Pack have certainly been showing for years that the weather can be overcome.

So now I think Plax, a guy that has played in that type of weather, or Holmes, would be an area the Bears should look at to try to get over the hump. I'm hopeful for the OP but I dunno.

 
Sidney Rice is probably the best option, the most Marshall-like target for Cutler. But if he's even available - if Minn. doesn't go out of their way to keep him - you would suspect he still has hip issues.

Santana Moss is a valid, maybe even likely possibility but he can't do anything Knox can't do.

I would go for Ochocino if his price isn't absurd. Now if Cutler starts the season poorly this could turn into a real disaster, but if the idea is winning it all this season I think Ocho is a risk worth taking.

 
They have GOT to stop ignoring this position.
You are forgetting the ridiculous 6 year/$30 million contract that the Bears gave to then 32 year old Mushin Muhammad. The Bears have drafted several WR's over the years as well. I don't think it is so much as ignoring the position as it is the fact that the Bears front office is to inept to assess the position correctly.
I cannot deny that the bears when they have spent, did so foolishly.However, with Martz in charge of the offense, he is a guy who typically finds a low price, high value, underrated player and turns him into a good WR. also, I think it may be a case where it's not that they are not interested in some of these players, I think it's the price tag or the attitude they bring to the dressing room they dont want. If they went out and signed Owens to a huge contract and got numbers similar to what he put up in Buffalo, I can see everyone getting choked again.I expect they will sign one player to make it look like they are doing something about the problem and count on Martz to work his magic with the rest.
 
They have GOT to stop ignoring this position.
You are forgetting the ridiculous 6 year/$30 million contract that the Bears gave to then 32 year old Mushin Muhammad. The Bears have drafted several WR's over the years as well. I don't think it is so much as ignoring the position as it is the fact that the Bears front office is to inept to assess the position correctly.
I cannot deny that the bears when they have spent, did so foolishly.However, with Martz in charge of the offense, he is a guy who typically finds a low price, high value, underrated player and turns him into a good WR. also, I think it may be a case where it's not that they are not interested in some of these players, I think it's the price tag or the attitude they bring to the dressing room they dont want. If they went out and signed Owens to a huge contract and got numbers similar to what he put up in Buffalo, I can see everyone getting choked again.I expect they will sign one player to make it look like they are doing something about the problem and count on Martz to work his magic with the rest.
I think you are dead on here. Everyone is comparing the bears of the last few years to todays bears. Its not the same. There is a different person evaluating talent for the offense, one that has a history of being pretty good at it. martz admits that bennett was ignored last year and that he is much better than martz gave him credit.for at the begining of the year. Will bennett be a stud wr in the league? I highly doubt it, but I think he and knox both improve, they may sign a guy like roy williams to compete, but the biggest difference is going to come.from giving cutler time to.throw the ball and increasing the.running.threat through.better blocking.The best signing the bears can do to improve their passing game is to sign yanda
 
The Bears only believe in overpaying average WRs like Muhsin Muhammad who signed a $30 million dollar deal in 2005 as a 32 yr. old coming off a career season.

Is Roy Williams available?

 
They have GOT to stop ignoring this position.
You are forgetting the ridiculous 6 year/$30 million contract that the Bears gave to then 32 year old Mushin Muhammad. The Bears have drafted several WR's over the years as well. I don't think it is so much as ignoring the position as it is the fact that the Bears front office is to inept to assess the position correctly.
Well put but I was not forgetting that fiasco, or any of the other NFL swan songs we have financed over the years. We always sign big name players after their last year of usefulness. I'm talking about getting someone in the early stages of, or just coming into their prime.IF we can't open up the wallet to do that, then I think we need to make the most of our window. We have essentially one more year of Urlacher and Tillman, and once they go we have to start completely rebuilding the back seven.Personally, I would much rather see us spend on Namdi, get him opposite Tillman, and sign someone that can at least get us 1-2 years of improved play at WR, and draft a WR in next year's draft. I think Ocho, Edwards, Owens, Steve Smith, and even Buress fit that perfectly, but that's only if we go after Namdi and I haven't heard a whisper of that.If not, we have egg on our face if we don't come out of this with either Holmes or Rice. Unfortunately, I am resigned to the fact that we will most likely get some yawn like Brad Smith or Lance Moore, and once again field the most uninspiring and ineffective WR corps in the NFL.
 
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didn't I read somewhere that they think highly of Fantuz?
Maybe the best post in the thread and not one reply...he was signed late Feb I believe and got little press or maybe everyone forgot about him. The guy is 6 foot 4, about 220 and he tore it up in the CFL last year. Not saying that translates perfect to the NFL but a few of the CFL guys have been finding their way into the NFL. The guy is 26 or 27 so he isn't a rookie by any stretch. I like him to win one of the 2 spots. Knox being the other. Bennett is very limited IMO and Hester is not an NFL caliber starting WR, sorry. His biggest ability I have seen on film is breaking tackles, he's very difficult to get on the ground. Now if Chicago were to bring in a Steve Smith(either one) then my opinion would change but right now there isn't a lot at the WR spot in Chicago.
 
Sad to say but even Roy would be a big upgrade. When the least of journeymen WRs makes your corps instantly better, that is a sad, sad state of affairs.

 
didn't I read somewhere that they think highly of Fantuz?
Maybe the best post in the thread and not one reply...he was signed late Feb I believe and got little press or maybe everyone forgot about him. The guy is 6 foot 4, about 220 and he tore it up in the CFL last year. Not saying that translates perfect to the NFL but a few of the CFL guys have been finding their way into the NFL. The guy is 26 or 27 so he isn't a rookie by any stretch. I like him to win one of the 2 spots. Knox being the other. Bennett is very limited IMO and Hester is not an NFL caliber starting WR, sorry. His biggest ability I have seen on film is breaking tackles, he's very difficult to get on the ground. Now if Chicago were to bring in a Steve Smith(either one) then my opinion would change but right now there isn't a lot at the WR spot in Chicago.
So a guy no one has ever heard of from the CFL is going to make the difference? If it were that easy, no one would even be looking at NFL FAs, and it's not like the Bears have showcased an ability to find hidden gems at the position. Remember Juaqien Igelsias? That's ok, no one else does either.
 
didn't I read somewhere that they think highly of Fantuz?
Maybe the best post in the thread and not one reply...he was signed late Feb I believe and got little press or maybe everyone forgot about him. The guy is 6 foot 4, about 220 and he tore it up in the CFL last year. Not saying that translates perfect to the NFL but a few of the CFL guys have been finding their way into the NFL. The guy is 26 or 27 so he isn't a rookie by any stretch. I like him to win one of the 2 spots. Knox being the other. Bennett is very limited IMO and Hester is not an NFL caliber starting WR, sorry. His biggest ability I have seen on film is breaking tackles, he's very difficult to get on the ground. Now if Chicago were to bring in a Steve Smith(either one) then my opinion would change but right now there isn't a lot at the WR spot in Chicago.
So a guy no one has ever heard of from the CFL is going to make the difference? If it were that easy, no one would even be looking at NFL FAs, and it's not like the Bears have showcased an ability to find hidden gems at the position. Remember Juaqien Igelsias? That's ok, no one else does either.
Several folks in the Pro Bowl last year were UFAs...it's cool if you don't think much of him. Here's some footage and a decent breakdown of the guy. Link

The announcer guy in the video is not going to win any awards but the info is pretty straight forward.

 
They so badly need a #1 WR and it seems like their big WR target is Brad Smith. Now, don't get me wrong- I think Brad Smith is a valuable player for pretty much any team. He is a great #3 or 4 WR, can be a fun piece to have if you like gadget plays and will help your return game.... but he is not a #1. I don't understand what the Bear front office is thinking. Then again, I have never understood taking what would have been the best return man of all time and turning him into a mediocre WR either.

 
have heard stuff about Edwards possibly landing there.....think he would be a nice big target for Cutler that could compliment some of the smaller guys.....good red zone, etc....realize he's not a greatest show on turf kind of guy, but he is big, fast, and can draw attention....
Edwards and Roy Williams are good fits that arent mentioned. Seriously, not being interested in Burress, TO, or Ocho isnt much of a knock on a team.
 
Would like to see them land S. Smith (NYG), Malcolm Floyd or Steve Breaston. Ocho, Roy Williams, MSW and Burress are not the type of players the Bears would like to add to the organization. They need to re-sign Olin and patch up that OL and from what I am hearing in Chicago- Matt Forte is looking for more dough. Just have to hope that the Forte situation does not compound or they will have OL, WR and RB problems.

 
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They so badly need a #1 WR and it seems like their big WR target is Brad Smith. Now, don't get me wrong- I think Brad Smith is a valuable player for pretty much any team. He is a great #3 or 4 WR, can be a fun piece to have if you like gadget plays and will help your return game.... but he is not a #1. I don't understand what the Bear front office is thinking. Then again, I have never understood taking what would have been the best return man of all time and turning him into a mediocre WR either.
The only reason thy are going after Brad Smith is b/c of the new CBA, the 3rd string QB is ACTIVE on gamedays. Brad Smith played QB in college, so he can fill in as a WR/returner and be a 3rd QB. Saves a roster spot on gameday.
 
didn't I read somewhere that they think highly of Fantuz?
Maybe the best post in the thread and not one reply...he was signed late Feb I believe and got little press or maybe everyone forgot about him. The guy is 6 foot 4, about 220 and he tore it up in the CFL last year. Not saying that translates perfect to the NFL but a few of the CFL guys have been finding their way into the NFL. The guy is 26 or 27 so he isn't a rookie by any stretch. I like him to win one of the 2 spots. Knox being the other. Bennett is very limited IMO and Hester is not an NFL caliber starting WR, sorry. His biggest ability I have seen on film is breaking tackles, he's very difficult to get on the ground. Now if Chicago were to bring in a Steve Smith(either one) then my opinion would change but right now there isn't a lot at the WR spot in Chicago.
I'm curious as to why he is limited?He redshirted his first year and was injured in camp, then again later last season. I believe he is the most complete WR on the roster and only had 1 dropped pass all season.

 
they need Cutler to learn QB fundamentals. They guy makes more fundamental mistakes more consistently than any qb in the NFL. His arm strength lets him get away with it, until it doesn't

 

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