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Why do we hate domestic violence? (1 Viewer)

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Why does domestic violence seemingly get singled out for special treatment? Shouldn't we oppose all violence?

I was reading an article calling for Hope Solo to be benched by US Soccer because she has been charged with "domestic violence" for allegedly beating up her nephew and his mom. It happens to fall under the moniker of domestic violence presumably because it took place between family members. But, the article seemed to take special note of the domestic part of the charge, and less so the violence. The author has a family member killed via domestic violence, and wanted to take a stand for that reason.

What if Solo was out at a bar, and got into an altercation with a random 17-yo and his mom - would anybody care?

Same thing with the Ray Rice situation - it seemingly became a bigger-than-life deal because it was "domestic violence" rather than simply knocking out some dude. You certainly get the impression that if this was some scrawny dude that Rice knocked out, he would not have missed any time.

Now, I understand the need to accent domestic violence from the standpoint that historically, domestic violence is under-reported, and allowed to continue as a result, and that, in the past, authorities may have shied away from getting involved in marital disputes. But, it seems we are placing too much emphasis on the domestic part, and not enough on the violence part of the charge.

 
What if Solo was out at a bar, and got into an altercation with a random 17-yo and his mom - would anybody care?
I, for one, would definitely care. We must stop the epidemic of seventeen year old dudes hanging out at the bar with their mom.

 
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My problem with it is that it makes women think they can never do anything wrong. Like, they want equality but think they can waltz around treating people like dirt.

If a man pushes me, strikes me, provokes me. I am 100% able to retaliatory without being a pariah.

If a woman pushes me, strikes me, provokes me. I am not allowed to retaliate in any matter.

That's not how equality works. Obviously there are situations in which men are mentally and physically abusive but I have seen situations where women are the aggressor.

I am telling you, women and homosexuals have waaay too much protection legally in this day of age.

 
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To say that men and women are equals, that they should receive equal pay but not be held responsible for the same social consequences is laughable.

A ######## regardless of gender is entitled to a punch in their face to put them in line. Law of the jungle.

 
To say that men and women are equals, that they should receive equal pay but not be held responsible for the same social consequences is

laughable.

A ######## regardless of gender is entitled to a

punch in their face to put them in line. Law of the jungle.
You should actually pay attention in class.
 
My problem with it is that it makes women think they can never do anything wrong. Like, they want equality but think they can waltz around treating people like dirt.

If a man pushes me, strikes me, provokes me. I am 100% able to retaliatory without being a pariah.

If a woman pushes me, strikes me, provokes me. I am not allowed to retaliate in any matter.

That's not how equality works. Obviously there are situations in which men are mentally and physically abusive but I have seen situations where women are the aggressor.

I am telling you, women and homosexuals have waaay too much protection legally in this day of age.
A woman and a man is not usually a fair fight. A woman would probably beat the #### out of you though.

 
Why did you bring up homosexuals when talking about women and domestic violence?
Women and homosexuals have extra protection in American society. You guys are all old and got to grow up in a world where fair was fair.

I have to deal with all this dumb ### liberal nonsense. I made my point on the subject and then gave an additional example to.bring the point I was trying to drive home full circle.

 
To say that men and women are equals, that they should receive equal pay but not be held responsible for the same social consequences is laughable.

A ######## regardless of gender is entitled to a punch in their face to put them in line. Law of the jungle.
I'm thinking the law of the jungle is not a very good guiding principle for a civilized society.

 
To say that men and women are equals, that they should receive equal pay but not be held responsible for the same social consequences is laughable.

A ######## regardless of gender is entitled to a punch in their face to put them in line. Law of the jungle.
I'm thinking the law of the jungle is not a very good guiding principle for a civilized society.
Hammurabi even knew we needed more order and rule than the law of the jungle. Also, funny that one of the smallest posters on this message board is advocating for the law of the jungle. Figure that out.
 
Why did you bring up homosexuals when talking about women and domestic violence?
Women and homosexuals have extra protection in American society. You guys are all old and got to grow up in a world where fair was fair.I have to deal with all this dumb ### liberal nonsense. I made my point on the subject and then gave an additional example to.bring the point I was trying to drive home full circle.
Even back in my younger days it still hasn't ok to hit a women.
 
Why does domestic violence seemingly get singled out for special treatment? Shouldn't we oppose all violence?
It's worse psychologically.

Does getting punched in a bar by a complete stranger do the same damage to you as being punched by your father?

Why do we single out POWs? What difference does it make whether you were injured as a prisoner or randomly in battle?

It's all the same, right?

 
Why did you bring up homosexuals when talking about women and domestic violence?
Women and homosexuals have extra protection in American society. You guys are all old and got to grow up in a world where fair was fair.I have to deal with all this dumb ### liberal nonsense. I made my point on the subject and then gave an additional example to.bring the point I was trying to drive home full circle.
I'm maybe a couple years older than you. I don't really think homosexuals get special treatment but I don't look into the issue that much. If anything I would guess women and homosexuals are treated as less than equals all things considered.

 
Why did you bring up homosexuals when talking about women and domestic violence?
Women and homosexuals have extra protection in American society. You guys are all old and got to grow up in a world where fair was fair.I have to deal with all this dumb ### liberal nonsense. I made my point on the subject and then gave an additional example to.bring the point I was trying to drive home full circle.
I'm maybe a couple years older than you. I don't really think homosexuals get special treatment but I don't look into the issue that much. If anything I would guess women and homosexuals are treated as less than equals all things considered.
So you're suggesting that maybe I'm just an #######? I guess once I finally learn to let the little princesses prance around without consequence, I'll be much happier? Reverse equality, expect no accountability but pretend everyone has equal rights.

Is that about right, or?

 
I understand the notion that if I had a wife or daughter that I would want the world to be extra delicate with them. So maybe I am lacking some perspective.

 
Why did you bring up homosexuals when talking about women and domestic violence?
Women and homosexuals have extra protection in American society. You guys are all old and got to grow up in a world where fair was fair.

I have to deal with all this dumb ### liberal nonsense. I made my point on the subject and then gave an additional example to.bring the point I was trying to drive home full circle.
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

 
Why should we care about anything other than ourselves? Pets, sick children, domestic violence....unless it involves us we really should not care.

 
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Why did you bring up homosexuals when talking about women and domestic violence?
Women and homosexuals have extra protection in American society. You guys are all old and got to grow up in a world where fair was fair.I have to deal with all this dumb ### liberal nonsense. I made my point on the subject and then gave an additional example to.bring the point I was trying to drive home full circle.
I'm maybe a couple years older than you. I don't really think homosexuals get special treatment but I don't look into the issue that much. If anything I would guess women and homosexuals are treated as less than equals all things considered.
So you're suggesting that maybe I'm just an #######? I guess once I finally learn to let the little princesses prance around without consequence, I'll be much happier? Reverse equality, expect no accountability but pretend everyone has equal rights.Is that about right, or?
Settle down man, I'm just giving you my perspective.
 
Why did you bring up homosexuals when talking about women and domestic violence?
Women and homosexuals have extra protection in American society. You guys are all old and got to grow up in a world where fair was fair.I have to deal with all this dumb ### liberal nonsense. I made my point on the subject and then gave an additional example to.bring the point I was trying to drive home full circle.
I'm maybe a couple years older than you. I don't really think homosexuals get special treatment but I don't look into the issue that much. If anything I would guess women and homosexuals are treated as less than equals all things considered.
So you're suggesting that maybe I'm just an #######? I guess once I finally learn to let the little princesses prance around without consequence, I'll be much happier? Reverse equality, expect no accountability but pretend everyone has equal rights.Is that about right, or?
You're the one suggesting you're a waste of whatever it is that you are.

 
Why did you bring up homosexuals when talking about women and domestic violence?
Women and homosexuals have extra protection in American society. You guys are all old and got to grow up in a world where fair was fair.I have to deal with all this dumb ### liberal nonsense. I made my point on the subject and then gave an additional example to.bring the point I was trying to drive home full circle.
Even back in my younger days it still hasn't ok to hit a women.
At least we could beat up teh gays for prancing around. There was consequences for stuff like that back then.

 
:lmao: My comment got deleted.

ETA: Good stuff. We're allowed to make anti-gay posts, but can't ask that person what their sexual preferences are?

 
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Why should we care about anything other than ourselves? Pets, sick children, domestic violence....unless it involves us we really should not care.
But that misses the point of my post - even if the title was deliberately misleading.

I am not suggesting that we should not care about domestic violence, on the contrary I wonder why we do not care as much about other forms of criminal violence.

You hit a guy at the bar because he was sleeping with your wife - no big deal. You hit your wife for sleeping with the guy at the bar - pretty big deal. You are reacting to the same conduct - and impose the same amount of violence. Yet we will condemn one act, and excuse the other.

Seems to me, we should be condemning both acts.

 
Why should we care about anything other than ourselves? Pets, sick children, domestic violence....unless it involves us we really should not care.
But that misses the point of my post - even if the title was deliberately misleading.

I am not suggesting that we should not care about domestic violence, on the contrary I wonder why we do not care as much about other forms of criminal violence.

You hit a guy at the bar because he was sleeping with your wife - no big deal. You hit your wife for sleeping with the guy at the bar - pretty big deal. You are reacting to the same conduct - and impose the same amount of violence. Yet we will condemn one act, and excuse the other.

Seems to me, we should be condemning both acts.
Try telling the judge it's ok to hit a guy in the bar it's ok since he was sleeping with your wife.

 
Why should we care about anything other than ourselves? Pets, sick children, domestic violence....unless it involves us we really should not care.
But that misses the point of my post - even if the title was deliberately misleading.

I am not suggesting that we should not care about domestic violence, on the contrary I wonder why we do not care as much about other forms of criminal violence.

You hit a guy at the bar because he was sleeping with your wife - no big deal. You hit your wife for sleeping with the guy at the bar - pretty big deal. You are reacting to the same conduct - and impose the same amount of violence. Yet we will condemn one act, and excuse the other.

Seems to me, we should be condemning both acts.
Try telling the judge it's ok to hit a guy in the bar it's ok since he was sleeping with your wife.
Do you think Ray Rice is suspended and fired, if he knocked Eminence out in some bar?

 
Why should we care about anything other than ourselves? Pets, sick children, domestic violence....unless it involves us we really should not care.
But that misses the point of my post - even if the title was deliberately misleading.

I am not suggesting that we should not care about domestic violence, on the contrary I wonder why we do not care as much about other forms of criminal violence.

You hit a guy at the bar because he was sleeping with your wife - no big deal. You hit your wife for sleeping with the guy at the bar - pretty big deal. You are reacting to the same conduct - and impose the same amount of violence. Yet we will condemn one act, and excuse the other.

Seems to me, we should be condemning both acts.
Try telling the judge it's ok to hit a guy in the bar it's ok since he was sleeping with your wife.
Do you think Ray Rice is suspended and fired, if he knocked Eminence out in some bar?
If the guy was as small as a woman, was caught on tape and showed him dragging the body around, I think there is a good chance.
 
Why did you bring up homosexuals when talking about women and domestic violence?
Women and homosexuals have extra protection in American society. You guys are all old and got to grow up in a world where fair was fair.I have to deal with all this dumb ### liberal nonsense. I made my point on the subject and then gave an additional example to.bring the point I was trying to drive home full circle.
I'm maybe a couple years older than you. I don't really think homosexuals get special treatment but I don't look into the issue that much. If anything I would guess women and homosexuals are treated as less than equals all things considered.
So you're suggesting that maybe I'm just an #######? I guess once I finally learn to let the little princesses prance around without consequence, I'll be much happier? Reverse equality, expect no accountability but pretend everyone has equal rights.Is that about right, or?
Settle down man, I'm just giving you my perspective.
No, no I'm being serious you have made me think a little bit. I guess the idea that men are supposed to protect the weaker humans gives men more privilege than others.

I have met a few girls who deserve to get their ### beat though. ;)

 
Why should we care about anything other than ourselves? Pets, sick children, domestic violence....unless it involves us we really should not care.
But that misses the point of my post - even if the title was deliberately misleading.

I am not suggesting that we should not care about domestic violence, on the contrary I wonder why we do not care as much about other forms of criminal violence.

You hit a guy at the bar because he was sleeping with your wife - no big deal. You hit your wife for sleeping with the guy at the bar - pretty big deal. You are reacting to the same conduct - and impose the same amount of violence. Yet we will condemn one act, and excuse the other.

Seems to me, we should be condemning both acts.
We do.

 
Why should we care about anything other than ourselves? Pets, sick children, domestic violence....unless it involves us we really should not care.
But that misses the point of my post - even if the title was deliberately misleading.

I am not suggesting that we should not care about domestic violence, on the contrary I wonder why we do not care as much about other forms of criminal violence.

You hit a guy at the bar because he was sleeping with your wife - no big deal. You hit your wife for sleeping with the guy at the bar - pretty big deal. You are reacting to the same conduct - and impose the same amount of violence. Yet we will condemn one act, and excuse the other.

Seems to me, we should be condemning both acts.
Try telling the judge it's ok to hit a guy in the bar it's ok since he was sleeping with your wife.
Do you think Ray Rice is suspended and fired, if he knocked Eminence out in some bar?
He could land jail for knocking him out.

 
Why should we care about anything other than ourselves? Pets, sick children, domestic violence....unless it involves us we really should not care.
But that misses the point of my post - even if the title was deliberately misleading.

I am not suggesting that we should not care about domestic violence, on the contrary I wonder why we do not care as much about other forms of criminal violence.

You hit a guy at the bar because he was sleeping with your wife - no big deal. You hit your wife for sleeping with the guy at the bar - pretty big deal. You are reacting to the same conduct - and impose the same amount of violence. Yet we will condemn one act, and excuse the other.

Seems to me, we should be condemning both acts.
Try telling the judge it's ok to hit a guy in the bar it's ok since he was sleeping with your wife.
Do you think Ray Rice is suspended and fired, if he knocked Eminence out in some bar?
No. They could cover that up.

 
Why should we care about anything other than ourselves? Pets, sick children, domestic violence....unless it involves us we really should not care.
But that misses the point of my post - even if the title was deliberately misleading.

I am not suggesting that we should not care about domestic violence, on the contrary I wonder why we do not care as much about other forms of criminal violence.

You hit a guy at the bar because he was sleeping with your wife - no big deal. You hit your wife for sleeping with the guy at the bar - pretty big deal. You are reacting to the same conduct - and impose the same amount of violence. Yet we will condemn one act, and excuse the other.

Seems to me, we should be condemning both acts.
Try telling the judge it's ok to hit a guy in the bar it's ok since he was sleeping with your wife.
Do you think Ray Rice is suspended and fired, if he knocked Eminence out in some bar?
If the guy was as small as a woman, was caught on tape and showed him dragging the body around, I think there is a good chance.
Well he got two games, and an attempt to sweep it under the rug when it was a woman. If ti was a man, I would have expected an even more lenient punishment than that - and no lobby group to stand up and make a scene over the inadequate punishment.

Its just my opinion of course, but I suspect the general public, even with a video, would assume Eminence (or any other light-on-his-feet guy) had done something to deserve getting pummeled. With a woman involved - there is an automatic societal taboo about hitting women.

 
Why should we care about anything other than ourselves? Pets, sick children, domestic violence....unless it involves us we really should not care.
But that misses the point of my post - even if the title was deliberately misleading.

I am not suggesting that we should not care about domestic violence, on the contrary I wonder why we do not care as much about other forms of criminal violence.

You hit a guy at the bar because he was sleeping with your wife - no big deal. You hit your wife for sleeping with the guy at the bar - pretty big deal. You are reacting to the same conduct - and impose the same amount of violence. Yet we will condemn one act, and excuse the other.

Seems to me, we should be condemning both acts.
Try telling the judge it's ok to hit a guy in the bar it's ok since he was sleeping with your wife.
Do you think Ray Rice is suspended and fired, if he knocked Eminence out in some bar?
If the guy was as small as a woman, was caught on tape and showed him dragging the body around, I think there is a good chance.
Well he got two games, and an attempt to sweep it under the rug when it was a woman. If ti was a man, I would have expected an even more lenient punishment than that - and no lobby group to stand up and make a scene over the inadequate punishment.

Its just my opinion of course, but I suspect the general public, even with a video, would assume Eminence (or any other light-on-his-feet guy) had done something to deserve getting pummeled. With a woman involved - there is an automatic societal taboo about hitting women.
Valid points. I think we definitely agree that the video was the key piece here.
 
Why did you bring up homosexuals when talking about women and domestic violence?
Women and homosexuals have extra protection in American society. You guys are all old and got to grow up in a world where fair was fair.I have to deal with all this dumb ### liberal nonsense. I made my point on the subject and then gave an additional example to.bring the point I was trying to drive home full circle.
I'm maybe a couple years older than you. I don't really think homosexuals get special treatment but I don't look into the issue that much. If anything I would guess women and homosexuals are treated as less than equals all things considered.
So you're suggesting that maybe I'm just an #######? I guess once I finally learn to let the little princesses prance around without consequence, I'll be much happier? Reverse equality, expect no accountability but pretend everyone has equal rights.Is that about right, or?
Settle down man, I'm just giving you my perspective.
No, no I'm being serious you have made me think a little bit. I guess the idea that men are supposed to protect the weaker humans gives men more privilege than others.I have met a few girls who deserve to get their ### beat though. ;)
You don't really have to protect them, you just have to not punch them in the face. Not a lot to ask imo. Ya there are some women who will talk #### to get at you because they know you can't hit them. That's where you get to demonstrate your maturity and ignore it.
 
Why did you bring up homosexuals when talking about women and domestic violence?
Women and homosexuals have extra protection in American society. You guys are all old and got to grow up in a world where fair was fair.I have to deal with all this dumb ### liberal nonsense. I made my point on the subject and then gave an additional example to.bring the point I was trying to drive home full circle.
I'm maybe a couple years older than you. I don't really think homosexuals get special treatment but I don't look into the issue that much. If anything I would guess women and homosexuals are treated as less than equals all things considered.
So you're suggesting that maybe I'm just an #######? I guess once I finally learn to let the little princesses prance around without consequence, I'll be much happier? Reverse equality, expect no accountability but pretend everyone has equal rights.Is that about right, or?
Settle down man, I'm just giving you my perspective.
No, no I'm being serious you have made me think a little bit. I guess the idea that men are supposed to protect the weaker humans gives men more privilege than others.I have met a few girls who deserve to get their ### beat though. ;)
You don't really have to protect them, you just have to not punch them in the face. Not a lot to ask imo. Ya there are some women who will talk #### to get at you because they know you can't hit them. That's where you get to demonstrate your maturity and ignore it.
The last part is where my objection takes place. Since men are the ones who have to "be mature" it allows women to get away with things we'd beat the #### out of another dude for.

You give an inch, they take a foot.

Again, all of this is fine. But don't come at me about equality when I see women consistently using their unspoken protection to.their advantage. If you want to be a beautiful little flower, by all means go for it. I will treat you like one. But if you want to be a "bad #####" prepare to be treated like one.

 

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