Why do we live in a culture (1 Viewer)

[Jackstraw]

The premise of the thread is wrong to the core. Those that wake up in the morning, show up to work, school etc and consitently do the right thing consistently do better in life than those that don't. Period. Those that work harder better faster do better than those that don't.

You can give me examples here and there but by and large those that work harder do better than similarly talented individuals that don't work as hard.

Those that break the law get caught eventually and pay for their crimes. (at least blue collar level crime) The less educated make less money than the better educated. etc etc.

 

[perry147]

Two years ago my companies kired a new CEO, he stayed about 4 months and then resigned, big huge red flag IMHO. He got more money in his golden parachute and I will make in my entire career here. I would hard everyday I get up go to work , even on weekends, and holidays.

People getting financial help with their mortgages after they bought homes they could not afford.

People getting paid more to stay at home and live on welfare than to work for a living.

You want a few more?

 

[OC Zed]

Because people are irresponsible in general, and our culture is a reflection of our people.

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That kind of mentality only promotes further justification for Big Brother.

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Big Brother is irresponsible too.

If government governs irresponsibly, then we should not be giving power to our government to redistribute wealth from the responsible private actors to the irresponsible private actors.

 

[FUBAR]

Because people are irresponsible in general, and our culture is a reflection of our people.

People are selfish in general, not irresponsible. Only when you take away the cost/benefit proposition of using one's own money does selfishness turn to irresponsibility.

I disagree, I think people are irresponsible in general.For instance, how many people put significant thought and effort into choosing who to vote for in elections? Not many, and in most cases, very few. That's irresponsible because through a lack of preparation and consideration, we're putting people into positions of power basically, on a whim, in many cases, or just based on parties in others. I think that's irresponsible.It's also irresponsible to sign for a loan on a house that is more that you can afford. It's also irresponsible for banks to loan money to people who clearly can't pay it back. Certainly selfishness drives the greed that justifies their irresponsibility in some cases, but the irresponsibility is there.

Thank you, adonis...you just proved why Obama is in the White House and why we have a Democratic Congress.Those that do not want to take responsibility for their needs and wants are looking to the current government to provide these needs and wants...via those that already took responsibility for those needs and wants.

This would make perfect sense if every person in the U.S. was born with the same abilities and resources.

I do not think anyone would want to throw a dieing man out on the street from a hospital if he could not pay his bill, just like we do not want a mother with four kids collecting welfare checks, just like we do not want the elderly left neglected and malnourished; there are degrees to which the rational applications of government assistance is needed.

Agreed. People just disagree on the level of duty the state should have as it pertains to individual citizens. I think citizens should be entitled to more than just the bare minimum needed to keep them alive at a hospital. I think this because the state can do it without any difficulty if the money received from taxes was used differently. That same people that say taxes are too high are the same people that say sure "buy another 25 raptors jets" but then turn around and say that medicaid and medicare is overfunded.

Raptors are a waste of money too.

 

[Fennis]

because we don't.

 

[roadkill1292]

The premise of the thread is wrong to the core. Those that wake up in the morning, show up to work, school etc and consitently do the right thing consistently do better in life than those that don't. Period. Those that work harder better faster do better than those that don't.You can give me examples here and there but by and large those that work harder do better than similarly talented individuals that don't work as hard.Those that break the law get caught eventually and pay for their crimes. (at least blue collar level crime) The less educated make less money than the better educated. etc etc.

With more slackers than ever out there, you're gold if you have a good work ethic and are willing to assume responsibility. Employers/customers still value people like this.

 

[Gigantomachia]

Because people are irresponsible in general, and our culture is a reflection of our people.

People are selfish in general, not irresponsible. Only when you take away the cost/benefit proposition of using one's own money does selfishness turn to irresponsibility.

I have never bought, nor found any actual support, for the claim that humans are "naturally" selfish. In fact, I would argue that humans are cultivated according to a variety of situations, some leading to selfishness others leading to more altruistic individuals.Which is simply to say you reap what you sow.

 

[Gigantomachia]

The premise of the thread is wrong to the core. Those that wake up in the morning, show up to work, school etc and consitently do the right thing consistently do better in life than those that don't. Period. Those that work harder better faster do better than those that don't.

Basic bootstrap theory.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Two years ago my companies kired a new CEO, he stayed about 4 months and then resigned, big huge red flag IMHO. He got more money in his golden parachute and I will make in my entire career here. I would hard everyday I get up go to work , even on weekends, and holidays.

People getting financial help with their mortgages after they bought homes they could not afford.

People getting paid more to stay at home and live on welfare than to work for a living.

You want a few more?

But what did he do that was irresponsible?

 

[perry147]

Two years ago my companies kired a new CEO, he stayed about 4 months and then resigned, big huge red flag IMHO. He got more money in his golden parachute and I will make in my entire career here. I would hard everyday I get up go to work , even on weekends, and holidays.

People getting financial help with their mortgages after they bought homes they could not afford.

People getting paid more to stay at home and live on welfare than to work for a living.

You want a few more?

But what did he do that was irresponsible?

The company rewarded him millions was irresponsible IMHO.

 

[timschochet]

Listen to Comrade Boxer!

I will work harder.

 

[roadkill1292]

The premise of the thread is wrong to the core. Those that wake up in the morning, show up to work, school etc and consitently do the right thing consistently do better in life than those that don't. Period. Those that work harder better faster do better than those that don't.

Basic bootstrap theory. :(

It's pretty sad that someone finds this path offensive. I would've added "invest in better skills" to Jackstraw's formula but that's about it.

 

[flufhed]

The premise of the thread is wrong to the core. Those that wake up in the morning, show up to work, school etc and consitently do the right thing consistently do better in life than those that don't. Period. Those that work harder better faster do better than those that don't.

Basic bootstrap theory. :(

You disagree with this as a general proposition?

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Two years ago my companies kired a new CEO, he stayed about 4 months and then resigned, big huge red flag IMHO. He got more money in his golden parachute and I will make in my entire career here. I would hard everyday I get up go to work , even on weekends, and holidays.

People getting financial help with their mortgages after they bought homes they could not afford.

People getting paid more to stay at home and live on welfare than to work for a living.

You want a few more?

But what did he do that was irresponsible?

The company rewarded him millions was irresponsible IMHO.

Was your company subsequently rewarded?

 

[perry147]

Two years ago my companies kired a new CEO, he stayed about 4 months and then resigned, big huge red flag IMHO. He got more money in his golden parachute and I will make in my entire career here. I would hard everyday I get up go to work , even on weekends, and holidays.

People getting financial help with their mortgages after they bought homes they could not afford.

People getting paid more to stay at home and live on welfare than to work for a living.

You want a few more?

But what did he do that was irresponsible?

The company rewarded him millions was irresponsible IMHO.

Was your company subsequently rewarded?

Not in the months he was there.

 

[Darth Cheney]

Because people are irresponsible in general, and our culture is a reflection of our people.

People are selfish in general, not irresponsible. Only when you take away the cost/benefit proposition of using one's own money does selfishness turn to irresponsibility.

I disagree, I think people are irresponsible in general.For instance, how many people put significant thought and effort into choosing who to vote for in elections? Not many, and in most cases, very few. That's irresponsible because through a lack of preparation and consideration, we're putting people into positions of power basically, on a whim, in many cases, or just based on parties in others. I think that's irresponsible.It's also irresponsible to sign for a loan on a house that is more that you can afford. It's also irresponsible for banks to loan money to people who clearly can't pay it back. Certainly selfishness drives the greed that justifies their irresponsibility in some cases, but the irresponsibility is there.

Thank you, adonis...you just proved why Obama is in the White House and why we have a Democratic Congress.Those that do not want to take responsibility for their needs and wants are looking to the current government to provide these needs and wants...via those that already took responsibility for those needs and wants.

What does that tell you about the system that there are more that do not want or are unable to take responsibility for their needs and wants? Are all these people just lazy? Are they just stupid?

 

[Death Bytes]

Because people are irresponsible in general, and our culture is a reflection of our people.

People are selfish in general, not irresponsible. Only when you take away the cost/benefit proposition of using one's own money does selfishness turn to irresponsibility.

I disagree, I think people are irresponsible in general.For instance, how many people put significant thought and effort into choosing who to vote for in elections? Not many, and in most cases, very few. That's irresponsible because through a lack of preparation and consideration, we're putting people into positions of power basically, on a whim, in many cases, or just based on parties in others. I think that's irresponsible.It's also irresponsible to sign for a loan on a house that is more that you can afford. It's also irresponsible for banks to loan money to people who clearly can't pay it back. Certainly selfishness drives the greed that justifies their irresponsibility in some cases, but the irresponsibility is there.

Thank you, adonis...you just proved why Obama is in the White House and why we have a Democratic Congress.Those that do not want to take responsibility for their needs and wants are looking to the current government to provide these needs and wants...via those that already took responsibility for those needs and wants.

Unfortunately for your position, it also explains why Bush won and we had a republican controlled congress for many years recently, and why clinton was elected, and then bush before him, then reagan....on and on...jfk...on and on.

The farther back you go, the less your argument applies. When "the great experiment" first started back in 1776, pretty much everyone who could vote took voting seriously. Who knew if such a radically new form of government could actually work? As time has progressed irresponsibility within voting has steadily increased.

In american politics, perhaps. In politics in general, probably not. In humanity, certainly not.

Macro level examples of democratic politics in the history of humanity are sparce.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Two years ago my companies kired a new CEO, he stayed about 4 months and then resigned, big huge red flag IMHO. He got more money in his golden parachute and I will make in my entire career here. I would hard everyday I get up go to work , even on weekends, and holidays.

People getting financial help with their mortgages after they bought homes they could not afford.

People getting paid more to stay at home and live on welfare than to work for a living.

You want a few more?

But what did he do that was irresponsible?

The company rewarded him millions was irresponsible IMHO.

Was your company subsequently rewarded?

Not in the months he was there.

Then your example has nothing to do with the thread title.

 

[perry147]

Two years ago my companies kired a new CEO, he stayed about 4 months and then resigned, big huge red flag IMHO. He got more money in his golden parachute and I will make in my entire career here. I would hard everyday I get up go to work , even on weekends, and holidays.

People getting financial help with their mortgages after they bought homes they could not afford.

People getting paid more to stay at home and live on welfare than to work for a living.

You want a few more?

But what did he do that was irresponsible?

The company rewarded him millions was irresponsible IMHO.

Was your company subsequently rewarded?

Not in the months he was there.

Then your example has nothing to do with the thread title.

Thread title:"Why do we live in a culture

, that rewards irresponsibility"Company rewards a CEO millions after a few months work.

Therefore the company rewarded a man who left a job much more then people who stay and work.

 

[Dr Zoidberg]

Our culture is not irresponsible it is greedy and inhuman.

 

[Gigantomachia]

The premise of the thread is wrong to the core. Those that wake up in the morning, show up to work, school etc and consitently do the right thing consistently do better in life than those that don't. Period. Those that work harder better faster do better than those that don't.

Basic bootstrap theory.

You disagree with this as a general proposition?

Depends in how general. I do not accept that hard work = success.

 

[Gigantomachia]

The premise of the thread is wrong to the core. Those that wake up in the morning, show up to work, school etc and consitently do the right thing consistently do better in life than those that don't. Period. Those that work harder better faster do better than those that don't.

Basic bootstrap theory.

It's pretty sad that someone finds this path offensive. I would've added "invest in better skills" to Jackstraw's formula but that's about it.

What is sad is the blindness with which this proposition is perpetuated.

 

[Dr Zoidberg]

Poeple like the OP and its supporters are whats wrong with our culture. Our culture is designed around getting ahead by stealing from others either legally/illegally or directly/indirectly.

Then those theives turn around and call their victims irresponsible.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[The Commish]

People who think they are helping often times are actually doing more damage.

This is very true.Welfare was set up to help those who had no other way to survive, but then after awhile people started to exploit it.By rewarding bad behavior you will encourage bad behavior.

To take the welfare example a step further, the system pays more to those with children....have more kids, get more money. This makes sense on a short term compassionate level, but it can create a lot of long term societal complications. I doubt many would disagree with the concept of helping those in need, but the problems come from helping those who don't or shouldn't have to need it, or need it as much.Obviously identifying the issues is simple, solutions are the tricky part.

We could even extend this to corporate welfare. If Ford can't make and sell cars at a profitable margin they need to close.If you work for Ford or rely on Ford for your business , guess what? Time to find something new.

by both of you here.This is what well intentioned "programs" have evolved into. The reson this has happened is because government either didn't have the forsight to account for abusers of the system or they didn't care.

 

[bueno]

Poeple like the OP and its supporters are whats wrong with our culture. Our culture is designed around getting ahead by stealing from others either legally/illegally or directly/indirectly.Then those theives turn around and call their victims irresponsible.You should be ashamed of yourself.

You are weird, sir.

 

[Dr Zoidberg]

Poeple like the OP and its supporters are whats wrong with our culture. Our culture is designed around getting ahead by stealing from others either legally/illegally or directly/indirectly.Then those theives turn around and call their victims irresponsible.You should be ashamed of yourself.

You are weird, sir.

no im right

 

[Gigantomachia]

Poeple like the OP and its supporters are whats wrong with our culture. Our culture is designed around getting ahead by stealing from others either legally/illegally or directly/indirectly.Then those theives turn around and call their victims irresponsible.You should be ashamed of yourself.

You are weird, sir.

And you are part of the herd, the point is?

 

[bueno]

Poeple like the OP and its supporters are whats wrong with our culture. Our culture is designed around getting ahead by stealing from others either legally/illegally or directly/indirectly.Then those theives turn around and call their victims irresponsible.You should be ashamed of yourself.

You are weird, sir.

no im right

I think to call everyone who has gotten ahead a thief shows a certain amount of jealousy on your part.

 

[bueno]

Poeple like the OP and its supporters are whats wrong with our culture. Our culture is designed around getting ahead by stealing from others either legally/illegally or directly/indirectly.Then those theives turn around and call their victims irresponsible.You should be ashamed of yourself.

You are weird, sir.

And you are part of the herd, the point is?

Part of the pack, get it right. The pack steals from the herd. Or put another way, predators stalk, prey runs. I can't run that well anymore to save my life, yet I am still here.

 

[Gigantomachia]

Poeple like the OP and its supporters are whats wrong with our culture. Our culture is designed around getting ahead by stealing from others either legally/illegally or directly/indirectly.Then those theives turn around and call their victims irresponsible.You should be ashamed of yourself.

You are weird, sir.

And you are part of the herd, the point is?

Part of the pack, get it right. The pack steals from the herd. Or put another way, predators stalk, prey runs. I can't run that well anymore to save my life, yet I am still here.

The pack will kill and/or abandon the weak; good luck.

 

[Death Bytes]

Poeple like the OP and its supporters are whats wrong with our culture. Our culture is designed around getting ahead by stealing from others either legally/illegally or directly/indirectly.Then those theives turn around and call their victims irresponsible.You should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[bueno]

Poeple like the OP and its supporters are whats wrong with our culture. Our culture is designed around getting ahead by stealing from others either legally/illegally or directly/indirectly.Then those theives turn around and call their victims irresponsible.You should be ashamed of yourself.

You are weird, sir.

And you are part of the herd, the point is?

Part of the pack, get it right. The pack steals from the herd. Or put another way, predators stalk, prey runs. I can't run that well anymore to save my life, yet I am still here.

The pack will kill and/or abandon the weak; good luck.

Then they become prey. Law of the jungle.

 

[Gigantomachia]

Poeple like the OP and its supporters are whats wrong with our culture. Our culture is designed around getting ahead by stealing from others either legally/illegally or directly/indirectly.Then those theives turn around and call their victims irresponsible.You should be ashamed of yourself.

You are weird, sir.

And you are part of the herd, the point is?

Part of the pack, get it right. The pack steals from the herd. Or put another way, predators stalk, prey runs. I can't run that well anymore to save my life, yet I am still here.

The pack will kill and/or abandon the weak; good luck.

Then they become prey. Law of the jungle.

Explains America's high respect for the elderly.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Two years ago my companies kired a new CEO, he stayed about 4 months and then resigned, big huge red flag IMHO. He got more money in his golden parachute and I will make in my entire career here. I would hard everyday I get up go to work , even on weekends, and holidays.

People getting financial help with their mortgages after they bought homes they could not afford.

People getting paid more to stay at home and live on welfare than to work for a living.

You want a few more?

But what did he do that was irresponsible?

The company rewarded him millions was irresponsible IMHO.

Was your company subsequently rewarded?

Not in the months he was there.

Then your example has nothing to do with the thread title.

Thread title:"Why do we live in a culture

, that rewards irresponsibility"Company rewards a CEO millions after a few months work.

Therefore the company rewarded a man who left a job much more then people who stay and work.

It's not irresponsible to resign from a job. The guy did his job and then resigned, then the company paid him a bunch of money. The company may have been irresponsible, but the CEO didn't do anything irresponsible.Again, your example has nothing to do with the thread title.

 

[perry147]

Two years ago my companies kired a new CEO, he stayed about 4 months and then resigned, big huge red flag IMHO. He got more money in his golden parachute and I will make in my entire career here. I would hard everyday I get up go to work , even on weekends, and holidays.

People getting financial help with their mortgages after they bought homes they could not afford.

People getting paid more to stay at home and live on welfare than to work for a living.

You want a few more?

But what did he do that was irresponsible?

The company rewarded him millions was irresponsible IMHO.

Was your company subsequently rewarded?

Not in the months he was there.

Then your example has nothing to do with the thread title.

Thread title:"Why do we live in a culture

, that rewards irresponsibility"Company rewards a CEO millions after a few months work.

Therefore the company rewarded a man who left a job much more then people who stay and work.

It's not irresponsible to resign from a job. The guy did his job and then resigned, then the company paid him a bunch of money. The company may have been irresponsible, but the CEO didn't do anything irresponsible.Again, your example has nothing to do with the thread title.

What is so hard about this?The company was irresponsible.

 

[Fennis]

Two years ago my companies kired a new CEO, he stayed about 4 months and then resigned, big huge red flag IMHO. He got more money in his golden parachute and I will make in my entire career here. I would hard everyday I get up go to work , even on weekends, and holidays.

People getting financial help with their mortgages after they bought homes they could not afford.

People getting paid more to stay at home and live on welfare than to work for a living.

You want a few more?

But what did he do that was irresponsible?

The company rewarded him millions was irresponsible IMHO.

Was your company subsequently rewarded?

Not in the months he was there.

Then your example has nothing to do with the thread title.

Thread title:"Why do we live in a culture

, that rewards irresponsibility"Company rewards a CEO millions after a few months work.

Therefore the company rewarded a man who left a job much more then people who stay and work.

It's not irresponsible to resign from a job. The guy did his job and then resigned, then the company paid him a bunch of money. The company may have been irresponsible, but the CEO didn't do anything irresponsible.Again, your example has nothing to do with the thread title.

What is so hard about this?The company was irresponsible.

Did this feel like an Abbott and Costello routine to anyone else?

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Did this feel like an Abbott and Costello routine to anyone else?

 

[brutha]

People who think they are helping often times are actually doing more damage.

This is very true.Welfare was set up to help those who had no other way to survive, but then after awhile people started to exploit it.By rewarding bad behavior you will encourage bad behavior.

We used to say "responsibility" as if we meant "dealing with the consequences of our decisions". Now we use responsibility in phrases like "Take responsibility for our community and our economy" and it means "making sure others don't have to deal with the consequences of their bad decisions".

EXACTLY, both well said

We all choose our own reality. If the responsible people refuse to fight for what they believe in, and the irresponsible people DO fight for what they want, then you get an irresponsible culture.

sadly this is also very well said. "the silent majority" deserve as much blame as anyone. squeaky wheel gets the grease.

I have never bought, nor found any actual support, for the claim that humans are "naturally" selfish.

this is really a topic for another thread but it's also either a lame fishing trip or tragically blind. everything that every human being does is ultimately selfish.

 

[brutha]

Thoughts?

Name a culture where people are responsible. Then tell me that you would actually want to live in that culture.

switzerland, find me a decent-paying job and I'm there but your analogy is flawed because it implies living in a 'responsible culture' is somewhere people wouldnt' want to live; there could be many other reasons not to want to live there. actually I would like to live in that culture here, it'd be about heavenly in fact, I don't wish to move to another country.back to the question....basically, the 60s. since then, we have for the last several decades been spiralling downward to a ridiculously hypersensitive and non-accountable era where stupidity is king and common sense is abhorred. that guy a lush? it's not his fault for hoisting that bottle and getting hammered every night.....he has a "disease." johnny is a spoiled brat who won't do his homework and pay attention in class? not his fault, or his parents' - he has ADD and pass the ritalin. so what if his so-called parents spoiled him rotten? that's not why he isn't well-behaved (his dad thought about spanking him once - abusive SOB - but learned he might to go jail so had to back off). johnny a fat little slob? not THEIR fault he refuses to eat anything but chicken nuggets and pizza - after all, what can they do about it? they're only the parents, they couldn't make him do something he doesn't want to. (if they really want to lay down the law they take away one of his 50 video games but amazingly it doesn't seem to have much effect - nor does sending him to his room where he has his own TV and computer - go figure) so on and so on.

 

[roadkill1292]

The premise of the thread is wrong to the core. Those that wake up in the morning, show up to work, school etc and consitently do the right thing consistently do better in life than those that don't. Period. Those that work harder better faster do better than those that don't.

Basic bootstrap theory.

It's pretty sad that someone finds this path offensive. I would've added "invest in better skills" to Jackstraw's formula but that's about it.

What is sad is the blindness with which this proposition is perpetuated.

So what are you saying? No, hard work doesn't equal success all by itself. And sometimes people are financially successful without working hard or being responsible. But to deny that it is generally a crucial part of success is the very definition of blindness. Only a few people out there are successfully gaming the system. The rest are getting there the old fashioned way and to resent them for it reflects poorly on yourself.

 

[roadkill1292]

Poeple like the OP and its supporters are whats wrong with our culture. Our culture is designed around getting ahead by stealing from others either legally/illegally or directly/indirectly.Then those theives turn around and call their victims irresponsible.You should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[brutha]

to deny that it is generally a crucial part of success is the very definition of blindness. Only a few people out there are successfully gaming the system.

 

[Gigantomachia]

The premise of the thread is wrong to the core. Those that wake up in the morning, show up to work, school etc and consitently do the right thing consistently do better in life than those that don't. Period. Those that work harder better faster do better than those that don't.

Basic bootstrap theory.

It's pretty sad that someone finds this path offensive. I would've added "invest in better skills" to Jackstraw's formula but that's about it.

What is sad is the blindness with which this proposition is perpetuated.

So what are you saying? No, hard work doesn't equal success all by itself. And sometimes people are financially successful without working hard or being responsible. But to deny that it is generally a crucial part of success is the very definition of blindness. Only a few people out there are successfully gaming the system. The rest are getting there the old fashioned way and to resent them for it reflects poorly on yourself.

You completely misunderstand the point. And I find the veiled insult hilarious.The point is that success is a matter of a wide range of variables, not the least of which is opportunity, which some naively believe is equal in this country. I am not saying effort is unnecessary, that would be silly, but to think effort = hard work and that in turn produces success is just silly.

 

[roadkill1292]

The premise of the thread is wrong to the core. Those that wake up in the morning, show up to work, school etc and consitently do the right thing consistently do better in life than those that don't. Period. Those that work harder better faster do better than those that don't.

Basic bootstrap theory.

It's pretty sad that someone finds this path offensive. I would've added "invest in better skills" to Jackstraw's formula but that's about it.

What is sad is the blindness with which this proposition is perpetuated.

So what are you saying? No, hard work doesn't equal success all by itself. And sometimes people are financially successful without working hard or being responsible. But to deny that it is generally a crucial part of success is the very definition of blindness. Only a few people out there are successfully gaming the system. The rest are getting there the old fashioned way and to resent them for it reflects poorly on yourself.

You completely misunderstand the point. And I find the veiled insult hilarious.The point is that success is a matter of a wide range of variables, not the least of which is opportunity, which some naively believe is equal in this country. I am not saying effort is unnecessary, that would be silly, but to think effort = hard work and that in turn produces success is just silly.

We're just talking past one another. Of course effort without opportunity is generally fruitless, as is opportunity without effort.I think you're looking for a negative when some of us applaud extraordinary effort and I don't understand why. What's the downside?

 

[Scotch Rocks]

Poeple like the OP and its supporters are whats wrong with our culture. Our culture is designed around getting ahead by stealing from others either legally/illegally or directly/indirectly.Then those theives turn around and call their victims irresponsible.You should be ashamed of yourself.

You are weird, sir.

no im right

I think to call everyone who has gotten ahead a thief shows a certain amount of jealousy on your part.

I think to declare thieves as being "ahead" without even considering contrary hypotheses shows a monumental amount of brainwashing. I've lived in penthouses and on communes. The communes have better people in them. 100% to 0. Cities are full of zombies. Places devoted to simplicity are full of the living. Those who look at lives and evaluate them economically are pieces of human ####.Zoidberg has the best post in the thread.

 

[Scotch Rocks]

Two years ago my companies kired a new CEO, he stayed about 4 months and then resigned, big huge red flag IMHO. He got more money in his golden parachute and I will make in my entire career here. I would hard everyday I get up go to work , even on weekends, and holidays.

People getting financial help with their mortgages after they bought homes they could not afford.

People getting paid more to stay at home and live on welfare than to work for a living.

You want a few more?

But what did he do that was irresponsible?

The company rewarded him millions was irresponsible IMHO.

Was your company subsequently rewarded?

Not in the months he was there.

Then your example has nothing to do with the thread title.

Thread title:"Why do we live in a culture

, that rewards irresponsibility"Company rewards a CEO millions after a few months work.

Therefore the company rewarded a man who left a job much more then people who stay and work.

It's not irresponsible to resign from a job. The guy did his job and then resigned, then the company paid him a bunch of money. The company may have been irresponsible, but the CEO didn't do anything irresponsible.Again, your example has nothing to do with the thread title.

What is so hard about this?The company was irresponsible.

Did this feel like an Abbott and Costello routine to anyone else?

Except it was more like Abbott and a damp sponge.Perry: your hypothesis = society REWARDS irresponsibility.

Your premise = my company was irresponsible, therefore based on my hypothesis THEY must have been rewarded.

Yet when you can't justify this, you bluster and accuse the other party of ignorance?

America is full of dullards like this and bueno who aren't capable of rational analysis. They think they're the predators, but they're really the herd. It's comical, and it's why this country is such a laughing stock worldwide, and a rapidly collapsing house of cards at home.

 

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Poeple like the OP and its supporters are whats wrong with our culture. Our culture is designed around getting ahead by stealing from others either legally/illegally or directly/indirectly.Then those theives turn around and call their victims irresponsible.You should be ashamed of yourself.

You are weird, sir.

And you are part of the herd, the point is?

Part of the pack, get it right. The pack steals from the herd. Or put another way, predators stalk, prey runs. I can't run that well anymore to save my life, yet I am still here.

The pack will kill and/or abandon the weak; good luck.

Then they become prey. Law of the jungle.

Explains America's high respect for the elderly.

Case in point.

 

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Thoughts?

Name a culture where people are responsible. Then tell me that you would actually want to live in that culture.

switzerland, find me a decent-paying job and I'm there but your analogy is flawed because it implies living in a 'responsible culture' is somewhere people wouldnt' want to live; there could be many other reasons not to want to live there. actually I would like to live in that culture here, it'd be about heavenly in fact, I don't wish to move to another country.back to the question....basically, the 60s. since then, we have for the last several decades been spiralling downward to a ridiculously hypersensitive and non-accountable era where stupidity is king and common sense is abhorred. that guy a lush? it's not his fault for hoisting that bottle and getting hammered every night.....he has a "disease." johnny is a spoiled brat who won't do his homework and pay attention in class? not his fault, or his parents' - he has ADD and pass the ritalin. so what if his so-called parents spoiled him rotten? that's not why he isn't well-behaved (his dad thought about spanking him once - abusive SOB - but learned he might to go jail so had to back off). johnny a fat little slob? not THEIR fault he refuses to eat anything but chicken nuggets and pizza - after all, what can they do about it? they're only the parents, they couldn't make him do something he doesn't want to. (if they really want to lay down the law they take away one of his 50 video games but amazingly it doesn't seem to have much effect - nor does sending him to his room where he has his own TV and computer - go figure) so on and so on.

I blame Dr. Benjamin Spock. His theories on child care, which many Americans embraced, led us here.

 

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Poeple like the OP and its supporters are whats wrong with our culture. Our culture is designed around getting ahead by stealing from others either legally/illegally or directly/indirectly.Then those theives turn around and call their victims irresponsible.You should be ashamed of yourself.

You are weird, sir.

no im right

I think to call everyone who has gotten ahead a thief shows a certain amount of jealousy on your part.

I think to declare thieves as being "ahead" without even considering contrary hypotheses shows a monumental amount of brainwashing. I've lived in penthouses and on communes. The communes have better people in them. 100% to 0. Cities are full of zombies. Places devoted to simplicity are full of the living. Those who look at lives and evaluate them economically are pieces of human ####.Zoidberg has the best post in the thread.

He is completely wrong about everyone who has gotten ahead being a thief. I too have been a hippy and a king (figuratively speaking). While being a king is better, I don't see the ratio as 100% to 0%. Each side has its bad apples. Sorry you met so many bad apples that had money. Some of the wealthiest people in America are also our greatest philanthropists.And BTW: many of us who do have money chose not to live in cities.

 

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Except it was more like Abbott and a damp sponge.Perry: your hypothesis = society REWARDS irresponsibility.Your premise = my company was irresponsible, therefore based on my hypothesis THEY must have been rewarded.Yet when you can't justify this, you bluster and accuse the other party of ignorance?America is full of dullards like this and bueno who aren't capable of rational analysis. They think they're the predators, but they're really the herd. It's comical, and it's why this country is such a laughing stock worldwide, and a rapidly collapsing house of cards at home.

And people like you who are too stupid to know when they are being played with.