Why don't coaches see this coming (1 Viewer)

[Gatorman]

BB is no fool, but when the patriots are in big games, their running game goes out the window. BB will put his team in the Hands of Brady and go all day.

Every time they face a tough defense (especially against the run) they spread the field. So why don't coaches adapt.

Just once I'd love to see a coach pull a BB and have a NT, 4 LB, and 6 DBs on the field when the patriots take the field on offense.

Finally, it annoys me even more that other coaches still refuse to see what BB has done to revolutionize the game. Get smart players that are interchangeable (on both sides of the ball, btw) and coach them well.

The only coach who even comes close to what BB is doing now was shula in his heyday in terms of adaptability. All the other coaches these days just have "their system" and they run it.

Gator

PS. 6-0 Patriots vs 0-6 Dolphins next week. God help us (although a Miami upset would not completely surprise me if Jason Taylor comes to play)

 

[Colin Dowling]

Excellent points all around. I am surprised at how little defenses will adjust midgame against the Patriots. After the Cowboys kicked the field goal instead of going for it on 4th and 5, I told my BIL that if they wanted to win, they needed to switch the defense immediately and try to throw the Pats off for one series. If they gave up a score, it was going to be OVER. Defend against the pass completely, rush 8, send Roy Williams (who can't cover anyone anyway) up the middle every snap,k go to a 4-3. ANYTHING.

 

[Urinal Mint]

Excellent points all around. I am surprised at how little defenses will adjust midgame against the Patriots. After the Cowboys kicked the field goal instead of going for it on 4th and 5, I told my BIL that if they wanted to win, they needed to switch the defense immediately and try to throw the Pats off for one series. If they gave up a score, it was going to be OVER. Defend against the pass completely, rush 8, send Roy Williams (who can't cover anyone anyway) up the middle every snap,k go to a 4-3. ANYTHING.

I think Dallas may be saving their kitchen sink for another day. Kind of a "break in case of Super Bowl" thing.

 

[Colin Dowling]

Excellent points all around. I am surprised at how little defenses will adjust midgame against the Patriots. After the Cowboys kicked the field goal instead of going for it on 4th and 5, I told my BIL that if they wanted to win, they needed to switch the defense immediately and try to throw the Pats off for one series. If they gave up a score, it was going to be OVER. Defend against the pass completely, rush 8, send Roy Williams (who can't cover anyone anyway) up the middle every snap,k go to a 4-3. ANYTHING.

I think Dallas may be saving their kitchen sink for another day. Kind of a "break in case of Super Bowl" thing.

Maybe so. Maybe so. They are in pretty good shape, all things considered. They have a stretch of games against beatable opponents and still get Green Bay, IIRC. While I'm sure Pats fans will think the contrary, I think New England probably had to show a little more of their playbook then they wanted yesterday. The Colts are probably glad to see NE challenged like that and try to learn from it.

 

[PMENFAN]

BB is no fool, but when the patriots are in big games, their running game goes out the window. BB will put his team in the Hands of Brady and go all day. Every time they face a tough defense (especially against the run) they spread the field. So why don't coaches adapt.Just once I'd love to see a coach pull a BB and have a NT, 4 LB, and 6 DBs on the field when the patriots take the field on offense. Finally, it annoys me even more that other coaches still refuse to see what BB has done to revolutionize the game. Get smart players that are interchangeable (on both sides of the ball, btw) and coach them well. The only coach who even comes close to what BB is doing now was shula in his heyday in terms of adaptability. All the other coaches these days just have "their system" and they run it.GatorPS. 6-0 Patriots vs 0-6 Dolphins next week. God help us (although a Miami upset would not completely surprise me if Jason Taylor comes to play)

I think they just don't have the personnel to do what you suggest. I think Dallas was relatively prepared for it, it's just too much. There's too many good receivers, adn the line is too good, and you've got Brady back there. Conin suggests rushing 8. I don't think that works. Send 3 receivers out in single coverage? You might get Brady, but I think they still move the ball in large chunks. your point about Miami is a good one. They have been a recent thorn in our side, especially if they've got the line calls.

 

[Arnold. S]

well they might not run 9 straight running plays like they did against the Bengals, but they did try to run Sammy Morris quite a few times in the 1st half before he went out, but sammy was averaging less than 2 yards a carry, so they had to focus on passing more

 

[PMENFAN]

well they might not run 9 straight running plays like they did against the Bengals, but they did try to run Sammy Morris quite a few times in the 1st half before he went out, but sammy was averaging less than 2 yards a carry, so they had to focus on passing more

Good point. I think they have both packages ready, and depending on what they see, they have the ability to adjust to exploit the weakness that is discovered.

 

[Bossman]

All good ideas but I'm sure that opposing coaches are up to the wee hours of the night trying to devise a way to slow down the Pats. Anything we could think of here has already been thought of... and it wouldn't / doesn't work.

I don't expect the Pats to go undefeated but it'll take a few mistakes / turnovers by them to lose a game.

 

[pollardsvision]

Excellent points all around. I am surprised at how little defenses will adjust midgame against the Patriots. After the Cowboys kicked the field goal instead of going for it on 4th and 5, I told my BIL that if they wanted to win, they needed to switch the defense immediately and try to throw the Pats off for one series. If they gave up a score, it was going to be OVER. Defend against the pass completely, rush 8, send Roy Williams (who can't cover anyone anyway) up the middle every snap,k go to a 4-3. ANYTHING.

I think Dallas may be saving their kitchen sink for another day. Kind of a "break in case of Super Bowl" thing.

whatever makes you sleep well at night.

 

[Ariakis]

My bold prediction: ADP will be mostly shut down next week if not injured against the Dallas D who can shut down good RB's on great offenses ... next they get a great RB on a horrible offense and can stack against the run.

Regardng that game the Ware injury hurt ... not having Henry really hurt ... penalties were killer. They didn't play well enough to win but played well enough to be in the game until late. People talk blowout however until the 4th quarter Romo INT the game was very much in doubt. Cowboys should have gone for the TD late. Refs did the Cowboys no favors either especially in plays involving TO who is being pushed out of bounds regularly but never given the call.

 

[Phurfur]

Excellent points all around. I am surprised at how little defenses will adjust midgame against the Patriots. After the Cowboys kicked the field goal instead of going for it on 4th and 5, I told my BIL that if they wanted to win, they needed to switch the defense immediately and try to throw the Pats off for one series. If they gave up a score, it was going to be OVER. Defend against the pass completely, rush 8, send Roy Williams (who can't cover anyone anyway) up the middle every snap,k go to a 4-3. ANYTHING.

I think Dallas may be saving their kitchen sink for another day. Kind of a "break in case of Super Bowl" thing.

WOW! I can't believe I just read this.

 

[Intergalactic Kegger]

BB is no fool, but when the patriots are in big games, their running game goes out the window. BB will put his team in the Hands of Brady and go all day. Every time they face a tough defense (especially against the run) they spread the field. So why don't coaches adapt.Just once I'd love to see a coach pull a BB and have a NT, 4 LB, and 6 DBs on the field when the patriots take the field on offense. Finally, it annoys me even more that other coaches still refuse to see what BB has done to revolutionize the game. Get smart players that are interchangeable (on both sides of the ball, btw) and coach them well. The only coach who even comes close to what BB is doing now was shula in his heyday in terms of adaptability. All the other coaches these days just have "their system" and they run it.GatorPS. 6-0 Patriots vs 0-6 Dolphins next week. God help us (although a Miami upset would not completely surprise me if Jason Taylor comes to play)

The Patriots haven't really ever been big on the running game to begin with. They use dink passes just like the run. I think every year, they have more passes than runs. This is a passing team.

 

[pollardsvision]

in this respect, the colts and pats have many things in common:

1-knowing how to stop them and actually being able to do it are wildly different things

2-you simply must get pressure with 4 or 5 guys, b/c blitzing them is always a big mistake

3-they control the middle of the field, so you must have a MLB that's athletic and smart enought of to cover an inordinate amount of space

4-both QBs can pull off a 6-9 minute drive at anytime. this ability is huge and demoralizes opponents.

5-both systems rely on great pre-snap and in-play decision making of it's players. you can't defend that with coaching, the defensive players must be able to match wits on their own, which is a huge task.

6-neither team can lose unless they make mistakes AND your offense can sustain incredibly long scoring drives to just keep the offense off the field.

7-then there's the abiltiy for both teams to kill you deep when the opportunity presents itself. (that may be the most improved aspect of the pats that takes them from a gritty, great team to possibly all-time great and maybe unstoppable).

i'm not a colts or a pats fan (i'm a jags fan and hate the colts), but i appreciate both of them. once you get past the envy, both teams a just a joy to watch.

anybody that can't enjoy watching these 2 teams play just has too many personal biases in the way or just doesn't love football.

 

[Sopranos]

I think one of the problems is they can be stopped. On passing plays they have options at every level. If there is any pressure(Dallas did put more pressure than any team so far) Brady dumps the ball to Welker of Faulk within 2 seconds. If he has time he goes to Moss if open.. If Moss is covered he goes to he goes to Stallworth or Watson. If they are all covered It goes incomplete or as a sack. The latter doent happen much and its almost impossible to do consistantly. It has as many options as the Colts. So Brady is the only one that can stop them..Goodluck with that

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

BB is no fool, but when the patriots are in big games, their running game goes out the window. BB will put his team in the Hands of Brady and go all day.

Every time they face a tough defense (especially against the run) they spread the field. So why don't coaches adapt.

Just once I'd love to see a coach pull a BB and have a NT, 4 LB, and 6 DBs on the field when the patriots take the field on offense.

Finally, it annoys me even more that other coaches still refuse to see what BB has done to revolutionize the game. Get smart players that are interchangeable (on both sides of the ball, btw) and coach them well.

The only coach who even comes close to what BB is doing now was shula in his heyday in terms of adaptability. All the other coaches these days just have "their system" and they run it.

Gator

PS. 6-0 Patriots vs 0-6 Dolphins next week. God help us (although a Miami upset would not completely surprise me if Jason Taylor comes to play)

The bolded part is incredibly annoying. BB is simply a brilliant coach, that's why he is so good at adapting. It's so obnoxious when "3-4 coaches" have to clean house upon taking over a new team....because they can't coach the 4-3. A true coach takes talented players and puts them in a position to make plays. BB does exactly that. Which is why guys like Sammy Morris and Wes Welker thrive in the NE system. Most coaches simply aren't smart enough to adapt like BB does.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Excellent points all around. I am surprised at how little defenses will adjust midgame against the Patriots. After the Cowboys kicked the field goal instead of going for it on 4th and 5, I told my BIL that if they wanted to win, they needed to switch the defense immediately and try to throw the Pats off for one series. If they gave up a score, it was going to be OVER. Defend against the pass completely, rush 8, send Roy Williams (who can't cover anyone anyway) up the middle every snap,k go to a 4-3. ANYTHING.

Dallas was spent on defense. Through the first 2.5 quarters, Dallas was able to put moderate pressure on Brady (probably the most I've seen on him this year) but they also committed some very costly penalties. Dallas also couldn't get New England off the field on 3rd down's and kept long drives going.In summary, even though I was happy with the pass rush at times, there was NO WAY they could keep that up and they had nothing left at the end of the game. Dallas was dominating in stopping the run but in the 4th quarter they couldn't stop anything. They were a tired and beaten team that gave everything they could given the situation.I know what you're saying Gator, he let's football players be football players. If Gortowski (sp?) goes down, you'd probably see Welker kicking extra points.

 

[bostonfred]

The Patriots haven't really ever been big on the running game to begin with. They use dink passes just like the run. I think every year, they have more passes than runs. This is a passing team.

The Patriots have 202 rushing attempts so far, compared with 204 pass attempts. They are 8th in the league in pass attempts, but lead the league in rushing attempts. Going into the game yesterday, they averaged 3 more rush attempts than pass attempts per game. Yesterday, they ran the ball 29 times, but passed it 46 times. because their backup RB got hurt while their starter was already out. It had nothing to do with this being a big game. It had everything to do with the Dallas D successfully stopping the run. Morris had 10 rushes for 14 yards in the first half before leaving with injury.

 

[Bad_Mo]

Call me crazy, but I'm more worried about NE playing in MIA than I was about yesterday's game.

MIA gets in Brady's head.

 

[Bossman]

Call me crazy, but I'm more worried about NE playing in MIA than I was about yesterday's game.MIA gets in Brady's head.

alright... your crazy.

 

[dirtywaters20]

The Patriots haven't really ever been big on the running game to begin with. They use dink passes just like the run. I think every year, they have more passes than runs. This is a passing team.

The Patriots have 202 rushing attempts so far, compared with 204 pass attempts. They are 8th in the league in pass attempts, but lead the league in rushing attempts. Going into the game yesterday, they averaged 3 more rush attempts than pass attempts per game. Yesterday, they ran the ball 29 times, but passed it 46 times. because their backup RB got hurt while their starter was already out. It had nothing to do with this being a big game. It had everything to do with the Dallas D successfully stopping the run. Morris had 10 rushes for 14 yards in the first half before leaving with injury.

Seriously, with one-dimensional safeties like Williams, Hamlin why wouldn't you attack them through the air? Henry didn't even play and Newman still isn't 100%. A big day from the secondary receivers is no surprise to me.

 

[JohnnyU]

BB is no fool, but when the patriots are in big games, their running game goes out the window. BB will put his team in the Hands of Brady and go all day.

Every time they face a tough defense (especially against the run) they spread the field. So why don't coaches adapt.

Just once I'd love to see a coach pull a BB and have a NT, 4 LB, and 6 DBs on the field when the patriots take the field on offense.

Finally, it annoys me even more that other coaches still refuse to see what BB has done to revolutionize the game. Get smart players that are interchangeable (on both sides of the ball, btw) and coach them well.

The only coach who even comes close to what BB is doing now was shula in his heyday in terms of adaptability. All the other coaches these days just have "their system" and they run it.

Gator

PS. 6-0 Patriots vs 0-6 Dolphins next week. God help us (although a Miami upset would not completely surprise me if Jason Taylor comes to play)

The bolded part is incredibly annoying. BB is simply a brilliant coach, that's why he is so good at adapting. It's so obnoxious when "3-4 coaches" have to clean house upon taking over a new team....because they can't coach the 4-3. A true coach takes talented players and puts them in a position to make plays. BB does exactly that. Which is why guys like Sammy Morris and Wes Welker thrive in the NE system. Most coaches simply aren't smart enough to adapt like BB does.

Did BB become smart after leaving Cleveland or before?

 

[butcher boy]

You also dont know if BB is using other means to spy on other teams. With the clear attitude he has of doing whatever it takes to win, I doubt a slap on the wrist will all of a sudden change his outlook, especially now that the entire incident is forgotten and NBC is calling them the "greatest team ever".

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

The Pats would have no problems running the ball 70% of the time if they were facing dime defenses all game. This approach won't work all that well.

That said, I would have liked to have seen the Cowboys try this when Morris got injured. Kevin Faulk vs. Moss/Welker/Stallworth is a huge mismatch.

 

[pollardsvision]

BB is no fool, but when the patriots are in big games, their running game goes out the window. BB will put his team in the Hands of Brady and go all day.

Every time they face a tough defense (especially against the run) they spread the field. So why don't coaches adapt.

Just once I'd love to see a coach pull a BB and have a NT, 4 LB, and 6 DBs on the field when the patriots take the field on offense.

Finally, it annoys me even more that other coaches still refuse to see what BB has done to revolutionize the game. Get smart players that are interchangeable (on both sides of the ball, btw) and coach them well.

The only coach who even comes close to what BB is doing now was shula in his heyday in terms of adaptability. All the other coaches these days just have "their system" and they run it.

Gator

PS. 6-0 Patriots vs 0-6 Dolphins next week. God help us (although a Miami upset would not completely surprise me if Jason Taylor comes to play)

The bolded part is incredibly annoying. BB is simply a brilliant coach, that's why he is so good at adapting. It's so obnoxious when "3-4 coaches" have to clean house upon taking over a new team....because they can't coach the 4-3. A true coach takes talented players and puts them in a position to make plays. BB does exactly that. Which is why guys like Sammy Morris and Wes Welker thrive in the NE system. Most coaches simply aren't smart enough to adapt like BB does.

Did BB become smart after leaving Cleveland or before?

just like pretty much every great coach in nfl history, he became brilliant when he got a highly intelligent and highly talented QB.manning made dungy a genius.

elway made shanny a genius.

carson is the only reason marvin still has a job.

marino may be the reason shula didn't retire in the '80's

imo, it doesn't fit with walsh. i think walsh made montana look great.

the lack of a great QB may be the only reason we don't consider schotty an all-time great coach (he'd likely have ring if had one)

 

[pollardsvision]

and culpepper/cunningham/george to moss has given brian billick the "offensive genius" monicker for far too long

 

[dirtywaters20]

BB is no fool, but when the patriots are in big games, their running game goes out the window. BB will put his team in the Hands of Brady and go all day.

Every time they face a tough defense (especially against the run) they spread the field. So why don't coaches adapt.

Just once I'd love to see a coach pull a BB and have a NT, 4 LB, and 6 DBs on the field when the patriots take the field on offense.

Finally, it annoys me even more that other coaches still refuse to see what BB has done to revolutionize the game. Get smart players that are interchangeable (on both sides of the ball, btw) and coach them well.

The only coach who even comes close to what BB is doing now was shula in his heyday in terms of adaptability. All the other coaches these days just have "their system" and they run it.

Gator

PS. 6-0 Patriots vs 0-6 Dolphins next week. God help us (although a Miami upset would not completely surprise me if Jason Taylor comes to play)

The bolded part is incredibly annoying. BB is simply a brilliant coach, that's why he is so good at adapting. It's so obnoxious when "3-4 coaches" have to clean house upon taking over a new team....because they can't coach the 4-3. A true coach takes talented players and puts them in a position to make plays. BB does exactly that. Which is why guys like Sammy Morris and Wes Welker thrive in the NE system. Most coaches simply aren't smart enough to adapt like BB does.

Did BB become smart after leaving Cleveland or before?

He was smart then too but inexperienced. He seems to have learned from his early mistakes. The same can't be said for the majority of head coaches in the NFL.