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why don't the patriots go for culpepper (1 Viewer)

He came into Steelers camp after Batch went down, along with Leftwich. Leftwich won the battle. Daunte never recovered from his back injury. Just doesn't have it anymore.

It's really too bad. At his prime (which turned out to only be a year or two) he was actually one of the very best quarterbacks in the NFL.

 
Bringing in a new QB at this point would mean Belichick made a mistake with Cassel. BB never makes mistakes, therefore no new QB in NE.

 
Because, as stated earlier, this isn't 2003. It says something that Culpepper couldn't get a job anywhere. Put plainly, the man, removed from his original offense in Minny, just is not good.

Part of the problem is that he thinks he IS that good. He still believes he's a top 5 NFL QB. I'm sure he could be serviceable, but his head isn't in the right place for that to happen.

The Packers offered him a $1M/1yr deal prior to the draft. He flat out rejected it because it wasn't to be the unquestioned starter. Will someone please get C-Pep a wakeup call?

More? He also serves as his own agent, which makes teams not want to deal with him. Many things are said in negotiations that players never hear. When a player represents himself, he typically is not able to remain objective when doing the business side of things. Do you think Daunte would be able to do that? Uhh ... no.

Finally, the Pats want a QB who will try to limit mistakes. That was never Culpepper's game even when he was good.

 
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The Patriots need to do something. Sammy Morris has dropped off the cliff in the last two games. I haven't able been able to watch any more than the highlights, but it looks obvious the Pats can't move the ball with Cassel at QB. Whether he knows the system or not, it doesn't look like he's ready for the big time as he has done no better than mediocre in almost 3 games as a starter with all the offensive talent available.

It would look like a panic move, but the Patriots need to do something at all signs point to the QB.

The reason they were out of the game today was defense, but they aren't going anywhere if they can't move the ball.

At this point, why not look at Culpepper even with all of this baggage?

 
It is useless to have Moss out there if they won't throw it to him. Cassell has probably been told 1000 times not to throw into double coverage but Moss is the exception to the rule. Find a way Matt, just sling it to him already. He's taller or faster(or both) than anyone coverring him so just place the ball well and he'll get it. Aside from Welker, they're all complimentary players with no one to be feeding off of.

Either BB widdled down the offense too much for Matt or he's too scared to take any chances or both. (Said it earlier, I'll say it again) It felt like there were 25 5 yard passes today.

 
Bringing in a new QB at this point would mean Belichick made a mistake with Cassel. BB never makes mistakes, therefore no new QB in NE.
:rant: This is exactly what I came in here to post. BB is too arrogant to admit he was wrong.
I dont really understand this sentiment. It seems so -over the top- ridiculous.Belichick cares about one thing and that is winning. If he thought that Culpepper would transform this team into a championship contender again, i have no doubt that he and Pioli would go and get himCassel has been the backup for something like four years. He knows the offense and Belichick obviously has some comfort level with him. Cassel doesnt seem to make a ton of mistakes. He isnt the type of quarterback to go out there and sling the football around. He is in there to manage the game. The wheels completely fell off of the defense yesterday. The pats (with Cassel at the helm) are not going to be able to overcome a big deficit. For this team to have a chance, the defense needs to be first rate.
 
Cassel looked terrible in spite of the defensive woes. You don't really know what you've got until real game situations and it doesn't look good. Brady not only excels at the most important position but it affects the whole team in play and demeanor. What was ugliest to me is Cassels inaccuracy on even short throws. A lot of the local media buys into this "...if he can manage the game" or "just don't do anything to hurt the team..." This is a bunch of garbage and surprisingly ignorant (or wishful). If he can't make PLAYS and deep throws and be accurate and mobile, play smart, and take chances... he'll manage the team to a 7-9 or 8-8 record and no playoffs. He plays scared and he's overwhelmed- now we know what we have. Maybe he can find something but I don't foresee it. It's also easy to forget the 25 pts or so when you win 45-25, like last year, but now those pts are a big problem. Teams will bunch in if the deep threat is not there... we're in for a long year as Pats fans.

 
Bringing in a new QB at this point would mean Belichick made a mistake with Cassel. BB never makes mistakes, therefore no new QB in NE.
:goodposting: This is exactly what I came in here to post. BB is too arrogant to admit he was wrong.
I dont really understand this sentiment. It seems so -over the top- ridiculous.Belichick cares about one thing and that is winning. If he thought that Culpepper would transform this team into a championship contender again, i have no doubt that he and Pioli would go and get himCassel has been the backup for something like four years. He knows the offense and Belichick obviously has some comfort level with him. Cassel doesnt seem to make a ton of mistakes. He isnt the type of quarterback to go out there and sling the football around. He is in there to manage the game. The wheels completely fell off of the defense yesterday. The pats (with Cassel at the helm) are not going to be able to overcome a big deficit. For this team to have a chance, the defense needs to be first rate.
I agree with your last sentiment. They only allowed 10ppg the first two games. Most any QB could win with a D like that..well I'd like to think so.(repeating what a friend of mine said)I'm not sure Bellichick ever said Cassell would be a good starter.I think that's very interesting. More than maybe any other coach, BB has been around some huge QB controversies Kosar and Simms being replaced were huge. "Old Kosar" was actually replaced with someone about the same age. Brady replacing Bledsoe was highly discussed. Maybe Cassell is simply the perfect backup to have around.We never think like that. We think or daydream of guys like Brady coming in and taking the league by storm. Yet some of the bestbackups in the last 20 years-Jason Garrett, Jeff Rutledge, Frank Reich weren't very good starters. I hadn't taken the time to think of it this way. Not sure how you guys feel. If this is the case, then yeah they'd better get someone like Culpepper or put O'Connell in. Or maybe he's thinking something like young Shaun King and the Bucs making it to the NFC championship game.I guess my Q is, what type of backup is Cassell?
 
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Cassel: C-

Run defense: F

Pass defense: B-

Special Teams: A-

Oline: C-

RBBC: C-

Welker: A-

Moss: B-

Gaffney: B+

One game.

NE got HOUSED by Miami.

Gonna be interesting to watch going forward; lots of opportunity for haters to be gleeful in the coming weeks.

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Bringing in a new QB at this point would mean Belichick made a mistake with Cassel. BB never makes mistakes, therefore no new QB in NE.
Boy, I hope you're wrong, but I'm a bit concerned you're not. Cassel doesn't look like the answer, and I'm not sure what the Pats see in him that make them think he is.
 
*When it comes to his team BB is far from arrogant. Cold and ruthless? Absolutely. Yet, he's not arrogant and every decision he makes is to help the team get better. It's pure business with BB. Now that doesn't mean he hasn't made his share of mistakes (i.e. Duane Starks, Monty Beisel, Chad Jackson, Bethel Johnson are prime examples) but he's never continued with a mistake to the detriment of his team...and if you think he does than you don't follow this team.

*Culpepper isn't the answer. First and foremost he doesn't know the system. Secondly, if he had something left in the tank (or enough to actually start) 32 teams would not be letting him watch football on TV on Sundays.

*Cassel's performance yesterday doesn't concern me as much as the D and O line. With Cassel's limited experience a tough performance was going to happen at some point. If it continues for three or four weeks than it becomes a real problem. What was very scary yesterday was the Pats D and O line getting dominated by a subpar team. If that performance is not an abberation but a sign of things to come it's going to be a long season because #12 is not there to bail them out.

 
Guys, it's only one game. Before that, everyone was saying the Jets were now the favorites in the division, and NE went down to NY and beat the Jets.

Yes, their run defense did look pretty poor. But maybe the coaching staff was expecting a close game, and didn't game plan for a blowout. Cassel may not have it, but it's way too early to bury him.

 
timschochet said:
He came into Steelers camp after Batch went down, along with Leftwich. Leftwich won the battle. Daunte never recovered from his back injury. Just doesn't have it anymore.

It's really too bad. At his prime (which turned out to only be a year or two) he was actually one of the very best quarterbacks in the NFL.
Leftwich did not win the battle. The Steelers tried to sign both of them to the veteren minimum and have both of them there. Culpepper thought this was a slap in the face. The Steelers didn't think that was worth more than that.Star Tribune Article from Sept. 5

Culpepper isn't the same guy he was during his prime. He has trouble reading disguised defenses and makes bad decisions. They might as well bring in Jeff George for a tryout if Culpepper is the best option.

 

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