Why have a pre-NFL Draft ranking for Top Rooks. (1 Viewer)

[Maroney=Speed]

2005:

1.C.Williams

2.C.Benson

3.R.Brown

How Drafts looked that year in Rook drafts.

JJ Arrington went as high as 3. E.Shelton went higher then He should have gone as well.

F.Gore went low.

2006:

1.R.Bush

2.L.Maroney

3.J.Addai

L.White moved way up, and so did J.Addai

2007:

1.All Day

2.M.Lynch

3.B.Jackson

B.Jackson moved way up.

Point is Talent wins out, not a average Rb in a good place.

Jeff Pasquino would say Location,Location and Location. Jeff this is the NFL not Real Estate.

My buddy Ro3384 would say 'Rankings before the NFL is a waste of time' REALLY.

So if you had pick 1.03 the last three years you would have drafted.

2005-JJ Arrington

2006-L.White

2007-B.Jackson

I'll add in this years 1.3, mistake by the Lake.

2008-J.Stewart

Can you say Championship, no you can't. Not with those guys.

Here's Blooms write up on Jan.31 2005.

3 studs (benson, cadillac, brown)

stud talent (fason)

workhorses (morency, mcclendon, arrington)

power backs (harris, jacobs)

RBBC in college with feature talent (shelton, barber, houston)

elusive little guys (moats, sproles)

interesting gambles (clarett, gore, nash, davis)

Not picking on Bloom. To be honest I think He was correct on most.

So GREAT job Bloom.

Yep, pre-rankings is a waste of time. I see Matt Forte as maybe being that guy who gets drafted too high.

Feed back would be nice, trying to get knowledgeable feed back could be a problem. But one can only try.

 

[beto]

What's wrong with Lendale?

 

[Maroney=Speed]

What's wrong with Lendale?

Could of had D.Williams. I know not much better. But still.I for one don't like L.White. Never did.

 

[DropKick]

2005:1.C.Williams2.C.Benson3.R.BrownHow Drafts looked that year in Rook drafts.JJ Arrington went as high as 3. E.Shelton went higher then He should have gone as well.F.Gore went low. 2006:1.R.Bush2.L.Maroney3.J.AddaiL.White moved way up, and so did J.Addai2007:1.All Day2.M.Lynch3.B.JacksonB.Jackson moved way up.Point is Talent wins out, not a average Rb in a good place.Jeff Pasquino would say Location,Location and Location. Jeff this is the NFL not Real Estate.My buddy Ro3384 would say 'Rankings before the NFL is a waste of time' REALLY.So if you had pick 1.03 the last three years you would have drafted.2005-JJ Arrington2006-L.White2007-B.JacksonI'll add in this years 1.3, mistake by the Lake.2008-J.StewartCan you say Championship, no you can't. Not with those guys.Here's Blooms write up on Jan.31 2005.3 studs (benson, cadillac, brown)stud talent (fason)workhorses (morency, mcclendon, arrington)power backs (harris, jacobs)RBBC in college with feature talent (shelton, barber, houston)elusive little guys (moats, sproles)interesting gambles (clarett, gore, nash, davis)Not picking on Bloom. To be honest I think He was correct on most.So GREAT job Bloom.Yep, pre-rankings is a waste of time. I see Matt Forte as maybe being that guy who gets drafted too high.Feed back would be nice, trying to get knowledgeable feed back could be a problem. But one can only try.

Or your 1.3 could have been Ronnie Brown, Joseph Addai and Calvin Johnson...I don't have a problem with predraft discussion. I mean... (this is a football message board?) it raises the general awareness level, not to mention making the NFL Draft a little more interesting at a time when the clock says baseball. One general rule I have is to beware the guy who comes out of nowhere and shoots up the rankings during or (worse) after his last college season. Often this guy is a product of hype.... Let's think Ryan Leaf here.One could argue the entire '05 group was a bust. Major injuries to Caddy and Brown, with the jury still out on Brown. I won't even mention the other guy by name. No surprise Arrington went as high as he did... high demand position, productive college career in a position of opportunity. Gore went low because of his injury history. No more, no less.'06? I recall Addai being relatively high and he moved up a notch when chosen by Indy. Lendale? I don't recollect him ever be that highly touted.'07? Top 3 were clearly ADP, Lynch and CJ2, with Calvin higher in PPR formats. Someone has to go at #4 and Jackson had a better opportunity than most.So your point is its easier to rank people a couple years after the fact? Or is that guys like Arrington and Brandon Jackson went too high? Its safe to say they did but what was the root cause? Was it the rankings themselves or the prevalent FF mindset to draft RBs until the cows come home? If you're drafting high in a dynasty draft, the likely glaring hole on your roster is RB and everyone is aware your chances of finding one late are limited. You have to take your chances here.Stewart? I'd like to know more about his injury status but, from what I've heard, I wouldn't mind him at the #3 or #4 spot. This year seems to be different from most with a relatively big group of RBs and someone will get a bargain a little later than usual in fantasy drafts.One thing I will guarantee though... you can rank them now and someone could poke holes in your rankings two years from now with the benefit of hindsight.

 

[pinequick]

Feed back would be nice, trying to get knowledgeable feed back could be a problem. But one can only try.

What's wrong with Lendale?

Could of had D.Williams. I know not much better. But still.I for one don't like L.White. Never did.

Fair enough...

 

[Tecmo]

Jeff Pasquino would say Location,Location and Location. Jeff this is the NFL not Real Estate.

Addai is all location, look at how well Kenton Keith did filling in. Location is a big deal, after all it is a team game. Even talents like Randy Moss can be buried by the talent around him. It's why Priest Holmes was decent in Baltimore and a stud in KC. You'd be a fool to discard situation. Shoot, most leagues are redrafts where you're looking for immediate value and situation is fastest route.

 

[ThePittbully]

I love it

When people type

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You're making a statement, not writing a poem

 

[Maroney=Speed]

I love itWhen people typeLike ThisYou're making a statement, not writing a poem

Say what? That didn't Rhyme.

 

[Interseptopus]

Jeff Pasquino would say Location,Location and Location. Jeff this is the NFL not Real Estate.

Addai is all location, look at how well Kenton Keith did filling in. Location is a big deal, after all it is a team game. Even talents like Randy Moss can be buried by the talent around him. It's why Priest Holmes was decent in Baltimore and a stud in KC. You'd be a fool to discard situation. Shoot, most leagues are redrafts where you're looking for immediate value and situation is fastest route.

Location is everything. A guy like Kurt Warner can go to STL and be an MVP... then he can go to NYG or ARI and be "okay"...Guys drafted ahead of Addai: Bush, he's doing well, but Addai is top 3, Bush is notMaroney, good rookie year... but what did he do last yearD. Williams, who? Oh yeah, him... forgot about him...Then Addai.Hell, White was drafted second round and he's done better than Williams, Maroney.But how they were ranked before the draft? Probably in that order. So yes, pre-draft rankings really don't matter much. Why don't you just cool it for about a month and THEN rank your rookies once you see where they landed...

I love itWhen people typeLike ThisYou're making a statement, not writing a poem

 

[gianmarco]

Anyone else cringe while trying to read that?

P.S.--Is Stewart destined for failure because his arms are too short?

 

[Maroney=Speed]

Jeff Pasquino would say Location,Location and Location. Jeff this is the NFL not Real Estate.

Addai is all location, look at how well Kenton Keith did filling in. Location is a big deal, after all it is a team game. Even talents like Randy Moss can be buried by the talent around him. It's why Priest Holmes was decent in Baltimore and a stud in KC. You'd be a fool to discard situation. Shoot, most leagues are redrafts where you're looking for immediate value and situation is fastest route.

Location is everything. A guy like Kurt Warner can go to STL and be an MVP... then he can go to NYG or ARI and be "okay"...

I love itWhen people typeLike ThisYou're making a statement, not writing a poem

I see you, are your same oldself. Hows finishing near the bottom of your League just about every year.Please don't say, 'What are you talking about'. I found a League you play in.Yep you like picking guys on were they go B.Jackson.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

Anyone else cringe while trying to read that?P.S.--Is Stewart destined for failure because his arms are too short?

I see, you have alot to add. Like always.

 

[gianmarco]

Anyone else cringe while trying to read that?P.S.--Is Stewart destined for failure because his arms are too short?

I see, you have alot to add. Like always.

Tough to add on something that was never there to begin with.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

Anyone else cringe while trying to read that?P.S.--Is Stewart destined for failure because his arms are too short?

So how do you measure someone's Vert.?Thanks, I can't wait for you to get back on this one.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

Anyone else cringe while trying to read that?P.S.--Is Stewart destined for failure because his arms are too short?

So how do you measure someone's Vert.?Thanks, I can't wait for you to get back on this one.

Folks it will be awhile.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

Next up yellowdog.

 

[Interseptopus]

My buddy Ro3384 would say 'Rankings before the NFL is a waste of time' REALLY.So if you had pick 1.03 the last three years you would have drafted.2005-JJ Arrington2006-L.White2007-B.JacksonI'll add in this years 1.3, mistake by the Lake.2008-J.StewartCan you say Championship, no you can't. Not with those guys.

If I had the third pick of a RB rookie draft before the NFL draft (which would be absolutely stupid, but I'll play along)... I would have taken guys who have opportunity. Here's my picks 05-08 evenIn 2005 I probably would have taken (honestly) Frank Gore. I loved him coming out of college. I was not a fan of Arrington, and figured him in ARI would not be a good fit. 1, they did not have a good offensive line. 2, arizona just sucks. I wouldn't have taken Shelton becasue Carolina had Foster at the time. I would have been VERY tempted to take Cadillac Williams, but my fantasy football league mates would testify to the fact that I really don't like RBs who shared the load in college, I don't think they're durable enough to handle a full load, which was why I was down on Addai this year, but he proved me wrong and I was the first to admit that. I would have taken Frank Gore though. Here's a guy who's quick, big, strong. He's coming into a good situation in SF and he'd be a good pick down the road, which proved right in 2006, but not 2007In 2006 I assume Bush is #1, Maroney 2, Addai 3 (for the same reasons I didn't take Shelton I would assume no one would take Williams). I would be very tempted to take D-Will. I wouldn't have taken White (see above, plus he's a fatass.) I would have taken Norwood. Same reasons to take Gore- great situation as Dunn was aging and Norwood is very quick and explosive. Unfortunately that pick would not have turned out for me, and I would have been stuck with a decent 3rd down change of pace back. In fact, I was big on Norwood this season, but that didn't work out too well, good thing I didn't draft him.In 2007 I assume AP would be #1, Lynch #2. This is where me being a homer would step in and I would have taken Brandon Jackson. Why not. This guy looked good coming out of college. He was in a zone blocking scheme in college and would be able to share the load with Morencey until midway through the season when he'd take over. Unfortunately he didn't really pan out, but thank God Grant turned out to be awesome.Now that I look back on those picks... again, I pick those guys based off of where they landed, so I guess I didn't pick them "before the NFL draft". Had I picked before the draft I'd be stuck with guys like D.Williams, Arrington or Shelton, and quite possibly Kenny Irons who I was big on. But take a look at what those guys have done. I would have ranked them #3 on my RB list in their respectable years, but they were taken by teams that really didn't give them much of a chance!!! So there's my point exactly- why look at rookie RBs BEFORE the draft when you have NO idea where they will end up. What happens if SD took a RB round 1 and he was the #3 RB? I really doubt he'd be #3 at the end of the season among his fellow rookie RBs. In 2008 I like Stewart. I think he'll be thrust into a great situation where he won't have to shoulder the entire load his first year, he'll be able to grow in the NFL and I honestly think he'll be the most productive and have the best career of any NFL RB in this classEDIT: I see in 2006 I had Addai already picked at 3, looks like I would have taken him then. I liked him a lot more than Norwood. Forgot that I had the third selection, not 4.I'm done playing this game, this guy is a moron. It's like arguing politics...

 

[Interseptopus]

Jeff Pasquino would say Location,Location and Location. Jeff this is the NFL not Real Estate.

Addai is all location, look at how well Kenton Keith did filling in. Location is a big deal, after all it is a team game. Even talents like Randy Moss can be buried by the talent around him. It's why Priest Holmes was decent in Baltimore and a stud in KC. You'd be a fool to discard situation. Shoot, most leagues are redrafts where you're looking for immediate value and situation is fastest route.

Location is everything. A guy like Kurt Warner can go to STL and be an MVP... then he can go to NYG or ARI and be "okay"...

I love itWhen people typeLike ThisYou're making a statement, not writing a poem

I see you, are your same oldself. Hows finishing near the bottom of your League just about every year.Please don't say, 'What are you talking about'. I found a League you play in.Yep you like picking guys on were they go B.Jackson.

We don't have a rookie draft- so I don't have to deal with that. We draft every year with keepers. So most rookies don't even get drafted.Yes, I drafted Brandon Jackson. Who wouldn't. He was set up to succeed and he failed. Oh well, big deal. I got him for $1 at our auction draft, so it was worth a fliar. It either would have turned out fantastic or it would have turned out not so great. I didn't lose much, I had LT and a very solid team. So I could afford to take a fliar on a rookie RB who could pay off big time.

 

[Interseptopus]

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ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh peace and quiet at last. No 13 year olds with nothing else better to do than pick arguments like this... grow up kid. Get laid, have a beer... oh wait... you probably can't do either of those yet huh?

 

[Maroney=Speed]

Jeff Pasquino would say Location,Location and Location. Jeff this is the NFL not Real Estate.

Addai is all location, look at how well Kenton Keith did filling in. Location is a big deal, after all it is a team game. Even talents like Randy Moss can be buried by the talent around him. It's why Priest Holmes was decent in Baltimore and a stud in KC. You'd be a fool to discard situation. Shoot, most leagues are redrafts where you're looking for immediate value and situation is fastest route.

Location is everything. A guy like Kurt Warner can go to STL and be an MVP... then he can go to NYG or ARI and be "okay"...

I love itWhen people typeLike ThisYou're making a statement, not writing a poem

I see you, are your same oldself. Hows finishing near the bottom of your League just about every year.Please don't say, 'What are you talking about'. I found a League you play in.Yep you like picking guys on were they go B.Jackson.

We don't have a rookie draft- so I don't have to deal with that. We draft every year with keepers. So most rookies don't even get drafted.Yes, I drafted Brandon Jackson. Who wouldn't. He was set up to succeed and he failed. Oh well, big deal. I got him for $1 at our auction draft, so it was worth a fliar. It either would have turned out fantastic or it would have turned out not so great. I didn't lose much, I had LT and a very solid team. So I could afford to take a fliar on a rookie RB who could pay off big time.

Can't take the truth.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

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I guess your upset I found your League. If I was you I would be as well.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

Well that didn't take long. I did post this. 'Feed back would be nice, trying to get knowledgeable feed back could be a problem. But one can only try'. Most can't offer up anything of value. When someone does they TRY to poke holes in it. I may be 13 years old, but I look older.

 

[Crippler]

Pre draft evaluation would be for trades basically. I do a 4 round mock of my 16 team league to try and determine what value I should put on picks that are being asked for or being inquired about. One league my buddy just acquried the 38th pick overall and with pre-draft evaluation he expects to either get a top notch D player or a guy like Jordy Nelson. Good to have these images in your mind.

And one of my leagues does draft the 1st round the day before the NFL draft so love the pre-draft evaluations.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

So if you had pick 1.03 in the last 3 rook drafts who did you pick? In the 2008 if you have pick 1.03 and both McFadden and Mendenhall are picked who will you take with pick 1.03?

 

[Interseptopus]

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I guess your upset I found your League. If I was you I would be as well.

No, I finished 3rd in my league. I'm consistantly top 3 heading into the playoffs. I just can't get it done in the playoffs. And I really don't care much about if you foudn my league or not- just further proves that you ahve WAY too much time on your hands. Get a life kid. I know I have one, which is why fantasy football is not my life and why I don't finish 1st every year... I have better things to do, like work on my doctorate degree in PT

 

[Maroney=Speed]

Pre draft evaluation would be for trades basically. I do a 4 round mock of my 16 team league to try and determine what value I should put on picks that are being asked for or being inquired about. One league my buddy just acquried the 38th pick overall and with pre-draft evaluation he expects to either get a top notch D player or a guy like Jordy Nelson. Good to have these images in your mind. And one of my leagues does draft the 1st round the day before the NFL draft so love the pre-draft evaluations.

Thanks for the feed back. So pick 2.04 for you with IDP included. It's worth or equal to 20-26 best off. player in a 12 team non IDP league.So as high as 2.08, too as low as 3.02. So some body like Steve Slaton,Tashard Choice,Keenan Burton. Top 5 DB. Top 5 LB, or DE.Do you draft on need or BP?

 

[Maroney=Speed]

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I guess your upset I found your League. If I was you I would be as well.

No, I finished 3rd in my league. I'm consistantly top 3 heading into the playoffs. I just can't get it done in the playoffs. And I really don't care much about if you foudn my league or not- just further proves that you ahve WAY too much time on your hands. Get a life kid. I know I have one, which is why fantasy football is not my life and why I don't finish 1st every year... I have better things to do, like work on my doctorate degree in PT

Use spell check next time.

 

[Crippler]

Pre draft evaluation would be for trades basically. I do a 4 round mock of my 16 team league to try and determine what value I should put on picks that are being asked for or being inquired about. One league my buddy just acquried the 38th pick overall and with pre-draft evaluation he expects to either get a top notch D player or a guy like Jordy Nelson. Good to have these images in your mind. And one of my leagues does draft the 1st round the day before the NFL draft so love the pre-draft evaluations.

Thanks for the feed back. So pick 2.04 for you with IDP included. It's worth or equal to 20-26 best off. player in a 12 team non IDP league.So as high as 2.08, too as low as 3.02. So some body like Steve Slaton,Tashard Choice,Keenan Burton. Top 5 DB. Top 5 LB, or DE.Do you draft on need or BP?

I own pick 1.16 in the day before draft and dont have a clue who I will take. I have a list of 25 O players that could possibly go in round 1 of our draft. Rules change things as we can start 1 or 2 QB's per week compared to 12 team league. We could see 5 QB's go in round 1. 10 RB's and there is about 8 WR's. Throw in TE and PK which hold nice value in this league also and things get hectic. I love all picks going into mid 4th when talking about this draft and what you can get. I think a mid 2nd in this years draft equals late 1st in most other years. mid 3rd = late 2nd as in most drafts you see 3 or 4 D players in the 2nd round and this year the 1st D player may not happen till round 3.

 

[Riffraff]

Hindsight is 20/20

You can use the search function to see the January 06 rankings.

Bush walked on water, turned water into wine, and saved the football world from darkness.

DeAngelo was the solid pick being a starter and an all-time NCAA rushing phenom.

Addai was barely a top 10 RB in talent. Location was his only saving grace.

Lendale was a top 3 guy based on talent, a top 10-15 draft pick.

Maroney was a chicken legged prospect that shared the ball too much.

Maurice Drew (before his name change) could have been a first round RB if he wasn't so short.

Norwood was a chicken-legged fast guy that ran funny.

Nobody had Addai in their top 3. He was a draft day riser like JJ Arrington and Brandon Jackson.

He just happened to work out pretty well.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

Pre draft evaluation would be for trades basically. I do a 4 round mock of my 16 team league to try and determine what value I should put on picks that are being asked for or being inquired about. One league my buddy just acquried the 38th pick overall and with pre-draft evaluation he expects to either get a top notch D player or a guy like Jordy Nelson. Good to have these images in your mind. And one of my leagues does draft the 1st round the day before the NFL draft so love the pre-draft evaluations.

Thanks for the feed back. So pick 2.04 for you with IDP included. It's worth or equal to 20-26 best off. player in a 12 team non IDP league.So as high as 2.08, too as low as 3.02. So some body like Steve Slaton,Tashard Choice,Keenan Burton. Top 5 DB. Top 5 LB, or DE.Do you draft on need or BP?

I own pick 1.16 in the day before draft and dont have a clue who I will take. I have a list of 25 O players that could possibly go in round 1 of our draft. Rules change things as we can start 1 or 2 QB's per week compared to 12 team league. We could see 5 QB's go in round 1. 10 RB's and there is about 8 WR's. Throw in TE and PK which hold nice value in this league also and things get hectic. I love all picks going into mid 4th when talking about this draft and what you can get. I think a mid 2nd in this years draft equals late 1st in most other years. mid 3rd = late 2nd as in most drafts you see 3 or 4 D players in the 2nd round and this year the 1st D player may not happen till round 3.

Besides Ryan at QB. I don't like any others. Ryan as you know will be gone. 1.16 tough spot to be in.But a good one if it's because you won your League last year. Did you try trading up? Or down?

 

[Maroney=Speed]

Hindsight is 20/20You can use the search function to see the January 06 rankings.Bush walked on water, turned water into wine, and saved the football world from darkness.DeAngelo was the solid pick being a starter and an all-time NCAA rushing phenom.Addai was barely a top 10 RB in talent. Location was his only saving grace.Lendale was a top 3 guy based on talent, a top 10-15 draft pick.Maroney was a chicken legged prospect that shared the ball too much.Maurice Drew (before his name change) could have been a first round RB if he wasn't so short.Norwood was a chicken-legged fast guy that ran funny.Nobody had Addai in their top 3. He was a draft day riser like JJ Arrington and Brandon Jackson. He just happened to work out pretty well.

How is what I wrote Hindsight? I said Addai moved up on Location and the only one who it workout for.The rest all failed. So my point was, You better have some clue on value and how talent each RB is before the NFL draft.Of course you can continue to make the same mistake that Ro3384 does every year and finish at the bottom of your League.True FF is for fun. Just being in a League is what it's all about. So who is this years JJ or Jackson?Who will be this years Addai?

 

[ThePittbully]

30 post in this thread and more than half of them by the same guy

 

[Maroney=Speed]

30 post in this thread and more than half of them by the same guy

Your point? Question and answer is one too one. No?

 

[Riffraff]

How is what I wrote Hindsight? I said Addai moved up on Location and the only one who it workout for.

Unless I read your post wrong, you were saying Addai was a top 3 guy pre-NFL draft and LenDale was a draft riser. LenDale was a draft faller (in the NFL and in fantasy).I won't debate this further as you seem to live to argue. The majority of the thread shouldn't be you responding, it should be discussion by readers. If you learn to take criticism better, accept an error when you make one, and make adjustments on the fly... your posts can become real good ones.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

How is what I wrote Hindsight? I said Addai moved up on Location and the only one who it workout for.

Unless I read your post wrong, you were saying Addai was a top 3 guy pre-NFL draft and LenDale was a draft riser. LenDale was a draft faller (in the NFL and in fantasy).I won't debate this further as you seem to live to argue. The majority of the thread shouldn't be you responding, it should be discussion by readers. If you learn to take criticism better, accept an error when you make one, and make adjustments on the fly... your posts can become real good ones.

Ok, thanks.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

does fbg's even have any rankings up yet?

 

[Riffraff]

does fbg's even have any rankings up yet?

footballguys doesn't really do much rookie-based material. A little bit in the summer months, which is a regurgitation of what we all talk about the first week of May. A dynasty article or two each week during the season that may include rookies in it. The targeted audience is redraft/weekly material since that is where the money to run a website comes from. Their stepchild nfldraftguys does rookie material exclusively.

 

[TheFanatic]

Jeff Pasquino would say Location,Location and Location. Jeff this is the NFL not Real Estate.

Addai is all location, look at how well Kenton Keith did filling in. Location is a big deal, after all it is a team game. Even talents like Randy Moss can be buried by the talent around him. It's why Priest Holmes was decent in Baltimore and a stud in KC. You'd be a fool to discard situation. Shoot, most leagues are redrafts where you're looking for immediate value and situation is fastest route.

Yeah, and LT is all about location because Turner does well in his place. Or does Turner have skills on his own? Maybe Keith does too? Who knows but the logic that Keith does well in that system so anyone can is extremely flawed....

 

[DropKick]

Jeff Pasquino would say Location,Location and Location. Jeff this is the NFL not Real Estate.

Addai is all location, look at how well Kenton Keith did filling in. Location is a big deal, after all it is a team game. Even talents like Randy Moss can be buried by the talent around him. It's why Priest Holmes was decent in Baltimore and a stud in KC. You'd be a fool to discard situation. Shoot, most leagues are redrafts where you're looking for immediate value and situation is fastest route.

Yeah, and LT is all about location because Turner does well in his place. Or does Turner have skills on his own? Maybe Keith does too? Who knows but the logic that Keith does well in that system so anyone can is extremely flawed....

Extremely flawed? No, not really. We've seem James, Rhodes, Addai and Keith be very successful in that high powered offense. Would they do as well in a less potent offense? Probably not.

 

[ratbast]

I think its smart. Ranking pre-draft could prevent you from taking a guy like Hart or Slaton when they are drafted and rumored to start.

I drafted Arrington that year, moved up to get him.

Overrated as far as fantasy prowess: speed

Underrated as far as fantasy prowess: brains

Pre draft ranking allows you to see alittle through the hype. This year it could pay dividends for me. I plan on hyping the next JJArington so the guy ahead of me drafts him and I get the guy he should have taken.

Knowing the talent and guts of rooks can pay dividends later too. Those who didnt adjust their draft sheets after Barlow was sent packing didnt know about Gore's reputation/drive (or they were too scared of his injuries). I've learned many times over, that talent prevails and the "creme rises to the top". When you studied ADP all the injury fears also clouded the fact that his talent level was possibly in the realm Bo, Eric and others. I asked myself would I take Bo knowing about his injury?

If Stewart falls to a logjam he'll possibly fall farther than he should in rookie drafts.

 

[Tecmo]

Jeff Pasquino would say Location,Location and Location. Jeff this is the NFL not Real Estate.

Addai is all location, look at how well Kenton Keith did filling in. Location is a big deal, after all it is a team game. Even talents like Randy Moss can be buried by the talent around him. It's why Priest Holmes was decent in Baltimore and a stud in KC. You'd be a fool to discard situation. Shoot, most leagues are redrafts where you're looking for immediate value and situation is fastest route.

Yeah, and LT is all about location because Turner does well in his place. Or does Turner have skills on his own? Maybe Keith does too? Who knows but the logic that Keith does well in that system so anyone can is extremely flawed....

Funny you should mention SD, I have noticed a corralation between LT and Turner. When LT was breakin records, Turner was ripping over 6 yds a carry and running for 500 yds as a backup. LT and Turner came back down to earth last year, the team just wasn't as good

 

[teamroc]

Jeff Pasquino would say Location,Location and Location. Jeff this is the NFL not Real Estate.

Addai is all location, look at how well Kenton Keith did filling in. Location is a big deal, after all it is a team game. Even talents like Randy Moss can be buried by the talent around him. It's why Priest Holmes was decent in Baltimore and a stud in KC. You'd be a fool to discard situation. Shoot, most leagues are redrafts where you're looking for immediate value and situation is fastest route.

Yeah, and LT is all about location because Turner does well in his place. Or does Turner have skills on his own? Maybe Keith does too? Who knows but the logic that Keith does well in that system so anyone can is extremely flawed....

Funny you should mention SD, I have noticed a corralation between LT and Turner. When LT was breakin records, Turner was ripping over 6 yds a carry and running for 500 yds as a backup. LT and Turner came back down to earth last year, the team just wasn't as good

New to football?People dropped LT down because the Chargers were one of the worst teams in the league. By all accounts, it was an AWFUL place for LT to land.Situation is great for tie breakers. If you're a talent you're a talent. You'll get your touches. Good situations change. Coaches change. Brandon Jackson is the classic example. He was the consensus 1.04 pick. Addai went to a great situation, but it was still a first round pick. It's not like he was a 5th round pick. He had talent and situation.

 

[Donnybrook]

Hindsight is 20/20You can use the search function to see the January 06 rankings.Bush walked on water, turned water into wine, and saved the football world from darkness.DeAngelo was the solid pick being a starter and an all-time NCAA rushing phenom.Addai was barely a top 10 RB in talent. Location was his only saving grace.Lendale was a top 3 guy based on talent, a top 10-15 draft pick.Maroney was a chicken legged prospect that shared the ball too much.Maurice Drew (before his name change) could have been a first round RB if he wasn't so short.Norwood was a chicken-legged fast guy that ran funny.Nobody had Addai in their top 3. He was a draft day riser like JJ Arrington and Brandon Jackson. He just happened to work out pretty well.

This is how I remember the rankings as well. IIRC, many people were down on Maroney because he had an injury and didn't work out at the combine. Many thought that Lendale would look good in a Pittsburgh uniform and would pick up were Jerome Bettis left off. Many people were deeply in love with Brian Calhoun. Calhoun went before Maurice Drew in a couple of my drafts. I am not knocking pre-draft rankings. I love reading them because I don't have time to watch both NFL and college football games. First hand evaluation is always the best but you also have to know if people have a homer bias. I also know that the entire ranking can get turn on its head if lower ranked RBs end up finding ideal situations.

 

[ravnzfan]

does fbg's even have any rankings up yet?

footballguys doesn't really do much rookie-based material. A little bit in the summer months, which is a regurgitation of what we all talk about the first week of May. A dynasty article or two each week during the season that may include rookies in it. The targeted audience is redraft/weekly material since that is where the money to run a website comes from.Their stepchild nfldraftguys does rookie material exclusively.

[hjijack alert] not accurate, in the least

while still being worked on, the Dynasty Thread, pinned at the top of The Shark Pool, takes you to a variety of rookie-based material started by both board members and FBG's staff alike

Cudos to my friend Jeff Pasquino (former board member Jeff Eaglz), who did the the last couple years, and to Mike Anderson (former board member Drugrunner--author of 'Minimal WR theory') for operating the point while still a 'regular guy', before being hired on by David and Joe to push this Dynasty/rookie material along.

There is also a Dynasty tab on FBG's front page, which leads to articles and Dynasty Trade calculators

Where we are this offseason is light years ahead of anyone else in the industry (save NFLDraftguys, started by FBG members Cecil Lammney and Sigmond Bloom for the sole purpose of evaluation the rooks), and way ahead of where we were just a couple short years ago here

I started The Misfit and Outlaws Dynasty Family in 2003 w/1 league and very little info here or anywhere...

Today, as a result of the hard work of those mentioned along w/Cecil & Bloom from NFLDraftguys, 1st time dynasty players have sooo much more to work with when it comes to gathering info.

So, no...I disagree w/the notion that "FBG's doesn't really do much rookie-related material"

just need to know where to look!

[/hijack]

regarding the OT....

rankings---it's our nature and 'the law' of the game to rank players...either the top players for redraft purposes, or the top rooks for dynasty/keeper league purposes

I understand your point regarding the 1.3 the last few years--I feel very uneasy about the 3-5 slots in this years rookie drafts...I actually moved the 1.4 + '09-1st that appears to be in the 5-7 range next yr for the 1.2 this year (plus I own the 1.1 already)...I also own 3 more in the top 18, so there is some room to add some nice players to a team that needs help...after a crappy season, I needed more than what the 1.1 could offer and I decided that even if next yrs pick was a top 3, I'd rather have McFadden and Mendenhall on board now then just have 1 of them and risk the situation you elude to in your OP, where a 1.4 goes south based on taking a guy whose position 'on the board' shot up several spots weeks/months after his last game...AND have ??? about the pick in question that was moved from next yr (I do still have my own '09-1st)

 

[rabidfireweasel]

I think this year, it is wiser to decide if you have a have a strong preference/belief in talent disparity after the top three- as opposed to the top three. I really think, that except for a select few- it will be McFadden, Mendenhall, and Stewart. I like Jones at four, and think he has a chance to be a very good one. It is here where it gets tricky for me. I like/dislike things about Charles, Choice, Forte, Johnson, Rice and Smith. So I am going to do everything I can to sort it out before the draft, but if I can't, I would either

1) trade back to someone who had a preference of player

2) take the best situation, if the player was drafted in a reasonably high round.

 

[Riffraff]

does fbg's even have any rankings up yet?

footballguys doesn't really do much rookie-based material. A little bit in the summer months, which is a regurgitation of what we all talk about the first week of May. A dynasty article or two each week during the season that may include rookies in it. The targeted audience is redraft/weekly material since that is where the money to run a website comes from.Their stepchild nfldraftguys does rookie material exclusively.

[hjijack alert] not accurate, in the least

[/hijack]

Thanks for proving my point. We are talking rookie content in this discussion.

More information is provided by non-staff than staff. Bloggers are year round action, but can get the info elsewhere faster.

ndg is separate from fbg, though members are staff here. They link to their own website for a reason. It's their original content.

youtube links and blogger links are not original content, nor owned by fbg.

We can take this to PMs if you wish to discuss it further.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Anyone else cringe while trying to read that?P.S.--Is Stewart destined for failure because his arms are too short?

So how do you measure someone's Vert.?Thanks, I can't wait for you to get back on this one.

Let me be as nice as I can - turn the tool factor way down if you want to keep posting here. There are lots of boards where trying to be cute and doing the smack talk thing is fine, even encouraged. This isn't one of those boards.TIA.J

 

[Interseptopus]

Finally

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Jeff Pasquino would say Location,Location and Location. Jeff this is the NFL not Real Estate.

Addai is all location, look at how well Kenton Keith did filling in. Location is a big deal, after all it is a team game. Even talents like Randy Moss can be buried by the talent around him. It's why Priest Holmes was decent in Baltimore and a stud in KC. You'd be a fool to discard situation. Shoot, most leagues are redrafts where you're looking for immediate value and situation is fastest route.

Especially considering that a rookie is tied to that organization for 3-4 years.

 

[switz]

Yep, pre-rankings is a waste of time. I see Matt Forte as maybe being that guy who gets drafted too high.

I think what you posted does not support this position at all!All of the pre-draft rankings you posted seemed to be MORE accurate than the post draft (situation based) rankings. JJ Arrginton for instance, was not rated very highly, but then people thought because he was going to "get the rock" in ARI he was a good pick.. Same thing with Brandon Jackon. Before the draft everyone knew he was borderline NFL material, then he went to GB, who had no RBs and people thought he was the #3 or #4 overall rookie.Pre-draft rankings are based on talent. Post draft are clouded too much by situation. Michael Bennett also comes to mind, as many FF draftniks had him as the #1 RB when he went to MIN, but prior to the draft he was considered a very raw prospect.Again, rankings BEFORE the draft IMO are MORE ACCURATE than those afterward. And I think all your examples proved it.