Why is Beanie Wells not climbing rankings? (1 Viewer)

[kapp]

Still don't understand why Best is typically ranked/drafted so much higher than Wells. They have many similar concerns. If both are healthy, you have to assume Wells will get more carries.

 

[Andrew Garda]

Still don't understand why Best is typically ranked/drafted so much higher than Wells. They have many similar concerns. If both are healthy, you have to assume Wells will get more carries.

I would say better offense (if stafford is healthy) & better defense (closer games). I expect it to close a little more this week though.

 

[glong989]

Still don't understand why Best is typically ranked/drafted so much higher than Wells. They have many similar concerns. If both are healthy, you have to assume Wells will get more carries.

I would say better offense (if stafford is healthy) & better defense (closer games). I expect it to close a little more this week though.

Plus much, much more receptions and receiving yards..

 

[Multiple Scores]

What an utter waste of cyberspace this whole collection here. Really wish these infantile posts never made it from brain to keyboard. Thanks for cluttering the thread with garbage fellas.

Because he stinks?

Thanks for the contribution.

Seems on point to me.

That's nice. And you're entitled to that opinion.Doesn't make it a worthwhile contribution.

It's a proper explanation. How's that not a worthwhile contribution?

 

[ImTheScientist]

Still don't understand why Best is typically ranked/drafted so much higher than Wells. They have many similar concerns. If both are healthy, you have to assume Wells will get more carries.

Because people come into drafts with their ADP, fantasy Mag, and website rankings and don't think logically about things. Sheep, lemmings, group think...its why I typically avoid what most you say. For the most part people on message boards are cut, pasting, and re-arranging "experts" rankings when in reality most "experts" are just guys that get paid to write about FF for their job.

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

Still don't understand why Best is typically ranked/drafted so much higher than Wells. They have many similar concerns. If both are healthy, you have to assume Wells will get more carries.

Because people come into drafts with their ADP, fantasy Mag, and website rankings and don't think logically about things. Sheep, lemmings, group think...its why I typically avoid what most you say. For the most part people on message boards are cut, pasting, and re-arranging "experts" rankings when in reality most "experts" are just guys that get paid to write about FF for their job.

Some guys copy paste and dont actually know, but I know a fair share of guys on this site that do extensive homework and make there own decisions on players. so to a point your right, but its a bit cynical dont ya think ? I dont think your giving us enough credit

 

[TheFanatic]

I am not a Beanie fan at all. But after the Williams injury I traded for him in a dynasty league. I traded the 1.1 for him and the 1.4. SO basically I just traded Ingram for Wells and the fourth pick in a rookie draft. Not a fan of the player, but I like his situation. So, I guess he moved up my draft board so to speak although I'm not in any redraft leagues...

 

[ImTheScientist]

Still don't understand why Best is typically ranked/drafted so much higher than Wells. They have many similar concerns. If both are healthy, you have to assume Wells will get more carries.

Because people come into drafts with their ADP, fantasy Mag, and website rankings and don't think logically about things. Sheep, lemmings, group think...its why I typically avoid what most you say. For the most part people on message boards are cut, pasting, and re-arranging "experts" rankings when in reality most "experts" are just guys that get paid to write about FF for their job.

Some guys copy paste and dont actually know, but I know a fair share of guys on this site that do extensive homework and make there own decisions on players. so to a point your right, but its a bit cynical dont ya think ? I dont think your giving us enough credit

Nope, not cynical at all. There are always exceptions to the rule. I stand by what I say.

 

[DoubleG]

Still don't understand why Best is typically ranked/drafted so much higher than Wells. They have many similar concerns. If both are healthy, you have to assume Wells will get more carries.

Because people come into drafts with their ADP, fantasy Mag, and website rankings and don't think logically about things. Sheep, lemmings, group think...its why I typically avoid what most you say. For the most part people on message boards are cut, pasting, and re-arranging "experts" rankings when in reality most "experts" are just guys that get paid to write about FF for their job.

DING! (And very similar to what I said in post #10 of this thread).

 

[cvnpoka]

Still don't understand why Best is typically ranked/drafted so much higher than Wells. They have many similar concerns. If both are healthy, you have to assume Wells will get more carries.

Because people come into drafts with their ADP, fantasy Mag, and website rankings and don't think logically about things. Sheep, lemmings, group think...its why I typically avoid what most you say. For the most part people on message boards are cut, pasting, and re-arranging "experts" rankings when in reality most "experts" are just guys that get paid to write about FF for their job.

its proly a ppr vs standard thing. theres gonna be a huge discrepancy between the 2. best will catch 45 more balls than wells at least.

 

[Warhogs]

I am not a Beanie fan at all. But after the Williams injury I traded for him in a dynasty league. I traded the 1.1 for him and the 1.4. SO basically I just traded Ingram for Wells and the fourth pick in a rookie draft. Not a fan of the player, but I like his situation. So, I guess he moved up my draft board so to speak although I'm not in any redraft leagues...

I just traded for him in dynasty as well and I am still skeptical. I traded a 1st round pick next year that I expect should be in the bottom half of round 1 for Beanie. I'm not sold either but at 22 years old and with the opportunity to get carries he should have this year I felt he was worth moving a projected later round 1 pick for him.I am still not sold on Beanie either but if you look at his 2 year totals he has flashed some talent and has a career 4.0 YPC. He seems to be one of those polarizing players that a large group think he is very under rated and a large group think he is garbage.

 

[PhantomJB]

Still don't understand why Best is typically ranked/drafted so much higher than Wells. They have many similar concerns. If both are healthy, you have to assume Wells will get more carries.

Because people come into drafts with their ADP, fantasy Mag, and website rankings and don't think logically about things. Sheep, lemmings, group think...its why I typically avoid what most you say. For the most part people on message boards are cut, pasting, and re-arranging "experts" rankings when in reality most "experts" are just guys that get paid to write about FF for their job.

its proly a ppr vs standard thing. theres gonna be a huge discrepancy between the 2. best will catch 45 more balls than wells at least.

Yes. This makes a big difference but not all of it. Here are my projections in a 0.5 PPR to illustrate the point.PPR (Best = 201, Beanie = 173

19 J. Best 800 5 110 50 475 3 90.5 201

27 B. Wells 1000 8 148 20 150 0 25 173

Take away the receptions points...

Best = 176

Beanie = 163

Mileage may vary for indivdual owners and their projections, of course, but this could explain things a little.

 

[FLY IGGLES FLY]

That's what we're here for. It's a process. What the hell would I do if I couldn't debate with people in the SP? Sleep? Please....

I'm very glad to hear that you feel that way. I've dealt with a few staff members on other sites who got offended whenever I questioned them on the reasons for their rankings of specific players, when all I'm really trying to do is figure out why my thinking is different from yours. I know you can't get to every question in every thread, but it's great to get feedback from the site staff. Knowing why you like player A vs. player B always makes rankings far more useful to me.

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

Jeff Haseley has him ranked behind Jalen Parmele

 

[Sweetness_34]

I was surprised to see Wells still ranked about the 30th RB. He has virtually zero competition in the Cards backfield right now. If Wells projects to be the workhorse back and get goal line carries, shouldn't he be in the top 15-20 RBs? Is one of the unknowns on the Arizona roster expected to get the goal line carries? If so, who?

Becoz he is Beanie Wells. Situation does not mean that much when the talent stinks

 

[cobalt_27]

Jeff Haseley has him ranked behind Jalen Parmele

Not anymore he doesn't. But, even before RW's injury, that's pretty sloppy on the rankings.

 

[LHUCKS]

I was surprised to see Wells still ranked about the 30th RB. He has virtually zero competition in the Cards backfield right now. If Wells projects to be the workhorse back and get goal line carries, shouldn't he be in the top 15-20 RBs? Is one of the unknowns on the Arizona roster expected to get the goal line carries? If so, who?

Becoz he is Beanie Wells. Situation does not mean that much when the talent stinks

I don't understand where these comments are coming from.Beanie easily passes the eyeball test.

 

[corpcow]

Rankings are based on talent and opportunity. Right now all he's proven is that he has the opportunity. Best in a couple games looked better than Wells has ever looked.

Beanie has more than shown he can be a dominant back from a talent perspective; for him the biggest question his staying healthy and playing through "minor" injuries. I fully agree h eshould be MUCH higher than RB30, and I've taken him in a couple of drafts where i thought he represented serious value.

 

[corpcow]

I was surprised to see Wells still ranked about the 30th RB. He has virtually zero competition in the Cards backfield right now. If Wells projects to be the workhorse back and get goal line carries, shouldn't he be in the top 15-20 RBs? Is one of the unknowns on the Arizona roster expected to get the goal line carries? If so, who?

Becoz he is Beanie Wells. Situation does not mean that much when the talent stinks

I don't understand where these comments are coming from.Beanie easily passes the eyeball test.

People make stupid comments IMO without actually watching him, and at best looking at stats which were "disappointing". Talent is NOT the issue with Beanie... he's shown on the field that he can be "dominant" at the NFL level. The issue is staying healthy (and remember he had "sneaky" knee surgery before the year last year).

 

[Andrew Garda]

That's what we're here for. It's a process. What the hell would I do if I couldn't debate with people in the SP? Sleep? Please....

I'm very glad to hear that you feel that way. I've dealt with a few staff members on other sites who got offended whenever I questioned them on the reasons for their rankings of specific players, when all I'm really trying to do is figure out why my thinking is different from yours. I know you can't get to every question in every thread, but it's great to get feedback from the site staff. Knowing why you like player A vs. player B always makes rankings far more useful to me.

Arguing - I mean discussing - is half the fun. I always think of my rankings as food for thought as much as anything else. I don't expect people following behind me yelling 'the fields medal the fields medal' or anything (though I am looking for minions) - I assume that people may see what I do, hear what I think and add it to their thought process. So I'm glad that's how you approach it. best way to dominate your league sometimes.

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

I was surprised to see Wells still ranked about the 30th RB. He has virtually zero competition in the Cards backfield right now. If Wells projects to be the workhorse back and get goal line carries, shouldn't he be in the top 15-20 RBs? Is one of the unknowns on the Arizona roster expected to get the goal line carries? If so, who?

Becoz he is Beanie Wells. Situation does not mean that much when the talent stinks

I don't understand where these comments are coming from.Beanie easily passes the eyeball test.

People make stupid comments IMO without actually watching him, and at best looking at stats which were "disappointing". Talent is NOT the issue with Beanie... he's shown on the field that he can be "dominant" at the NFL level. The issue is staying healthy (and remember he had "sneaky" knee surgery before the year last year).

...Wait, someone understands....me? Two people in fact. (tears of joy lol)It's literally common sense that he has a bunch of talent. Look at his redraft and dynasty rankings from last year. People were high on him, even in Zona. O gosh, I wonder why, you think the guy is talented? 4.5 YPC for the Cards as a rookie, thats a big accomplishment.

 

[petenice15]

Jeff Haseley has him ranked behind Jalen Parmele

Not anymore he doesn't. But, even before RW's injury, that's pretty sloppy on the rankings.

That's just stupid. The guy has 7 career carries going into his 5th season. I've always liked Beanie and I probably defend him a little to much, but how can Parmele even be compared to Beanie?

 

[GreatLakesMike]

Any comments on his pass-catching prowess (or lack thereof)?Only 5 catches last year and 12 before...obviously Hightower was used in that role.I could hop on board a lot more confidently if at least had the potential for something more than a handful of checkdowns.

he had 15 total catches in 3 yrs at ohio state. this greatly suppresses his ppr value. and its proly why they are looking for another back.

Ohio State under JT never threw to their backs.

 

[DoubleG]

Any comments on his pass-catching prowess (or lack thereof)?Only 5 catches last year and 12 before...obviously Hightower was used in that role.I could hop on board a lot more confidently if at least had the potential for something more than a handful of checkdowns.

he had 15 total catches in 3 yrs at ohio state. this greatly suppresses his ppr value. and its proly why they are looking for another back.

Ohio State under JT never threw to their backs.

That's kind of irrelevant (no offense). The point being, if he didn't do it all through college, he's not going to suddenly be good at it now...hence he's not used as a pass-catching back in the NFL.

 

[Sergeant Spelt]

Fred Jackson is not the starter?

Correct

Incorrect.

IMO this is an actions speak louder than words situation

update?

 

[mcintyre1]

Any comments on his pass-catching prowess (or lack thereof)?Only 5 catches last year and 12 before...obviously Hightower was used in that role.I could hop on board a lot more confidently if at least had the potential for something more than a handful of checkdowns.

he had 15 total catches in 3 yrs at ohio state. this greatly suppresses his ppr value. and its proly why they are looking for another back.

Ohio State under JT never threw to their backs.

That's kind of irrelevant (no offense). The point being, if he didn't do it all through college, he's not going to suddenly be good at it now...hence he's not used as a pass-catching back in the NFL.

Good? Sure, unlikely. But are you seriously trying to contend that just because he didn't do it in college, he cannot learn to do it? Sure, that hurts his chances of becoming a pass catching back, but that in no way makes it impossible for him to become one.

 

[krugoh]

Any comments on his pass-catching prowess (or lack thereof)?Only 5 catches last year and 12 before...obviously Hightower was used in that role.I could hop on board a lot more confidently if at least had the potential for something more than a handful of checkdowns.

he had 15 total catches in 3 yrs at ohio state. this greatly suppresses his ppr value. and its proly why they are looking for another back.

Ohio State under JT never threw to their backs.

That's kind of irrelevant (no offense). The point being, if he didn't do it all through college, he's not going to suddenly be good at it now...hence he's not used as a pass-catching back in the NFL.

Good? Sure, unlikely. But are you seriously trying to contend that just because he didn't do it in college, he cannot learn to do it? Sure, that hurts his chances of becoming a pass catching back, but that in no way makes it impossible for him to become one.

Yeah! Just because Pryor didn't play WR in college doesn't mean he will be a bad WR in the...... wait a minute...

 

[Warhogs]

I'm with McIntyre on this one. just because a college program did not use a RB as a pass catcher does not mean he can not be a good pass catcher in the NFL. Here is one example: Thurman Thomas and I am sure there are many more.

Thurman Thomas caught 19-19-18-19 passes each year in college yet had 6 consecutive years with at least 48 receptions. Thurman was known as a pretty darn good receier.

I'm not going to fill this thread with statistics and example but Steven Jackson is also a very good all around RB. He showed his pass catching a bit early (his senior year in college) but prior to his senior year he caught very few passes.

My point is not catching passes in college does not mean you can not be a good receiving RB or that you need to learn how to catch passes it might (key word) simply mean you have never been used as a pass catcher.

 

[DoubleG]

I'm with McIntyre on this one. just because a college program did not use a RB as a pass catcher does not mean he can not be a good pass catcher in the NFL. Here is one example: Thurman Thomas and I am sure there are many more.

Thurman Thomas caught 19-19-18-19 passes each year in college yet had 6 consecutive years with at least 48 receptions. Thurman was known as a pretty darn good receier.

I'm not going to fill this thread with statistics and example but Steven Jackson is also a very good all around RB. He showed his pass catching a bit early (his senior year in college) but prior to his senior year he caught very few passes.

My point is not catching passes in college does not mean you can not be a good receiving RB or that you need to learn how to catch passes it might (key word) simply mean you have never been used as a pass catcher.

My point is that since he was not used as such in college, and has not been used as a pass cathing RB in his first two seasons (likely partly due to the fact that he didn't catch a lot of passes in college), he isn't viewed (by his current coach) as a pass catching RB. Therefore, he isn't used like one.A perfect illustration of what I am trying to say is Michael Turner - many have pointed out that he is a decent pass catching RB (he caught 20 passes his senior season in college). But he is not used as such - for whatever reason. Whether it's his current coaches perception, or scheme or whatever.

Beanie is in the same situation. There is the perception that he is not a pass catcher. That doesn't mean he couldn't suddenly start being used as such...it just doesn't happen very often that guys that are not utilized in that manner suddenly become major factors in the passing game. At least not with some change (either in team or in coaching staff).

All I was trying to point out (and perhaps accidentally implied there was no way he could ever be good at it) - was that I don't see him being used in that manner by the current coaching staff - this year or in the near future.

 

[mbuehner]

I'm with McIntyre on this one. just because a college program did not use a RB as a pass catcher does not mean he can not be a good pass catcher in the NFL.

Certainly its possible- but that doesn't mean you should ignore the probability that a guy didn't catch passes because he wasn't very good at catching passes. Thats got to be some amount more likely than being misused year after year. You can certainly improve to some degree in pass catching, but I think for the most part its something you're good at or you're not. Running a good pattern, adjusting to the ball, catching it cleanly, and converting yacs without getting your head taken off is a skill unlike anything else a running back is called upon for. I don't think everybody can be good at it (not that any particular player might not suddenly 'get it' later in their career, it has happened).

 

[ty247]

Beanie was praised last off-season, for his improved pass catching.

This off-season he was praised by Whiz for his improved pass protection.

If Whiz isn't just blowing smoke, expect Beanie to take a step up in his pass catching numbers as he'll be on the field in the 3rd down situations now as he's the most experienced man in the back field.

 

[LHUCKS]

The situation this most closely reminds me of is McFadden's last year.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I'm with McIntyre on this one. just because a college program did not use a RB as a pass catcher does not mean he can not be a good pass catcher in the NFL. Here is one example: Thurman Thomas and I am sure there are many more.Thurman Thomas caught 19-19-18-19 passes each year in college yet had 6 consecutive years with at least 48 receptions. Thurman was known as a pretty darn good receier.I'm not going to fill this thread with statistics and example but Steven Jackson is also a very good all around RB. He showed his pass catching a bit early (his senior year in college) but prior to his senior year he caught very few passes.My point is not catching passes in college does not mean you can not be a good receiving RB or that you need to learn how to catch passes it might (key word) simply mean you have never been used as a pass catcher.

Ray Rice is perhaps an even better example.37 catches against 910 carries in his college career including one season where he had 335 rushes and a meager 4 receptions.78 and 63 receptions each of his last two years in the NFL.

 

[mcintyre1]

I'm with McIntyre on this one. just because a college program did not use a RB as a pass catcher does not mean he can not be a good pass catcher in the NFL. Here is one example: Thurman Thomas and I am sure there are many more.

Thurman Thomas caught 19-19-18-19 passes each year in college yet had 6 consecutive years with at least 48 receptions. Thurman was known as a pretty darn good receier.

I'm not going to fill this thread with statistics and example but Steven Jackson is also a very good all around RB. He showed his pass catching a bit early (his senior year in college) but prior to his senior year he caught very few passes.

My point is not catching passes in college does not mean you can not be a good receiving RB or that you need to learn how to catch passes it might (key word) simply mean you have never been used as a pass catcher.

My point is that since he was not used as such in college, and has not been used as a pass cathing RB in his first two seasons (likely partly due to the fact that he didn't catch a lot of passes in college), he isn't viewed (by his current coach) as a pass catching RB. Therefore, he isn't used like one.A perfect illustration of what I am trying to say is Michael Turner - many have pointed out that he is a decent pass catching RB (he caught 20 passes his senior season in college). But he is not used as such - for whatever reason. Whether it's his current coaches perception, or scheme or whatever.

Beanie is in the same situation. There is the perception that he is not a pass catcher. That doesn't mean he couldn't suddenly start being used as such...it just doesn't happen very often that guys that are not utilized in that manner suddenly become major factors in the passing game. At least not with some change (either in team or in coaching staff).

All I was trying to point out (and perhaps accidentally implied there was no way he could ever be good at it) - was that I don't see him being used in that manner by the current coaching staff - this year or in the near future.

It's all good, tone is hard to communicate with only text. We agree on this part, I don't think Beanie will develop into a pass catching back either.

 

[LawFitz]

A lot of vitriol in this thread and at the risk of jumping in the middle of it, I have to say that I'm not a Beanie fan. Dude takes way to many steps when he runs. He reminds me of Jamal Lewis after he got old and lost his burst. I used to joke that Lewis' steps to yards ratio was worst in the league. Beanie's lining up for that claim now.

 

[Big_Russel]

A lot of vitriol in this thread and at the risk of jumping in the middle of it, I have to say that I'm not a Beanie fan. Dude takes way to many steps when he runs. He reminds me of Jamal Lewis after he got old and lost his burst. I used to joke that Lewis' steps to yards ratio was worst in the league. Beanie's lining up for that claim now.

Great take.

 

[HPD]

Talent and opportunity.

Yes he has the opportunity. When hasn't he had the opportunity? Unforunately as you know in your hearts despite piling on each other, Wells just lacks talent.

Soon the Cards will bring in Grant or Choice or someone else as a place holder and Wells will fade away like bad wallpaper.

I especially like that Lhucks loves him, lol.

 

[VikingFrog]

10 carries for 63 yards.

Not watching the game but assuming that's first half stats seems alright to me. I'm liking my beanie pick more and more assuming he stays healthy.

Anyone have any insight or watching this game?

Also who's this Peterson guy that scored the 30+ yard rushing td?

 

[LittlePhatty]

Also who's this Peterson guy that scored the 30+ yard rushing td?

Peterson? ESPN's box score says it was their receiver Andre Roberts.

 

[HellToupee]

10 carries for 63 yards.Not watching the game but assuming that's first half stats seems alright to me. I'm liking my beanie pick more and more assuming he stays healthy.Anyone have any insight or watching this game?Also who's this Peterson guy that scored the 30+ yard rushing td?

Patrick Peterson had an INT return TD

 

[VikingFrog]

Sorry, Roberts 34 yard td run.

Peterson 34 int return.

Easily confused. Especially after A couple of beers.

How'd Beanie look?

Who is Roberts?

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Sorry, Roberts 34 yard td run.Peterson 34 int return.Easily confused. Especially after A couple of beers.How'd Beanie look?Who is Roberts?

Andre Roberts, probably #2 WR.

 

[Beerguzzler]

I was watching the game and Beanie ran well. Expectations should be kept in check though since the Chargers ran a very vanilla defense. I do like what I saw of Kolb though. His ability to complete passes and the chemistry he's developing with Fitz should only help the running game. I do see Beanie having a productive season if he stays healthy. That's the knock though, does he actually stay healthy? Definitely some upside with Beanie though.

 

[LHUCKS]

Beanie always runs well, the question is whether teams will be able to stack the box, like they did last year.

 

[OnTheReg]

Tasty week one matchup against carolina. Anyone gonna roll with Beanie as their RB2 for that one?

 

[munygon2]

I have no choice but to roll with this guy in week one as my RB2. Hope he has a breakout game.

 

[DoubleG]

Tasty week one matchup against carolina. Anyone gonna roll with Beanie as their RB2 for that one?

Over Benson and Moreno

 

[OnTheReg]

Tasty week one matchup against carolina. Anyone gonna roll with Beanie as their RB2 for that one?

Over Benson and Moreno

I'm going with him over Moreno too, debating Ingram but I think Wells should have a real nice game against the Panthers.

 

[DoubleG]

Tasty week one matchup against carolina. Anyone gonna roll with Beanie as their RB2 for that one?

Over Benson and Moreno

I'm going with him over Moreno too, debating Ingram but I think Wells should have a real nice game against the Panthers.

So as not to turn this into Asst. Coach thread, I think part of the reason Wells is a very solid RB2 is because of the first 3 weeks of opponents to start the season. In fact, even before Williams went down, as long as the starting job was "his to lose" during the regular season, I think the good early start he should get off to would have made it tough for Wiz to replace him as the starter until much later than a lot of people thought.Either way, he should start strong. If he doesn't - we all know we can move on.

 

[Tau837]

The situation this most closely reminds me of is McFadden's last year.

Really? Did the Cardinals change their blocking scheme this offseason? If so, I haven't heard that. But that is the biggest reason for McFadden's emergence last season... the Raiders went from zone blocking to a power run blocking scheme, and it better suited McFadden's skillset.