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Why is Cedric Benson ranked so low? (1 Viewer)

GRIDIRON ASSASSIN

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He's no longer splitting time with Thomas Jones, so why is Cedric Benson ranked

so low in so many 'preseason cheat sheets'?

Hell, he's a lock to put up 12TDs and 1,400 combined yards.

 
You will find a lot of haters in this group. What is it with Longhorn running backs becoming malcontents lately?

We will find out all we need to know about CB as an NFL running back this season.

 
Speaking from physical ability, Benson is an absolute animal. Did anyone actually watch him run the ball in the second half of the season last year? He ran with the speed, power, and determination of a raging bull.

Jones was the starter because he was the better all around back as far as receiving, pass blocking, etc. As the season wore on and the Bears became more secure in the standings, they lightened the load on Jones and Benson got more carries. For the season, Benson being second on the depth chart racked up 751 yds on 195 carries (including the playoffs). That adds up to 3.85 ypc. Just looking at the regular season, he had 647 yds rushing on 157 carries for 4.12 ypc.

Honestly, I am absolutely ecstatic that people are so down on Benson. If he drops down to the third or fourth round, WOOOHOOO!

The Bears run the ball really well, and Benson is in a very good situation.

On the flip side of the coin, I'm really big on Thomas Jones with the Jets as well. But, that's a topic for another thread.

 
He's a bit of a boom-or-bust player, IMO. He was a beast at Texas and he was a very high draft pick, but he bombed in his pre-draft workout and he hasn't exactly set the league on fire up to this point in his career. I think he has a chance to be very good, but I also think he could flop.

 
Well lets see....

In the biggest and most important game of the year he had two carries. One was for a fumble and the other he managed to injure himself.

In the NFC Championship game. Thomas Jones dominated the Saints piling up 123 yards on 19 carries and 2 TD's. In the same game Benson was given 24 carries in virtually a 50/50 split - not on 3rd downs or in mop up duty - he managed 60 yards and a TD - he was basically useless except on one 12 yard carry for a TD. (take out the 12 yard TD run and he averaged 2.1YPC on 23 carries)

He has had several incidents with teammates. Guys on the Bears defense simply don't like him. This is from another site :

"Brian Urlacher and Mike Brown of the Chicago Bears defense would never admit it publicly, but I believe, and will always believe, that the hit they put on Cedric Benson in a team practice last weekend had a message behind it.

Players get hurt in training camp, but for the most part, it is usually on a bad cut on the surface that blows out a knee, or a twisted ankle. It's usually not a three-week minimum injury from a combination hit that causes a dislocated and sprained shoulder. "

I recall he was disciplined for leaving a preseason game early.

He has been very injury prone even in his very limited role so far - each time a different problem.

Positives:

The Bears think he can carry the load (They also think Grossman is an NFL QB)

All I can say - if you draft Benson - you had better get who ever his backup is. I would be concerned going into the season if Benson were my #1 or #2 RB. I guess if he falls to the late 3rd or 4th round - what the heck.

 
durability and character concerns?
I'd agree with the durability concern, but what character concerns (other than media hype) does Cedric have?
Some of his teammates don't like him...there was an incident with him leaving the field early during a game I believe.
Which teammates don't like him? My guess is none. He is poised for a breakout year.
Although I cannot cite specific reports (I know, pretty convenient for me) I do know that it was common knowledge that during the '05-'06 offseason he ticked off a LOT of teammates by his locker room attitude. Wish I could remember what it was about - but I know for a fact he had some attitude question marks. Whether he still does or if it will mean squat to his current value - who knows? That, and I also agree with the "he's never done it before" response. Benson's situation is VERY comparable to Kevan Barlow 3 years ago. I remember when almost everyone thought the only thing seperating him from top 7 RB status was opportunity. GRAB DUDE'S BACKUP. Not cuz it's a given Cedric will fail - but because the guy will otherwise go undrafted behind one of the shakier backfield situations in the league.
 
He's no longer splitting time with Thomas Jones, so why is Cedric Benson ranked so low in so many 'preseason cheat sheets'?Hell, he's a lock to put up 12TDs and 1,400 combined yards.
:D I agree with you 100%....I don't get it either...Next year he won't be ranked low thats for sure
Next year he wont be ranked at all.....Like someone said durability and mostly character concern, he is dumb.
 
Yeah, I agree it's common knowledge that he's not the most popular guy in the lockerroom.

I will admit that I didn't see all of Benson's carries last year, but what I did see didn't impress me at all. Thomas Jones made him look bad, and I think the Bears made a mistake trading him.

All that said, Benson represents pretty good value as a #3 RB.

 
The problem with Benson is he was the #4 overall pick and couldn't win the job from someone who is a solid player, but certainly not great. He gave the impression that he should have been given the job because of his draft status. He had locker room issues. He has been banged up as a pro...although he was pretty durable in college. Of course there will be a lot of questions about him.

 
What I don't get is how Maroney is ranked 9th and Benson 18th by the FBG staff considering . . .

Dillon/Maroney 310 fantasy points last year

Jones/Benson 272 fantasy points last year

And we know Maroney is coming off of surgery and has been very limited so far this offseason.

Looking at just Benson and Maroney (regular and post-season) Benson had a 3.9 ypc vs 4.0 for Maroney.

I'm not a huge Benson fanr, but he does seem to be in line for a lot more work.

 
Speaking from physical ability, Benson is an absolute animal. Did anyone actually watch him run the ball in the second half of the season last year? He ran with the speed, power, and determination of a raging bull.

Jones was the starter because he was the better all around back as far as receiving, pass blocking, etc. As the season wore on and the Bears became more secure in the standings, they lightened the load on Jones and Benson got more carries. For the season, Benson being second on the depth chart racked up 751 yds on 195 carries (including the playoffs). That adds up to 3.85 ypc. Just looking at the regular season, he had 647 yds rushing on 157 carries for 4.12 ypc.

Honestly, I am absolutely ecstatic that people are so down on Benson. If he drops down to the third or fourth round, WOOOHOOO!

The Bears run the ball really well, and Benson is in a very good situation.

On the flip side of the coin, I'm really big on Thomas Jones with the Jets as well. But, that's a topic for another thread.
they do, but not with Benson.he has injury concerns, and in the biggest game of his life, last years SB, he had one carry for zero yards and a game changing fumble.

not sure the kid has it between the ears...People touted Curtis Enis as the next great RB in Chicago. he flopped, as did Rashaan Salaam, Raymont Harris, Edgar Bennett, Enis, A-train Anthony Thomas.

heck , looking at TJ's stats while in Chicago, he scored a total 22 TDs over the course of 3 full seasons, a scant 7 TD's/year, while averaging a paltry 1164 yards/year. I wouldn't exactly call that `running the ball well`.

since 1990, RB's in Chicago haven't been known as TD-scoring machines.

I'd like to believe that Benson is going to put it all together this season, but I haven't seen anything from him ,whatsoever, to think that he'll be a special player in the NFL. He couldn't keep a journeyman RB like Thomas Jones on the bench..last season, the coaching staff all but handed the starting gig to Benson, and he quickly relinquished it. If he can't beat out TJ, who can he beat out?!

not sure he's even going to start on opening day..

 
He couldn't keep a journeyman RB like Thomas Jones on the bench..last season, the coaching staff all but handed the starting gig to Benson, and he quickly relinquished it. If he can't beat out TJ, who can he beat out?!not sure he's even going to start on opening day..
Jones had averaged nearly 100 yards of offense per game for CHI the season before Benson got there and 115 yards per game the first month+ of Benson's rookie season. TJ was very productive, so it's misleading to suggest that Jones was putting up A-Trainesque numbers.
 
Benson is growing on me a little bit. He'll probably get 300 carries by default, unless he's seriously hurt. John Crist from the Bear Report told us on the Audible that his straight ahead running style was a better fit for the Bears man blocking scheme than Thomas Jones pitter patter running style (he also said he expects Wolfe to win the RB2 job by midseason). If things go well, he should be able to put up similar numbers to Rudi Johnson. It is troubling that Adrian Peterson looked as good or better than Benson in the same offense, and that Benson has not been able to excel on limited carries the way that most RBs on the verge of breakout excel before they get the job.

Benson is one of the toughest RBs to figure out this year. I agree with GA's original post, that is he is very low considering the situation he's in, but that indicates a general lack of trust by the FF community, where other RBs with incomplete track records like Maroney and Addai are getting more trust. With the exception of Colin, every FBG I've talked to has some sort of fundamental doubt about Benson - it might just be a gut feeling, but that doesn't change the fact that its there for most of us.

 
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Benson is growing on me a little bit. He'll probably get 300 carries by default, unless he's seriously hurt. John Crist from the Bear Report told us on the Audible that his straight ahead running style was a better fit for the Bears man blocking scheme than Thomas Jones pitter patter running style (he also said he expects Wolfe to win the RB2 job by midseason). If things go well, he should be able to put up similar numbers to Rudi Johnson. It is troubling that Adrian Peterson looked as good or better than Benson in the same offense, and that Benson has not been able to excel on limited carries the way that most RBs on the verge of breakout excel before they get the job.Benson is one of the toughest RBs to figure out this year. I agree with GA's original post, that is he is very low considering the situation he's in, but that indicates a general lack of trust by the FF community, where other RBs with incomplete track records like Maroney and Addai are getting more trust. With the exception of Colin, every FBG I've talked to has some sort of fundamental doubt about Benson - it might just be a gut feeling, but that doesn't change the fact that its there for most of us.
I too am on the fence. I wouldn't be shocked if he did well considering the situation he's in but I wouldn't be shocked if he was a flop. Yes, he's a battering ram but he's struggled with injuries and he barely got the ball. How is he going to fare getting the ball 20+ times a week? Will he have to change his running style? If so, will he be effective?They gave him the ball in the superbowl and he got lit up due to his lack of vision. IMO the only reason to like Benson is the opportunity because I haven't seen him distinguish himself from a talent POV from either Thomas Jones or Peterson. I won't be going after Benson in any draft but I will grab Peterson in every draft.
 
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Wow, lots of hate for Benson in this thread.

I don't think he is a lock for 1400 and 12 necessarily, but CHI has a solid o-line, and Benson is their RB. He will have a lot of opportunity this coming season.

I too haven't been impressed with how he has handled himself and I will agree that he hasn't looked outstanding yet in his young career. But I actually was impressed with how he finished last season. In his last 8 regular season games he had 94 carries for 439 yards; that’s nearly 4.7 yards per carry. He finally started getting involved more and got in a bit of a rhythm. He ran hard and the few games I saw at the end of the season he looked good; he looked like a starting caliber NFL RB.

I think Benson can be productive in Chicago, but won't be a world beater. And he definitely loses value in PPR leagues.

 
IMO the only reason to like Benson is the opportunity
I would generally agree with this and include in that the situational factors (great defense, team that should be ahead a lot). I want to say that it's good that the team completely trusts him, and is handing him the job, but I almost think the best thing for a guy who seems soft as a pro is to make him win the job.
 
:kicksrock: At what is considered a "character concern" these days. People dislike him personally and suddenly he's the second coming of Pac-Man Jones. The last I checked "teammates liking him" and "media perception" have little to do with on-field performance. What is even more amusing about these debates is that Thomas Jones is portrayed as the "consumate hard-working pro, great teammate, etc." How quickly we forget how even he behaved just a few short years ago...Thomas Jones called a bust...
After three seasons with the Arizona Cardinals, Thomas Jones can officially be called a first-round bust. Arizona gave him every chance they could to jump-start his career, but he never took advantage.
The Cardinals took RB Thomas Jones with the seventh overall pick in the draft, expecting him to be an impact player. He hasn't been. Jones, handed the starting job prematurely by now-fired coach Vince Tobin, still doesn't look comfortable when he spells Michael Pittman.
Thomas Jones blaming his poor production on a lack of opportunity...
"From the moment I set foot off the plane to the moment I got out of there, the situation was bad," Jones said. "That's all I really want to say about it.
Again, blaming a lack of production on a lack of carries. Looks like Jones was right...
"You can't get a thousand yards and be the player everybody wants you to be when you're getting six carries a game," Jones said. "Suddenly, they're calling me this and calling me that. But that's the way it goes."
"Moody first round bust with attitude problems"...
Jones left Arizona in 2002 after three seasons labeled as a moody first-round bust with attitude problems.
The topic of many FBG's threads...Thomas Jones breaking his hand on a phone...
His '02 season ended after 10 games with both controversy and acrimony. Jones said he broke his right hand when he banged it on a counter in his home trying to hang up a phone. But the Cardinals, suspicious of how the break occurred, placed Jones on the non-football-related injury list, which, by rule, meant the team could slash his pay.
The fact is that if you are a highly touted first round pick and you find yourself in a dismal situation it's human nature to react in the way that Benson has in Chicago and the way that Jones did in Arizona. These players can become remarkably productive when they find themselves in a situation where they have opportunity. People need to rank their players more on talent and opportunity and less on how well they like the media filtered fluff articles they read about a player.
 
But I actually was impressed with how he finished last season. In his last 8 regular season games he had 94 carries for 439 yards; that’s nearly 4.7 yards per carry. He finally started getting involved more and got in a bit of a rhythm. He ran hard and the few games I saw at the end of the season he looked good; he looked like a starting caliber NFL RB.
exactly what I saw also, I thought he looked really good the second half of the year. I am hoping getting him in the third, but I think his stock is going to rise quite a bit come august.
 
BTW, one of the injuries that he "struggled with" was a nasty looking injury where his knee bent at about a 90 degree angle sideways. Within minutes this message board was littered with people who proclaimed the end to either his season or career. He played just a few weeks later. Just something to consider while we are labeling him as "soft".

 
It's fine to think he has potential to be a solid starting RB in this league. But to blow off the concerns about him is crazy IMO, because the concerns are legit. I also have trouble trying to figure out what to do with him. I lean to thinking he will be pretty good, but the questions about him are legit enough to make me be unsure.

 
about this durability concern: does anyone know of Benson's history w/ regards to injury? I mean, are we talking about any serious injuries here or just the usual bumps and bruises that go w/ the position?

Was his discontent last season because he wasn't the #1 back in Chicago? If so, maybe his attitude will improve now that he's #1. BTW ... who's backing him up this season? If the injuries are a real concern, maybe it's worth spending a very late pick on his backup instead of some other useless player.

 
Speaking from physical ability, Benson is an absolute animal. Did anyone actually watch him run the ball in the second half of the season last year? He ran with the speed, power, and determination of a raging bull.

Jones was the starter because he was the better all around back as far as receiving, pass blocking, etc. As the season wore on and the Bears became more secure in the standings, they lightened the load on Jones and Benson got more carries. For the season, Benson being second on the depth chart racked up 751 yds on 195 carries (including the playoffs). That adds up to 3.85 ypc. Just looking at the regular season, he had 647 yds rushing on 157 carries for 4.12 ypc.

Honestly, I am absolutely ecstatic that people are so down on Benson. If he drops down to the third or fourth round, WOOOHOOO!

The Bears run the ball really well, and Benson is in a very good situation.

On the flip side of the coin, I'm really big on Thomas Jones with the Jets as well. But, that's a topic for another thread.
they do, but not with Benson.he has injury concerns, and in the biggest game of his life, last years SB, he had one carry for zero yards and a game changing fumble.

not sure the kid has it between the ears...People touted Curtis Enis as the next great RB in Chicago. he flopped, as did Rashaan Salaam, Raymont Harris, Edgar Bennett, Enis, A-train Anthony Thomas.

heck , looking at TJ's stats while in Chicago, he scored a total 22 TDs over the course of 3 full seasons, a scant 7 TD's/year, while averaging a paltry 1164 yards/year. I wouldn't exactly call that `running the ball well`.

since 1990, RB's in Chicago haven't been known as TD-scoring machines.

I'd like to believe that Benson is going to put it all together this season, but I haven't seen anything from him ,whatsoever, to think that he'll be a special player in the NFL. He couldn't keep a journeyman RB like Thomas Jones on the bench..last season, the coaching staff all but handed the starting gig to Benson, and he quickly relinquished it. If he can't beat out TJ, who can he beat out?!

not sure he's even going to start on opening day..
I recall he was going to be the starting RB going into the season until Urlacher and Brown sandwiched him and his should was dislocated. This injury caused him to miss the remainder of the preseason and not have the starting RB job. I think he even missed the first two games of the season last year because of the injury.
 
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about this durability concern: does anyone know of Benson's history w/ regards to injury? I mean, are we talking about any serious injuries here or just the usual bumps and bruises that go w/ the position?
Not serious injuries, but they came at crucial junctures - a knee injury when he had a chance to step up in Jones absence in 2005. A shoulder injury when he was atop the depth chart last year in training camp, and a knee injury in the Super Bowl after fumbling on his only other carry. Its possible that this is just a coincidence, but it certainly can't make you feel more confident that he's going to knock this opportunity out of the park.
 
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His situation is not all that different from Addai. I would think he would rank higher just on opportunity.
LOL. Last time I checked - the Colts had one of the best offenses in the NFL. They have the best QB in the NFL. And I believe Addai was taking over for a run offense that allowed Edge to be a top 5 RB for several years in a row.....I don't think Benson can catch like Edge or Addai.I don't think Grossman can throw like ManningI don't think the Bears WR's (one a converted defensive back) can catch like Harrison or Wayne - so there isn't much reason to keep defenses honest.I think Benson's situation is alot like Barlow's situation a couple years ago.
 
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about this durability concern: does anyone know of Benson's history w/ regards to injury? I mean, are we talking about any serious injuries here or just the usual bumps and bruises that go w/ the position?
Not serious injuries, but they came at crucial junctures - a knee injury when he had a chance to step up in Jones absence in 2005. A shoulder injury when he was atop the depth chart last year in training camp, and a knee injury in the Super Bowl after fumbling on his only other carry. Its possible that this is just a coincidence, but it certainly can't make you feel more confident that he's going to knock this opportunity out of the park.
You have to put these injuries in context though. The knee injury in 2005 was gruesome--his knee was bent at nearly a 90 degree angle the wrong way, yet he only missed a handful of games. He missed some of training camp, but I don't recall him missing any games due to the shoulder injury. Who knows about the Superbowl injury, since it was the last game of the season. He hasn't missed many games and the one's he's missed weren't because of tweaks or bumps.
 
about this durability concern: does anyone know of Benson's history w/ regards to injury? I mean, are we talking about any serious injuries here or just the usual bumps and bruises that go w/ the position?
Not serious injuries, but they came at crucial junctures - a knee injury when he had a chance to step up in Jones absence in 2005. A shoulder injury when he was atop the depth chart last year in training camp, and a knee injury in the Super Bowl after fumbling on his only other carry. Its possible that this is just a coincidence, but it certainly can't make you feel more confident that he's going to knock this opportunity out of the park.
NFL RB has got to be the toughest position in all sports with regards to the physical toll it takes on the body. I saw an interview on Earl Campbell and that guy is in constant, gruelling pain all of the time and he walks like an 80yr old man instread of a guy in his 50's. It's got to be a combo of luck, running style and genetics as to why some RBs have long, injury-free careers, while others are constantly nagged by injury.
 
His situation is not all that different from Addai. I would think he would rank higher just on opportunity.
LOL. Last time I checked - the Colts had one of the best offenses in the NFL. They have the best QB in the NFL. And I believe Addai was taking over for a run offense that allowed Edge to be a top 5 RB for several years in a row.....I don't think Benson can catch like Edge or Addai.I don't think Grossman can throw like ManningI don't think the Bears WR's (one a converted defensive back) can catch like Harrison or Wayne - so there isn't much reason to keep defenses honest.I think Benson's situation is alot like Barlow's situation a couple years ago.
Similar to what I outlined above with NE and Dillon/Maroney . . .NE (Maroney/Dillon) 310 pointsIND (Addai/Rhodes) 308 pointsCHI (Jones/Benson) 272 pointsThe NE and IND duos were about 10% more productive than the Bears pairing of Jones and Benson. Current FBG staff rankings have Addai at 8, Maroney at 10, and Benson at 18.As for barlow, IIRC the Niners lost an All-Pro caliber WR, an All Pro caliber QB, a former All Pro RB, the team's #2 WR, and a couple of offensive lineman to go along with a defense that allowed almost 120 more points than the season before. I don't see the 2007 Bears mirroring the 2004 49ers very much at all. Again, I'm not endorsing Benson as a can't miss RB, but IMO he is in a situation very similar to Chester Taylor was last year (should get a lot of work and rank decently based on quantity not necessarily quality).
 
The problem with Benson is he was the #4 overall pick and couldn't win the job from someone who is a solid player, but certainly not great. He gave the impression that he should have been given the job because of his draft status. He had locker room issues. He has been banged up as a pro...although he was pretty durable in college. Of course there will be a lot of questions about him.
Wasn't Thomas Jones a top 10 pick too?IMHO Thomas Jones has been very under-rated in his career. A couple of bad seasons in Arizona have forever made people think he's not that great. He is a very solid player.
 
There's no doubt he's the #1 RB for the Bears, and, on this team, he'll surely get plenty of opportunities to rack up yards and score. IMO, durability (not talent, not character) is the only concern for him going into this season, and if you pass on him because he just might get injured, you'll likely be kicking yourself the rest of the season.

I'd say he's pretty much a lock for 1100 yards & 8 TDs, but I expect him to end up around where Grid projected him in the OP.

If you can get him in the 3rd or 4th round, he's a steal.

 
The problem with Benson is he was the #4 overall pick and couldn't win the job from someone who is a solid player, but certainly not great. He gave the impression that he should have been given the job because of his draft status. He had locker room issues. He has been banged up as a pro...although he was pretty durable in college. Of course there will be a lot of questions about him.
Wasn't Thomas Jones a top 10 pick too?IMHO Thomas Jones has been very under-rated in his career. A couple of bad seasons in Arizona have forever made people think he's not that great. He is a very solid player.
:fishy: I'm tired of hearing the "he couldn't even beat out Thomas Jones" crap. Thomas is a very solid RB and did nothing that should have caused him to lose his job.
 
Power Monster said:
Injury concerns and this is a huge risk the Bears are taking. If he goes down their season is over....
Not quite. Adrian Peterson is more than capable of filling in.
gferrell20 said:
I'm tired of hearing the "he couldn't even beat out Thomas Jones" crap. Thomas is a very solid RB and did nothing that should have caused him to lose his job.
So in other words, Benson didn't do anything to win the job. So why should we expect anything better than what TJ was able to produce (RB 20-25)?
 
Yeah, I agree it's common knowledge that he's not the most popular guy in the lockerroom.

I will admit that I didn't see all of Benson's carries last year, but what I did see didn't impress me at all. Thomas Jones made him look bad, and I think the Bears made a mistake trading him.

All that said, Benson represents pretty good value as a #3 RB.
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