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Why is everybody so in love with McGahee (1 Viewer)

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I keep hearing about how Willis is "on fire" and people are considering him in the top 10 for next year.Why?He's talented yes, but his average is sitting at 3.9 - which is hardly remarkable. He's had some nice games in December - but his best games were against Cleveland and San Franciso (supremely bad teams), while he did not look great against Cinci or Miami (mediocre teams at best).If he hadn't scored those 4 TDs against Seattle, I don't think people would be talking him in the light that they are right now. I'm not trying to take those TDs away from him, but three of them were from 2 yards or less and how many times is a back going to get that many opportunities? Even in that game he only averaged 4.1/carry.He's really only had a handful of good games in his career.Couple of other notes - he hasn't caught many balls this year and he has fumbled in each of his last four games.I'm not saying the guy sucks, and I'd like to have him on a dynasty, but I don't put him in the same class as some of the other elite backs yet like I see a lot of folks doing.

 
Assuming this isn't a major :fishing: expedition there are a number of reasons why people are high on McGahee.

1. He's had 11 starts and in those 11 starts he's rushed for more than 90 yards 8 times and more than 100 7 times. Keep in mind that in one of those starts (vs. Cincinnati) he got hurt and barely played. So his production/per start is outstanding.

2. Although I agree his TD output hasn't been consistent on a weekly basis, the fact of the matter is he does have 11 TDs in 11 starts which is pretty impressive. And he has scored in 5 of those 11 games, so if you get someone who can score at least every other week I'd say there's definitely reason for optimism there.

3. The Bills' offense has clearly gotten better since he became the starter -- and this statement is coming from someone who believes Travis Henry does not get anywhere near enough respect for the work he did the last two seasons. McGahee's presence has enabled Bledsoe to play much better than he did last season (Evans' development has obviously helped there as well). The Bills are scoring 30 points a week at an incredible rate lately.

4. He's still not 100 percent of the way back from his knee injury. It isn't unusual for a player to really return from this type of injury until his third year (look at Edge this year, for example). If that's the case than the ceiling could be very high for McGahee next season which will be the third year removed from his injury. If you look at what he's done already and think he could be even better next season, that definitely is going to give you cause for optimism.

He's likely going to be my keeper next year and I do like the fact so many people here believe he's no worse than a Top 10 RB and possibly as high as Top 5. However, I agree with the original post that his lack of work in the passing game is something that may prevent me from ranking him too high next season. He hasn't shown much in that aspect of the game so far although I see no reason to believe he can't be more involved as a receiver next season.

 
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I'm guessing your point is about the 4TD game. Like I said, he earned those TDs - he carried the rock over the stripe.But that game (and the last one) seem to be what everyone is using to evaluate the guy. And MY point is that I don't think those games are a good basis for evaluation when you look at the rest of his season. Overall, he's looked pretty good - not great.It reminds me a little bit of Griffin running for 156 yards and 2 TDs against the Chiefs early in the season. Everybody was like - wow - this kid really IS the real deal. Well he wasn't - it was a good effort against a ####ty defense. We saw that over the next couple of weeks.I'm not saying Griffin is McGahee - McGahee is better hands down. I'm just saying a couple of good games against bad defenses doesn't impress me as much as it does some.
 
I agree. I think he's been hyped on these boards for so long and people have sat on him for so long that his moderate production has evoked a strong reaction. I drafted both McGahee and Henry this year, so I don't have an axe to grind, but why is McGahee's 3.9 ypc considered glorious and Henry's 3.5 was considered trash? Henry historically gets better with more carries yet he had a season high of 24 carries while McGahee has exceeded that 5 times. I'm sure if Henry got that kind of load his ypc would be closer to 4.0 too.

 
Good arguments on both sides. I'll just add that he has a 3.9 YPC with Buffalo's pathetic O-Line. Imagine if they add some talent in the offseason.

 
Good arguments on both sides. I'll just add that he has a 3.9 YPC with Buffalo's pathetic O-Line. Imagine if they add some talent in the offseason.
The line has looked very good the last 6 weeks. It may be becuase McGahee makes the line look good, or it may be they needed a little time to gel. McGahee has tremendous visionm patience, and strength. He has very good speed to the corner. The one thing I can knock him on is that he doesn't hit the whole real hard, but when you realize he is just 18 months removed from his knee injury, and that he is probably only at 80 percent at best, you like his chances. In the game against Baltimore, he stiff-armed Ray Lewis on consectutive plays, when Lewis had easy tackles. I hate to say it, but because Willis is a big back with speed and plays for Buffalo, it reminds me of OJ. If Willis stays healthy for a whole year, I think he can run for 2000 yards.
 
Good arguments on both sides. I'll just add that he has a 3.9 YPC with Buffalo's pathetic O-Line. Imagine if they add some talent in the offseason.
I don't think that line is really pathetic - more average than pathetic. Travis Henry ran behind that line doing pretty much the same things McGahee is doing now - lots of TDs (the team likes to run on the one and two rather than throw), lots of carries, and a fairly low average (though not quite as low as McGahee's is at the moment).
 
This is from the FBG Game Recaps. I think it's helpful to review a player's season from start to finish -- not just the stats, but comments from the game reviewers about how the player looked each week.

Week 1 vs. Jaguars

Willis McGahee (9-31 rushing, 1-12 receiving, 1 target) Willis McGahee saw his first regular season action for the Bills after not playing his rookie season a year ago. McGahee saw most of his action in the fourth quarter after replacing RB Travis Henry. Willis McGahee had eight straight carries for the Bills in the fourth quarter, two of them nullified due to penalties, and gained 24 yards during the series. McGahee, who played without a protective brace on his repaired left knee, showed his quickness and power and willingness to take a hit.

Week 2 at Raiders

Willis McGahee (2 for -3 rushing) McGahee wasn't on the field much, as Buffalo stuck with Travis Henry most of the game. On Buffalo's first possession, McGahee lost 10 yards on an ill-fated draw play on third and long. On the Bills' field goal drive in the second quarter, McGahee picked up 7 yards to convert third and 6.

Week 3 bye

Week 4 vs. Patriots

Did not see action.

Week 5 at Jets

Willis McGahee (8-42 rushing, 1-2 receiving on 1 target) Willis McGahee was playing second fiddle to Travis Henry until Henry had to come out with an ankle problem. Up until this point McGahee and Henry had both been contained by the Jets defense. However, McGahee provided the key play on the Bills first scoring drive in the fourth quarter nearly going all the way on a 21-yard carry off the left side.

Week 6 vs. Dolphins

Willis McGahee (26-111 rushing, 3-31 receiving on 5 targets) McGahee had a tremendous week in his first NFL start. He did not appear tentative as he hit the holes hard. McGahee did leave the game briefly as he looked to have possibly injured his knee. The TV broadcast immediately went to video of his devastating knee injury while in college. However McGahee shook it off and was right back on the field. After the game, he spoke about Travis Henry still being the starter and that he was the backup but this will be a situation that bears close watch.

Week 7 at Ravens

Willis McGahee (16-58 rushing, 1-1 receiving on 3 targets) did not start the game, but came away with the lion's share of the touches at running back and looked good doing it. For the second game in a row, McGahee really turned things on in the fourth quarter, gaining 26 yards on 5 carries in the final period, including his long run of the game on a 15 yarder. McGahee ran very strong, rarely being taken down by the first man to hit him and powering through a few tackles for extra yardage. He also showed excellent acceleration to the hole, which enabled McGahee to make short gains out of plays where many backs would have been stopped at or behind the line of scrimmage. On a negative note, he looked terrible giving up the chase on a Chad Williams interception.

Week 8 vs. Cardinals

Willis McGahee (30-102 rushing, 2 TD, 1-9 receiving on 2 targets) McGahee started the game at tailback for Buffalo and was the Bill's primary offensive weapon in this game. Until the final drive when the backups entered the game, McGahee received 30 of the Bills' 31 carries. McGahee ran with power and speed, displaying a wicked stiff arm. McGahee scored his first two touchdowns as a Buffalo Bill in this game. For the first, McGahee took the ball on a quick trap and walked into the end zone untouched around the right side. On the second, McGahee got a series of goal line carries late in the game, finally bulling up the middle for a one yard score. McGahee actually had a third touchdown in this game that was called back to due to a holding penalty. It wasn't a perfect day for McGahee however. He was the target on a Bledsoe dump off pass when Bledsoe was under a heavy blitz, but McGahee didn't even turn around to see the pass as it hit the ground behind him. McGahee also had a blooper-worthy play as he chased down a fumbled snap and was the only player within 5 yards of the ball, but slipped on the wet turf and could only watch as other players vied for the football.

Week 9 vs. Jets

Willis McGahee (37-132, 1 TD rushing, 2-11 receiving on 4 targets) busted out against New York. He had yet another big game. He almost never went down on the first hit, and dragged piles of defenders all game long. And when the situation called for a run to the outside, or if the middle was clogged up, McGahee had no trouble bouncing the ball to the sidelines and turning upfield for a big gainer. There was never anything tentative about him, and he was clearly the focal point of the Buffalo attack. On a series of plays early in the first half, McGahee touched the ball or was the target of 8 out of 9 plays. And that wasn't all that uncommon for the entire afternoon.

Week 10 at Patriots

Willis McGahee (14-37 rushing, 1-12 receiving, 1 target) looked impressive on the opening drive and appears to be gaining confidence in his own abilities. Unfortunately, he is in an offensive system that simply is not moving the football or scoring.

Week 11 vs. Rams

Willis McGahee (20-100 rushing, 3-27 receiving on 4 targets) had just 23 yards at halftime, but came on in the second half, finishing with 100 yards. The defense keyed on McGahee most of the day, but he was still able to find holes and burst through them. McGahee's highlight came in the third quarter, when he took a handoff off the left tackle, broke free up the left sideline, hurdled a defensive back, and danced down the sideline into the end zone for an apparent 49-yard score. A holding penalty way downfield (a hold that McGahee didn't need to score) nullified the TD and part of the rushing yardage. On the next play, McGahee had a 15-yard run called back on a holding penalty. McGahee was also an asset in the passing game, catching dump-off passes at the line of scrimmage and turning upfield.

Week 12 at Seahawks

Willis McGahee (28-116 rushing, 4 TDs, 2-26 receiving on 4 targets) From a fantasy perspective, McGahee had an outstanding game. In reality, the Seahawks stuffed him for most of the day, allowing a mediocre 66 yards on 22 carries before his 30-yard fourth quarter touchdown run. On the Bills' first offensive possession, McGahee was initially stopped at the goal line by Seattle defenders, but showed nice second effort in bouncing off and going in for the score. McGahee left the field limping in the second quarter, but returned on the next play and showed no ill effects. In the fourth quarter, with the Seattle defense worn down and out of the game, McGahee padded his stats with some nice runs and another short touchdown.

Week 13 at Dolphins

Willis McGahee (23-91, 0 TD, 1 Fumble lost, 1-4 receiving on 3 targets) McGahee certainly gave the Bills a scare when he limped off with an ankle injury after his first carry. Luckily he was able to get re-taped and return to the game. For most of the day McGahee was shutdown by the Dolphin defense. His first 7 carries gained 11 yards before he finally broke off a 12 yard run. He continued to pound away at the Dolphin defense and finally wore them down in the fourth quarter breaking off a 20 and 21 yard carry on a drive attempting to kill the clock. McGahee was hurt by 2 penalties - one which could have given him a big day. He had a 15 yard run wiped out by holding and a 67 yard screen pass called back on a questionable holding call.

Week 14 vs. Browns

Willis McGahee (27-105 rushing, 2 TD, 2-12 receiving on 4 targets) The Bills hot streak coincided with McGahee's insertion into the lineup, as he performed extremely well over that period with this game versus the Browns being no exception. McGahee averaged 3.9 yards per carry, but found the end zone twice and contributed in all phases of the game before being replaced by Shaud Williams when the Bills had all but wrapped up the game.

Week 15 at Bengals

Willis McGahee (11-25, 2-1 receiving on 3 targets) McGahee was surprisingly ineffective especially considering the Bengals are ranked 28th versus the run. His longest run was for 14 yards on a play he bounced to the outside. However, 2 plays later he injured his right knee when he landed awkwardly attempting to catch a pass out on the wing. It looked like he hyper extended the knee when his cleat caught upon landing. He went to the locker room just before the 2 minute warning but returned to start the second half. He again went to the sideline during the Bills last drive of the 3dr quarter and limped into the locker room for good just before the start of the fourth quarter.

Week 16 at 49ers

Willis McGahee (15-102, 2 TD rushing, 1-14 receiving on 1 target, 1 fumble lost) McGahee was a game time decision since he only practiced on Saturday. He ended up starting but was spelled more often than usual by Shaud Williams. Unlike past Bills games this took on a reverse game plan as it was the pass that opened up the field for the running attack. McGahee looked strong and showed no signs of the knee injury he suffered a week ago. He showed his power on a 3 yard touchdown run by breaking a couple tackles and spinning into the end zone. With the strong Buffalo passing game, the field was opened for pitchouts to McGahee as evidenced on the Bills third quarter TD drive. McGahee had 2 runs over 10 yards and finally scored from 1 yard out by bouncing the play to the right and outrunning the defense to the end zone. After McGahee fumbled late in the third quarter, he was removed from the game.

 
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I think most people see the potential for Willis to only get better. When I watched his games I see a back that is still away from the back that he was in college but not too far away. Yea he had 4 TDs in the Seattle game... but he did. He's a strong option near the goal line which gives him the opportunity to be top 5 in TDs scored.If you look at the RB position I would not be surprised for him to be top 5. After LT, what RB could you put as a lock for top5?SA: Will he be in Seattle. If not will his new team have the affect that Wash did with Portis?Holmes: Will he be back at all? If he is (which it sounds like he will) does L.J affect his numbers? You would think so.A. Green: Will Farve be back? Does he bounce back from this year?Duece: Has not showed me any reason to think that he wold be top 5. Coaching change in N.O. help? not help?I guess you can get the point that I'm trying to make. After L.T. Really who would be a top 5 lock? I'm in no way saying that Willis will be top 5 but like that said before it would not surprise me. Just another man worthless .02 :hophead:

 
4. He's still not 100 percent of the way back from his knee injury. It isn't unusual for a player to really return from this type of injury until his third year (look at Edge this year, for example). If that's the case than the ceiling could be very high for McGahee next season which will be the third year removed from his injury. If you look at what he's done already and think he could be even better next season, that definitely is going to give you cause for optimism.
Ding...we have a winner.It's not like he played in the NFL, got hurt, and now is having a nice season after returning from injury.

He is doing this after never playing against an NFL defense.

What is doing right now is even more impressive IMO.

Look for his ypc to jump next year with some big yardage plays here and there once he really gets back his explosiveness.

 
Oh, and I also think McGahee will go for over 100 yards and 1-2 TDs this week against a Pittsburgh defense that has nothing to play for. :yes:

 
I also believe that McGahee's future is very brite, but I would be more interested to here what the thoughts are, compareatably speaking of course with the big three Rook RB's to come out this year... KJones Det, JJones Dal, SJackson StlPersonally, I think McGahee's immediate future is best as Buffalo seems to be a little further along as a unit ready to compete for a championship than Det or Dal.Jackson still has the immortal one in front of him, JJ's, well I just hate dallas! KJ's real close to McGahee, but with the young offense in Det, I'd have to give McGahee the nod in a redraft or Dynasty...IMO

 
Since we are talking yards per game...in my 11 starts this year I averaged 97 yards per game (compared to McGahee's 89 ypg) even though in about 3-4 games I only played one half. While McGahee is mentioned as a top 5 back next year I am not even on most peoples top 10 list of rb's for next year. Who am I (this is a softball)?

 
Since we are talking yards per game...in my 11 starts this year I averaged 97 yards per game (compared to McGahee's 89 ypg) even though in about 3-4 games I only played one half. While McGahee is mentioned as a top 5 back next year I am not even on most peoples top 10 list of rb's for next year. Who am I (this is a softball)?
Chris Brown?
 
Tomlinson had a 3.646 YPC in his 1st year playing, and this year has a 3.938 YPC.McGahee has a 3.944 YPC right now. If he had just 15 more yards, he'd be at 4.0 YPC.

 
Since we are talking yards per game...in my 11 starts this year I averaged 97 yards per game (compared to McGahee's 89 ypg) even though in about 3-4 games I only played one half. While McGahee is mentioned as a top 5 back next year I am not even on most peoples top 10 list of rb's for next year. Who am I (this is a softball)?
"I also have 5 less TD's..."Chris Brown.
 
To me its really this simple. Willis is producing right now at the same pace or very near that of LT. 90 yds and a td per game. He also has the SAME YPA, 3.9 (for all those crying about that little fact :rolleyes: ). I would also venture to say that while niether has been 100% this year, Willis is closer to 80% and LT closer to 90%. So the potential is very high with this guy.Jeessh, how much does it take to impress some of you guys. This kid is coming off of the WORST knee injury most of us have ever seen! Oh and producing like a top 5 RB already despite it. What else can he do.... :shrug:

 
Since we are talking yards per game...in my 11 starts this year I averaged 97 yards per game (compared to McGahee's 89 ypg) even though in about 3-4 games I only played one half. While McGahee is mentioned as a top 5 back next year I am not even on most peoples top 10 list of rb's for next year. Who am I (this is a softball)?
Chris Brown?
bingo. Although Brown was injured for most of the season he had better numbers than Willis and both were 1st year starting backs. Willis is just getting hot at the right time of the year. Everyone will spend the offseason pumping him up and he will end up a top 5 pick next year. Personally, I think he has benefitted from a soft schedule and while he has performed well I wouldn't spend a top 5 pick on him.
 
To me its really this simple. Willis is producing right now at the same pace or very near that of LT. 90 yds and a td per game. He also has the SAME YPA, 3.9 (for all those crying about that little fact :rolleyes: ). I would also venture to say that while niether has been 100% this year, Willis is closer to 80% and LT closer to 90%. So the potential is very high with this guy.Jeessh, how much does it take to impress some of you guys. This kid is coming off of the WORST knee injury most of us have ever seen! Oh and producing like a top 5 RB already despite it. What else can he do.... :shrug:
What does it take to impress me? SERIOUSLY? A lot more than 3.9 ypc for starters. A guy who sees a lot of action in the passing game.Take Tiki Barber for example. You want to talk about yards per game? How bout 130 yards per game? How bout 4.8 yards per rush?You want young guys that are impressive?Larry Johnson's 5.2 average - granted on a much better offensive team, but still impressive.How bout Kevin Jones on a bad team running for 4.8?Steven Jackson's 5.2.Chris Brown's 4.9.Duckett's 4.8.Oh and by the way, Tomlinson has 18TDs in 15 games (kept out of of the end zone in only 1 game this year) and has 53 catches for 441 yards - that might be the SLIGHT differentiator between he and Willis (well that and last year's 5.3 average when he was healthy).
 
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What does it take to impress me? SERIOUSLY? A lot more than 3.9 ypc for starters.
It's fine that McGahee's stats don't impress you.But don't McGahee's skills impress you? When you watch him run, aren't you impressed by his combination of quickness and power? By his stiff-arms and second-effort? By his ability to hit the hole and make a cut without losing momentum? Etc.

 
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Oh and by the way, Tomlinson has 18TDs in 15 games (kept out of of the end zone in only 1 game this year) and has 53 catches for 441 yards - that might be the SLIGHT differentiator between he and Willis (well that and last year's 5.3 average when he was healthy).
If you look back to LT's 1st season hopefully you will see why this seems so ironic. Where you bashing a HEALTHY LT back in 2001 when his numbers were even less impressive than what Willis is doing now?Other guys who must not impress this year you too then:Rudi JohnsonDDMcAllisterT.Jones
 
What does it take to impress me? SERIOUSLY?  A lot more than 3.9 ypc for starters.
It's fine that McGahee's stats don't impress you.But don't McGahee's skills impress you? When you watch him run, aren't you impressed by his combination of quickness and power? By his stiff-arms and second-effort? By his ability to hit the hole and make a cut without losing momentum? Etc.
On one and a half knees mind you. Another year and he will finally be 100%, or at least closer to it. I would say right now he is running near 80% and still looks slow getting up a lot of the time.
 
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He's talented yes, but his average is sitting at 3.9 - which is hardly remarkable.
QB Doug Flutie has a rushing YPC at 7.0 this year. You telling me that Doug Flutie is better than most RBs in the league? There's more to life than YPC.
 
It's funny how FFers will defend McGahee's 3.9 ypa with a line of excuses about his injury and the o-line and offense, but will use the same 3.9 ypa to crucify Clinton Portis and call him "average" or "see I told you he wasn't good" even though the circumstances of their team are very similar.McGahee is being hugely overrated right now. Not saying he won't live up to the hype, because he injected a nice shot into the Buffalo O, but he carries a similar risk as Portis did in the 2004 pre-season. Plan accordingly.

 
It's funny how FFers will defend McGahee's 3.9 ypa with a line of excuses about his injury and the o-line and offense, but will use the same 3.9 ypa to crucify Clinton Portis and call him "average" or "see I told you he wasn't good" even though the circumstances of their team are very similar.McGahee is being hugely overrated right now. Not saying he won't live up to the hype, because he injected a nice shot into the Buffalo O, but he carries a similar risk as Portis did in the 2004 pre-season. Plan accordingly.
I think I have been rather consistant about the fact that I like both of these guys and have for quite some time now.
 
What does it take to impress me? SERIOUSLY?  A lot more than 3.9 ypc for starters.
It's fine that McGahee's stats don't impress you.But don't McGahee's skills impress you? When you watch him run, aren't you impressed by his combination of quickness and power? By his stiff-arms and second-effort? By his ability to hit the hole and make a cut without losing momentum? Etc.
no, not really. I don't see what I saw at Miami. Although I do agree he has a killer stiff-arm.And Maurile, I seem to remember you saying a similar line about Quentin Griffin in the preseason. Something along the line of "forget the stats, just watch him run..."

 
And Maurile, I seem to remember you saying a similar line about Quentin Griffin in the preseason. Something along the line of "forget the stats, just watch him run..."
That was my Thomas Jones refrain, not my Quentin Griffin refrain.(I liked Griffin, too; but he had excellent stats at the time, so I didn't have to tell anyone to forget them. ;) )
 
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I don't see what I saw at Miami.
This is the major point right here. Thats becuase he isn't there yet! If and when he is though, WAHTCH OUT. I think many like myself are confident he can be at that point next year much like Edge was this year.I said prior to this season that if Willis gets a chance he very well could take Henry's job because Willis at 80% > than Henry at 100% as far as skill goes. At the same time though noboady was claiming Willis to be at 100% this year though.
 
I don't see what I saw at Miami.
This is the major point right here. Thats becuase he isn't there yet! If and when he is though, WAHTCH OUT. I think many like myself are confident he can be at that point next year much like Edge was this year.
the main for me being "if"
 
(I liked Griffin, too; but he had excellent stats at the time, so I didn't have to tell anyone to forget them. ;) )
no he didn't. he had a 3.7 YPC last year.
He had a 4.7 or 4.8 YPC in the preseason when the issue was being discussed.I hardly saw him play in 2003, so none of my pro-Griffin arguments in August were based on his 2003 performance.
 
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I don't see what I saw at Miami.
This is the major point right here. Thats becuase he isn't there yet! If and when he is though, WAHTCH OUT. I think many like myself are confident he can be at that point next year much like Edge was this year.
the main for me being "if"
Agreed, but even IF he does not get there again, he is still playing well enough to be a top 5 RB. Thats impressive. :yes:
 
I watched quite a few Buffalo games hoping Eric Moulds would score :bag: and I would have to say the hype around McGahee is justified. As mentioned before this guy is not even all the way back yet and most importantly they absolutely love to give him the ball. They haven't even used him in the passing game yet but it's coming. McGahee will be a monster in that system. Get used to a lot of multiple TD games because they will give him the ball over and over in the redzone.

 
I don't see what I saw at Miami.
This is the major point right here. Thats becuase he isn't there yet! If and when he is though, WAHTCH OUT. I think many like myself are confident he can be at that point next year much like Edge was this year.
the main for me being "if"
Agreed, but even IF he does not get there again, he is still playing well enough to be a top 5 RB. Thats impressive. :yes:
he's putting up similar numbers to what Henry put up in 2002 and 2003 (and in some cases worse). I don't think Henry was ever a top 5 RB.
 
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It takes more than 11 games for a RB to hit his stride. McGahee can only get better for the next two years, barring another injury.

 
I don't see what I saw at Miami.
This is the major point right here. Thats becuase he isn't there yet! If and when he is though, WAHTCH OUT. I think many like myself are confident he can be at that point next year much like Edge was this year.
the main for me being "if"
Agreed, but even IF he does not get there again, he is still playing well enough to be a top 5 RB. Thats impressive. :yes:
he's putting up similar numbers to what Henry put up in 2002 and 2003 (and in some cases worse). I don't think Henry was ever a top 5 RB.
He's only been a featured back/starter in 11 games one of which he did not finish. So 10 games really. In those 10 games he has gone for 954 yds and 11 tds. Thats about (and I hate doing this), 1526/18 for the year. I don't recall Henry ever having any years like that.
 
I don't see what I saw at Miami.
This is the major point right here. Thats becuase he isn't there yet! If and when he is though, WAHTCH OUT. I think many like myself are confident he can be at that point next year much like Edge was this year.
the main for me being "if"
Agreed, but even IF he does not get there again, he is still playing well enough to be a top 5 RB. Thats impressive. :yes:
he's putting up similar numbers to what Henry put up in 2002 and 2003 (and in some cases worse). I don't think Henry was ever a top 5 RB.
He's only been a featured back/starter in 11 games one of which he did not finish. So 10 games really. In those 10 games he has gone for 954 yds and 11 tds. Thats about (and I hate doing this), 1526/18 for the year. I don't recall Henry ever having any years like that.
great. if you can pull out the game he didn't finish, i can pull out the 4 TD game and extrapolate that. be right back.
 
I don't see what I saw at Miami.
This is the major point right here. Thats becuase he isn't there yet! If and when he is though, WAHTCH OUT. I think many like myself are confident he can be at that point next year much like Edge was this year.
the main for me being "if"
Agreed, but even IF he does not get there again, he is still playing well enough to be a top 5 RB. Thats impressive. :yes:
he's putting up similar numbers to what Henry put up in 2002 and 2003 (and in some cases worse). I don't think Henry was ever a top 5 RB.
He's only been a featured back/starter in 11 games one of which he did not finish. So 10 games really. In those 10 games he has gone for 954 yds and 11 tds. Thats about (and I hate doing this), 1526/18 for the year. I don't recall Henry ever having any years like that.
great. if you can pull out the game he didn't finish, i can pull out the 4 TD game and extrapolate that. be right back.
I didn't pull anything out. Look it up yourself on NFL.com. Willis has only STARTED 10 games this season. :rolleyes: he has also had 6 games with less than 15 carries. 4 of which he did not even hit 10.There have only been 2 times all year that when Willis has had 15+ carries, but not gotten 100 yds. as well
 
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I don't see what I saw at Miami.
This is the major point right here. Thats becuase he isn't there yet! If and when he is though, WAHTCH OUT. I think many like myself are confident he can be at that point next year much like Edge was this year.
the main for me being "if"
Agreed, but even IF he does not get there again, he is still playing well enough to be a top 5 RB. Thats impressive. :yes:
he's putting up similar numbers to what Henry put up in 2002 and 2003 (and in some cases worse). I don't think Henry was ever a top 5 RB.
He's only been a featured back/starter in 11 games one of which he did not finish. So 10 games really. In those 10 games he has gone for 954 yds and 11 tds. Thats about (and I hate doing this), 1526/18 for the year. I don't recall Henry ever having any years like that.
great. if you can pull out the game he didn't finish, i can pull out the 4 TD game and extrapolate that. be right back.
I didn't pull anything out. Look it up yourself on NFL.com. Willis has only STARTED 10 games this season. :rolleyes: he has also had 6 games with less than 15 carries. 4 of which he did not even hit 10.There have only been 2 times all year that Willis has had 15+ carries, but not gotten 100 yds. as well
so you're not going to count a game when he had 16 carries in a yards/game, TDs/game extrapolation? Something tells me if he had 16/94/1 you'd be using it.We're starting to split hairs and I don't think that's the point. So far, McGahee's stats are very similar to Henry's in 2002 and 2003. Henry wins in total yards and YPC, McGahee wins in TDs. They're close enough where I don't see a significant difference. And given that, McGahee is being hyped as a top 5 prospect, and I don't see it.
 
so you're not going to count a game when he had 16 carries in a yards/game, TDs/game extrapolation? Something tells me if he had 16/94/1 you'd be using it.We're starting to split hairs and I don't think that's the point. So far, McGahee's stats are very similar to Henry's in 2002 and 2003. Henry wins in total yards and YPC, McGahee wins in TDs. They're close enough where I don't see a significant difference. And given that, McGahee is being hyped as a top 5 prospect, and I don't see it.
What are you taling about? I only counted the games in which he started. Which includes his 13 carries for 37 yds vs NE performace. If I were hand picking the stats, don't you think I would throw out that game rather than the 16 for 58 you talk about. :rotflmao:
 
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so you're not going to count a game when he had 16 carries in a yards/game, TDs/game extrapolation?  Something tells me if he had 16/94/1 you'd be using it.We're starting to split hairs and I don't think that's the point.  So far, McGahee's stats are very similar to Henry's in 2002 and 2003.  Henry wins in total yards and YPC, McGahee wins in TDs.  They're close enough where I don't see a significant difference.  And given that, McGahee is being hyped as a top 5 prospect, and I don't see it.
What are you taling about? I only counted the games in which he started. Which includes his 13 carries for 37 yds vs NE performace. If I were hand picking the stats, don't you think I would throw out that game rather than the 16 for 58 you talk about. :rotflmao:
What I'm talking about is this. We're trying to evaluate what kind of year McGahee had this year relative to Henry the last two years. If you're trying to come up with a ppg number that you're going to extrapolate out to 16 games, I'm not going to discount a 16 carry game just because he may not have played the first series and NFL.com doesn't list it as a game started. I'm using 11 games and the stats from those games. If you compare them to the 31 games Henry had in 2002 and 2003, they are very comparable.
 
so you're not going to count a game when he had 16 carries in a yards/game, TDs/game extrapolation?  Something tells me if he had 16/94/1 you'd be using it.We're starting to split hairs and I don't think that's the point.  So far, McGahee's stats are very similar to Henry's in 2002 and 2003.  Henry wins in total yards and YPC, McGahee wins in TDs.  They're close enough where I don't see a significant difference.  And given that, McGahee is being hyped as a top 5 prospect, and I don't see it.
What are you taling about? I only counted the games in which he started. Which includes his 13 carries for 37 yds vs NE performace. If I were hand picking the stats, don't you think I would throw out that game rather than the 16 for 58 you talk about. :rotflmao:
What I'm talking about is this. We're trying to evaluate what kind of year McGahee had this year relative to Henry the last two years. If you're trying to come up with a ppg number that you're going to extrapolate out to 16 games, I'm not going to discount a 16 carry game just because he may not have played the first series and NFL.com doesn't list it as a game started. I'm using 11 games and the stats from those games. If you compare them to the 31 games Henry had in 2002 and 2003, they are very comparable.
Fine include that game if you like. Willis still has better numbers be it slight though:Henry's hey day:105/.81 per gameWillis:102/1 per game
 
I agree. I think he's been hyped on these boards for so long and people have sat on him for so long that his moderate production has evoked a strong reaction. I drafted both McGahee and Henry this year, so I don't have an axe to grind, but why is McGahee's 3.9 ypc considered glorious and Henry's 3.5 was considered trash? .
are you serious?watch a game.then you will see why ypc means nothing.what you would have seen was t.henry get stuffed at the goal line vs jax, and oak, and henry trip over the grassy turf on a crucial 3rd and 2 vs NE and then when it was 4th and 2, he went the wrong way on the play.
 
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to answer the topic starters ?everyone is shot in the ### over him because he scores tds, and has good yardage #s

 
so you're not going to count a game when he had 16 carries in a yards/game, TDs/game extrapolation?  Something tells me if he had 16/94/1 you'd be using it.We're starting to split hairs and I don't think that's the point.  So far, McGahee's stats are very similar to Henry's in 2002 and 2003.  Henry wins in total yards and YPC, McGahee wins in TDs.  They're close enough where I don't see a significant difference.  And given that, McGahee is being hyped as a top 5 prospect, and I don't see it.
What are you taling about? I only counted the games in which he started. Which includes his 13 carries for 37 yds vs NE performace. If I were hand picking the stats, don't you think I would throw out that game rather than the 16 for 58 you talk about. :rotflmao:
What I'm talking about is this. We're trying to evaluate what kind of year McGahee had this year relative to Henry the last two years. If you're trying to come up with a ppg number that you're going to extrapolate out to 16 games, I'm not going to discount a 16 carry game just because he may not have played the first series and NFL.com doesn't list it as a game started. I'm using 11 games and the stats from those games. If you compare them to the 31 games Henry had in 2002 and 2003, they are very comparable.
and if you actually watch the 2 of them play, you will see why t.henry is picking splinters out of his ###when henry was the main back, buffalo was 8-8 and 6-10. he makes no one around him better. he is an average/capable back that when given 325 carries , will get you an unimopressive 1400 yards. willis is the exact opposite
 
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If you just simply pro-rate him as a full-time player (starting with their 5th game), you'll see why people are excited. In standard performance leagues, he would currently be RB6 (behind Alexander, LT, Barber, Martin, & Edge). When you take that into account, along with the expected improvement in his knee, it doesn't take much to figure out why he's getting hyped. Not only that, if their OL gets better, as well as their offense in general, which could easily happen, you're looking at even better numbers.

 
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I don't see what I saw at Miami.
This is the major point right here. Thats becuase he isn't there yet! If and when he is though, WAHTCH OUT. I think many like myself are confident he can be at that point next year much like Edge was this year.
the main for me being "if"
Agreed, but even IF he does not get there again, he is still playing well enough to be a top 5 RB. Thats impressive. :yes:
he's putting up similar numbers to what Henry put up in 2002 and 2003 (and in some cases worse). I don't think Henry was ever a top 5 RB.
He's only been a featured back/starter in 11 games one of which he did not finish. So 10 games really. In those 10 games he has gone for 954 yds and 11 tds. Thats about (and I hate doing this), 1526/18 for the year. I don't recall Henry ever having any years like that.
great. if you can pull out the game he didn't finish, i can pull out the 4 TD game and extrapolate that. be right back.
I didn't pull anything out. Look it up yourself on NFL.com. Willis has only STARTED 10 games this season. :rolleyes: he has also had 6 games with less than 15 carries. 4 of which he did not even hit 10.There have only been 2 times all year that Willis has had 15+ carries, but not gotten 100 yds. as well
so you're not going to count a game when he had 16 carries in a yards/game, TDs/game extrapolation? Something tells me if he had 16/94/1 you'd be using it.We're starting to split hairs and I don't think that's the point. So far, McGahee's stats are very similar to Henry's in 2002 and 2003. Henry wins in total yards and YPC, McGahee wins in TDs. They're close enough where I don't see a significant difference. And given that, McGahee is being hyped as a top 5 prospect, and I don't see it.
Make it easier on yourselves.McGahee has 3.9 ypa if you factor in all his attempts. No need to not count this game or weigh the other game more heavily. That's what he did 266 attempts in 2004. That places him 10th in attempts for 2004. Nit picking makes no sense because you've already got a good RB attempts sample size.How many attempts do you see Buffalo giving him next year? Will the defense be as good? Will Bledsoe be back? If so how much worse will he be next year if that's possible. Will JP Losman be named the starter midway through the season? Can the o-line improve as is? If not, do the adjustments they make in the off-season look good? Will the special teams be as good as they are right now? Will they be a winning team? That's a lot of questions to answer for one guy and everyone is arguing over whether or not you should count a 16 attempt game as valid.All we know is, McGahee with his current offense has 3.9 ypa. If he gets a top 10 workload next year, he'd come up with similar stats as he has now. The biggest question mark for me is the defense. Are they gonna be able to play up to this level for the 3rd year in a row and consistenly be able to cover for Bledsoe's mistakes? Will the ST teams unit be as dominant, giving the offense good field position? Right now, I think it's an uphill battle for McGahee to REPEAT much less exceed what he's doing now. The only thing he has in his corner right now is youth (which isn't a bad thing for a RB) and hopefully fully recovered from the knee injury. Picking him top 5 just seems too high risk for me as things stand right now. Come August, the situation might be improved.
 
I don't see what I saw at Miami.
This is the major point right here. Thats becuase he isn't there yet! If and when he is though, WAHTCH OUT. I think many like myself are confident he can be at that point next year much like Edge was this year.I said prior to this season that if Willis gets a chance he very well could take Henry's job because Willis at 80% > than Henry at 100% as far as skill goes. At the same time though noboady was claiming Willis to be at 100% this year though.
Everybody is talking like it's for sure that McGahee is gonna recover to his pre-injury skills that he showed in college. His quickness is not the same, but he has impressed me with the power he has run with. And Edge was severly hindered last yr with his ankle injury not so much about his previous knee injury.
 
The Bills played a 5th place schedule this year and their opponents over the last 1/2 of the year have been very soft. Below are McGahee's stats and the rush defense of the opponent: Miami (30th) 26-111-0Balt (not sure, definitely top 10) 16-58-0AZ (29th) 30-102-2NYJ (7th) 37-132-1NE (not sure, top 10) 14-37-0St. Louis (27th) 20-100-0Seattle (21st) 28-116-4Miami (30th) 23-91-0Clev (31st) 27-105-2Cinn (25th) 11-25-0SF (19th) 15-102-2Against top 10 or better defenses Willis ran for 67-227-1 over 3 games for an average of 3.38 ypc. How often will a rb run against the 25th, 27th, 29th, 30th (twice) and the 31st ranked rush defenses in one year? And even against those defenses he ran for 137-534-4 (3.89 ypc). Before he's annointed a top 5 pick people should consider the competition that he's played against which has not been very good at all.

 

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