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Why is Joe advocating against week 17 championships? (1 Viewer)

Joe must have really been burnt in a week 17 championship game at some point in his life. How else to explain today's strange note:

Bigger issue - Week 17 Super Bowls are a terrible idea. If you're being forced to play today in the biggest week of your fantasy year, do EVERYTHING you possibly can to get your league to move to a Week 16 Super Bowl like most leagues do now.
I look at week 17 games as a plus for two reasons:(1) It extends the season. Why not have 1 more week to enjoy FF? There's already 35 weeks without it, why add one more?

(2) Competitive advantage. If you're better prepared, with quality backups, whether or not Ray Rice sits should be immaterial to your chances. I would think the owner of a fantasy football business would favor of anything that increases - not lessens - the need for his services.

Maybe that's just me.

:shrug:
It's just you. I want to decide the league championship when the vast majority of players are still fully engaged.

One of the color guys on yesterday's broad cast made a reference to "U-Haul games", Specifically mocking the Eagles for packing it in.

If you think "one extra week" of fantasy football is that important, God bless you.
Edited to add: It changes every year but some teams have nothing to play for (three teams started new QBs yesterday - Oakland, Cleveland, Baltimore)... some late games become meaningless based on earlier ones... some guys get rested for the play-offs... Other guys play but not so much... and sometimes, week 17's real value can be an audition for next year.

 
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Joe must have really been burnt in a week 17 championship game at some point in his life. How else to explain today's strange note:

Bigger issue - Week 17 Super Bowls are a terrible idea. If you're being forced to play today in the biggest week of your fantasy year, do EVERYTHING you possibly can to get your league to move to a Week 16 Super Bowl like most leagues do now.
I look at week 17 games as a plus for two reasons:(1) It extends the season. Why not have 1 more week to enjoy FF? There's already 35 weeks without it, why add one more?

(2) Competitive advantage. If you're better prepared, with quality backups, whether or not Ray Rice sits should be immaterial to your chances. I would think the owner of a fantasy football business would favor of anything that increases - not lessens - the need for his services.

Maybe that's just me.

:shrug:
It's just you. I want to decide the league championship when the vast majority of players are still fully engaged.

One of the color guys on yesterday's broad cast made a reference to "U-Haul games", Specifically mocking the Eagles for packing it in.

If you think "one extra week" of fantasy football is that important, God bless you.
I think African American is the new PC way of saying that. Whats race got to do with it anyway? ;)
 
Because they suck. Half of the players only play sparingly if at all. We do a week 17 in my league to maintain interest, but only for weekly & season hi scores. Our championship is wk 16 and always will be.

Unless they go to an 18 wk schedule :unsure:
I used to be a wk16 advocate, but the rhetoric has become such a joke that now I side with wk17 people out of principle. There were about 5-8 players affected as is usually the case and you can count on one hand the number of guys who sat out. Half the league? I don't think so.Edit to be more excellent to a solid poster.
So after a long, well-managed season it comes down to well I hope none of my guys happen to be among the 5-8? Is there money involved in the leagues of these wk 17 advocates? Im thinking no.
 
Because they suck. Half of the players only play sparingly if at all. We do a week 17 in my league to maintain interest, but only for weekly & season hi scores. Our championship is wk 16 and always will be.

Unless they go to an 18 wk schedule :unsure:
This is such garbage I can't even stand it. I used to be a wk16 advocate, but the rhetoric has become such a joke that now I side with wk17 people out of principle. There were about 5-8 players affected as is usually the case and you can count on one hand the number of guys who sat out. Half the league? Get out of here.
Sorry, but there really isn't a good argument for playing championships in week 17. Even if just a few sit out it isn't fair to the good teams who were unlucky enough to have this happen, while a lesser team steals the title because they got lucky and their best players didn't sit/thread
Rubbish. If you are concerned about a lesser team earning their way into the playoffs, winning playoff games and fighting into the superbowl and then winning it because the better team in your opinion didn't have the skill to have at least one competent back up on his roster, then you really have no business playing in a head to head league. The underdog having a chance is literally the point of playing in a head to head league. Managing the week to week match ups player losses for whatever reason and the lesser teams having a chance to win each week is the allure of a head to head league. If you are only interested in finding the best team you should probably go with a total points league that cuts off week 16 and tosses out each teams two worst and best games just to make sure we have a very accurate count of the winner.

Somes guy think pocket Aces should always win, some people think that would make poker a boring game.

 
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Because they suck. Half of the players only play sparingly if at all. We do a week 17 in my league to maintain interest, but only for weekly & season hi scores. Our championship is wk 16 and always will be.

Unless they go to an 18 wk schedule :unsure:
I used to be a wk16 advocate, but the rhetoric has become such a joke that now I side with wk17 people out of principle. There were about 5-8 players affected as is usually the case and you can count on one hand the number of guys who sat out. Half the league? I don't think so.Edit to be more excellent to a solid poster.
So after a long, well-managed season it comes down to well I hope none of my guys happen to be among the 5-8? Is there money involved in the leagues of these wk 17 advocates? Im thinking no.
If you don't have the foresight to obtain or carry any back ups or have the skill to see that some of your players may not play a full game and plan accordingly I would make the argument that you most certainly did not have a well managed season.
 
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I want to decide the league championship when the vast majority of players are still fully engaged.

One of the color guys on yesterday's broad cast made a reference to "U-Haul games", Specifically mocking the Eagles for packing it in.
Soooooo you are a big proponent of the week 5 superbowl?

 
Because they suck. Half of the players only play sparingly if at all. We do a week 17 in my league to maintain interest, but only for weekly & season hi scores. Our championship is wk 16 and always will be.

Unless they go to an 18 wk schedule :unsure:
I used to be a wk16 advocate, but the rhetoric has become such a joke that now I side with wk17 people out of principle. There were about 5-8 players affected as is usually the case and you can count on one hand the number of guys who sat out. Half the league? I don't think so.Edit to be more excellent to a solid poster.
So after a long, well-managed season it comes down to well I hope none of my guys happen to be among the 5-8? Is there money involved in the leagues of these wk 17 advocates? Im thinking no.
If you don't have the foresight to obtain or carry any back ups or have the skill to see that some of your players may not play a full game and plan accordingly I would make the argument that you most certainly did not have a well managed season.
You're the gourmet around here, Ed.
 
I'm actually in favor of a week 3 Super Bowl. Weeks 1 and 2 are the playoff weeks.

Hear me out. Every team is in the league these three weeks. There is no tanking involved and bye weeks are not involved. Then, the next thirteen weeks are the season. Weeks 4-16 will determine the playoff seedings. So, if your team has a crappy week one, playing for a bye week is known and important to you. Will put more value in the trades you might have to make in the future.

Also, if you score the highest in week 3, you know you will be the Super Bowl champ but you now have to get there. Have a bad week 2 though, and no Super Bowl for you. Each team, after week 3 knows where they stand but also know who they can beat in those weeks since they know the scores already.

Or, another option is to play a 16 game schedule but randomly determine which weeks are week one playoff, week two playoff and Super Bowl. So, there would be no running total of wins/losses until after the season when the playoff weeks are determined and then you would have to retroactively run the schedule.

Or, play each week but space the playoffs. Might be weeks 2, 12, and 15 one year with different weeks the following year. These would add some different variations to the fantasy year.

 
Joe must have really been burnt in a week 17 championship game at some point in his life. How else to explain today's strange note:

Bigger issue - Week 17 Super Bowls are a terrible idea. If you're being forced to play today in the biggest week of your fantasy year, do EVERYTHING you possibly can to get your league to move to a Week 16 Super Bowl like most leagues do now.
I look at week 17 games as a plus for two reasons:(1) It extends the season. Why not have 1 more week to enjoy FF? There's already 35 weeks without it, why add one more?

(2) Competitive advantage. If you're better prepared, with quality backups, whether or not Ray Rice sits should be immaterial to your chances. I would think the owner of a fantasy football business would favor of anything that increases - not lessens - the need for his services.

Maybe that's just me.

:shrug:
It's just you. I want to decide the league championship when the vast majority of players are still fully engaged.

One of the color guys on yesterday's broad cast made a reference to "U-Haul games", Specifically mocking the Eagles for packing it in.

If you think "one extra week" of fantasy football is that important, God bless you.
You think that is specific to week 17? Did you watch the eagles in weeks 12-16? How about the browns the last 3 weeks?
 
Joe must have really been burnt in a week 17 championship game at some point in his life. How else to explain today's strange note:

Bigger issue - Week 17 Super Bowls are a terrible idea. If you're being forced to play today in the biggest week of your fantasy year, do EVERYTHING you possibly can to get your league to move to a Week 16 Super Bowl like most leagues do now.
I look at week 17 games as a plus for two reasons:(1) It extends the season. Why not have 1 more week to enjoy FF? There's already 35 weeks without it, why add one more?

(2) Competitive advantage. If you're better prepared, with quality backups, whether or not Ray Rice sits should be immaterial to your chances. I would think the owner of a fantasy football business would favor of anything that increases - not lessens - the need for his services.

Maybe that's just me.

:shrug:
Let me take a shot at it. The more people that play championships in wk 17, the more people that get screwed when their blue chip guy gets rested, causing them to say "this sucks, I'm not playing FF anymore."That goes against his interests more than whatever paltry revenue he might see in week 17, especially given that lots of us are still here even though we're done with our season.

 
Joe must have really been burnt in a week 17 championship game at some point in his life. How else to explain today's strange note:

Bigger issue - Week 17 Super Bowls are a terrible idea. If you're being forced to play today in the biggest week of your fantasy year, do EVERYTHING you possibly can to get your league to move to a Week 16 Super Bowl like most leagues do now.
I look at week 17 games as a plus for two reasons:(1) It extends the season. Why not have 1 more week to enjoy FF? There's already 35 weeks without it, why add one more?

(2) Competitive advantage. If you're better prepared, with quality backups, whether or not Ray Rice sits should be immaterial to your chances. I would think the owner of a fantasy football business would favor of anything that increases - not lessens - the need for his services.

Maybe that's just me.

:shrug:
It's just you. I want to decide the league championship when the vast majority of players are still fully engaged.

One of the color guys on yesterday's broad cast made a reference to "U-Haul games", Specifically mocking the Eagles for packing it in.

If you think "one extra week" of fantasy football is that important, God bless you.
Edited to add: It changes every year but some teams have nothing to play for (three teams started new QBs yesterday - Oakland, Cleveland, Baltimore)... some late games become meaningless based on earlier ones... some guys get rested for the play-offs... Other guys play but not so much... and sometimes, week 17's real value can be an audition for next year.
The Panthers, Saints, Browns, Raiders, Chargers, Bucs, Lions, Chiefs, Cardinals, Eagles and probably a few more teams had been eliminated from playoff contention for several weeks prior to week 16 or 17 why not play your championship in week 10 before anyone has been mathematically eliminated?
 
I'm surprised that people seem so emotional about this issue.

I've played in money leagues with a week 16 championship, and I've played in money leagues with a week 17 championship. They're both fun. Week 17 championships can be kind of screwy, which is an argument for chopping the pot with two people left (if they want to). But really, every week in fantasy football is kind of screwy in its own way.

Week 17 generally involves more luck than normal, but every singe-week game involves a lot of luck. A two-week championship spanning weeks 16 and 17 involves less random luck than just a straight-up one-week championship in week 16, IMO. But just getting everything done before the madness that is week 17 is nice as well. They both have their place. They're both fun. Having a clear preference one way or the other is perfectly fine, but don't take it personally if other people have the opposite preference. It's all fantasy football to me.

 
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'OrangeCurtain said:
Joe must have really been burnt in a week 17 championship game at some point in his life. How else to explain today's strange note:

Bigger issue - Week 17 Super Bowls are a terrible idea. If you're being forced to play today in the biggest week of your fantasy year, do EVERYTHING you possibly can to get your league to move to a Week 16 Super Bowl like most leagues do now.
I look at week 17 games as a plus for two reasons:(1) It extends the season. Why not have 1 more week to enjoy FF? There's already 35 weeks without it, why add one more?

(2) Competitive advantage. If you're better prepared, with quality backups, whether or not Ray Rice sits should be immaterial to your chances. I would think the owner of a fantasy football business would favor of anything that increases - not lessens - the need for his services.

Maybe that's just me.

:shrug:
Let me take a shot at it. The more people that play championships in wk 17, the more people that get screwed when their blue chip guy gets rested, causing them to say "this sucks, I'm not playing FF anymore."That goes against his interests more than whatever paltry revenue he might see in week 17, especially given that lots of us are still here even though we're done with our season.
I think JB makes his money per year, not per week, so I doubt there's much difference between one more week. Every league is different and unique. If it's one that has been quite involved from like May all the way til week 16, it's frustrating to go into the championship game without three starters.

Most sites mail it in week 17 and are worn out from a long season of work for their visitors. Very few actually put up new reworked rankings and predictions. It's like for one week the NFL doesn't have ADP, Peyton (whatever stars sit, I know those two didn't just an example) so lets rework things-how's his backup gonna do? will they pass more? who will win? Ya start to rerank a little and one player affects two affects four affects eight and...it really is quite involved for a site owner. Again, it's very hard to have worked all year then suddenly have to redo so much just for week 17 so many sites mail it in. FBG seems to adjust and put this work in.

An FF participant playing in a league that loses three starters, probably longs for a draft or extra waiver system or some form of being able to add players. That's usually what bugs me personally. I can't afford to lose the three gems(dynasty) for next year and the replacements available are sooo not worth it. I mean the week 17 waiver wire cupboard is so bare it's most assuredly the worst it's been all year.

I've noticed a lot of frustrated leagues seem to go to a total points format for the playoffs. I don't like this. "Do or die" is like part of sports in my opinion and us old farts that can't still play sports much need that competitiveness. Still, I think total points helps with the week 17 replacement concern. When you're rocking (and keep in mind that you are if you're into week 17) you usually have a nice cushion of points over the other teams.

There's some teams that we all knew at least a month ago could possibly be sitting players. In years past, I've made trades to have better backups and played the waiver wire to add an extra RB etc. once I saw it coming. I imagine most shark pool guys have all been in this predicament and done the same. The "oh my I had no idea" shocked reaction some make when their stars sit week 17 irritates me. I often feel like "cmon now" when that owner writes his whiney email to the league.

Since the 80s, many coaches have only played their stars for a half. I think Dungy and Peyton started this sit a full game trend 10 years ago or so, but players have been sitting out for halves for a long time. Those halves usually aren't useful for FF. This week 17 stuff is not new, even before byes it was week 17 concerns.

I was once in a league that went thru to the Super Bowl and there was a mini trend where other leagues were trying this too. I found that to be unique and fascinating. I know this time of year you're thinking the idea stinks, but you should see how many drafters swear in August that they know who is making the Supe and who is a wildcard team. The August debates of this wildcard team is playing while the good team rests a week but the Supe teams play an extra week...those were fascinating. I never bothered with those thoughts on weeks skipped, but I did think about sure bet playoff teams. Those weeks skipped talkers were changing the value of players...in August...you had to pay attention and consider trading or drafting moves. In FF we often hear some guy standing at a podium claiming this player is a sure bet to be great. You should see how many claim teams are sure bets when ya draft this way.

Sorry for rant...every league is different and it's not about one team, it's about the whole league. If week 17 is best for the league's 12 teams, ya gotta consider that before you boast how it's not good for your one team.

 

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