Why LT2 over Shaun A at 1.01? (1 Viewer)

[cstu]

This is getting exhausting, here are my projections:

SA: 1870 total yds, 19 TDs, 301 fantasy points

LT: 2015 total yds, 16 TDs, 297.5 fantasy points

I'll try to get to your points later.

jurb26,As I said before I think this will be winding down, as we seem to just not agree, and that is fine. Plus, I have to start focusing on my upcoming drafts, and all this typing is cutting into my time.

But, I am shocked you have supported such a strong stance, and put in all this time, and you only see SA as 3.5 points better then LT, this year. If your argument is LT is not way ahead of SA, that is fine, I agree. But, if your point is SA will be better this year, you are cutting it a little close with that projection. But I guess 3.5 pts is 3.5 pts, and if that is what you believe, then you would take him ahead of LT. The title of your thread should read "LT is not the obvious choice over SA, as many say he is."

I know my projections only have LT scoring 19.5 pts more then SA, but at least that is over 1 pt/gm. Anyway, like I said I do think LT could easily do better then my current projections, i was just being safe.

2 things:1. This is not my thread.

2. I never tried to argue that SA was head and shoulders over LT, actaully, others where trying to say just the opposite and have ALL OFF-SEASON LONG. You and a heavy crowd like LT more, I like SA more. That does not bother me in the least and actually is something I will use to play in may favor. I have aquired the 2nd pick in my current redraft and done so for that very purpose, to get SA as I watch the guy ahead of me take LT. Would I be bumbed if he took SA instead, egh, maybe a little. But as you can see the oint differential is not enough for me to loose sleep over. Actually I would be most upset if the guy ahead of me took Manning becuase now I have to leave one of SA or LT there for the #3 guy. At anyrate, the reason I have spent so much time and effort in researching thiss is because of the rediculous notion that LT is head and shoulders above the competition that we read in every mag and web site know to man. It struck me as very starange at 1st sight and prompted me to see if it was true. I feel it is absloutly false. Do I care if people rank LT #1, no. There are very valid reasons to do so. The fact is though, he does not stand out like a Faulk type player.

You obviously have not seen him play much or you would not be saying that. Either that or you are just trying to go against the grain to be different. Basically all SA has going for him over LT is a better OL. If that's enough for you, great, but most of us know what a great player LT is and would MUCH rather have him over SA despite a weaker OL. By the way, sig bet on whether SA has a better 2005 than LT?

 

[jurb26]

The best Faulk did in his first 4 years in the NFL was 4th and Holmes 15th. Faulk didn't rank in the top 3 until he was 25 and Holmes when he was 28. LT has been a dominating player from the beginning of his career and is only 26 this year.

There were a lot of reasons beyond ability that have kept LT from being the top FF player. He played on a terrible team with no OL until last year and he played injured for half of 2004, usually being taken out in the 3rd quarter after he had willed the team to a lead. LT has not had the luxury of being on a dominating offense as did Faulk and Priest.

It's unfair to compare guys that are just about done with their career to a guy just hitting his prime. I'm taking nothing away from Faulk or Priest - from 2000-2003 they put up some of the most greatest RB performances in history. However, LT's 2003 season was up there with Priest and nearly identical to Ahman Green's career year.

Your right it isn't fair to compare LT to them in a fantasy sense, so why do people continue to do so by calling him the "no brainer" #1 overall. Faulk and Holmes EARNED that right by producing as such and seperating themselves from their peers in a disgusting fashion. They were the undisputed Kings of fantasy football for 2 years each and any team that had them likely went to their leagues championship by their mear inclusion to the roster alone. They became such "no brainers" as #1 picks because they finished not just as the #1 RB (something LT has yet to do even once), but the #1 overall player (again something LT has yet to do even once) in back to back seasons. Havnig Faulk or Holmes on your team during those times was just short of having your own personal Grim Reaper showing up to your opponents house the night before games. They almost asured that no matter what the rest of your team did, these guys could still win the week for your team 9 times out of 10. I'm sorry but when you use terms such as "no brainer" and "sure thing" these are the types of players I think of, NOT LT, who's fantasy success is mild in comparision to Faulk and Holmes at this point. Maybe we simply have different definitions of what a "no brainer" #1 overall pick really is, but personally I find this claim to be outragous. If your definition is different then mine the we will simply have to agree to disagree.

 

[jurb26]

This is getting exhausting, here are my projections:

SA: 1870 total yds, 19 TDs, 301 fantasy points

LT: 2015 total yds, 16 TDs, 297.5 fantasy points

I'll try to get to your points later.

jurb26,As I said before I think this will be winding down, as we seem to just not agree, and that is fine. Plus, I have to start focusing on my upcoming drafts, and all this typing is cutting into my time.

But, I am shocked you have supported such a strong stance, and put in all this time, and you only see SA as 3.5 points better then LT, this year. If your argument is LT is not way ahead of SA, that is fine, I agree. But, if your point is SA will be better this year, you are cutting it a little close with that projection. But I guess 3.5 pts is 3.5 pts, and if that is what you believe, then you would take him ahead of LT. The title of your thread should read "LT is not the obvious choice over SA, as many say he is."

I know my projections only have LT scoring 19.5 pts more then SA, but at least that is over 1 pt/gm. Anyway, like I said I do think LT could easily do better then my current projections, i was just being safe.

2 things:1. This is not my thread.

2. I never tried to argue that SA was head and shoulders over LT, actaully, others where trying to say just the opposite and have ALL OFF-SEASON LONG. You and a heavy crowd like LT more, I like SA more. That does not bother me in the least and actually is something I will use to play in may favor. I have aquired the 2nd pick in my current redraft and done so for that very purpose, to get SA as I watch the guy ahead of me take LT. Would I be bumbed if he took SA instead, egh, maybe a little. But as you can see the oint differential is not enough for me to loose sleep over. Actually I would be most upset if the guy ahead of me took Manning becuase now I have to leave one of SA or LT there for the #3 guy. At anyrate, the reason I have spent so much time and effort in researching thiss is because of the rediculous notion that LT is head and shoulders above the competition that we read in every mag and web site know to man. It struck me as very starange at 1st sight and prompted me to see if it was true. I feel it is absloutly false. Do I care if people rank LT #1, no. There are very valid reasons to do so. The fact is though, he does not stand out like a Faulk type player.

You obviously have not seen him play much or you would not be saying that. Either that or you are just trying to go against the grain to be different. Basically all SA has going for him over LT is a better OL. If that's enough for you, great, but most of us know what a great player LT is and would MUCH rather have him over SA despite a weaker OL. By the way, sig bet on whether SA has a better 2005 than LT?

Could you have missed the point any more?

 

[cstu]

This is getting exhausting, here are my projections:

SA: 1870 total yds, 19 TDs, 301 fantasy points

LT: 2015 total yds, 16 TDs, 297.5 fantasy points

I'll try to get to your points later.

jurb26,As I said before I think this will be winding down, as we seem to just not agree, and that is fine. Plus, I have to start focusing on my upcoming drafts, and all this typing is cutting into my time.

But, I am shocked you have supported such a strong stance, and put in all this time, and you only see SA as 3.5 points better then LT, this year. If your argument is LT is not way ahead of SA, that is fine, I agree. But, if your point is SA will be better this year, you are cutting it a little close with that projection. But I guess 3.5 pts is 3.5 pts, and if that is what you believe, then you would take him ahead of LT. The title of your thread should read "LT is not the obvious choice over SA, as many say he is."

I know my projections only have LT scoring 19.5 pts more then SA, but at least that is over 1 pt/gm. Anyway, like I said I do think LT could easily do better then my current projections, i was just being safe.

2 things:1. This is not my thread.

2. I never tried to argue that SA was head and shoulders over LT, actaully, others where trying to say just the opposite and have ALL OFF-SEASON LONG. You and a heavy crowd like LT more, I like SA more. That does not bother me in the least and actually is something I will use to play in may favor. I have aquired the 2nd pick in my current redraft and done so for that very purpose, to get SA as I watch the guy ahead of me take LT. Would I be bumbed if he took SA instead, egh, maybe a little. But as you can see the oint differential is not enough for me to loose sleep over. Actually I would be most upset if the guy ahead of me took Manning becuase now I have to leave one of SA or LT there for the #3 guy. At anyrate, the reason I have spent so much time and effort in researching thiss is because of the rediculous notion that LT is head and shoulders above the competition that we read in every mag and web site know to man. It struck me as very starange at 1st sight and prompted me to see if it was true. I feel it is absloutly false. Do I care if people rank LT #1, no. There are very valid reasons to do so. The fact is though, he does not stand out like a Faulk type player.

You obviously have not seen him play much or you would not be saying that. Either that or you are just trying to go against the grain to be different. Basically all SA has going for him over LT is a better OL. If that's enough for you, great, but most of us know what a great player LT is and would MUCH rather have him over SA despite a weaker OL. By the way, sig bet on whether SA has a better 2005 than LT?

Could you have missed the point any more?

No, I get your point - you don't consider LT "head and shoulders" above everyone else. I clearly understand that you like SA more, but what I can't understand is why. If you can elaborate on why reasons you have for ranking SA higher I would love to see it.By the way, SA's #1 RB ranking was the weakest since Terry Allen in 1996. He even did it in 1 more game than LT who didn't play week 17. Had he played he only needed to get 20 points to be the #1 RB.

 

[jurb26]

No, I get your point - you don't consider LT "head and shoulders" above everyone else. I clearly understand that you like SA more, but what I can't understand is why. If you can elaborate on why reasons you have for ranking SA higher I would love to see it.

I thought that I had done this already. If you don't agree with my reason, thats fine and thats what makes this fun. I had thought I stated them rather clearly though.

 

[cstu]

No, I get your point - you don't consider LT "head and shoulders" above everyone else. I clearly understand that you like SA more, but what I can't understand is why. If you can elaborate on why reasons you have for ranking SA higher I would love to see it.

I thought that I had done this already. If you don't agree with my reason, thats fine and thats what makes this fun. I had thought I stated them rather clearly though.

Ok, I found your post on the first page and here is what I think about the points you made:1) LT's low YPC - yes, he's had two seasons with a YPC under 4.0 (3.6 his rookie year and 3.9 last year). His rookie year he did struggle after the first 4 games once teams figured out that if they stopped LT they could win. Do you realize how bad that team was? They started off well but self-destructed in the middle of the season. I also don't think LT's YPC last means anything considering he played weeks 5-9 injured and that's what brought his YPC down.

2) Losing the OL coach - ok, this I understand and it is a valid point. However, the OL returns intact this year and Houck already taught them how to play together.

3) Gates as TD vulture - how is this different than the situation Priest has had in KC with Gonzo? I could just as easy imagine SA losing out on TD's if Seattle's WR's are finally able to hold onto the ball. The death of Martyball is premature so don't expect the Chargers to do anything different in the redzone.

4) The only reason LT was able to maintian his high level of fantasy success is because SD, the TEAM, managed to put him in the readzone at a rediculously higher rate than years before. Are you really expecting this team, which by common opinion played wel above their heads, to do that well agian and give LT the same amount of chances to score? LT had 85 carries in the readzone last year while only getting 55 and 51 the years before.

This is the one I'm having a hard time understanding. So basically you are saying that LT got the most redzone carries of his career and was only able to score three more than his previous high? I guess that's a valid point if he were healthy all year. This one comes down to if you believe the Chargers offense was for real or a fluke. You're already saying that Gates is a TD vulture, doesn't that mean they will be moving the ball fine? I think it's better that the offense has more weapons now since LT will still get a majority of the carries when they get down to the goal line.

4) Why is it that nobody ever wants to talk about he 4 year low LT had in Rec last year... think the emergance of Gates may have had a little to do with that maybe? I sure do!

I will all but guarantee that the days of LT catching 100 balls are gone, but he still had 53 catches - SA has only had more than that once in his career. LT will never be eliminated from the passing game since he's a great receiver. Even after Gates being a bigger part of the offense he still had over 50 catches, I think that says a lot.

5) SA is in a much more stable offence with a better Oline. Sea had a top 3 Oline last year and actually upgraded it for this season. SA is as consistent at scoring as anyone and with him signed I think he chould be at least on par with that of LT, higher IMO though.

Again, this comes down to one difference between LT and SA - their OL's. For this reason I can understand ranking SA #1. He's a great RB in his own right and is a very good receiver out of the backfield. The downside of SA? He's coming off a career high in carries, yards, YPC, and TD's, as well as career lows receiving. He's also two years older than LT at 28 this year. Add in the fact that LT is literally obsessed with becoming the greatest of all time and SA seems content to do whatever it takes to cash in, I'd find it difficult to take SA over LT.

 

[gump]

Add in the fact that LT is literally obsessed with becoming the greatest of all time and SA seems content to do whatever it takes to cash in, I'd find it difficult to take SA over LT.

I'm going with LT with my #1 pick, but I have to take exception to this point. I see this alot on these boards, but not sure what gives anyone the idea that SA doesn't care about football and is content to coast thru a career for money. He doesn't seem obsessed with the game because he cares about family, friends, and his faith just as much as football.

He wouldn't be a huge success at every level if it were otherwise.

 

[cstu]

Add in the fact that LT is literally obsessed with becoming the greatest of all time and SA seems content to do whatever it takes to cash in, I'd find it difficult to take SA over LT.

I'm going with LT with my #1 pick, but I have to take exception to this point. I see this alot on these boards, but not sure what gives anyone the idea that SA doesn't care about football and is content to coast thru a career for money. He doesn't seem obsessed with the game because he cares about family, friends, and his faith just as much as football.

He wouldn't be a huge success at every level if it were otherwise.

Of course he works hard at what he does, but he comes across as someone who looks at playing mostly as a paycheck and accolades rather than enjoying the game and trying to win. That's probably not completely accurate in reality, but things like crying over not getting the rushing title and doing everything he could to leave Seattle gives people that impression.

 

[Marc Levin]

jurb - do you contest that SA is less likely than LT to get 2G total yards?

I'm a bottom line kind of guy, and LT's receiving numbers - and his CONSISTENT receiving numbers seem to indicate, to me at leastm that he is much more likely to hit his high average each week than SA.

I'm not saying there is no argument for SA over LT - esp. in leagues that do not reward pt/rec - but in a pt/rec league, IMO, LT over SA is a no brainer.

Yes, but are you willing to contest that LT is less likely to get 20 total TDs.Are you telling me you can not see how Gates holds a direct relationship to LT's rec numbers?

Gonzo doesn't hirt Priest's numbers (when he is healthy), so, yes, I contest that.I do not believe LT will drop from his annual total TD numbers , or receiving numbers just b/c of Gates. Gates set a friggin' TE TD record!! That is the number that will be coming down, not the Chargers' use of LT in the receiving game.

 

[Marc Levin]

Add in the fact that LT is literally obsessed with becoming the greatest of all time and SA seems content to do whatever it takes to cash in, I'd find it difficult to take SA over LT.

I'm going with LT with my #1 pick, but I have to take exception to this point. I see this alot on these boards, but not sure what gives anyone the idea that SA doesn't care about football and is content to coast thru a career for money.

 

[Marc Levin]

This is getting exhausting, here are my projections:

SA: 1870 total yds, 19 TDs, 301 fantasy points

LT: 2015 total yds, 16 TDs, 297.5 fantasy points

I'll try to get to your points later.

Break it down - I need to at least see rushing yeards v. receiving yards and number of receptions to accurately judge your "fantasy points" projections.As I have (repeatedly) said, a great argument exists for SA = LT in non-pt/rec. leagues. In pt/rec. leagues, LT is a no-brainer selection as the #1 overall RB.

 

[jurb26]

This is getting exhausting, here are my projections:

SA: 1870 total yds, 19 TDs, 301 fantasy points

LT: 2015 total yds, 16 TDs, 297.5 fantasy points

I'll try to get to your points later.

Break it down - I need to at least see rushing yeards v. receiving yards and number of receptions to accurately judge your "fantasy points" projections.As I have (repeatedly) said, a great argument exists for SA = LT in non-pt/rec. leagues. In pt/rec. leagues, LT is a no-brainer selection as the #1 overall RB.

You can find it in the spotlight threads.Nevermind I'll just save you the work cuz they have been updated since then anyway:

SA: 350 carries, 35 rec

LT: 350 carries, 50 rec

 

[jurb26]

jurb - do you contest that SA is less likely than LT to get 2G total yards?

I'm a bottom line kind of guy, and LT's receiving numbers - and his CONSISTENT receiving numbers seem to indicate, to me at leastm that he is much more likely to hit his high average each week than SA.

I'm not saying there is no argument for SA over LT - esp. in leagues that do not reward pt/rec - but in a pt/rec league, IMO, LT over SA is a no brainer.

Yes, but are you willing to contest that LT is less likely to get 20 total TDs.Are you telling me you can not see how Gates holds a direct relationship to LT's rec numbers?

Gonzo doesn't hirt Priest's numbers (when he is healthy), so, yes, I contest that.I do not believe LT will drop from his annual total TD numbers , or receiving numbers just b/c of Gates. Gates set a friggin' TE TD record!! That is the number that will be coming down, not the Chargers' use of LT in the receiving game.

And how many things can you list other than a suid TE that KC and SD have in common? Very poor comparision IMO and I don't think I should have to go into detail as to why.

 

[gump]

Of course he works hard at what he does, but he comes across as someone who looks at playing mostly as a paycheck and accolades rather than enjoying the game and trying to win. That's probably not completely accurate in reality, but things like crying over not getting the rushing title and doing everything he could to leave Seattle gives people that impression.

So SA is pi$$ed that he doesn't get the ball enough...and he wants long-term financial stability.Still not sure how that makes anyone believe he is coasting or doesn't have heart.

I still agree that LT is the better pick, just not for that reason.

 

[bocksheesh]

Let's see where we're at with this discussion these days.LT2's 55 yard TD rumble against STL was tantalizing. SA looked good against the Cowboys, if not unspectacular on MNF.Advantage, LT2?

 

[Colin Dowling]

My spotlight piece is $$$ content, but I'd be interested in hearing if people agree/disagree with the logic I pose.Colin

 

[Gr00vus]

My spotlight piece is $$$ content, but I'd be interested in hearing if people agree/disagree with the logic I pose.

Colin

Most of your reasoning is solid - (I don't really buy into the Seahawks being a better/more stable situation than the Chargers in any way a t this point - that's a whole different discussion) but I'll still take LaDainian #1. Their averages and their floors are almost identical (well actually LaDainain does usually put up more combined yards, another edge to LaDainian). LaDainian's ceiling is higher - much higher I think - than Shaun's. That's the deciding factor for me. Considering Shaun over LaDainian to me is clearly a case of last year statsitis which is also happening with Peyton Manning and Mushin. I think last year was Shaun's career season - I see Shaun comming off those numbers this year, and while 2003 may be LaDainain's career season I think he can match it and perhaps surpass it going forward.

 

[Marc Levin]

My spotlight piece is $$$ content, but I'd be interested in hearing if people agree/disagree with the logic I pose.

Colin

Most of your reasoning is solid - (I don't really buy into the Seahawks being a better/more stable situation than the Chargers in any way a t this point - that's a whole different discussion) but I'll still take LaDainian #1. Their averages and their floors are almost identical (well actually LaDainain does usually put up more combined yards, another edge to LaDainian). LaDainian's ceiling is higher - much higher I think - than Shaun's. That's the deciding factor for me. Considering Shaun over LaDainian to me is clearly a case of last year statsitis which is also happening with Peyton Manning and Mushin. I think last year was Shaun's career season - I see Shaun comming off those numbers this year, and while 2003 may be LaDainain's career season I think he can match it and perhaps surpass it going forward.

Why can LT match or surpass his early "career" year, but SA can't? I don;t think SA gets any better this year over last year, but I can certainly see him at some pont in his future having a more productive "career" year.

 

[Poloboy]

LT without a doubt. We can discuss schedules and offensive line and what not. When it comes down to it is talent. LT without question has raw talent. I'm not saying Shaun A doesn't. But LT is just finess player. In the end you know who'll produce more, LT.

 

[Gr00vus]

Why can LT match or surpass his early "career" year, but SA can't? I don;t think SA gets any better this year over last year, but I can certainly see him at some pont in his future having a more productive "career" year.

1) Watching them play. LaDainian is a better running back than Shaun, in every facet of the game. That's the biggest reason. If LaDainian stays healthy he'll end up one of the all time greats. Shaun is a good running back.2) Age. Not as important, but LaDainian(26) is younger than Shaun (28). Simplistically this could translate into two "extra" years LaDainian has to set a new career peak. On a side note it would be interesting to see the number of running backs who set new career peaks past their 28th birthday. Just looking at at the post 1970 (is that modern era?) hall of famers (Emmitt, Walter, Eric Dickerson, O.J., Dorsett, Harris, Allen, Campbell, Csonka,) it doesn't look like it happens that often - none of them managed it. Barry did it, and Riggins did too - so it's not impossible, but I find it very unlikely.

3)Intangibles - yeah it's nebulous but it sure seems like LaDainain is more focused about being the best football player he can be than Shaun. It also shows in their approach on the field - Shaun tends to go down a bit easier, tends to dance around a bit more rather than admitting there is no big play to be had and hitting the hole for three yards.

Edited to add: Even so, you're really picking nits. Let's say they both manage to meet their career years again - which one would you rather have? Which one do you think would be more likely to reproduce LaDainian's 2003 in the next few years? LaDainian or some other guy? If some other guy, please explain how/why....

 

[4 - Digit Shark]

My spotlight piece is $$$ content, but I'd be interested in hearing if people agree/disagree with the logic I pose.

Colin

Not to give away too much info, for the non-paying members, but I'll pick out a few things from the spotlight:You take an average of the last two years which is fine, but do not at all consider, or factory in that LT was hampered by a lingering injury last year. I think it has to be taken into consideration and mentioned. I know he still had a lot of touches, but he would have had more, and may have been more productive if 100%. Even with this, he has averaged more pts/gm then SA.

Also, you point out that LT has averaged 96.13 rush, 37.61 rec, 1.1 TD / game. SA averaged 97.84 rush, 14.53 rec, 1.125 TD / game. Then you say "Numerically, Tomlinson is a better bet in terms of receiving numbers, but most every other category is in Alexander’s favor, albeit slightly." Slightly should be highlighted here. SA has outdone LT by only 1.71yd/gm and 0.025TD/gm. That is only 0.321 pts/gm when factoring in rush yards and TD's only. But because LT's advantage in the rec yards is so great, by the numbers you posted he has outscored SA on average per game 19.974 to 17.987. That's a hair under 2 points per game.

SA may be in a more consistent offense, when looking at both over the past few years, but LT had his best seasons when San Diego was at their worst. So I see no reason or situation that would keep LT from getting his #'s, barring injury.

I agree both are great picks, and SA has been as consistent as the sun coming up every morning. Both will get you a ton of points, but I just think LT is the better choice. It comes down to a statement/question I have posted several other times in this thread:

Why would I want to take a RB (SA) who has to improve on his best season ever, to match another RB's (LT's) average over his last three seasons? What is more likely to happen, SA will have another "CAREER YEAR" this year, or LT will have an "AVERAGE YEAR", this year?

Earlier in this thread I spent WAY too much time debating this topic, and if anyone wants to see where I stand, and why I feel LT is the better pick, please go back and read up. I have too much work to do before my big $$$$$ draft on 9/3, to go back and forth on this again.

 

[cstu]

bump

 

[jurb26]

 

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YOu guys going to bumping this on the 6-7 weeks when SA Fails to get into the endzone?

 

[jurb26]

]YOu guys going to bumping this on the 6-7 weeks when SA Fails to get into the endzone?

You actually think that there will be 6-7 weeks when this guy doesn't score. Are you predicting injury?

 

[dickey moe]

My answer so far: Two Passing TDs beeyotch!!

 

[Wingnut]

My answer so far: Two Passing TDs beeyotch!!

What about the leagues that only give 3 or 4 for TD passes? LT owners are getting shart changed in those leagues. Ill take Shauns rushing TDs over LTs passing TDs.

edit: but Id take LTs end of season totals over Shauns.

 

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,Oct 16 2005, 10:15 PM]YOu guys going to bumping this on the 6-7 weeks when SA Fails to get into the endzone?

You actually think that there will be 6-7 weeks when this guy doesn't score. Are you predicting injury?

Last year there were 6 weeks when he failed to get in the endzone.... 4 the year before... 8 the year before that. There has already been one game this year when he was shut out. I'd say there will be at least 3 more...

LT just got in for the 17th week straight... he hasn't been shut out since week 3 of last year.

 

[Wingnut]

]Last year there were 6 weeks when he failed to get in the endzone.... 4 the year before... 8 the year before that.

AQctually there were only 5 last year.Weeks 2, 7, 10, 12, and 15

 

[jurb26]

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,Oct 16 2005, 10:15 PM]YOu guys going to bumping this on the 6-7 weeks when SA Fails to get into the endzone?

You actually think that there will be 6-7 weeks when this guy doesn't score. Are you predicting injury?

Last year there were 6 weeks when he failed to get in the endzone.... 4 the year before... 8 the year before that. There has already been one game this year when he was shut out. I'd say there will be at least 3 more...

LT just got in for the 17th week straight... he hasn't been shut out since week 3 of last year.

In case you missed it, Sea has a better O this year. The Oline is actually BETTER than even those years.

 

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,Oct 16 2005, 11:21 PM]

Last year there were 6 weeks when he failed to get in the endzone.... 4 the year before... 8 the year before that.

AQctually there were only 5 last year.Weeks 2, 7, 10, 12, and 15

Week 14? (I was referring to rushing TDs only)

However, if you'd like to compare REC TDs between LT2 and SA we can do that as well

They are both top shelf RBs, but I'd prefer the steady performance of LT2 (1-2 TDs per week with almost dead certainty) instead of 4TDs one week then none 25-30% of the weeks (over the last 3 years).

 

[Wingnut]

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,Oct 16 2005, 11:21 PM]

Last year there were 6 weeks when he failed to get in the endzone.... 4 the year before... 8 the year before that.

AQctually there were only 5 last year.Weeks 2, 7, 10, 12, and 15

Week 14? (I was referring to rushing TDs only)

However, if you'd like to compare REC TDs between LT2 and SA we can do that as well

I thought you meant endzone, period. My bad. Both are freaks and are welcome on my squad anytime.

 

[jurb26]

,Oct 16 2005, 11:25 PM]

,Oct 16 2005, 11:21 PM]

Last year there were 6 weeks when he failed to get in the endzone.... 4 the year before... 8 the year before that.

AQctually there were only 5 last year.Weeks 2, 7, 10, 12, and 15

Week 14? (I was referring to rushing TDs only)

However, if you'd like to compare REC TDs between LT2 and SA we can do that as well

I thought you meant endzone, period. My bad. Both are freaks and are welcome on my squad anytime.

That's because he was at 1st, then backtracked.

 

[GOBIRDZ]

AS DEION SANDERS SAID IN THE PIZZA COMMERCIAL:I'll Take BOTHI got em both in a 12 team Keeper League...SWEEEEEEET........

 

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,Oct 16 2005, 11:25 PM]

,Oct 16 2005, 11:21 PM]

Last year there were 6 weeks when he failed to get in the endzone.... 4 the year before... 8 the year before that.

AQctually there were only 5 last year.Weeks 2, 7, 10, 12, and 15

Week 14? (I was referring to rushing TDs only)

However, if you'd like to compare REC TDs between LT2 and SA we can do that as well

I thought you meant endzone, period. My bad. Both are freaks and are welcome on my squad anytime.

That's because he was at 1st, then backtracked.

Thank god I've got you to read my mind. I was referring to rushing TDs.. regardless.... SA lacks the consistency that LT2 provides.... 4TD weeks are nice but when they come at the expense of having to put up with several 0TD weeks I'll pass.

Regardless... you guys keep bumping this thread when SA has his big weeks... and I'll just chuckle when it doesn't get bumped 3-4 times over the next 10 games.

Have a great season guy

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

The only thing that seperates the 2 in FF is the consistency factor. Right now LT is the number 1 most consistent RB in football as his streak of 18 games in a row with a TD are evident of this. Consistency is the difference in this debate. SA is definitely consistent as well but not like LT.

 

[Buckna]

,Oct 16 2005, 10:21 PM]

,Oct 16 2005, 10:15 PM]YOu guys going to bumping this on the 6-7 weeks when SA Fails to get into the endzone?

You actually think that there will be 6-7 weeks when this guy doesn't score. Are you predicting injury?

Last year there were 6 weeks when he failed to get in the endzone.... 4 the year before... 8 the year before that. There has already been one game this year when he was shut out. I'd say there will be at least 3 more...

LT just got in for the 17th week straight... he hasn't been shut out since week 3 of last year.

In case you missed it, Sea has a better O this year. The Oline is actually BETTER than even those years.

One could argue that Seattle's pre-season SOS was much better this year than previous years. So far, their SOS is matching that prediction too. SA should throw up some huge numbers following their BYE week. He's going to be huge during the playoff stretch!

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I would say:LT -1ASA -1Bwin-win.

 

[KevT]

Both were and still are great picks, but you can't ignore LT's record of 18 straight games with a TD, great for head to head leagues.

 

[Wadsworth]

The biggest differince between the two is that you couldn't have gotten LT2 for a second or maybe third round pick before the draft.

 

[brettdj]

My answer so far: Two Passing TDs beeyotch!!

What about the leagues that only give 3 or 4 for TD passes? LT owners are getting shart changed in those leagues. Ill take Shauns rushing TDs over LTs passing TDs.

edit: but Id take LTs end of season totals over Shauns.

But in my league, we get extra points for TDs out of position. Double for RBs throwing or receiving.

 

[shuke]

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]Last year there were 6 weeks when he failed to get in the endzone.... 4 the year before... 8 the year before that.

AQctually there were only 5 last year.Weeks 2, 7, 10, 12, and 15

Week 14? (I was referring to rushing TDs only)

However, if you'd like to compare REC TDs between LT2 and SA we can do that as well

I thought you meant endzone, period. My bad. Both are freaks and are welcome on my squad anytime.

That's because he was at 1st, then backtracked.

Thank god I've got you to read my mind. I was referring to rushing TDs.. regardless....

Why? Are you in leagues that don't award points for receiving TDs?

 

[jurb26]

]YOu guys going to bumping this on the 6-7 weeks when SA Fails to get into the endzone?

Call it failing to read your mind if you like. I like to simply call it knowing how to read. Where is the mention of rushing TDs here?

 

[Twisted]

They are both STUDS and we'd all like to own either. SO lets just leave it at that.I am just glad I own SA in several leagues. Now if only I could trade for LT...

 

[jurb26]

Now that both have had their bye weeksPG SA, 23.81PPG LT, 23.81

 

[Sweeper]

In the upcoming Alexander Spotlight, I detail that Alexander, not LT2, should be the #1 pick in non-PPR leagues.

Colin

Damn you, HERD. I was all set to follow Yudkin's logic and draft Holmes at 1.02 ( I assume LT2 to be taken first) and now you're going to force me to rethink everything.

Hopefully you did ...eh?

 

[Keys Myaths]

Now that both have had their bye weeks:

PPG SA, 23.81

PPG LT, 23.81

It's all a moo point.

 

[Banger]

does it really matter? They're both good and both worthy of the top pick.

 

[jurb26]

Now that both have had their bye weeks:

PPG SA, 23.81

PPG LT, 23.81

It's all a moo point.

How so, your not interested in who the top RB in FF is this year?

 

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Now that both have had their bye weeks:

PPG SA, 23.81

PPG LT, 23.81

Just FYI:I Play in a PPR League with 20/6 scoring and these are the totals:

LT2 - 189.89 pts

SAL - 167.75 pts

The next closest RBs:

Jordan - 154

Edge - 144

SJax - 124

Tiki - 121