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He busted out two years ago so he's not a secret. I don't think many would be surprised if he was top 6, though we don't quite know what to make of the offense. If it runs through Gore like it did two years ago the sky is the limit.
People are also worried about the Matrz effect. I think SF will be more like Detriot with Martz then St. Louis with Martz.
He is getting way too much love imo. With Martz calling the plays I'll let someone else grab this guy in rd1 and laugh at the end of the season.Because Mike Martz isn't exactly in love with running the ball?He's still going top 8 from what I have seen
He's a top talent at the position , no doubt.Its the system that he's in that scares me to death. One comparison about Gore that is repeated, ad nauseum, and doesn't really apply is, 'Marshall Faulk'...everyone seems to think Gore is going to be another Marshall Faulk in this offense..things couldn't be further from the truth,IMO..At least Faulk had hall of fame talent surrounding him, including Holt, I. Bruce, a solid line, and a great QB in Kurt Warner..Gore has Alex Smith, a shaky line, a washed-up I. Bruce and a collection of never-has-been WR's, and HOF'er Larry Allen has just retired. They're learning a new system which doesn't run the ball much..Gore also have plenty of injury issues...SF in going to be one of the worst teams in the NFL this season...I like Gore, but I don't like his current situation one bit
With Martz in town opposing defenses will be respecting the 49er passing game more than last year.
He's getting plenty of love as he's ranked 6th on FBG's currently. There hasn't been a lot of threads or chatter about him because at this point people know what he is which is a solid RB regardless if the team is good or bad. He'll get his touch's and the only reason he isn't ranked above Addai is TD's.
Not until they prove it on the field, I dont see it happening with that roster.
Will Buffalo's offense be that much better than SFs this year?
I think so, but i also think thier defense will be better than friscos and that factors in.
Does this mean that you are knocking Adrian Peterson out of the 1-2 slot as well? Having Peterson ranked in the Top 10 is reasonable for sure, but IMO 1-2 is outrageous considering his opportunity.Be fair now ... Minnesota was 28th in Passing Offense in 2007 ... San Francisco was 32nd ... not a whole lot to be happy with either way. Tarvaris Jackson and Co. are not going to keep anybody honest in 2008 either. Jackson's stat line was abysmal at QB 27, and I don't see him making any better decisions nor do I see a receiver corp that is going to blow anyone up. Martz at least has a history of turning Offenses into productive units and I'd give them the upper hand over Minnesota.
Minnesota has arguably the best O line in football. The passing game in that situation is irrelevant. I could QB there and Peterson would still get his.
Brutis said:
I think there's more reasons to believe in the BUF offense than the SF offense. Both are more likely to be bad than good, but I think BUF's chances of being good are better - SF's was the worst in the NFL last year, their offseason moves? A new OC, an over the hill WR, an under achieving WR, a mediocre backup RB, and they lost a Pro Bowl OG. I don't see what they've done to significantly improve their offense.Why believe in Buffalo? The most common year for a QB to take a big step is the 2nd year, the OLine is improved, **** Jauron has next to zero say in what the offense does this year (those familiar with Jauron realize this is a real good thing), and the defense could really surprise people - they just need to find a second weapon in the passing game.
They went from a horrible OC to an over rated/average OC, yes it's an upgrade but a HUGE one? I don't think so. I equate the upgrade to that of Oakland's last year, which helped the offense but not significantly.
Agreed on the first point, but as for the second, why are two seasons as the starter on one of the worst teams in the NFL indicative of future performance under a new offensive coordinator? It's not like this is someone with a lengthy track record, like Fred Taylor or Warrick Dunn for example, for whom "he's never done this" might mean something, right?Jeff Haseley said:
It's a fact? and not everybody here believes Martz is that much of an upgrade. If you're a Martz disciple then you probably believe Gore can trump the 8 TD figure, not all of us believe in Martz though. He was the OC for a great offense that possessed elite weapons. Give him less weapons and the offense is just average. An OC is only as good as the tools he has to work with, the tools in Frisco are not good. I think 8 TD's sounds about right. If the offense is to excel I think Vernon Davis is the key.
Never = two years as a starting RB.. nice choice of wording. Westbrook has never rushed for more than 7 TDs. But not the point. Technically speaking, there was a receiving TD that year for Gore and 2,100 total yards. Detroit is not SF which is not St Louis. I think parallels between the 3 Martz teams is folly.Jeff Haseley said:
Thats exactly what happened to KJ last year. One game he would get 15 carries and the next he would get 4. Thats martz for ya, enjoy.
Barring injury, I think he can improve this year. I think Gore holds added value in leagues that are ppr or .5 ppr. But he is a risk/reward pick.
All of that's fine, but to talk about concluding this because he's "never" done it is ludicrous. Marion Barber has never been a clear cut starting RB, and yet everyone's got him firmly around the RB6 ranking. And don't even get me started on the rookie rankings.
This is absolute nonsense. He's missed three games in three years. One game last year. ZERO games two years ago. Two games in his rookie season.His college injury prone label should no longer apply. At a certain point you need to look at his NFL career thus far...and missing one game per year shouldn't garner you the injury concern.
Actually, when KJ is getting 15-20 carries he does pretty well. Problem is when detroit was down by 3 points in the 2nd quarter martz would panic and pass every down the rest of the game. How often do you think SF will be down in the 2nd quarter? Im betting quite a bit and by alot more than 3 points. Good luck with gore.
This is the truth right here. 49er fans aren't always known for being very vocal about their team, but Mike Nolan keeping Jim Hostler around for so long really set some of us off. Someone even planned to fly a plane over the stadium during a game with a sign behind it saying "Fire Jim Hostler/Mike Nolan" or something (not sure if they went through with it). Martz is smart enough to know what he has here as opposed to what he had in Detroit. Assuming he'll do the same thing here that he did there is baseless. Look at the stats of the offenses he runs. They all improve. I don't understand why he gets such a bad rap.
thats the thing, martz loves to pass and not run. especially if behind or if he feels his Oline cant run block.buyer beware
Marshall Faulk averaged just under 900 yards a year under Martz; so what if Martz takes what the Defense gives him. I'd take Faulk's average production under Martz any day of the week ...AVG : 255 - 1374 - 12 - 84 - 881 - 7 ==> 339.5 Fantasy PointsAnd Gore is capable of producing this too!bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Yeah, he's in love with throwing to his RBs - which is why Gore will have a good year.Because Mike Martz isn't exactly in love with running the ball?
Not true, in my 2006 ppr league KJ under Martz finished as the 12th scoring RB for the year. He was also injured for 4 weeks and in weekly average he finished at #6 RB in scoring.
fair point, but are you willing to use your #6-#8 overall pick (redraft) on a "good" year?unless your idea of good is around 280/1260/10; 65/520/3I think MBIII has a better shot of getting those numbers than Gore.Yeah, he's in love with throwing to his RBs - which is why Gore will have a good year.Because Mike Martz isn't exactly in love with running the ball?
He's not my RB6, I don't count?
It's all about risk, I think taking the risk that MB3 will get 300-325 touches is a better risk than thinking the SF offense will be good.Don't be so sure... Bruce and B Johnson are nice upgrades over what they were working with in 07
This WILL NOT happen. Felix Jones will be on the field way too much. Felix is a significant upgrade over Julius and will see his fair share once he gets settled into the system.He's not my RB6, I don't count?It's all about risk, I think taking the risk that MB3 will get 300-325 touches is a better risk than thinking the SF offense will be good.
Lots of 'wills' for a rookie unknown that is reportedly struggling mightily with blocking and is expected to line up out wide (with MB3 in the backfield) in several formations. It's possible MB3 doesn't get his increased touches, but 'will?' That's not true, unless you happen to be Jason Garrett.This WILL NOT happen. Felix Jones will be on the field way too much. Felix is a significant upgrade over Julius and will see his fair share once he gets settled into the system.He's not my RB6, I don't count?
gore doesnt have the collection of talent around him that faulk did. nor what kjones had around him in detroit either
