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Why no Ryan Mathews love...? (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter TheDirtyWord
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ya didnt he return from the high ankle sprain in a week or 2 and put up over 5ypc? the slow healing stuff is just bullcrap. no one knows how serious these injuries are. jennings was supposed to be back after the bye but now its looking like he may miss more games. its like, mebbe mcl injuries take awhile.
Frustrated Matthews owner that has been holding him all year basically. I also missed out on Branden Oliver.
Silver lining for me seems to be that Oliver is slowing down and looking rather pedestrian. It seems like the Chargers are in need of a running game, and should be prepared for a playoff run with Matthews running the ball and Oliver being the 3rd down, COP back.
Hopefully, he comes back strong after the bye.
Silver lining for me seems to be that Oliver is slowing down and looking rather pedestrian. It seems like the Chargers are in need of a running game, and should be prepared for a playoff run with Matthews running the ball and Oliver being the 3rd down, COP back.
Hopefully, he comes back strong after the bye.
shady inc
Footballguy
Per Rotoworld:
According to the Union-Tribune San Diego, there is a "chance" Ryan Mathews (knee) could return for the Chargers' Week 9 game against the Dolphins.
Mathews' MCL sprain has cost him six weeks. As the Chargers have begun to lose games, they may feel more urgency to get their best early-down runner back on the field. "That's in my head," Mathews said Friday of a potential Week 9 return. "I'm just going keep doing my treatment this week, come back on Monday, and see what they (team doctors) say." Per beat writer Michael Gehlken, Mathews is "clearly close," looks conditioned, and his "right knee was stable" during a Thursday evening workout before San Diego's loss to Denver. Mathews should be stashed in all fantasy leagues. Oct 24 - 9:10 PM
Anyone think he'll reclaim the starting role? Does Oliver just play 3rd downs or do they rotate drives?
According to the Union-Tribune San Diego, there is a "chance" Ryan Mathews (knee) could return for the Chargers' Week 9 game against the Dolphins.
Mathews' MCL sprain has cost him six weeks. As the Chargers have begun to lose games, they may feel more urgency to get their best early-down runner back on the field. "That's in my head," Mathews said Friday of a potential Week 9 return. "I'm just going keep doing my treatment this week, come back on Monday, and see what they (team doctors) say." Per beat writer Michael Gehlken, Mathews is "clearly close," looks conditioned, and his "right knee was stable" during a Thursday evening workout before San Diego's loss to Denver. Mathews should be stashed in all fantasy leagues. Oct 24 - 9:10 PM
Anyone think he'll reclaim the starting role? Does Oliver just play 3rd downs or do they rotate drives?
Joe Summer
Footballguy
ESPN has upgraded him to Questionable, which screws up my IR spot. 
shady inc
Footballguy
looks like my previous post was a bit premature
The Union-Tribune San Diego's Michael Gehlken reports that it "appears likely" Ryan Mathews (knee) is held out through the Chargers' Week 10 bye.
Mathews once again didn't practice Wednesday. He's been out since spraining his MCL on September 14. With Branden Oliver playing well in San Diego's backfield, there's no need to rush Mathews. He still needs to be stashed in all fantasy leagues, as there's a good chance he returns to early-down duties. Oct 29 - 2:21 PM
back to status quo
The Union-Tribune San Diego's Michael Gehlken reports that it "appears likely" Ryan Mathews (knee) is held out through the Chargers' Week 10 bye.
Mathews once again didn't practice Wednesday. He's been out since spraining his MCL on September 14. With Branden Oliver playing well in San Diego's backfield, there's no need to rush Mathews. He still needs to be stashed in all fantasy leagues, as there's a good chance he returns to early-down duties. Oct 29 - 2:21 PM
back to status quo
Tau837
Footballguy
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
DNP for Mathews today
However Donald Brown back at practice
However Donald Brown back at practice
The Indestructible
Footballguy
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shady inc
Footballguy
even if mathews comes back healthy, and has a role in the offense, their remaining schedule isn't that RB friendly:
Week 9: mathews OUT
week 10: BYE
week 11: vs. OAK (31st against the run) - you like this matchup
week 12: vs. STL (13th) - OK matchup, not great
week 13: @BAL (2nd) - bad matchup
week 14: vs. NE (28th) - you like
week 15: vs. DEN (8th) - bad matchup
week 16: @SF (6th) - bad matchup
so after missing a week, and then a bye, 3 bad matchups, an OK one, and 2 you like.. unfortunately, 2 of the bad ones are the semi-finals and championship week of the playoffs (if 6 teams make the playoffs) and the good week 14 matchup is when you're on a bye (if you get the 1st round bye for finishing 1st or 2nd in the league).
all in all, i'm not sure mathews has ANY value left in redraft. not that many people thought he did anyway, but whatever
Week 9: mathews OUT
week 10: BYE
week 11: vs. OAK (31st against the run) - you like this matchup
week 12: vs. STL (13th) - OK matchup, not great
week 13: @BAL (2nd) - bad matchup
week 14: vs. NE (28th) - you like
week 15: vs. DEN (8th) - bad matchup
week 16: @SF (6th) - bad matchup
so after missing a week, and then a bye, 3 bad matchups, an OK one, and 2 you like.. unfortunately, 2 of the bad ones are the semi-finals and championship week of the playoffs (if 6 teams make the playoffs) and the good week 14 matchup is when you're on a bye (if you get the 1st round bye for finishing 1st or 2nd in the league).
all in all, i'm not sure mathews has ANY value left in redraft. not that many people thought he did anyway, but whatever
Polish Hammer
made of glass
I don't think people are rostering him as an RB1 or 2 at this point. More likely a 3 or 4 with some upside. Those matchups you highlighted are exactly the kinds of plays where patience could pay off. You plug him in and he helps (maybe) get you into the playoffs with wins in weeks 11 and 12 and is a nice assist in the first round (week 14). I have him on two teams as RB3 or 4 for just this scenario.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Disagree with this -- he looked good before the injury, SD clearly needs the threat of a running game as part of their successful winning gameplan, and he's the kind of back with potential RB1 upside. He was on waivers, and happy to pick him up and burn a spot on someone with that kind of talent, opportunity, and proven ability for the flex spot during last quarter of the season and into the playoffs.flapgreen said:
shadyridr
Footballguy
shady inc
Footballguy
shadyridr
Footballguy
Seriously, I love how people think everyones situation is the same as theirs. I have no clue how deep flapgreens rosters are, what RBs are on his team, or who is available in his league. All I know is I traded friggin SJax for him when he got hurt and Ive been stashing him ever since. Hes one of the RBs on my team I will play matchups with when he comes back. I have a hodgepodge of RBs (Ingram, Tate, Mathews, Sims, Ball) so I welcome his return and I am very happy I traded a worthless piece for him. So flapgreen needs to stop talking about him being a waste of a roster spot for "people". Cuz he isnt one for me. Its like he keeps trying to convince himself he made a good drop and maybe he did in his case but quit ####### implying hes worthless in everyone elses situation.
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Rimez
Footballguy
people seem to forget mathews was a top 10 back last year and finished the fantasy season on a absolute tear... before getting hurt again for the real life playoffs. oliver has done well in is absence but mathews will no doubt be starting once he is healthy. there is potential for rb1 status if you held onto him, granted san diego offensive line is one of the worst in the league for run blocking but they are completely committed to running the ball no matter how bad they are at it, and will be feeding mathews in the red zone as opposed to forcing everything to gates like they are now with oliver carrying the load. in fantasy where people are dumping their FAB on guys like sims and tre mason, cutting ryan mathews seems like insanity not only because of the potential upside but the proven upside, he could be a 20+ touch guy when he comes back with all of the goal line work.
shadyridr
Footballguy
When I traded for him Woodhead just got hurt and I had visions of last years Mathews PLUS 3rd down back. Basically an RB1. Since Oliver has emerged I am no delusional but I still think hes an RB2. Hes better than Oliver. He was a stud in the second half last year.
flapgreen
Footballguy
Just an opinion. Has nothing to do with me congratulating myself. I had reservations drafting him to begin with but got excited that he fell to me so far, then got reminded of why he fell after he went down. With how time was being split between 3 guys when he was playing, and now with how Oliver has emerged and Brown possibly back, I don't see much value. And I owned him in a 16T league. It's hard to get much deeper than that. Again, it's an opinion. I think he's a wasted roster spot. Don't get your panties in a wad.
flapgreen
Footballguy
I think this is highly doubtful.
flapgreen
Footballguy
Doesn't mean anything but I could definitely see going after him after Woodhead going down. After Woodhead went down, I did regret it for a short while, but then Oliver came along and Mathews still hasn't healed. For a guy who's coming back after a 2 month knee injury and likely splitting time with 2 other rbs, I just don't see the potential. But if you've held him this long, there's no sense dropping him now.
shadyridr
Footballguy
well there ya go
I dropped him in one league today. I pretty much had to. It's a Yahoo Pro league (10 team, 2RB, 3WR) where I have 5 offensive players, 4 of which were weekly starters, all on bye this week).
There are definitely going to be some situations where he doesn't justify the spot.
I'm still holding him in three others though, where I have a little more roster flexibility.
So as noted above, without knowing a whole lot of information on the AC level, you can't say if somebody else holding or dropping is a good move (and really we won't know for sure until we have hindsight of the rest of the season)
There are definitely going to be some situations where he doesn't justify the spot.
I'm still holding him in three others though, where I have a little more roster flexibility.
So as noted above, without knowing a whole lot of information on the AC level, you can't say if somebody else holding or dropping is a good move (and really we won't know for sure until we have hindsight of the rest of the season)
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blake
Footballguy
I feel this is the most accurate view in this thread. Last season was a long time ago. He's no RB1, at least for the rest of this season. But as an RB3 or RB4, he has value. And he's far from a waste of a spot, as there is a chance he could be big for the rest of the season, though there's equally as good a chance he isn't. If you are 4-3, I can see why you'd have to move on, but for a team that's say, 6-2, Mathews seems like a very sensible hold, especially if he is a spot start, but not someone you're relying on for the playoffs. I'd rather have Mathews as RB depth than someone like Bobby Rainey, for example.Polish Hammer said:
TartanLion
Footballguy
Ready to pull the trigger on picking him back up for the 2nd time this season. Gonna take a risk and wait out the WW and hopefully pick him up as a free agent.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
this line is excessively badly right now, onto their 4th center I believe and missing a starting Guard or two
Insein
Footballguy
King Dunlap is the starting left tackle. That's all you need to know. Guy was a turn style as a backup in Philly.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Are we ready to fire Ryan Mathews up off the bench coming off the bye at home against the Raiders?
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Tried to trade an owner Martavis Bryant or desean Jackson for Mathews. No go. So somebody has some Ryan Mathews love. Guess I'll stick with mccoy
Insein
Footballguy
"He'll be ready to go, once he takes the field again."Are we ready to fire Ryan Mathews up off the bench coming off the bye at home against the Raiders?
Soooo... is that this week or next? I have no doubt that when he gets on the field again, he'll be ready. Just would like to know when that is.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Jerry Curl
Footballguy
One guy in my league worshiped Oliver, but wants no part of the better RB on the same team who is about to unseat Oliver. Mathews gets no respect.
mquinnjr
Footballguy
.Are we ready to fire Ryan Mathews up off the bench coming off the bye at home against the Raiders?
If he can stay healthy, with the potential touch volume he's a every week RB2 in a good offense with weekly upside and fresh legs. Hard to do better than that at this point in the season if you're contending with him having been on your bench for awhile.
TartanLion
Footballguy
He's going straight into my lineup this week alongside Bradshaw. Don't have any other option with Denard Robinson on bye, Tate and Sims being the other options.
The matchup is decent, he's fresh and is apparently gonna be given '15ish' carries. Hoping that could maybe go up if he's doing well and there's a fair chance of a goal line carry or two along the way.
The matchup is decent, he's fresh and is apparently gonna be given '15ish' carries. Hoping that could maybe go up if he's doing well and there's a fair chance of a goal line carry or two along the way.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
That's the $100K question, innit?Insein said:"He'll be ready to go, once he takes the field again."Raiderfan32904 said:Are we ready to fire Ryan Mathews up off the bench coming off the bye at home against the Raiders?
Soooo... is that this week or next? I have no doubt that when he gets on the field again, he'll be ready. Just would like to know when that is.
One one hand, I suspect that they do indeed need to ease him in as it's been a while since he's been at game speed, and it will be natural to have to kick off some rust.
On the other hand, the match up is stellar and if he's going to have success, it's against my poor Raiders who are allowing more than 130 YPG.
Yet while Oliver is not the answer, he's not talent-less either, and likely can carry a little more load as Mathews gets back to form.
Only thing I can do is think about how other backs are eased into situations. Look at Ingram -- back for WK 7 this year after missing 5 games. That week got 10 rushes for 16 yards. Subsequent weeks: 24 for 172, 30 for 100, 27 for 120.
How about Bernard Pierce, who was also intended to be eased back in after missing 3 games early in the year. Back on WK 5, had 4 carries, 30 yards. Next games: 15 for 32, 8 for 21, 1 for 2 and 8 for 31. It's true that in the meantime Forsett proved he was the much better back for the year so that plays into Pierce's opportunity, but the trend of easing back in seems to stick.
Arian Foster missed game 3 this year and was said to be eased back in game 4. He went 8 for 6, then had 20+ carries going forward.
How about Shane Vereen last year returning from IR? Week 11 after being out since WK 1, had 1 carry, 7 yards. Next games: 10 for 31, 10 for 38, then was essentially relegated back to the rear as Blount and Ridley continued to combine forces.
We can also find counterexamples -- Eddie Lacy last year missing two games and rumored to be eased back in goes 23 for 99 in WK 5 2013 then 23/120, 22/82, 29/94, 22/150, 24/73, and on. That was for a concussion though, and not such a big absence.
This is totally cherry-picking, missing glaring examples I am sure, without much baseline and situational control focus -- all rhyme, no reason. But it does align with the general feeling I have is that "easing" a RB back is something real, especially after a longer absence for injury.
I am fully hoping rostering Ryan is what's going to provide me that "pop" in the flex that will propel me to Championship City. But I don't expect that to start this week. With other options like Pierre Thomas, or Sims, I am totally trusting limited carries in a tasty matchup. But I don't think I'd feel the same way with more solid choices.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
I realize the smart move is to ease Mathews in at first, take it easy on him, put him on a snap count. But coming off the bye, his recent comments how he's feeling great have me optimistic about his chances this Sunday. Sadly, the Raiders defense looks disinterested in playing anymore, and there should be plenty of red zone opportunities for Mathews to house at least one TD. I have safer options, but going against a stacked opponent, I find myself forced to swing for the fences.
Inserting him into the flex while I can........He'll be busted up again in a few weeks!
