Why so down on Grossman this week? (Dodds, et al) (1 Viewer)

[isiahcleaves]

Any reason for the seemingly low ranking for Grossman this week? I know the guy is inconsistent at best, but one would think SD will be able to stop the run and Chicago will have to throw throughout the game to move the ball on offense.

I'm not saying he should crack the top 10 or anything... but I believe he's ranked as the 26th? best QB going into week #1. That doesn't seem right to me.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Rex Grossman: I am going to go on record now as saying Grossman has top10 potential in FF. Look at his situation! He has a stout defense to cover up his mistakes, a solid OL to pass protect, and a running game that is pretty iffy so Rex might be called upon to win some of these games. San Diego has a very suspect defense and while I own Grossman, and will likely be sitting him this week…I am seriously thinking about wheeling him out against those Bolts. When Grossman does well in his games, he usually does VERY WELL…he started only 8 games b4 last season. 260/1, 290/4, 230/2, 180/2, 250/3, 240/3, 200/2, 340/2…I know he has some awful games to but he showed me a lot of promise. He has a safety valve in Muhammed and Clark this week, Berrian and Mark Bradley for the deep stuff, and his RB out of the backfield…I think he can do just fine and surprise owners this weekend. He is my “Why did I leave him on my bench” play of the week.

 

[Routilla]

Griese starts week 2, this is Grossman's last game as a starter. He is horrible, IMO of course.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

MoP.... also, the Chargers do not have the great CBs that most assume.

 

[jonessed]

MoP.... also, the Chargers do not have the great CBs that most assume.

Noone assume SD has great CBs. That's their weakness. But they don't have to cover anyone for long because of the pass rush. If Benson doesn't get going early Grossman becomes a turnover machine.

 

[isiahcleaves]

Any input from the fellas that made the predictions?

Again... I have no problem with a 15-20 ranking or something like that... but I find it hard to believe that by the end of the week... only 7 QB's will have worse fantasy production than him.

 

[Rushmore]

Rex Grossman: I am going to go on record now as saying Grossman has top10 potential in FF. Look at his situation! He has a stout defense to cover up his mistakes, a solid OL to pass protect, and a running game that is pretty iffy so Rex might be called upon to win some of these games. San Diego has a very suspect defense and while I own Grossman, and will likely be sitting him this week…I am seriously thinking about wheeling him out against those Bolts. When Grossman does well in his games, he usually does VERY WELL…he started only 8 games b4 last season. 260/1, 290/4, 230/2, 180/2, 250/3, 240/3, 200/2, 340/2…I know he has some awful games to but he showed me a lot of promise. He has a safety valve in Muhammed and Clark this week, Berrian and Mark Bradley for the deep stuff, and his RB out of the backfield…I think he can do just fine and surprise owners this weekend. He is my “Why did I leave him on my bench” play of the week.

Agreed

 

[boom king]

Griese starts week 2, this is Grossman's last game as a starter. He is horrible, IMO of course.

come on man. Greise blows it too

 

[Tecumseh]

As soon as Grossman gets popped in the mouth he'll become his normal turnover-machine self. The Chargers D-Line won't allow him to establish a rhythm early, which is what he needs to be comfortable and consistent. Bears lose this week, convincingly. Grossman-3 picks.

 

[Old Curmudgeon]

Any reason for the seemingly low ranking for Grossman this week? I know the guy is inconsistent at best, but one would think SD will be able to stop the run and Chicago will have to throw throughout the game to move the ball on offense.I'm not saying he should crack the top 10 or anything... but I believe he's ranked as the 26th? best QB going into week #1. That doesn't seem right to me.

Because it is Grossman and you do not know what you are going to get on a weekly basis. If SD stops the run and Chicago is hinging its hopes on their QB there may be nice yardage numbers but they will be offset w/ picks, sacks...I like the Griese prediction but if Chicago did not see the light last year I doubt we will see a mini-Leftwich situation early on and have Grossman riding the pine so early.

 

[Deuce'sWild]

Chargers will shut down the run, and Rex will have to throw to beat them. I'm not convinced he'll do well, but I think Berrian will do well with all the opportunities he'll see.

 

[Dodge]

Did someone say SD is suspect at defense?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

As soon as Grossman gets popped in the mouth he'll become his normal turnover-machine self. The Chargers D-Line won't allow him to establish a rhythm early, which is what he needs to be comfortable and consistent. Bears lose this week, convincingly. Grossman-3 picks.

SO the Bears' OL has no chance to pass protect in this game? Is that what you are implying my friend?

 

[The Man with the Plan]

Has Rex Grossman ever had a good game against a good defense. It always seems like he dominates against terrible defenses (except for Arizona) and plays poorly against the good defenses. He's like a fantasy bully.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Has Rex Grossman ever had a good game against a good defense. It always seems like he dominates against terrible defenses (except for Arizona) and plays poorly against the good defenses. He's like a fantasy bully.

He's only started 24 games in the NFL...think about that. He did light up the easy defenses last season. But I am not sure San Diego will be the defensive bully everyone wants to believe. You don't think Marty made them a better defensive unit along with Wade Phillips? Both are gone. What is Norv going to do to fire up the troops? Do not overlook this important fact.

 

[Tecumseh]

As soon as Grossman gets popped in the mouth he'll become his normal turnover-machine self. The Chargers D-Line won't allow him to establish a rhythm early, which is what he needs to be comfortable and consistent. Bears lose this week, convincingly. Grossman-3 picks.

SO the Bears' OL has no chance to pass protect in this game? Is that what you are implying my friend?

Not at all. But it only takes a couple of solid hits, not even full blown sacks, to shake up Grossman. If the Chargers generate early pressure, Grossman will cave.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Pressure is Grossman's undoing, and pressure is what Merriman and Phillips excel at creating. Grossman does his best when Chicago is leading and teams cant just have their pass rushers pin their ears and come at him - I dont see Chicago opening up a lead in this game. Benson is not going to have much success against that 3-4, which means more obvious passing situations, more moments when Grossman has a huge target on his back... he might complete a deep one to Berrian and some passes to Clark in dead spots in the middle, but overall I foresee a rough day for Rex.

 

[Tecumseh]

Has Rex Grossman ever had a good game against a good defense. It always seems like he dominates against terrible defenses (except for Arizona) and plays poorly against the good defenses. He's like a fantasy bully.

He's only started 24 games in the NFL...think about that. He did light up the easy defenses last season. But I am not sure San Diego will be the defensive bully everyone wants to believe. You don't think Marty made them a better defensive unit along with Wade Phillips? Both are gone. What is Norv going to do to fire up the troops? Do not overlook this important fact.

Norv shouldn't have to fire up the troops. Their playoff collapse should suffice.

 

[Dodge]

That defense will fire up themselves just fine without a coach giving a rah rah speech.

 

[laughinboy_2000]

Summed up, I think Rex has an average game this week. He struggles against good defenses and lights up the poor defenses. I don't think the Chargers have that bad of a passing D, so I expect Rex to go for 200+ yards with one TD and one INT.

Oh, and yes the Bears lose by a FG, 23-20.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

Has Rex Grossman ever had a good game against a good defense. It always seems like he dominates against terrible defenses (except for Arizona) and plays poorly against the good defenses. He's like a fantasy bully.

He's only started 24 games in the NFL...think about that. He did light up the easy defenses last season. But I am not sure San Diego will be the defensive bully everyone wants to believe. You don't think Marty made them a better defensive unit along with Wade Phillips? Both are gone. What is Norv going to do to fire up the troops? Do not overlook this important fact.

They're gone. Okay. Jamal Williams didn't go anywhere. Luis Castillo and Shaun Phillips are still playing for the Chargers. And that Shawne Merriman guy who people compare to Lawrence Taylor, he didn't go anywhere either. Personnel>>>> coaching. The Chargers will still have a good defense and so far Rex Grossman hasn't shown that he can play well against non-terrible defenses. Unless there are no other options available I wouldn't start Rex Grossman this week.

 

[TDavi118]

Grossman can't even take a snap from center, let alone play well. Especially against the Chargers D-line.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

Summed up, I think Rex has an average game this week. He struggles against good defenses and lights up the poor defenses. I don't think the Chargers have that bad of a passing D, so I expect Rex to go for 200+ yards with one TD and one INT.

Oh, and yes the Bears lose by a FG, 23-20.

Add a fumble or two or three and that sounds about right.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Don't exclude the possibility that Rex gets pulled in this game. In the 3rd preseason game, Rex was ROLLING... completing passes deep, over the middle, down the sidelines... he looked like Rex of September 06. Then right before the half he threw a lazy out that Walt Harris easily jumped and took back for 6. Next series, Rex throws ANOTHER lazy out, and this time Manny Lawson jumps it, but his linebacker hands cant secure the ball. It would have also easily gone back for six. These were routine passes, no pressure at all. We all know that Rex goes into mental fetal position mode when he's harassed. Combine that with the lapses in mechanics, and he could unravel, like he did against Arizona, Miami, New England, Green Bay, and Minnesota last year.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Don't exclude the possibility that Rex gets pulled in this game. In the 3rd preseason game, Rex was ROLLING... completing passes deep, over the middle, down the sidelines... he looked like Rex of September 06. Then right before the half he threw a lazy out that Walt Harris easily jumped and took back for 6. Next series, Rex throws ANOTHER lazy out, and this time Manny Lawson jumps it, but his linebacker hands cant secure the ball. It would have also easily gone back for six. These were routine passes, no pressure at all. We all know that Rex goes into mental fetal position mode when he's harassed. Combine that with the lapses in mechanics, and he could unravel, like he did against Arizona, Miami, New England, Green Bay, and Minnesota last year.

This is a very good post.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Has Rex Grossman ever had a good game against a good defense. It always seems like he dominates against terrible defenses (except for Arizona) and plays poorly against the good defenses. He's like a fantasy bully.

He's only started 24 games in the NFL...think about that. He did light up the easy defenses last season. But I am not sure San Diego will be the defensive bully everyone wants to believe. You don't think Marty made them a better defensive unit along with Wade Phillips? Both are gone. What is Norv going to do to fire up the troops? Do not overlook this important fact.

They're gone. Okay. Jamal Williams didn't go anywhere. Luis Castillo and Shaun Phillips are still playing for the Chargers. And that Shawne Merriman guy who people compare to Lawrence Taylor, he didn't go anywhere either. Personnel>>>> coaching. The Chargers will still have a good defense and so far Rex Grossman hasn't shown that he can play well against non-terrible defenses. Unless there are no other options available I wouldn't start Rex Grossman this week.

I can't believe you are posting that the impact of losing both a defensive minded genral like Schotty and probably one of the top5 DC in Wade Phillips will have no bearing on the Chargers' D...I find that hard to believe.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

Has Rex Grossman ever had a good game against a good defense. It always seems like he dominates against terrible defenses (except for Arizona) and plays poorly against the good defenses. He's like a fantasy bully.

He's only started 24 games in the NFL...think about that. He did light up the easy defenses last season. But I am not sure San Diego will be the defensive bully everyone wants to believe. You don't think Marty made them a better defensive unit along with Wade Phillips? Both are gone. What is Norv going to do to fire up the troops? Do not overlook this important fact.

They're gone. Okay. Jamal Williams didn't go anywhere. Luis Castillo and Shaun Phillips are still playing for the Chargers. And that Shawne Merriman guy who people compare to Lawrence Taylor, he didn't go anywhere either. Personnel>>>> coaching. The Chargers will still have a good defense and so far Rex Grossman hasn't shown that he can play well against non-terrible defenses. Unless there are no other options available I wouldn't start Rex Grossman this week.

I can't believe you are posting that the impact of losing both a defensive minded genral like Schotty and probably one of the top5 DC in Wade Phillips will have no bearing on the Chargers' D...I find that hard to believe.

I never said that. I think people are overstating the effect these coaches had on the team when the really good players on the field are still around. We'll see if it has a positive or a negative outcome.You can believe what you want but I think that the Chargers will be alright. Their defense isn't going to fall apart because the two old guys are gone.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Has Rex Grossman ever had a good game against a good defense. It always seems like he dominates against terrible defenses (except for Arizona) and plays poorly against the good defenses. He's like a fantasy bully.

He's only started 24 games in the NFL...think about that. He did light up the easy defenses last season. But I am not sure San Diego will be the defensive bully everyone wants to believe. You don't think Marty made them a better defensive unit along with Wade Phillips? Both are gone. What is Norv going to do to fire up the troops? Do not overlook this important fact.

They're gone. Okay. Jamal Williams didn't go anywhere. Luis Castillo and Shaun Phillips are still playing for the Chargers. And that Shawne Merriman guy who people compare to Lawrence Taylor, he didn't go anywhere either. Personnel>>>> coaching. The Chargers will still have a good defense and so far Rex Grossman hasn't shown that he can play well against non-terrible defenses. Unless there are no other options available I wouldn't start Rex Grossman this week.

I can't believe you are posting that the impact of losing both a defensive minded genral like Schotty and probably one of the top5 DC in Wade Phillips will have no bearing on the Chargers' D...I find that hard to believe.

I never said that. I think people are overstating the effect these coaches had on the team when the really good players on the field are still around. We'll see if it has a positive or a negative outcome.You can believe what you want but I think that the Chargers will be alright. Their defense isn't going to fall apart because the two old guys are gone.

What happened to the Pats the year after Crennell and Weiss left? Same players in NE...different results though.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

Has Rex Grossman ever had a good game against a good defense. It always seems like he dominates against terrible defenses (except for Arizona) and plays poorly against the good defenses. He's like a fantasy bully.

He's only started 24 games in the NFL...think about that. He did light up the easy defenses last season. But I am not sure San Diego will be the defensive bully everyone wants to believe. You don't think Marty made them a better defensive unit along with Wade Phillips? Both are gone. What is Norv going to do to fire up the troops? Do not overlook this important fact.

They're gone. Okay. Jamal Williams didn't go anywhere. Luis Castillo and Shaun Phillips are still playing for the Chargers. And that Shawne Merriman guy who people compare to Lawrence Taylor, he didn't go anywhere either. Personnel>>>> coaching. The Chargers will still have a good defense and so far Rex Grossman hasn't shown that he can play well against non-terrible defenses. Unless there are no other options available I wouldn't start Rex Grossman this week.

I can't believe you are posting that the impact of losing both a defensive minded genral like Schotty and probably one of the top5 DC in Wade Phillips will have no bearing on the Chargers' D...I find that hard to believe.

I never said that. I think people are overstating the effect these coaches had on the team when the really good players on the field are still around. We'll see if it has a positive or a negative outcome.You can believe what you want but I think that the Chargers will be alright. Their defense isn't going to fall apart because the two old guys are gone.

What happened to the Pats the year after Crennell and Weiss left? Same players in NE...different results though.

Not exactly. Ty Law left. Rodney Harrison played 3 games. Richard Seymour was hurt all season. Tedi Bruschi had a stroke.That's why the defense and the team as a whole fell off. Losing the coaches probably had a negative effect but not as much as the loss of personnel personnel. Not coincidentally the next season with those players healthy (and the coaches still gone) the Patriots set a franchise record for points allowed in a season.

Unless you think Wade Philips is some defensive genius and Ted Cottrell + Ron Rivera are complete imbeciles the Chargers defense should continue to be one of the most feared in the NFL. So long as the personnel stays intact. I would not start Rex Grossman against them.

 

[kensat30]

Over/Under on turnovers from Grossman should be set at 3.5 this weekend IMO.

This guy will not hang onto his job for the full season.

 

[Chase Stuart]

I've yet to understand why people act like the Chargers pass defense is anything better than average. It isn't. They ranked 16th last season in adjusted yards per attempt allowed, and 17th in adjusted FPs to opposing QBs allowed. For fantasy purposes they played the easiest schedule in the league, although for adjusted yards per attempt allowed they played only a slightly easier than average schedule.

But the Chargers' pass defense was nothing more than average in '06.

 

[Old Curmudgeon]

I've yet to understand why people act like the Chargers pass defense is anything better than average. It isn't. They ranked 16th last season in adjusted yards per attempt allowed, and 17th in adjusted FPs to opposing QBs allowed. For fantasy purposes they played the easiest schedule in the league, although for adjusted yards per attempt allowed they played only a slightly easier than average schedule.But the Chargers' pass defense was nothing more than average in '06.

Adjusted.And Chicago played last year in what division... seeing Detroit, GB and Minny twice must have really been a rough chunk of their schedule. Grossman has not shown he is more than average having games at both extremes ... so even if you do not believe the SD D is top notch it is solid enough to typically neutralize a hot/cold QB by removing the hot and letting him do the rest.

 

[Gold Plated Nails]

I've yet to understand why people act like the Chargers pass defense is anything better than average. It isn't. They ranked 16th last season in adjusted yards per attempt allowed, and 17th in adjusted FPs to opposing QBs allowed. For fantasy purposes they played the easiest schedule in the league, although for adjusted yards per attempt allowed they played only a slightly easier than average schedule.But the Chargers' pass defense was nothing more than average in '06.

Where are people saying the Chargers pass defense is better then average? I think people are saying their pass rush is excellent but not their Defensive backs.

 

[isiahcleaves]

I agree... the Chargers Pass Rush is excellent.

I also think that the Bears O-Line is in the top five in the league... as does footballguys...

Chicago Bears

Overall OL rank 2007: 2nd

2006 Statistics: 1,918 rushing yards (15th); 3.8 YPC (23rd), 14 rushing touchdowns (11th), 20.6 Sacks / PA (11th), Avg. Rank (15th)

Run blocking rank: 4th

Pass blocking rank: 2nd

Depth: B

Cohesion: A

Experience: A+

Projected Starters

LT John Tait: rank - 14th

LG Ruben Brown: rank - 3rd

C Olin Kreutz: rank - 1st

RG Roberto Garza: rank - 11th

RT Fred Miller: rank - 3rd

So... in summary... don't you think they'd somewhat neutralize each other?

Look... if the Chargers secondary was solid... I wouldn't have any qualms with the predicition. I just think mid 20's is ridiculously low for a team that most here agree will likely have to pass all day to stay in the game.

 

[Gold Plated Nails]

I agree... the Chargers Pass Rush is excellent.I also think that the Bears O-Line is in the top five in the league... as does footballguys...Chicago Bears Overall OL rank 2007: 2nd2006 Statistics: 1,918 rushing yards (15th); 3.8 YPC (23rd), 14 rushing touchdowns (11th), 20.6 Sacks / PA (11th), Avg. Rank (15th) Run blocking rank: 4thPass blocking rank: 2ndDepth: BCohesion: AExperience: A+Projected StartersLT John Tait: rank - 14thLG Ruben Brown: rank - 3rdC Olin Kreutz: rank - 1stRG Roberto Garza: rank - 11thRT Fred Miller: rank - 3rdSo... in summary... don't you think they'd somewhat neutralize each other?Look... if the Chargers secondary was solid... I wouldn't have any qualms with the predicition. I just think mid 20's is ridiculously low for a team that most here agree will likely have to pass all day to stay in the game.

You do realize that the actual pt projection from Rex to say Vince Young in the low teens is 2pts. Thats like 1 decent play. If you think Rex should be rated higher, by all means start him. And for the record the SD secondary is solid, which means middle of the pack slightly higher.

 

[ditka311]

Bears homer here and there have been some great posts in this thread by Sigmund. I like the mental fetal position description, I am going to steal it.

Anyway, my question is how good is Q Jammer? If I recall, they drafted him really high. Is he an elite CB?

 

[Ahmad Rashad]

Don't exclude the possibility that Rex gets pulled in this game... Combine that with the lapses in mechanics, and he could unravel, like he did against Arizona, Miami, New England, Green Bay, and Minnesota last year.

How many of those games did Grossman get pulled from last year?

 

[gregjcross]

Please join my league, I'll trade him. Kidding aside, he's decent, cant be trusted week to week

Rex Grossman: I am going to go on record now as saying Grossman has top10 potential in FF. Look at his situation! He has a stout defense to cover up his mistakes, a solid OL to pass protect, and a running game that is pretty iffy so Rex might be called upon to win some of these games. San Diego has a very suspect defense and while I own Grossman, and will likely be sitting him this week…I am seriously thinking about wheeling him out against those Bolts. When Grossman does well in his games, he usually does VERY WELL…he started only 8 games b4 last season. 260/1, 290/4, 230/2, 180/2, 250/3, 240/3, 200/2, 340/2…I know he has some awful games to but he showed me a lot of promise. He has a safety valve in Muhammed and Clark this week, Berrian and Mark Bradley for the deep stuff, and his RB out of the backfield…I think he can do just fine and surprise owners this weekend. He is my “Why did I leave him on my bench” play of the week.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Don't exclude the possibility that Rex gets pulled in this game... Combine that with the lapses in mechanics, and he could unravel, like he did against Arizona, Miami, New England, Green Bay, and Minnesota last year.

How many of those games did Grossman get pulled from last year?

None but this year I think he's on a shorter leash. He's in a contract year, so no reason to handle him with kid gloves.

 

[greenroom]

Don't exclude the possibility that Rex gets pulled in this game... Combine that with the lapses in mechanics, and he could unravel, like he did against Arizona, Miami, New England, Green Bay, and Minnesota last year.

How many of those games did Grossman get pulled from last year?

None but this year I think he's on a shorter leash. He's in a contract year, so no reason to handle him with kid gloves.

If the Bears had a better option I am sure they would have the better option in there. Rex gives the Bears the best chance to win. And as far as Bears QB's he has to go down as one of the better ones they have had in recent history. For the Griese lovers out there if he was better than Rex he would be playing the problem is he is not. He may not make the mistakes that Rex has made, but he will not give the offence the same chance to move the ball either. Lets not forget that Griese has not been able to keep a job if he was a good QB as this board seems to feel he is he would have a job. That said I think Rex will have a decent game and have a couple of td's and yes he probably will toss a pick as well. Lets not forget Rex did help the Bears to the Superbowl last year. And for the haters that say he had nothing to do with it. Who was under center directing the offence for all those points last year?

 

[Holland Freeze]

If the Bears had a better option I am sure they would have the better option in there.

Like they did at RB - letting the best go and keeping the unproven?

Rex gives the Bears the best chance to win.

And also gives the opposing team its best chance to win as well.

And as far as Bears QB's he has to go down as one of the better ones they have had in recent history.

Which only goes to show we SHOULD be questioning the decisions made regarding that position.

For the Griese lovers out there if he was better than Rex he would be playing the problem is he is not.

Each have their advantages and disadvantages - the team can only start one and as you allude to - do not have a good track record of late.

He may not make the mistakes that Rex has made, but he will not give the offence the same chance to move the ball either.

He will provide more consistency moving the ball but if you are thinking in terms of him being a QB that can get the job done on his own you may be correct.

Lets not forget Rex did help the Bears to the Superbowl last year.

With a little help from a few other individuals.

And for the haters that say he had nothing to do with it. Who was under center directing the offence for all those points last year?

If you give him credit for the good at least admit to the many weeks where it was just the opposite - which is why people are not jumping on his bandwagon or convinced he will be more than a hit or miss type of player each week.

 

[Ivanhoe]

I'm a bears homer but grossman SUCKS.

Grossman = the next trent dilfer.

Should just change his name to Dilfer right now.

 

[Tecumseh]

I'm a bears homer but grossman SUCKS.Grossman = the next trent dilfer.Should just change his name to Dilfer right now.

Except for the giant ring, this is probably accurate.

 

[Ivanhoe]

I'm a bears homer but grossman SUCKS.Grossman = the next trent dilfer.Should just change his name to Dilfer right now.

Except for the giant ring, this is probably accurate.

LOL Yeah pretty much.

 

[Wally Cleaver]

Pressure is Grossman's undoing, and pressure is what Merriman and Phillips excel at creating. Grossman does his best when Chicago is leading and teams cant just have their pass rushers pin their ears and come at him - I dont see Chicago opening up a lead in this game. Benson is not going to have much success against that 3-4, which means more obvious passing situations, more moments when Grossman has a huge target on his back... he might complete a deep one to Berrian and some passes to Clark in dead spots in the middle, but overall I foresee a rough day for Rex.

Pressure is almost every quarterbacks undoing... Have you ever watched Peyton play when he is getting hit, he's a totally different quarterback... I see this as a good match-up for Rex although I wouldn't be surprised if he turns it over a few times along with a large yardage total and a td or two....

 

[SeveredHorseHeads]

The Chargers defense is overrated due to the greatness of Merriman. They were decidedly average last year in all phases of the game.

 

[Gold Plated Nails]

The Chargers defense is overrated due to the greatness of Merriman. They were decidedly average last year in all phases of the game.

...They led the league in sacks. They led the league in scoring. Don't post again.

 

[Banger]

The Chargers defense is overrated due to the greatness of Merriman. They were decidedly average last year in all phases of the game.

 

[BusterTBronco]

Why so down on Grossman this week?

12/23, 145 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT

Now you know.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

This was a pretty good Keerocking.