Why the Titans didn't draft a WR in round one (1 Viewer)

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Did you see the Skins' game last night? Two of the top receivers on everyone's board put up a total of one catch. I realize, the Skins offense isn't dynamite, but these two were brought in to fix that, right?

I've seen alot of people give the Titans alot of grief over the past 6 months over passing on a receiver in the first round.

But when you look at how crappy the available receivers were, and when you watch the impact Chris Johnson will make, I think it will vindicate the front office in their selection of CJ over any of the available WR's.

It's so funny how if the Titans had selected Devin Thomas, the media would have probably proclaimed all off-season that they FINALLY gave VY a weapon and how much better the team would be.

The Titans have the defense to win now. Selecting Chris Johnson could put them over the top.

 

[Lobary]

They're still a QB short of being a legitimate SB contender.

 

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They're still a QB short of being a legitimate SB contender.

We'll see. Lets let Vince begin his 3rd season before we label him a bust, shall we? He doesn't have a torn quad, so he'll be mobile again this year, which he wasn't last year. You'll see a huge improvement.

 

[Lobary]

I didn't say he was a bust, I said the Tacks are a QB short of being a legit SB contender.

I've followed VY since he was a high schooler in Houston. He's never learned to be a pocket passer and he's yet to learn how to read a defense. He's skated by on pure athleticism for too long and now it's catching up with him at the NFL level.

 

[Mookie Blaylock]

They're still a QB short of being a legitimate SB contender.

We'll see. Lets let Vince begin his 3rd season before we label him a bust, shall we? He doesn't have a torn quad, so he'll be mobile again this year, which he wasn't last year. You'll see a huge improvement.

Whatever. And I don't want to start a war here, but the guy has soup between his ears.

 

[FavreCo]

They're still a QB short of being a legitimate SB contender.

We'll see. Lets let Vince begin his 3rd season before we label him a bust, shall we? He doesn't have a torn quad, so he'll be mobile again this year, which he wasn't last year. You'll see a huge improvement.

No, he's a bust. If the Tennessee staff could get rid of this bum, they would but the owner wanted him. No top WR wants to go near this team while Vinnie is the WB. He would destroy their career. Roddy White, while I will still play wait and see, was almost destroyed by vick (the previous WR graveyard). He was lucky Vick got put away so he could tap some potential (1st 1000 yard season)

 

[FavreCo]

They're still a QB short of being a legitimate SB contender.

We'll see. Lets let Vince begin his 3rd season before we label him a bust, shall we? He doesn't have a torn quad, so he'll be mobile again this year, which he wasn't last year. You'll see a huge improvement.

Whatever. And I don't want to start a war here, but the guy has soup between his ears.

 

[T Bell]

Did you see the Skins' game last night? Two of the top receivers on everyone's board put up a total of one catch. I realize, the Skins offense isn't dynamite, but these two were brought in to fix that, right?

I've seen alot of people give the Titans alot of grief over the past 6 months over passing on a receiver in the first round.

But when you look at how crappy the available receivers were, and when you watch the impact Chris Johnson will make, I think it will vindicate the front office in their selection of CJ over any of the available WR's.

It's so funny how if the Titans had selected Devin Thomas, the media would have probably proclaimed all off-season that they FINALLY gave VY a weapon and how much better the team would be.

The Titans have the defense to win now. Selecting Chris Johnson could put them over the top.

So the week 1 performance by the 'Skins passing game, which has a new offense, new head coach, new QB coach and new play-caller, and has two rookie WR's who missed most of training camp due to injuries (and one of whom, Kelly, is still injured and was inactive) is justification for the Titans failing to draft a WR in the 1st round? Put down the moonshine, Bubba.

 

[trader jake]

Why the Titans didn't draft a WR in round one

Because LenDale doesn't stay in shape and Chris Henry is a workout wonder?

 

[FUBAR]

I didn't say he was a bust, I said the Tacks are a QB short of being a legit SB contender. I've followed VY since he was a high schooler in Houston. He's never learned to be a pocket passer and he's yet to learn how to read a defense. He's skated by on pure athleticism for too long and now it's catching up with him at the NFL level.

True, but that's why they brought in CJ3 and Crumpler, they're exactly the players VY needs. A true deep threat would be nice, to spread the field more, but no defense would take the deep threat seriously until V makes the leap.

 

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They're still a QB short of being a legitimate SB contender.

We'll see. Lets let Vince begin his 3rd season before we label him a bust, shall we? He doesn't have a torn quad, so he'll be mobile again this year, which he wasn't last year. You'll see a huge improvement.

No, he's a bust. If the Tennessee staff could get rid of this bum, they would but the owner wanted him. No top WR wants to go near this team while Vinnie is the WB. He would destroy their career. Roddy White, while I will still play wait and see, was almost destroyed by vick (the previous WR graveyard). He was lucky Vick got put away so he could tap some potential (1st 1000 yard season)

Such a ridiculous post. Nothing but innuendo and bull. Do you always just make stuff up?

 

[shader]

Did you see the Skins' game last night? Two of the top receivers on everyone's board put up a total of one catch. I realize, the Skins offense isn't dynamite, but these two were brought in to fix that, right?

I've seen alot of people give the Titans alot of grief over the past 6 months over passing on a receiver in the first round.

But when you look at how crappy the available receivers were, and when you watch the impact Chris Johnson will make, I think it will vindicate the front office in their selection of CJ over any of the available WR's.

It's so funny how if the Titans had selected Devin Thomas, the media would have probably proclaimed all off-season that they FINALLY gave VY a weapon and how much better the team would be.

The Titans have the defense to win now. Selecting Chris Johnson could put them over the top.

So the week 1 performance by the 'Skins passing game, which has a new offense, new head coach, new QB coach and new play-caller, and has two rookie WR's who missed most of training camp due to injuries (and one of whom, Kelly, is still injured and was inactive) is justification for the Titans failing to draft a WR in the 1st round? Put down the moonshine, Bubba.

The WR's in this draft were not very good. That was obvious when not a single receiver was selected in the first round. Yet somehow, the Titans got reamed by the media for months about passing on a WR and drafting Chris Johnson. Now we'll see whether that decision was smart or not. Bubba.

 

[FavreCo]

They're still a QB short of being a legitimate SB contender.

We'll see. Lets let Vince begin his 3rd season before we label him a bust, shall we? He doesn't have a torn quad, so he'll be mobile again this year, which he wasn't last year. You'll see a huge improvement.

No, he's a bust. If the Tennessee staff could get rid of this bum, they would but the owner wanted him. No top WR wants to go near this team while Vinnie is the WB. He would destroy their career. Roddy White, while I will still play wait and see, was almost destroyed by vick (the previous WR graveyard). He was lucky Vick got put away so he could tap some potential (1st 1000 yard season)

Such a ridiculous post. Nothing but innuendo and bull. Do you always just make stuff up?

Roddy White was a superstar with Vick? I guess I missed all that.

 

[FUBAR]

They're still a QB short of being a legitimate SB contender.

We'll see. Lets let Vince begin his 3rd season before we label him a bust, shall we? He doesn't have a torn quad, so he'll be mobile again this year, which he wasn't last year. You'll see a huge improvement.

No, he's a bust. If the Tennessee staff could get rid of this bum, they would but the owner wanted him. No top WR wants to go near this team while Vinnie is the WB. He would destroy their career. Roddy White, while I will still play wait and see, was almost destroyed by vick (the previous WR graveyard). He was lucky Vick got put away so he could tap some potential (1st 1000 yard season)

The coaching staff (you know, the one that made the playoffs) knows what they're doing. Strange that Vick had 3/4 of his years over .500 without great WRs. Almost as strange as this "bust" being ROY and making the playoffs in his 2 years in the NFL. If only he could make a pro bowl.

 

[shader]

They're still a QB short of being a legitimate SB contender.

We'll see. Lets let Vince begin his 3rd season before we label him a bust, shall we? He doesn't have a torn quad, so he'll be mobile again this year, which he wasn't last year. You'll see a huge improvement.

No, he's a bust. If the Tennessee staff could get rid of this bum, they would but the owner wanted him. No top WR wants to go near this team while Vinnie is the WB. He would destroy their career. Roddy White, while I will still play wait and see, was almost destroyed by vick (the previous WR graveyard). He was lucky Vick got put away so he could tap some potential (1st 1000 yard season)

Such a ridiculous post. Nothing but innuendo and bull. Do you always just make stuff up?

Roddy White was a superstar with Vick? I guess I missed all that. :IBTL:

I was referring to the parts of your post that you completely made up

 

[kremenull]

Did you see the Skins' game last night? Two of the top receivers on everyone's board put up a total of one catch. I realize, the Skins offense isn't dynamite, but these two were brought in to fix that, right? I've seen alot of people give the Titans alot of grief over the past 6 months over passing on a receiver in the first round.But when you look at how crappy the available receivers were, and when you watch the impact Chris Johnson will make, I think it will vindicate the front office in their selection of CJ over any of the available WR's.It's so funny how if the Titans had selected Devin Thomas, the media would have probably proclaimed all off-season that they FINALLY gave VY a weapon and how much better the team would be.The Titans have the defense to win now. Selecting Chris Johnson could put them over the top.

Drafting Chris Johnson may not have been a bad thing, but I still believe that the Titans should have drafted DeSean Jackson over him. Not only is Jackson a very good (and pro-ready) WR, unlike many in this class, he is probably going to be the best return man in the game not named D.Hester.......The value of his play-making in both the receiving game as well as the return game, IMO, would have made him the better selection. Vince Young needs someone on the outside who is capable and dynamic, in order to elevate his game. Does Johnson help the Titans? Probably. But DeSean would help the Titans AND Vince Young......

 

[FavreCo]

They're still a QB short of being a legitimate SB contender.

We'll see. Lets let Vince begin his 3rd season before we label him a bust, shall we? He doesn't have a torn quad, so he'll be mobile again this year, which he wasn't last year. You'll see a huge improvement.

No, he's a bust. If the Tennessee staff could get rid of this bum, they would but the owner wanted him. No top WR wants to go near this team while Vinnie is the WB. He would destroy their career. Roddy White, while I will still play wait and see, was almost destroyed by vick (the previous WR graveyard). He was lucky Vick got put away so he could tap some potential (1st 1000 yard season)

Such a ridiculous post. Nothing but innuendo and bull. Do you always just make stuff up?

Roddy White was a superstar with Vick? I guess I missed all that.

I was referring to the parts of your post that you completely made up

Ask yourself this: As an FA NFL WR, would I want to sign on to play in Tennessee? The answer is no. You can call it made up but I don't see any big name WR's even contemplating signing with Tennessee. I gave you the reason.

 

[T Bell]

They're still a QB short of being a legitimate SB contender.

We'll see. Lets let Vince begin his 3rd season before we label him a bust, shall we? He doesn't have a torn quad, so he'll be mobile again this year, which he wasn't last year. You'll see a huge improvement.

No, he's a bust. If the Tennessee staff could get rid of this bum, they would but the owner wanted him. No top WR wants to go near this team while Vinnie is the WB. He would destroy their career. Roddy White, while I will still play wait and see, was almost destroyed by vick (the previous WR graveyard). He was lucky Vick got put away so he could tap some potential (1st 1000 yard season)

The coaching staff (you know, the one that made the playoffs) knows what they're doing. Strange that Vick had 3/4 of his years over .500 without great WRs. Almost as strange as this "bust" being ROY and making the playoffs in his 2 years in the NFL. If only he could make a pro bowl.

The problem that supporters of Vince Young (and Vick and even Randall Cunningham back in the day) conveniently overlook is that to win at the highest level in the NFL you need an offense that is capable of adapting and exploiting matchups/circumstances presented by the defense. If you have a QB who is sound in your scheme and bring what his coaches design from the sidelines onto the field, you can do that. If you don't, you can't when you face the best defenses. Young, Vick and Cunningham are/were remarkable athletes with incredible ad libbing skills. That has value in the NFL and can win you games. Ultimately, however, this is a team game and you need more than that to beat a defense that is playing well, such as a defense in the last rounds of the playoffs, and none of those guys have (so far) been able to muster that. In short, the inability to run the offense places a ceiling upon the offense's abilities to compete. It can get you to the playoffs, but it won't win you championships, which of course is the pattern already discernible through those three players' careers.

 

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Did you see the Skins' game last night? Two of the top receivers on everyone's board put up a total of one catch. I realize, the Skins offense isn't dynamite, but these two were brought in to fix that, right? I've seen alot of people give the Titans alot of grief over the past 6 months over passing on a receiver in the first round.But when you look at how crappy the available receivers were, and when you watch the impact Chris Johnson will make, I think it will vindicate the front office in their selection of CJ over any of the available WR's.It's so funny how if the Titans had selected Devin Thomas, the media would have probably proclaimed all off-season that they FINALLY gave VY a weapon and how much better the team would be.The Titans have the defense to win now. Selecting Chris Johnson could put them over the top.

Drafting Chris Johnson may not have been a bad thing, but I still believe that the Titans should have drafted DeSean Jackson over him. Not only is Jackson a very good (and pro-ready) WR, unlike many in this class, he is probably going to be the best return man in the game not named D.Hester.......The value of his play-making in both the receiving game as well as the return game, IMO, would have made him the better selection. Vince Young needs someone on the outside who is capable and dynamic, in order to elevate his game. Does Johnson help the Titans? Probably. But DeSean would help the Titans AND Vince Young......

Perhaps you're right on Desean. His stock fell bigtime over the course of the off-season though, which is why the Eagles got him where they did. I think Chris Johnson will make a much bigger impact than D.Jackson, though I do think Desean was the steal of the draft and the best WR in the draft, as well.

 

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They're still a QB short of being a legitimate SB contender.

We'll see. Lets let Vince begin his 3rd season before we label him a bust, shall we? He doesn't have a torn quad, so he'll be mobile again this year, which he wasn't last year. You'll see a huge improvement.

No, he's a bust. If the Tennessee staff could get rid of this bum, they would but the owner wanted him. No top WR wants to go near this team while Vinnie is the WB. He would destroy their career. Roddy White, while I will still play wait and see, was almost destroyed by vick (the previous WR graveyard). He was lucky Vick got put away so he could tap some potential (1st 1000 yard season)

Such a ridiculous post. Nothing but innuendo and bull. Do you always just make stuff up?

Roddy White was a superstar with Vick? I guess I missed all that.

I was referring to the parts of your post that you completely made up

Ask yourself this: As an FA NFL WR, would I want to sign on to play in Tennessee? The answer is no. You can call it made up but I don't see any big name WR's even contemplating signing with Tennessee. I gave you the reason.

I didnt' see any bigtime NFL WR's hit the open market this off-season, so for now, you're just making huge assumptions with no facts to back it up with. And since you aren't a bigtime NFL WR, I don't think whether YOU would sign on to play with Tennessee is important to the conversation.

 

[shader]

They're still a QB short of being a legitimate SB contender.

We'll see. Lets let Vince begin his 3rd season before we label him a bust, shall we? He doesn't have a torn quad, so he'll be mobile again this year, which he wasn't last year. You'll see a huge improvement.

No, he's a bust. If the Tennessee staff could get rid of this bum, they would but the owner wanted him. No top WR wants to go near this team while Vinnie is the WB. He would destroy their career. Roddy White, while I will still play wait and see, was almost destroyed by vick (the previous WR graveyard). He was lucky Vick got put away so he could tap some potential (1st 1000 yard season)

The coaching staff (you know, the one that made the playoffs) knows what they're doing. Strange that Vick had 3/4 of his years over .500 without great WRs. Almost as strange as this "bust" being ROY and making the playoffs in his 2 years in the NFL. If only he could make a pro bowl.

The problem that supporters of Vince Young (and Vick and even Randall Cunningham back in the day) conveniently overlook is that to win at the highest level in the NFL you need an offense that is capable of adapting and exploiting matchups/circumstances presented by the defense. If you have a QB who is sound in your scheme and bring what his coaches design from the sidelines onto the field, you can do that. If you don't, you can't when you face the best defenses. Young, Vick and Cunningham are/were remarkable athletes with incredible ad libbing skills. That has value in the NFL and can win you games. Ultimately, however, this is a team game and you need more than that to beat a defense that is playing well, such as a defense in the last rounds of the playoffs, and none of those guys have (so far) been able to muster that. In short, the inability to run the offense places a ceiling upon the offense's abilities to compete. It can get you to the playoffs, but it won't win you championships, which of course is the pattern already discernible through those three players' careers.

So Vince Young now has a pattern of not winning championships. Hilarious.

 

[T Bell]

Did you see the Skins' game last night? Two of the top receivers on everyone's board put up a total of one catch. I realize, the Skins offense isn't dynamite, but these two were brought in to fix that, right?

I've seen alot of people give the Titans alot of grief over the past 6 months over passing on a receiver in the first round.

But when you look at how crappy the available receivers were, and when you watch the impact Chris Johnson will make, I think it will vindicate the front office in their selection of CJ over any of the available WR's.

It's so funny how if the Titans had selected Devin Thomas, the media would have probably proclaimed all off-season that they FINALLY gave VY a weapon and how much better the team would be.

The Titans have the defense to win now. Selecting Chris Johnson could put them over the top.

So the week 1 performance by the 'Skins passing game, which has a new offense, new head coach, new QB coach and new play-caller, and has two rookie WR's who missed most of training camp due to injuries (and one of whom, Kelly, is still injured and was inactive) is justification for the Titans failing to draft a WR in the 1st round? Put down the moonshine, Bubba.

The WR's in this draft were not very good. That was obvious when not a single receiver was selected in the first round. Yet somehow, the Titans got reamed by the media for months about passing on a WR and drafting Chris Johnson. Now we'll see whether that decision was smart or not. Bubba.

Hmmm, then maybe the reason why the Titans didn't draft WR's in the first round was that they weren't very good, and not because of anything the Redskins did or didn't do in the first game of the season. Interesting that the Redskins traded down, out of the first round, to draft their WR's rather than drafting some player they didn't really need like the Titans did, eh?

 

[FUBAR]

They're still a QB short of being a legitimate SB contender.

We'll see. Lets let Vince begin his 3rd season before we label him a bust, shall we? He doesn't have a torn quad, so he'll be mobile again this year, which he wasn't last year. You'll see a huge improvement.

No, he's a bust. If the Tennessee staff could get rid of this bum, they would but the owner wanted him. No top WR wants to go near this team while Vinnie is the WB. He would destroy their career. Roddy White, while I will still play wait and see, was almost destroyed by vick (the previous WR graveyard). He was lucky Vick got put away so he could tap some potential (1st 1000 yard season)

The coaching staff (you know, the one that made the playoffs) knows what they're doing. Strange that Vick had 3/4 of his years over .500 without great WRs. Almost as strange as this "bust" being ROY and making the playoffs in his 2 years in the NFL. If only he could make a pro bowl.

The problem that supporters of Vince Young (and Vick and even Randall Cunningham back in the day) conveniently overlook is that to win at the highest level in the NFL you need an offense that is capable of adapting and exploiting matchups/circumstances presented by the defense. If you have a QB who is sound in your scheme and bring what his coaches design from the sidelines onto the field, you can do that. If you don't, you can't when you face the best defenses. Young, Vick and Cunningham are/were remarkable athletes with incredible ad libbing skills. That has value in the NFL and can win you games. Ultimately, however, this is a team game and you need more than that to beat a defense that is playing well, such as a defense in the last rounds of the playoffs, and none of those guys have (so far) been able to muster that. In short, the inability to run the offense places a ceiling upon the offense's abilities to compete. It can get you to the playoffs, but it won't win you championships, which of course is the pattern already discernible through those three players' careers.

You're right, it is a team game. Super Bowls aren't a good judge of a QB. See Dan Marino.

 

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Did you see the Skins' game last night? Two of the top receivers on everyone's board put up a total of one catch. I realize, the Skins offense isn't dynamite, but these two were brought in to fix that, right?

I've seen alot of people give the Titans alot of grief over the past 6 months over passing on a receiver in the first round.

But when you look at how crappy the available receivers were, and when you watch the impact Chris Johnson will make, I think it will vindicate the front office in their selection of CJ over any of the available WR's.

It's so funny how if the Titans had selected Devin Thomas, the media would have probably proclaimed all off-season that they FINALLY gave VY a weapon and how much better the team would be.

The Titans have the defense to win now. Selecting Chris Johnson could put them over the top.

So the week 1 performance by the 'Skins passing game, which has a new offense, new head coach, new QB coach and new play-caller, and has two rookie WR's who missed most of training camp due to injuries (and one of whom, Kelly, is still injured and was inactive) is justification for the Titans failing to draft a WR in the 1st round? Put down the moonshine, Bubba.

The WR's in this draft were not very good. That was obvious when not a single receiver was selected in the first round. Yet somehow, the Titans got reamed by the media for months about passing on a WR and drafting Chris Johnson. Now we'll see whether that decision was smart or not. Bubba.

Hmmm, then maybe the reason why the Titans didn't draft WR's in the first round was that they weren't very good, and not because of anything the Redskins did or didn't do in the first game of the season. Interesting that the Redskins traded down, out of the first round, to draft their WR's rather than drafting some player they didn't really need like the Titans did, eh?

They weren't any good and won't make an immediate impact, as evidenced by last night. Despite the Redskins spending an early pick on Devin Thomas, Thomas made absolutely no impact to the game last night.On the other hand, there were plenty of other players the Skins could have selected that would have helped them last night.

The Titans needed an immediate spark in their offense, and no WR in this draft, aside from POSSIBLY Desean Jackson would provide that.

The point of the post is that it was a great draft selection, after being routinely panned by the media in the months following the draft.

 

[T Bell]

Did you see the Skins' game last night? Two of the top receivers on everyone's board put up a total of one catch. I realize, the Skins offense isn't dynamite, but these two were brought in to fix that, right?

I've seen alot of people give the Titans alot of grief over the past 6 months over passing on a receiver in the first round.

But when you look at how crappy the available receivers were, and when you watch the impact Chris Johnson will make, I think it will vindicate the front office in their selection of CJ over any of the available WR's.

It's so funny how if the Titans had selected Devin Thomas, the media would have probably proclaimed all off-season that they FINALLY gave VY a weapon and how much better the team would be.

The Titans have the defense to win now. Selecting Chris Johnson could put them over the top.

So the week 1 performance by the 'Skins passing game, which has a new offense, new head coach, new QB coach and new play-caller, and has two rookie WR's who missed most of training camp due to injuries (and one of whom, Kelly, is still injured and was inactive) is justification for the Titans failing to draft a WR in the 1st round? Put down the moonshine, Bubba.

The WR's in this draft were not very good. That was obvious when not a single receiver was selected in the first round. Yet somehow, the Titans got reamed by the media for months about passing on a WR and drafting Chris Johnson. Now we'll see whether that decision was smart or not. Bubba.

Hmmm, then maybe the reason why the Titans didn't draft WR's in the first round was that they weren't very good, and not because of anything the Redskins did or didn't do in the first game of the season. Interesting that the Redskins traded down, out of the first round, to draft their WR's rather than drafting some player they didn't really need like the Titans did, eh?

They weren't any good and won't make an immediate impact, as evidenced by last night. Despite the Redskins spending an early pick on Devin Thomas, Thomas made absolutely no impact to the game last night.On the other hand, there were plenty of other players the Skins could have selected that would have helped them last night.

The Titans needed an immediate spark in their offense, and no WR in this draft, aside from POSSIBLY Desean Jackson would provide that.

The point of the post is that it was a great draft selection, after being routinely panned by the media in the months following the draft.

It's idiotic to rely upon the first regular season game as a basis for talking about who makes an impact.

 

[T Bell]

They're still a QB short of being a legitimate SB contender.

We'll see. Lets let Vince begin his 3rd season before we label him a bust, shall we? He doesn't have a torn quad, so he'll be mobile again this year, which he wasn't last year. You'll see a huge improvement.

No, he's a bust. If the Tennessee staff could get rid of this bum, they would but the owner wanted him. No top WR wants to go near this team while Vinnie is the WB. He would destroy their career. Roddy White, while I will still play wait and see, was almost destroyed by vick (the previous WR graveyard). He was lucky Vick got put away so he could tap some potential (1st 1000 yard season)

The coaching staff (you know, the one that made the playoffs) knows what they're doing. Strange that Vick had 3/4 of his years over .500 without great WRs. Almost as strange as this "bust" being ROY and making the playoffs in his 2 years in the NFL. If only he could make a pro bowl.

The problem that supporters of Vince Young (and Vick and even Randall Cunningham back in the day) conveniently overlook is that to win at the highest level in the NFL you need an offense that is capable of adapting and exploiting matchups/circumstances presented by the defense. If you have a QB who is sound in your scheme and bring what his coaches design from the sidelines onto the field, you can do that. If you don't, you can't when you face the best defenses. Young, Vick and Cunningham are/were remarkable athletes with incredible ad libbing skills. That has value in the NFL and can win you games. Ultimately, however, this is a team game and you need more than that to beat a defense that is playing well, such as a defense in the last rounds of the playoffs, and none of those guys have (so far) been able to muster that. In short, the inability to run the offense places a ceiling upon the offense's abilities to compete. It can get you to the playoffs, but it won't win you championships, which of course is the pattern already discernible through those three players' careers.

You're right, it is a team game. Super Bowls aren't a good judge of a QB. See Dan Marino.

Hey kids! Can you spot the logical flaw in FUBAR's argument?

 

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Did you see the Skins' game last night? Two of the top receivers on everyone's board put up a total of one catch. I realize, the Skins offense isn't dynamite, but these two were brought in to fix that, right?

I've seen alot of people give the Titans alot of grief over the past 6 months over passing on a receiver in the first round.

But when you look at how crappy the available receivers were, and when you watch the impact Chris Johnson will make, I think it will vindicate the front office in their selection of CJ over any of the available WR's.

It's so funny how if the Titans had selected Devin Thomas, the media would have probably proclaimed all off-season that they FINALLY gave VY a weapon and how much better the team would be.

The Titans have the defense to win now. Selecting Chris Johnson could put them over the top.

So the week 1 performance by the 'Skins passing game, which has a new offense, new head coach, new QB coach and new play-caller, and has two rookie WR's who missed most of training camp due to injuries (and one of whom, Kelly, is still injured and was inactive) is justification for the Titans failing to draft a WR in the 1st round? Put down the moonshine, Bubba.

The WR's in this draft were not very good. That was obvious when not a single receiver was selected in the first round. Yet somehow, the Titans got reamed by the media for months about passing on a WR and drafting Chris Johnson. Now we'll see whether that decision was smart or not. Bubba.

Hmmm, then maybe the reason why the Titans didn't draft WR's in the first round was that they weren't very good, and not because of anything the Redskins did or didn't do in the first game of the season. Interesting that the Redskins traded down, out of the first round, to draft their WR's rather than drafting some player they didn't really need like the Titans did, eh?

They weren't any good and won't make an immediate impact, as evidenced by last night. Despite the Redskins spending an early pick on Devin Thomas, Thomas made absolutely no impact to the game last night.On the other hand, there were plenty of other players the Skins could have selected that would have helped them last night.

The Titans needed an immediate spark in their offense, and no WR in this draft, aside from POSSIBLY Desean Jackson would provide that.

The point of the post is that it was a great draft selection, after being routinely panned by the media in the months following the draft.

It's idiotic to rely upon the first regular season game as a basis for talking about who makes an impact.

No it's not. The Titans wanted an immediate impact for THIS year. They needed offense QUICKLY. They couldn't afford to draft a guy and wait for him to develop.Devin Thomas doesn't look ready to make an immediate impact. Based on lots of reasons, one of which is the fact that he made no discernable impact last night.

 

[massraider]

Boy, you're a lot more patient with Vince than you are with Devin Thomas.

 

[shader]

Boy, you're a lot more patient with Vince than you are with Devin Thomas.

I have nothing against Thomas. But my point is that he's not an impact player CURRENTLY. The Titans are at the stage where they want Young to take the next step and their defense is EXCELLENT. They needed an immediate impact.Thomas could turn out to be a top ten WR for all I know. But he won't be one for 2-3 years minimum, and the Titans didn't want to wait that long for the first round pick to develop.

 

[massraider]

Boy, you're a lot more patient with Vince than you are with Devin Thomas.

I have nothing against Thomas. But my point is that he's not an impact player CURRENTLY. The Titans are at the stage where they want Young to take the next step and their defense is EXCELLENT. They needed an immediate impact.Thomas could turn out to be a top ten WR for all I know. But he won't be one for 2-3 years minimum, and the Titans didn't want to wait that long for the first round pick to develop.

Actually, I agree with your premise, I didn't think another young WR is what the Titans needed. However......if Thomas/Sweed/pick your favorite rookie develops into a top WR in the next year or so, it may look a lot worse. the Titans are not the Chargers, who are in the midst of their window. They are an ascending team, and I think they have the time to develop a top WR.The reason I agree with your premise is because I don't buy that the lack of talent at WR is holding Vince back. I think Vince's accuracy (or lack therof) is what is holding Vince back.

 

[stevegamer]

I think you're going to see DeSean Jackson make an impact week 1 - in the notoriously hard to learn West Coast Offense. Of course, he does things besides play WR, which is why he would've made great sense to draft for the Titans.

 

[shader]

Boy, you're a lot more patient with Vince than you are with Devin Thomas.

I have nothing against Thomas. But my point is that he's not an impact player CURRENTLY. The Titans are at the stage where they want Young to take the next step and their defense is EXCELLENT. They needed an immediate impact.Thomas could turn out to be a top ten WR for all I know. But he won't be one for 2-3 years minimum, and the Titans didn't want to wait that long for the first round pick to develop.

Actually, I agree with your premise, I didn't think another young WR is what the Titans needed. However......if Thomas/Sweed/pick your favorite rookie develops into a top WR in the next year or so, it may look a lot worse. the Titans are not the Chargers, who are in the midst of their window. They are an ascending team, and I think they have the time to develop a top WR.The reason I agree with your premise is because I don't buy that the lack of talent at WR is holding Vince back. I think Vince's accuracy (or lack therof) is what is holding Vince back.

Vince's completion percentage wasn't that bad last year. What was bad was the fact that his receivers had absolutely horrible YAC. Maybe some of that is Vince not putting the ball where it needs to be, sure. He has alot to improve on, no doubt. But some act like he had a 40% completion percentage last year. His major problem is not having a deep threat, or a guy he could dump the ball to and watch them run. How much worse would McNabb's numbers be if he couldn't dump it off to Westbrook 5 times a game.Anyway, I think the Titans have a super bowl defense this year, and Fisher knows if he can run the ball with this defense, they can cause major problems in the AFC. Johnson and Crumpler should make the offense dangerous enough to get the Titans to at least match their 07 win total, and to be a more dangerous team in the playoffs.

 

[Superbowl Shuffle]

They're still a QB short of being a legitimate SB contender.

We'll see. Lets let Vince begin his 3rd season before we label him a bust, shall we? He doesn't have a torn quad, so he'll be mobile again this year, which he wasn't last year. You'll see a huge improvement.

Whatever. And I don't want to start a war here, but the guy has soup between his ears.

Wonderlic = 6

 

[Andy Herron]

Vince Young labeled "meathead."

Too much "sausage on the brain."

http://blogs.usatoday.com/gameon/

 

[FUBAR]

They're still a QB short of being a legitimate SB contender.

We'll see. Lets let Vince begin his 3rd season before we label him a bust, shall we? He doesn't have a torn quad, so he'll be mobile again this year, which he wasn't last year. You'll see a huge improvement.

No, he's a bust. If the Tennessee staff could get rid of this bum, they would but the owner wanted him. No top WR wants to go near this team while Vinnie is the WB. He would destroy their career. Roddy White, while I will still play wait and see, was almost destroyed by vick (the previous WR graveyard). He was lucky Vick got put away so he could tap some potential (1st 1000 yard season)

The coaching staff (you know, the one that made the playoffs) knows what they're doing. Strange that Vick had 3/4 of his years over .500 without great WRs. Almost as strange as this "bust" being ROY and making the playoffs in his 2 years in the NFL. If only he could make a pro bowl.

The problem that supporters of Vince Young (and Vick and even Randall Cunningham back in the day) conveniently overlook is that to win at the highest level in the NFL you need an offense that is capable of adapting and exploiting matchups/circumstances presented by the defense. If you have a QB who is sound in your scheme and bring what his coaches design from the sidelines onto the field, you can do that. If you don't, you can't when you face the best defenses. Young, Vick and Cunningham are/were remarkable athletes with incredible ad libbing skills. That has value in the NFL and can win you games. Ultimately, however, this is a team game and you need more than that to beat a defense that is playing well, such as a defense in the last rounds of the playoffs, and none of those guys have (so far) been able to muster that. In short, the inability to run the offense places a ceiling upon the offense's abilities to compete. It can get you to the playoffs, but it won't win you championships, which of course is the pattern already discernible through those three players' careers.

You're right, it is a team game. Super Bowls aren't a good judge of a QB. See Dan Marino.

Hey kids! Can you spot the logical flaw in FUBAR's argument?

Indulge us without making inferences that I didn't say.

 

[ltaylor]

Several of you have it backwards..........The biggest mistake Vince Young has made in his short NFL career has been not using his athleticism enough. When he runs early and often he is an elite QB in the league. When he stays in the pocket he sucks( ala last year). If Vince runs for 800 yards this season, my Titans will be SB contenders. That's 50 yards a game and easily attainable IMO.

 

[Bamboo Bill]

They're still a QB short of being a legitimate SB contender.

We'll see. Lets let Vince begin his 3rd season before we label him a bust, shall we? He doesn't have a torn quad, so he'll be mobile again this year, which he wasn't last year. You'll see a huge improvement.

No, he's a bust. If the Tennessee staff could get rid of this bum, they would but the owner wanted him. No top WR wants to go near this team while Vinnie is the WB. He would destroy their career. Roddy White, while I will still play wait and see, was almost destroyed by vick (the previous WR graveyard). He was lucky Vick got put away so he could tap some potential (1st 1000 yard season)

Such a ridiculous post. Nothing but innuendo and bull. Do you always just make stuff up?

Roddy White was a superstar with Vick? I guess I missed all that.

I was referring to the parts of your post that you completely made up

Just like his Garrard shtick. Dude has 0% credibility around here.

 

[Clifton]

They're still a QB short of being a legitimate SB contender.

We'll see. Lets let Vince begin his 3rd season before we label him a bust, shall we? He doesn't have a torn quad, so he'll be mobile again this year, which he wasn't last year. You'll see a huge improvement.

No, he's a bust. If the Tennessee staff could get rid of this bum, they would but the owner wanted him. No top WR wants to go near this team while Vinnie is the WB. He would destroy their career. Roddy White, while I will still play wait and see, was almost destroyed by vick (the previous WR graveyard). He was lucky Vick got put away so he could tap some potential (1st 1000 yard season)

Such a ridiculous post. Nothing but innuendo and bull. Do you always just make stuff up?

Roddy White was a superstar with Vick? I guess I missed all that.

I was referring to the parts of your post that you completely made up

Just like his Garrard shtick. Dude has 0% credibility around here.

The loss of credibility is astounding and pretty well documented at this point. Even been reading about it on a few other boards.

 

[Hook Em']

I really really hate to say this but; VY just might be an NFL bust. He is one of the top 5 NCAA QB's of all time in my opinion, but damn; he just does not look good in the NFL. Last season I tried to blame it on all the dropped passes, and yes, his WR corps sucked ### last season. However, it just seems that he is not looking like he is going to be a good NFL QB. I am going to continue to hold onto him in my dynasty league becasue I am a big VY fan, but I think it is just due to my Longhorn fan status. If Jay Cutler can do what he has done in Denver with the health probs, I see no reason why VY, on a better team, would not be producing at least as good as Cutler. Just my 2 cents. And just to be clear; I love VY, I just don't know if he will be a good NFL QB.

 

[flranger]

Are Shader and Irish related?

 

[3C's]

They couldn't afford to draft a guy and wait for him to develop.

That's the kind of thinking that keeps a team a playoff contender rather than a SB contender.

 

[Traders2001]

I really really hate to say this but; VY just might be an NFL bust. He is one of the top 5 NCAA QB's of all time in my opinion, but damn; he just does not look good in the NFL. Last season I tried to blame it on all the dropped passes, and yes, his WR corps sucked ### last season. However, it just seems that he is not looking like he is going to be a good NFL QB. I am going to continue to hold onto him in my dynasty league becasue I am a big VY fan, but I think it is just due to my Longhorn fan status. If Jay Cutler can do what he has done in Denver with the health probs, I see no reason why VY, on a better team, would not be producing at least as good as Cutler. Just my 2 cents. And just to be clear; I love VY, I just don't know if he will be a good NFL QB.

There also one thing to consider , he so far in his carreer never had a NFL caliber receiver to throw to . ( Jones - WIlliams woulndt even be back ups in other teams , and they signed McCarreins who was cut by the Jets wow)

 

[sho nuff]

They're still a QB short of being a legitimate SB contender.

We'll see. Lets let Vince begin his 3rd season before we label him a bust, shall we? He doesn't have a torn quad, so he'll be mobile again this year, which he wasn't last year. You'll see a huge improvement.

No, he's a bust. If the Tennessee staff could get rid of this bum, they would but the owner wanted him. No top WR wants to go near this team while Vinnie is the WB. He would destroy their career. Roddy White, while I will still play wait and see, was almost destroyed by vick (the previous WR graveyard). He was lucky Vick got put away so he could tap some potential (1st 1000 yard season)

I guess McNair was a bust too then right?Look at their numbers...they are strikingly similar early in their careers.He is not going to put up Brady/Manning/Favre kind of numbers. That does not make him a bust.And no, the staff would not just get rid of him if they could...stop spreading BS.

 

[sho nuff]

They're still a QB short of being a legitimate SB contender.

We'll see. Lets let Vince begin his 3rd season before we label him a bust, shall we? He doesn't have a torn quad, so he'll be mobile again this year, which he wasn't last year. You'll see a huge improvement.

No, he's a bust. If the Tennessee staff could get rid of this bum, they would but the owner wanted him. No top WR wants to go near this team while Vinnie is the WB. He would destroy their career. Roddy White, while I will still play wait and see, was almost destroyed by vick (the previous WR graveyard). He was lucky Vick got put away so he could tap some potential (1st 1000 yard season)

Such a ridiculous post. Nothing but innuendo and bull. Do you always just make stuff up?

Roddy White was a superstar with Vick? I guess I missed all that.

I was referring to the parts of your post that you completely made up

Ask yourself this: As an FA NFL WR, would I want to sign on to play in Tennessee? The answer is no. You can call it made up but I don't see any big name WR's even contemplating signing with Tennessee. I gave you the reason.

Because there were so many big name WRs in free agency last year right?WRs will go where A. they can get money, B. they think they can win.Your reason is flawed and complete BS.

 

[sho nuff]

Did you see the Skins' game last night? Two of the top receivers on everyone's board put up a total of one catch. I realize, the Skins offense isn't dynamite, but these two were brought in to fix that, right?

I've seen alot of people give the Titans alot of grief over the past 6 months over passing on a receiver in the first round.

But when you look at how crappy the available receivers were, and when you watch the impact Chris Johnson will make, I think it will vindicate the front office in their selection of CJ over any of the available WR's.

It's so funny how if the Titans had selected Devin Thomas, the media would have probably proclaimed all off-season that they FINALLY gave VY a weapon and how much better the team would be.

The Titans have the defense to win now. Selecting Chris Johnson could put them over the top.

So the week 1 performance by the 'Skins passing game, which has a new offense, new head coach, new QB coach and new play-caller, and has two rookie WR's who missed most of training camp due to injuries (and one of whom, Kelly, is still injured and was inactive) is justification for the Titans failing to draft a WR in the 1st round? Put down the moonshine, Bubba.

The WR's in this draft were not very good. That was obvious when not a single receiver was selected in the first round. Yet somehow, the Titans got reamed by the media for months about passing on a WR and drafting Chris Johnson. Now we'll see whether that decision was smart or not. Bubba.

Hmmm, then maybe the reason why the Titans didn't draft WR's in the first round was that they weren't very good, and not because of anything the Redskins did or didn't do in the first game of the season. Interesting that the Redskins traded down, out of the first round, to draft their WR's rather than drafting some player they didn't really need like the Titans did, eh?

Who said the Titans did not need Chris Johnson?

 

[bostonfred]

1) Chris Johnson will probably get more receptions than the WR they would have selected instead.

2) The combination of LenDale running up the middle, Johnson stretching the defense laterally, Alge drawing the safety, and Vince Young's running ability is going to make this offense a nightmare to defend. This is a lesser version of the old Broncos' offenses with a better defense.

3) The offensive philosophy is not to pass the ball. They are a defensive team with three guys who can all run the football. "I'm not saying somebody is going to catch 90 or 100 balls," receiver coach Fred Graves said. "Because we're going to run the football. "The big thing is for us to make plays when we get the opportunities, for us to score in the red zone, for us to have a couple of guys that average 13 to 18 yards a catch. Those are the things I look at. It's not necessarily if a guy catches 90 balls. If you can catch 70 balls and you're averaging 16 yards a catch and you've got almost double digit touchdowns, I think that's a good year."

 

[the hairy scotsman]

They're still a QB short of being a legitimate SB contender.

We'll see. Lets let Vince begin his 3rd season before we label him a bust, shall we? He doesn't have a torn quad, so he'll be mobile again this year, which he wasn't last year. You'll see a huge improvement.

Whatever. And I don't want to start a war here, but the guy has soup between his ears.

Really sounds like you don't wanna start a war.

 

[Lash]

it's the age old fantasy vs. reality issue

vince does well in the NFL but he isn't a good fantasy QB

you can lump him in with other QBs who win around 70% of their games but were not QB1's in fantasy for a long stretch of time if ever ... Aikman, Vick, McNair etc

(although I do concede that there is a trend of the winning sucess of the "running" QB petering out once the season gets late in the playoff run)

now to the original post ... i think we need to watch CJ3 a couple games first to see about the Titans strategy

 

[the hairy scotsman]

They're still a QB short of being a legitimate SB contender.

We'll see. Lets let Vince begin his 3rd season before we label him a bust, shall we? He doesn't have a torn quad, so he'll be mobile again this year, which he wasn't last year. You'll see a huge improvement.

No, he's a bust. If the Tennessee staff could get rid of this bum, they would but the owner wanted him. No top WR wants to go near this team while Vinnie is the WB. He would destroy their career. Roddy White, while I will still play wait and see, was almost destroyed by vick (the previous WR graveyard). He was lucky Vick got put away so he could tap some potential (1st 1000 yard season)

The coaching staff (you know, the one that made the playoffs) knows what they're doing. Strange that Vick had 3/4 of his years over .500 without great WRs. Almost as strange as this "bust" being ROY and making the playoffs in his 2 years in the NFL. If only he could make a pro bowl.

The problem that supporters of Vince Young (and Vick and even Randall Cunningham back in the day) conveniently overlook is that to win at the highest level in the NFL you need an offense that is capable of adapting and exploiting matchups/circumstances presented by the defense. If you have a QB who is sound in your scheme and bring what his coaches design from the sidelines onto the field, you can do that. If you don't, you can't when you face the best defenses. Young, Vick and Cunningham are/were remarkable athletes with incredible ad libbing skills. That has value in the NFL and can win you games. Ultimately, however, this is a team game and you need more than that to beat a defense that is playing well, such as a defense in the last rounds of the playoffs, and none of those guys have (so far) been able to muster that. In short, the inability to run the offense places a ceiling upon the offense's abilities to compete. It can get you to the playoffs, but it won't win you championships, which of course is the pattern already discernible through those three players' careers.

So Vince Young now has a pattern of not winning championships. Hilarious.

He IS 0-2, after all. How can you argue such a strong point?LOL.

He is not going to put up Brady/Manning/Favre kind of numbers.

Hell, Brady/Manning/Favre wouldn't put up Brady/Manning/Favre type numbers in that conservative offense and with those weapons.

 

[fatness]

Did you see the Skins' game last night? Two of the top receivers on everyone's board put up a total of one catch. I realize, the Skins offense isn't dynamite, but these two were brought in to fix that, right?

One of the Skins rookie WR's was recovering from an injury and was inactive. The other was injured during much of preseason and is way behind. There's really no conclusion to be made at this point in time about their value (or lack of it) as draft picks.