Why would "Safe and Secure" college coaches even (1 Viewer)

[Mimo]

I preference this to the Pete Carroll, Urban Meyer and Kirk Ferentz of the world. Some coaches in college have it all, basically. They have a great job, financial security, good to great teams, pick of the litter with players, etc. The turnover for NFL coaches is high, why even pick up the phone if a NFL team calls?

The only reason I would think is ego and we know alot of coaches probably have one.

 

[JohnnyU]

Sometimes ego, sometimes coin.

 

[Slider]

Why would a star minor leaguer want to play in the majors? Ego? Fame? Money? To be at the top?

 

[saintsfan]

Because, no matter how successful you are as a college coach, you are always a second class citizen compared to the Lombardi's, Landry's, Belicheck's, ect.

College coaches haven't done it at the very highest level. You can coach for a very long time with a lot of success, but you aren't seen as the best of the best.

 

[Mimo]

Because, no matter how successful you are as a college coach, you are always a second class citizen compared to the Lombardi's, Landry's, Belicheck's, ect.

College coaches haven't done it at the very highest level. You can coach for a very long time with a lot of success, but you aren't seen as the best of the best.

So you would consider Paterno, Bowden, Bear or Eddie Robinson the best of the best?I think Carroll and Meyer, for example, could enter the territory of the above guys if they stayed in college for 30+ years and never coached a down in the NFL.

 

[massraider]

Because, no matter how successful you are as a college coach, you are always a second class citizen compared to the Lombardi's, Landry's, Belicheck's, ect.

College coaches haven't done it at the very highest level. You can coach for a very long time with a lot of success, but you aren't seen as the best of the best.

So you would consider Paterno, Bowden, Bear or Eddie Robinson the best of the best?I think Carroll and Meyer, for example, could enter the territory of the above guys if they stayed in college for 30+ years and never coached a down in the NFL.

It's the perception that you haven't done it at the highest level.Warren Moon might've won 15 Grey Cups, but no one would ever have called him a Hall of Fame QB, if he didn't go the NFL.

not saying that's right, but that's the perception.

I agree with you, I don't get why a Spurrier ever leaves Florida, but I also think the outside stuff that goes along with being a college coach can get annoying. Recruiting, alum, etc.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Because, no matter how successful you are as a college coach, you are always a second class citizen compared to the Lombardi's, Landry's, Belicheck's, ect. College coaches haven't done it at the very highest level. You can coach for a very long time with a lot of success, but you aren't seen as the best of the best.

Seriously? So Woody Hayes wasn't as good a coach as Tom Landry? Bud Wilkinson not as good as Belicheck? Bobby Bowden not as good as Chuck Knoll? Yeah, I'll go ahead and disagree. Outside of Lombardi the best college coaches of all-time take a back seat to no one.

 

[JohnnyU]

Because, no matter how successful you are as a college coach, you are always a second class citizen compared to the Lombardi's, Landry's, Belicheck's, ect. College coaches haven't done it at the very highest level. You can coach for a very long time with a lot of success, but you aren't seen as the best of the best.

Seriously? So Woody Hayes wasn't as good a coach as Tom Landry? Bud Wilkinson not as good as Belicheck? Bobby Bowden not as good as Chuck Knoll? Yeah, I'll go ahead and disagree. Outside of Lombardi the best college coaches of all-time take a back seat to no one.

A-men Dr. Detroit

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Also Kirk Ferentz should not be grouped with Carroll and you are giving Urban Meyer way too much credit for a guy who has always used the previous coaches players.

Ferentz is not at an elite program and isn't that highly regarded in NCAA football circles. Proof of that is him not getting or really even being seriously considered for jobs at Michigan, Tennessee, or Washington. Ferentz is an average recruiter, a decent Xs and Os coach, and a guy who can make a lot more money coaching in the pros than he ever would at Iowa. He's also been accused of being pretty shady something that on the NCAA level is not going to win you favors. That's not the case for Pete Carroll or Bob Stoops among others. Stoops made over 6 million dollars this year and he'll make a million more if the Sooners win the National title. He could very well jump to the NFL (rumored as being on the Denver Broncos shortlist) and the only reason he'd go is to prove he can do it, for self gratification.

Nick Saban thought this was a good idea when he left LSU and then realized what a mistake this was. In the NFL you manage much bigger egos, you have much less control, and you work a lot more hours during the season. I think Stoops would be nuts to leave Oklahoma where is is a God and rarely questioned but some coaches have to scratch that itch. But Ferentz isn't Stoops, he's a slightly above average coach who isn't getting long looks for the best jobs.

But yeah, it's ego. I can't blame guys with tons of success at the college level for wanting to give the NFL a go but to me college jobs are better because of the control and because of the stress. Although as a college coach there are more politics (recruiters, administrators, faculty, etc) you still don't have to deal with some headaches that are particular to the NFL like say Plaxico Burress shooting himself in the leg.

 

[saintsfan]

Because, no matter how successful you are as a college coach, you are always a second class citizen compared to the Lombardi's, Landry's, Belicheck's, ect. College coaches haven't done it at the very highest level. You can coach for a very long time with a lot of success, but you aren't seen as the best of the best.

Seriously? So Woody Hayes wasn't as good a coach as Tom Landry? Bud Wilkinson not as good as Belicheck? Bobby Bowden not as good as Chuck Knoll? Yeah, I'll go ahead and disagree. Outside of Lombardi the best college coaches of all-time take a back seat to no one.

Sorry. Don't agree.It's much harder to do it in the NFL because of the inherent inequity of the college game.Hayes and Wilkinson got multiple first round picks every years. Their schools recruit themselves. Landry could coach circles around both.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Because, no matter how successful you are as a college coach, you are always a second class citizen compared to the Lombardi's, Landry's, Belicheck's, ect. College coaches haven't done it at the very highest level. You can coach for a very long time with a lot of success, but you aren't seen as the best of the best.

Seriously? So Woody Hayes wasn't as good a coach as Tom Landry? Bud Wilkinson not as good as Belicheck? Bobby Bowden not as good as Chuck Knoll? Yeah, I'll go ahead and disagree. Outside of Lombardi the best college coaches of all-time take a back seat to no one.

Sorry. Don't agree.It's much harder to do it in the NFL because of the inherent inequity of the college game.Hayes and Wilkinson got multiple first round picks every years. Their schools recruit themselves. Landry could coach circles around both.

So I guess according to this theory Lenny Wilkins is a better coach than John Wooden also. Makes sense to me.

 

[Mimo]

Also Kirk Ferentz should not be grouped with Carroll and you are giving Urban Meyer way too much credit for a guy who has always used the previous coaches players.

Ferentz is not at an elite program and isn't that highly regarded in NCAA football circles. Proof of that is him not getting or really even being seriously considered for jobs at Michigan, Tennessee, or Washington. Ferentz is an average recruiter, a decent Xs and Os coach, and a guy who can make a lot more money coaching in the pros than he ever would at Iowa. He's also been accused of being pretty shady something that on the NCAA level is not going to win you favors. That's not the case for Pete Carroll or Bob Stoops among others. Stoops made over 6 million dollars this year and he'll make a million more if the Sooners win the National title. He could very well jump to the NFL (rumored as being on the Denver Broncos shortlist) and the only reason he'd go is to prove he can do it, for self gratification.

Nick Saban thought this was a good idea when he left LSU and then realized what a mistake this was. In the NFL you manage much bigger egos, you have much less control, and you work a lot more hours during the season. I think Stoops would be nuts to leave Oklahoma where is is a God and rarely questioned but some coaches have to scratch that itch. But Ferentz isn't Stoops, he's a slightly above average coach who isn't getting long looks for the best jobs.

But yeah, it's ego. I can't blame guys with tons of success at the college level for wanting to give the NFL a go but to me college jobs are better because of the control and because of the stress. Although as a college coach there are more politics (recruiters, administrators, faculty, etc) you still don't have to deal with some headaches that are particular to the NFL like say Plaxico Burress shooting himself in the leg.

Fine and I agree. Saban, Carroll and Meyer to a lesser extent are elite and should not even sniff the NFL. They are safe at there institutions, financially secure and can get about any player they wanted to come to their program. My question is some coaches have had the same setup and left (Spurrier comes to mind) for mind boggling reasons IMO. Spurrier had a golden goose at Florida that is now in Meyer's hands. A dose of truth serum and I bet Spurrier wishes he never left Gainesville.

 

[saintsfan]

Because, no matter how successful you are as a college coach, you are always a second class citizen compared to the Lombardi's, Landry's, Belicheck's, ect. College coaches haven't done it at the very highest level. You can coach for a very long time with a lot of success, but you aren't seen as the best of the best.

Seriously? So Woody Hayes wasn't as good a coach as Tom Landry? Bud Wilkinson not as good as Belicheck? Bobby Bowden not as good as Chuck Knoll? Yeah, I'll go ahead and disagree. Outside of Lombardi the best college coaches of all-time take a back seat to no one.

Sorry. Don't agree.It's much harder to do it in the NFL because of the inherent inequity of the college game.Hayes and Wilkinson got multiple first round picks every years. Their schools recruit themselves. Landry could coach circles around both.

So I guess according to this theory Lenny Wilkins is a better coach than John Wooden also. Makes sense to me.

Hold Up. Basketball is a different animal.The talent is more evenly balanced. Plus, what Wooden did was so extraordinary, he might be the exception.As far as college football coaches, MAYBE Bear Bryant would be on that Mount Rushmore with Lombardi, Shula, and Landry. Wilkinson and Hayes, no way.Let me put it another way. How many of these great college coaches have gone to the NFL and done anything?? Except for Jimmy Johnson, most of them have been abject failures. It is MUCH more difficult to do it in the NFL and it's not even close.

 

[-OZ-]

Because, no matter how successful you are as a college coach, you are always a second class citizen compared to the Lombardi's, Landry's, Belicheck's, ect. College coaches haven't done it at the very highest level. You can coach for a very long time with a lot of success, but you aren't seen as the best of the best.

Seriously? So Woody Hayes wasn't as good a coach as Tom Landry? Bud Wilkinson not as good as Belicheck? Bobby Bowden not as good as Chuck Knoll? Yeah, I'll go ahead and disagree. Outside of Lombardi the best college coaches of all-time take a back seat to no one.

Sorry. Don't agree.It's much harder to do it in the NFL because of the inherent inequity of the college game.Hayes and Wilkinson got multiple first round picks every years. Their schools recruit themselves. Landry could coach circles around both.

This is partially true, which is why W/L record doesn't mean much to me at the college level, but championships do. Both of the national and conference variety. The jobs are just completely different for the head coach, trying to compare them is like comparing the POTUS to a CEO of a fortune 500 company. Which is why many great college coaches fail in the NFL - FWIW, I'd speculate that many of your NFL coaches wouldn't be as good in college either.Sometimes you just want to try your hand at something different, whether it's actually more challenging or not.

 

[-OZ-]

Let me put it another way. How many of these great college coaches have gone to the NFL and done anything?? Except for Jimmy Johnson, most of them have been abject failures. It is MUCH more difficult to do it in the NFL and it's not even close.

how many great NFL coaches had a high level of success in the college game?

 

[saintsfan]

Let me put it another way. How many of these great college coaches have gone to the NFL and done anything?? Except for Jimmy Johnson, most of them have been abject failures. It is MUCH more difficult to do it in the NFL and it's not even close.

how many great NFL coaches had a high level of success in the college game?

Well, it's difficult to know because most REALLY good pro coaches won't go to college because it's a step down.Carroll is the one that jumps out at me. Bill Arnsparger is another guy who was well respected as a defensive coordinator in the NFL and was a very good college coach at LSU. June Jones, bad pro coach, good college coach.They are completely different. I grant you that. The thing is, if your argument is that the best college coaches are just as good as the best pro coaches, then why aren't the best high school coaches just as good as the best college coaches?? There are high school coaches here in Louisiana who've been at their school for years are are every bit as decorated at their level that Bear Bryant is at Alabama. I would never suggest that JT Curtis, for example, is as good as the Bear. That's clearly ridiculous. So, why should Bear or Wilkerson be seriously compared to Landry or Walsh or Lombardi?? To be the best, you have to do it at the highest level.Earlier in this post, Dr Detroit very cleverly brought up John Wooden. Wooden might be the lone exception because what he did was so extraordinary. However, I would still put Wooden clearly behind Red Auerbach because Wooden didn't do it at the highest level. Auerbach won just as dramatically, but against better competition.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Let me put it another way. How many of these great college coaches have gone to the NFL and done anything?? Except for Jimmy Johnson, most of them have been abject failures. It is MUCH more difficult to do it in the NFL and it's not even close.

how many great NFL coaches had a high level of success in the college game?

Well, it's difficult to know because most REALLY good pro coaches won't go to college because it's a step down.Carroll is the one that jumps out at me. Bill Arnsparger is another guy who was well respected as a defensive coordinator in the NFL and was a very good college coach at LSU. June Jones, bad pro coach, good college coach.They are completely different. I grant you that. The thing is, if your argument is that the best college coaches are just as good as the best pro coaches, then why aren't the best high school coaches just as good as the best college coaches?? There are high school coaches here in Louisiana who've been at their school for years are are every bit as decorated at their level that Bear Bryant is at Alabama. I would never suggest that JT Curtis, for example, is as good as the Bear. That's clearly ridiculous. So, why should Bear or Wilkerson be seriously compared to Landry or Walsh or Lombardi?? To be the best, you have to do it at the highest level.Earlier in this post, Dr Detroit very cleverly brought up John Wooden. Wooden might be the lone exception because what he did was so extraordinary. However, I would still put Wooden clearly behind Red Auerbach because Wooden didn't do it at the highest level.

I see where you are coming from even if I really don't agree with you whatsoever, but I think Nick Saban kind of shot your theory to hell. Also Bill Arnsbarger was a "very good college coach? June Jones? He is a decent college coach and I think he was an ok NFL coach with a bad team. He was 1-11 at SMU this year and he hasn't been offered any jaw dropping jobs, he's not that good. I think Holtz and Spurrier are the names you want to use for your argument.

 

[saintsfan]

Let me put it another way. How many of these great college coaches have gone to the NFL and done anything?? Except for Jimmy Johnson, most of them have been abject failures. It is MUCH more difficult to do it in the NFL and it's not even close.

how many great NFL coaches had a high level of success in the college game?

Well, it's difficult to know because most REALLY good pro coaches won't go to college because it's a step down.Carroll is the one that jumps out at me. Bill Arnsparger is another guy who was well respected as a defensive coordinator in the NFL and was a very good college coach at LSU. June Jones, bad pro coach, good college coach.They are completely different. I grant you that. The thing is, if your argument is that the best college coaches are just as good as the best pro coaches, then why aren't the best high school coaches just as good as the best college coaches?? There are high school coaches here in Louisiana who've been at their school for years are are every bit as decorated at their level that Bear Bryant is at Alabama. I would never suggest that JT Curtis, for example, is as good as the Bear. That's clearly ridiculous. So, why should Bear or Wilkerson be seriously compared to Landry or Walsh or Lombardi?? To be the best, you have to do it at the highest level.Earlier in this post, Dr Detroit very cleverly brought up John Wooden. Wooden might be the lone exception because what he did was so extraordinary. However, I would still put Wooden clearly behind Red Auerbach because Wooden didn't do it at the highest level.

I see where you are coming from even if I really don't agree with you whatsoever, but I think Nick Saban kind of shot your theory to hell. Also Bill Arnsbarger was a "very good college coach? June Jones? He is a decent college coach and I think he was an ok NFL coach with a bad team. He was 1-11 at SMU this year and he hasn't been offered any jaw dropping jobs, he's not that good. I think Holtz and Spurrier are the names you want to use for your argument.

Arnsparger was very good at LSU. Jones was good at Hawaii. I didn't say they were spectacular.Like I said, it's difficult to come up with names in that direction because the best pro coaches don't coach in college because it's clearly a step down. Vince Lombardi and Tom Landry would have considered it an insult to be compared to a college coach and wouldn't have dreamt of taking a college job.I don't get what you said about Saban?? Saban was a horrific head coach in the pros. He was a respected position coach in the NFL before going to college, but I don't see how that proves your point. If anything, Saban's two years with the Dolphins proves my point. Saban's much better when he gets 15+ blue chippers every year instead of only one first round pick like every one else.

 

[RustyFA2]

Detroit, Ferentz is shady? You sir don't have the first idea what you are talking about.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Detroit, Ferentz is shady? You sir don't have the first idea what you are talking about.

I don't? Sex scandel at Iowa

Ferentz is safe in job despite off field troubles

At worst, there has been a cover up since last fall, when two Iowa football players allegedly sexually assaulted a female Iowa student-athlete.

Those, in order, are the names of Iowa officials accountable during a widening scandal. Mason has admitted to withholding documents from the board of regents. Mills leaned on hard-to-decipher student privacy laws as a reason for not turning over letters written to the university by the accuser's mother. Barta is Ferentz's boss so -- we're just assuming here -- the guillotine will be dulled enough before it gets to the head football coach.

Take this all in context: Since April 2007, 18 Iowa players have had scrapes with the law. A skeptic might suggest the state's highest-paid employee (Ferentz) is cutting some recruiting corners trying to improve a program that has slipped to the second division of the Big Ten.

You want more?

After going 1-10 in his first season in Iowa City, Ferentz built the Hawkeyes into a national power, winning 21 games from 2002-04, but hasn't reached anywhere near that success since.

The Hawkeyes have gone 7-5, 6-7 and now 6-6, including a season-ending home loss to a middle-the-pack MAC team in Western Michigan.

Furthermore, Iowa has endured several off-the-field problems under Ferentz's watch, something highly frowned upon by the brass and alumni in Ann Arbor.

There have been numerous player suspensions and dismissals, as well as a scandal involving team members taking advantage of housing set up for low-income families, which included Frentz's son, Brian.

Kirk Ferentz, who earned nearly $2 million last year coaching the Hawkeye football team and lives in a million dollar house, has a son, Brian, who's on a full ride scholarship on the football team at the University of Iowa. The son lives in subsidized apartments for the poor.

Phil Haddy, a spokesman for the U of I athletic department, said Kirk Ferentz is not supporting his son financially through college.

"Brian is not receiving any income from his father," Haddy said. "He wants his son to have a normal college experience like any other student."

A number of college athletes, including several football players at the University of Iowa and other Top 25 schools, are living in apartments set aside for the poorest Americans.

ESPN's Outside the Lines will explore the subject on Sunday (ESPN, 9:30 a.m. ET).

The investigation found some of the most successful programs in college athletics have players living in subsidized housing, including Virginia Tech, which has 19 players living in Cambridge Square apartments, a federally-subsidized Section 8 complex in Blacksburg paid for by the government to house needy people.

Section 8 refers to federal code that includes subsidized housing.

As first brought to light by the Des Moines Register, dozens of full-scholarship Hawkeyes players, who received money for housing, paid little or no rent to live in the housing. Among them was offensive lineman Brian Ferentz, the son of Iowa head coach Kirk Ferentz, who was found to be living in an apartment subsidized by taxpayers.

Federal regulators have since tightened requirements for student athletes, many of whom receive a housing stipend intended to cover room and board expenses as part of their full scholarships. The stipends are based on what it would cost to live on campus.

But Outside the Lines, led by reporter John Barr, found students at Nebraska living in Section 8 housing as well.

College athletes receive a housing stipends intended to cover room and board expenses as part of their full scholarships -- stipends based on what it would cost to live on campus.

The NCAA says scholarship athletes are free to live off campus and spend their housing stipends however they want.

The Department of Housing and Urban Development, which oversees federal housing, says scholarship athletes who get housing stipends can still qualify, in some cases, for low rent or no rent apartments.

 

[Judge Smails]

I don't fault any college coach for taking their shot. The only one that I think would be absolutely crazy at this point to do it would be Carroll. He's got all the money he could want, people thinks he walks on water and it's unanimous that his personality is perfect for working with college athletes. That being said, I really think within 4-5 years he's gonna go for it. Not so much for the money, but for the challenge. It would have to be a combo GM/Coach/percentage of ownership type deal, with the right owner. And I think he'd be very successful.

 

[TwinTurbo]

I preference this to the Pete Carroll, Urban Meyer and Kirk Ferentz of the world. Some coaches in college have it all, basically. They have a great job, financial security, good to great teams, pick of the litter with players, etc. The turnover for NFL coaches is high, why even pick up the phone if a NFL team calls?The only reason I would think is ego and we know alot of coaches probably have one.

The only way I think it makes sense is if they go to an NFL team with an above average QB or a shot at one in the draft and full control over the draft and all personnel decisions. If you don't have a good QB and your GM doesn't bring in good talent, it's almost impossible to win. Consistently winning in the NFL is all about having better talent than the other team. Many coaches who are considered a genius one season, end up looking like idiots when they don't have good players. Belichick has become one of the exceptions here.

 

[-OZ-]

They are completely different. I grant you that. The thing is, if your argument is that the best college coaches are just as good as the best pro coaches, then why aren't the best high school coaches just as good as the best college coaches?? There are high school coaches here in Louisiana who've been at their school for years are are every bit as decorated at their level that Bear Bryant is at Alabama. I would never suggest that JT Curtis, for example, is as good as the Bear. That's clearly ridiculous. So, why should Bear or Wilkerson be seriously compared to Landry or Walsh or Lombardi?? To be the best, you have to do it at the highest level.

While I realize many high level HS teams recruit from the area, it's nowhere near as prevalent as college. The top college HCs have to recruit those blue chippers against 118 other Div 1 schools. They aren't on equal footing, but even the best need to beat the local teams and about 15 other top schools for the best recruits. Obviously schools like USC, ND and Texas have a bigger advantage than many, but it still takes work to scout those HS blue chips. The college HC usually has a lot more responsibility there than the pro coach does.

 

[fsufan]

Let me put it another way. How many of these great college coaches have gone to the NFL and done anything?? Except for Jimmy Johnson, most of them have been abject failures. It is MUCH more difficult to do it in the NFL and it's not even close.

how many great NFL coaches had a high level of success in the college game?

Charlie Weismy bad you said successful

 

[Thorpe]

The NFL and college are a different game, and some guys are more suited to one than the other. A college coach has to a salesman, both to recruit players and for fundraising. He has to be "rah-rah" about school spirit and have pep rallies. NFL coaching is all about X's and O's and game planning. College coaches need to keep it simple, because they have fewer practises and the players anre't as savvy. Both coaches need to motivate, but the techniques used are different.

 

[RustyFA2]

Detroit, Ferentz is shady? You sir don't have the first idea what you are talking about.

I don't? Sex scandel at Iowa

Ferentz is safe in job despite off field troubles

At worst, there has been a cover up since last fall, when two Iowa football players allegedly sexually assaulted a female Iowa student-athlete.

Those, in order, are the names of Iowa officials accountable during a widening scandal. Mason has admitted to withholding documents from the board of regents. Mills leaned on hard-to-decipher student privacy laws as a reason for not turning over letters written to the university by the accuser's mother. Barta is Ferentz's boss so -- we're just assuming here -- the guillotine will be dulled enough before it gets to the head football coach.

Take this all in context: Since April 2007, 18 Iowa players have had scrapes with the law. A skeptic might suggest the state's highest-paid employee (Ferentz) is cutting some recruiting corners trying to improve a program that has slipped to the second division of the Big Ten.

You want more?

After going 1-10 in his first season in Iowa City, Ferentz built the Hawkeyes into a national power, winning 21 games from 2002-04, but hasn't reached anywhere near that success since.

The Hawkeyes have gone 7-5, 6-7 and now 6-6, including a season-ending home loss to a middle-the-pack MAC team in Western Michigan.

Furthermore, Iowa has endured several off-the-field problems under Ferentz's watch, something highly frowned upon by the brass and alumni in Ann Arbor.

There have been numerous player suspensions and dismissals, as well as a scandal involving team members taking advantage of housing set up for low-income families, which included Frentz's son, Brian.

Kirk Ferentz, who earned nearly $2 million last year coaching the Hawkeye football team and lives in a million dollar house, has a son, Brian, who's on a full ride scholarship on the football team at the University of Iowa. The son lives in subsidized apartments for the poor.

Phil Haddy, a spokesman for the U of I athletic department, said Kirk Ferentz is not supporting his son financially through college.

"Brian is not receiving any income from his father," Haddy said. "He wants his son to have a normal college experience like any other student."

A number of college athletes, including several football players at the University of Iowa and other Top 25 schools, are living in apartments set aside for the poorest Americans.

ESPN's Outside the Lines will explore the subject on Sunday (ESPN, 9:30 a.m. ET).

The investigation found some of the most successful programs in college athletics have players living in subsidized housing, including Virginia Tech, which has 19 players living in Cambridge Square apartments, a federally-subsidized Section 8 complex in Blacksburg paid for by the government to house needy people.

Section 8 refers to federal code that includes subsidized housing.

As first brought to light by the Des Moines Register, dozens of full-scholarship Hawkeyes players, who received money for housing, paid little or no rent to live in the housing. Among them was offensive lineman Brian Ferentz, the son of Iowa head coach Kirk Ferentz, who was found to be living in an apartment subsidized by taxpayers.

Federal regulators have since tightened requirements for student athletes, many of whom receive a housing stipend intended to cover room and board expenses as part of their full scholarships. The stipends are based on what it would cost to live on campus.

But Outside the Lines, led by reporter John Barr, found students at Nebraska living in Section 8 housing as well.

College athletes receive a housing stipends intended to cover room and board expenses as part of their full scholarships -- stipends based on what it would cost to live on campus.

The NCAA says scholarship athletes are free to live off campus and spend their housing stipends however they want.

The Department of Housing and Urban Development, which oversees federal housing, says scholarship athletes who get housing stipends can still qualify, in some cases, for low rent or no rent apartments.

So all you have is that players that were kicked off the team alledgedly raped someone. Ferentz worked with the investigation and never did anything to slow it.

And football players live in the low income housing. I've got news for you, thousands of students live there. Did they qualify to live there? Yes. Did they break any law or regulations? No

Ferentz is a good and moral person. You don't know much about him.

 

[zDragon]

Sometimes ego, sometimes coin.

Correct answer.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Detroit, Ferentz is shady? You sir don't have the first idea what you are talking about.

I don't? Sex scandel at Iowa

Ferentz is safe in job despite off field troubles

At worst, there has been a cover up since last fall, when two Iowa football players allegedly sexually assaulted a female Iowa student-athlete.

Those, in order, are the names of Iowa officials accountable during a widening scandal. Mason has admitted to withholding documents from the board of regents. Mills leaned on hard-to-decipher student privacy laws as a reason for not turning over letters written to the university by the accuser's mother. Barta is Ferentz's boss so -- we're just assuming here -- the guillotine will be dulled enough before it gets to the head football coach.

Take this all in context: Since April 2007, 18 Iowa players have had scrapes with the law. A skeptic might suggest the state's highest-paid employee (Ferentz) is cutting some recruiting corners trying to improve a program that has slipped to the second division of the Big Ten.

You want more?

After going 1-10 in his first season in Iowa City, Ferentz built the Hawkeyes into a national power, winning 21 games from 2002-04, but hasn't reached anywhere near that success since.

The Hawkeyes have gone 7-5, 6-7 and now 6-6, including a season-ending home loss to a middle-the-pack MAC team in Western Michigan.

Furthermore, Iowa has endured several off-the-field problems under Ferentz's watch, something highly frowned upon by the brass and alumni in Ann Arbor.

There have been numerous player suspensions and dismissals, as well as a scandal involving team members taking advantage of housing set up for low-income families, which included Frentz's son, Brian.

Kirk Ferentz, who earned nearly $2 million last year coaching the Hawkeye football team and lives in a million dollar house, has a son, Brian, who's on a full ride scholarship on the football team at the University of Iowa. The son lives in subsidized apartments for the poor.

Phil Haddy, a spokesman for the U of I athletic department, said Kirk Ferentz is not supporting his son financially through college.

"Brian is not receiving any income from his father," Haddy said. "He wants his son to have a normal college experience like any other student."

A number of college athletes, including several football players at the University of Iowa and other Top 25 schools, are living in apartments set aside for the poorest Americans.

ESPN's Outside the Lines will explore the subject on Sunday (ESPN, 9:30 a.m. ET).

The investigation found some of the most successful programs in college athletics have players living in subsidized housing, including Virginia Tech, which has 19 players living in Cambridge Square apartments, a federally-subsidized Section 8 complex in Blacksburg paid for by the government to house needy people.

Section 8 refers to federal code that includes subsidized housing.

As first brought to light by the Des Moines Register, dozens of full-scholarship Hawkeyes players, who received money for housing, paid little or no rent to live in the housing. Among them was offensive lineman Brian Ferentz, the son of Iowa head coach Kirk Ferentz, who was found to be living in an apartment subsidized by taxpayers.

Federal regulators have since tightened requirements for student athletes, many of whom receive a housing stipend intended to cover room and board expenses as part of their full scholarships. The stipends are based on what it would cost to live on campus.

But Outside the Lines, led by reporter John Barr, found students at Nebraska living in Section 8 housing as well.

College athletes receive a housing stipends intended to cover room and board expenses as part of their full scholarships -- stipends based on what it would cost to live on campus.

The NCAA says scholarship athletes are free to live off campus and spend their housing stipends however they want.

The Department of Housing and Urban Development, which oversees federal housing, says scholarship athletes who get housing stipends can still qualify, in some cases, for low rent or no rent apartments.

So all you have is that players that were kicked off the team alledgedly raped someone. Ferentz worked with the investigation and never did anything to slow it.

And football players live in the low income housing. I've got news for you, thousands of students live there. Did they qualify to live there? Yes. Did they break any law or regulations? No

Ferentz is a good and moral person. You don't know much about him.

Thanks Kirk Jr, great case you presented.