Why wouldn't the Browns trade Brady Quinn? (1 Viewer)

[The NFL-ony League]

I am asking for responses solely for selfish reasons. I would like to have an understanding of the workings inside the NFL front office and I am positive the shark pool school knows a lot more than me.

Last year there was speculation Quinn could be the #1 overall pick. On draft day he did slide, but ultimately as an early rnd pick, he would only be drafted by a team with a QB need. The Browns were so confident in Quinn's future, they traded the #36 overall pick of 2007 and a projected top 10 pick in 2008 to get him.

IMO unless a QB is a genius or falls into a productive system where he is not relied upon to win games it usually takes about 5 years or so for them to grasp the NFL to a degree where they can use their tremendous talent and excel. Quinn not only came from Weiss' program, but now has his first year under his belt. I know it was only preseason, but Quinn played well when he was given a chance to play. I have heard mixed review of this years crop of QB's, but wouldn't Quinn be more valuable to a team like ATL, Balt, Mia, Min, ... than the QB's coming into the league this year?

Derek Anderson has proven he can compete in the NFL on the Browns. He performed admirably in 2006 when he was called upon against some of the best defenses in the league at the time. We all know how he fared in 2007. He is basically the same age as Quinn and has 2 more seasons in the NFL and infinitely more starting experience than Quinn. He is taller than Quinn, which I think is very important in today's NFL. He can make more throws than Quinn.

Why wouldn't the Browns consider trading Quinn?

Am I wrong, would Quinn not be more valuable than any of this years QB prospects?

Is it impossible for the Browns to trade him because of a cap hit they would take?

Do the Browns not have confidence in Anderson as their QB of the present and future?

Do the Browns think it's important to have one of the most expensive backups in the league?

Do the Browns think they need a Subway commercial celebrity to improve their image and grow their fan base, instead of trading him for a player(s) who could help get them to the superbowl?

Help me understand!

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Quinn is not making huge $$. (I'm certain he has incentives -- performace ones. Ones he won't obtain on the bench). It's nothing to them to have him sit there. I would only deal him if you were guaranteed a top 10 pick this year. (And even then, I wouldn't pull anything until draft day itself....with the team you're in talks with on the clock).

Scenario -- Ravens on the clock (Ryan gone). I'd only do a deal at that time and it'd guarantee you a top DB. (as you're going to have to pay them more dough than Quinn).

I put the odds of Quinn being dealt this year at 0. It's going to be Anderson, either he'll show again he's capable of being a franchise QB or he doesn't and Quinn takes over later in 2008 or 2009.

 

[Irish]

I am asking for responses solely for selfish reasons. I would like to have an understanding of the workings inside the NFL front office and I am positive the shark pool school knows a lot more than me.Last year there was speculation Quinn could be the #1 overall pick. On draft day he did slide, but ultimately as an early rnd pick, he would only be drafted by a team with a QB need. The Browns were so confident in Quinn's future, they traded the #36 overall pick of 2007 and a projected top 10 pick in 2008 to get him. IMO unless a QB is a genius or falls into a productive system where he is not relied upon to win games it usually takes about 5 years or so for them to grasp the NFL to a degree where they can use their tremendous talent and excel. Quinn not only came from Weiss' program, but now has his first year under his belt. I know it was only preseason, but Quinn played well when he was given a chance to play. I have heard mixed review of this years crop of QB's, but wouldn't Quinn be more valuable to a team like ATL, Balt, Mia, Min, ... than the QB's coming into the league this year?Derek Anderson has proven he can compete in the NFL on the Browns. He performed admirably in 2006 when he was called upon against some of the best defenses in the league at the time. We all know how he fared in 2007. He is basically the same age as Quinn and has 2 more seasons in the NFL and infinitely more starting experience than Quinn. He is taller than Quinn, which I think is very important in today's NFL. He can make more throws than Quinn.Why wouldn't the Browns consider trading Quinn?Am I wrong, would Quinn not be more valuable than any of this years QB prospects?Is it impossible for the Browns to trade him because of a cap hit they would take?Do the Browns not have confidence in Anderson as their QB of the present and future?Do the Browns think it's important to have one of the most expensive backups in the league?Do the Browns think they need a Subway commercial celebrity to improve their image and grow their fan base, instead of trading him for a player(s) who could help get them to the superbowl?Help me understand!

I believe Ryan is a better prospect than Quinn, but the main reason why the Browns will not trade Quinn is they do not have 100% faith in Anderson long term and they believe they are a playoff capable team this yr and they might need Quinn at some point due to injury or ineffectiveness of Anderson.

 

[duece2626]

Scenario -- Ravens on the clock (Ryan gone). I'd only do a deal at that time and it'd guarantee you a top DB. (as you're going to have to pay them more dough than Quinn).

The Browns are not trading either QB to a division rival. Mark that down.

 

[EBF]

Just because Quinn would have a chance to be the 1.01 in this draft doesn't mean he'd be the top player available.

Teams are always willing to overdraft QB's based on the potential for getting a Peyton or a Roethlisberger, but I think most teams in the league would much rather have a top 15 pick than Brady Quinn.

 

[King of the Wolfies]

the main reason why the Browns will not trade Quinn is they do not have 100% faith in Anderson long term and they believe they are a playoff capable team this yr and they might need Quinn at some point due to injury or ineffectiveness of Anderson.

The Browns are not trading either QB to a division rival. Mark that down.

 

[Andy Herron]

All good points thus far, and no, Quinn's contract is not costly to the Browns at all. It's actually very reasonable.

Everybody knows that in this day and age that teams need two capable quarterbacks to reach their full potential in any given season. The Browns feel they have that in place, and it would be hard to argue.

However, the consensus as to why Quinn fell as he did in last year's draft is that most scouts and teams feel that Quinn has already nearly reached his ceiling in potential as a quarterback, and he's just not viewed as someone who has much more room to grow when it comes down to his talent and ability.

If you go back and look at the bigger games he played while with the Irish, against the more formidable opponents, he struggled if not failed miserably.

Now, while one might say it could be comparable to other QBs that moved on to have success in the NFL, well, there's not very many for one, and if pro scouts deem him to be simply what he is, there really isn't anything to support an argument otherwise.

Hey, everybody misses with quarterbacks in the NFL when it comes to judgement. But, by the same token, there are those who simply don't measure up when it comes to playing on Sundays either.

I think we all know that list.

Hell, I, for one, thought Tim Couch would be a smash when he came out of Kentucky and went to the Browns. That didn't work out so well, did it?

 

[hutchins929]

I don't see the Browns trading either qb this year... However, next season is the year that Quinn takes over IMO. So Anderson will be dealt to an NFC team then.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Quinn? Trade?

Idiocy.

Think we've been through this before.

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

What a difference a year makes... I just want to point out that in the offseason last year QB was one of the Brownies' weaknesses. Now, a year later, it's viewed as one of their strengths. And it's the same two guys, just minus one dud. This time next year, it MAY be viewed as a weakness again. Who knows...

Point is, I think the Browns are smart to keep both DA and Quinn around right now. It's too soon to assume that either one is your QB of the future, but with both on board the odds sure are increased that one of them pans out long-term.

 

[JKL]

I am asking for responses solely for selfish reasons. I would like to have an understanding of the workings inside the NFL front office and I am positive the shark pool school knows a lot more than me.

Last year there was speculation Quinn could be the #1 overall pick. On draft day he did slide, but ultimately as an early rnd pick, he would only be drafted by a team with a QB need. The Browns were so confident in Quinn's future, they traded the #36 overall pick of 2007 and a projected top 10 pick in 2008 to get him.

IMO unless a QB is a genius or falls into a productive system where he is not relied upon to win games it usually takes about 5 years or so for them to grasp the NFL to a degree where they can use their tremendous talent and excel. Quinn not only came from Weiss' program, but now has his first year under his belt. I know it was only preseason, but Quinn played well when he was given a chance to play. I have heard mixed review of this years crop of QB's, but wouldn't Quinn be more valuable to a team like ATL, Balt, Mia, Min, ... than the QB's coming into the league this year?

Derek Anderson has proven he can compete in the NFL on the Browns. He performed admirably in 2006 when he was called upon against some of the best defenses in the league at the time. We all know how he fared in 2007. He is basically the same age as Quinn and has 2 more seasons in the NFL and infinitely more starting experience than Quinn. He is taller than Quinn, which I think is very important in today's NFL. He can make more throws than Quinn.

Why wouldn't the Browns consider trading Quinn?

Am I wrong, would Quinn not be more valuable than any of this years QB prospects?

Is it impossible for the Browns to trade him because of a cap hit they would take?

Do the Browns not have confidence in Anderson as their QB of the present and future?

Do the Browns think it's important to have one of the most expensive backups in the league?

Do the Browns think they need a Subway commercial celebrity to improve their image and grow their fan base, instead of trading him for a player(s) who could help get them to the superbowl?

Help me understand!

I know its not the main point, but this statement is not true. Most quarterbacks who turn out to be long term starters play at an above average level by either their first or second starting seasons (excluding rookie year if they started as a true out of college rookie). I don't know where you draw the line of "genius", but off the top of my head, the following guys were providing above league average QB play fairly early in their playing careers (not all improved or stayed at that level thereafter): Montana, Lomax, Krieg, Elway, O'Brien, Marino, Esiason, Hebert, Everett, Cunningham, Aikman, Schroeder, Rypien, Favre, Blake, Bledsoe, Frerotte, Mitchell, Brunell, P Manning, McNabb, Culpepper, Pennington, Vick, Brady, Bulger, Brooks, Palmer.As for the questions on Quinn-- I don't know that much has changed to change teams opinions of Quinn from last year, whatever those opinions may be. If 20 teams passed last year, for whatever reason, then you're probably not going to get someone to give up an early first. Since the Browns don't need to trade Quinn, they have no incentive to accept a low ball offer either. Quinn is in no way close to being the highest paid backup quarterback in the league, his contract is incentive based and most haven't kicked in--there is no financial incentive to trade him right now. I'm pretty sure guys like Kelly Holcomb, Brian Griese and David Carr made as much or more last year than Quinn would this year as backups. I would say the Browns have enough questions about Anderson to pay him 8 million a year to find out, but are not putting all their eggs in that basket either. And lastly, I have no idea what the Browns views on Subway commercials are.

 

[Dolfan]

Just my 2 cents, but I'd rank them:

1. Matt Ryan

2. Brian Brohm

3. Brady Quinn

4. (tie) Joe Flacco

4. (tie) Chad Henne

 

[Benchwarmers]

I think Anderson could flop this year. Having Quinn on the roster is smart. Should be interesting this year if Anderson struggles will Quinn do enough to become the full time starter.

 

[Crippler]

Quinn = Aaron Rodgers situation.

2 QB's how dropped. GB knew what they had but not when Brett would hang up compared to Anderson who they are unsure of still.

Just such a good price to ensure a backup you can rely on. Even SD gave Volek not bad money to be there backup. A necessary evil in the NFL if you have aspirations.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

... Why wouldn't the Browns consider trading Quinn?

This article tackles the main question of why the Browns not trade away Brady Quinn or Derek Anderson, at least not yet. Tons of other things cut so go to the link for the full story that explains why DA should start and gives further reasoning why the Browns should keep both QBs, for this year.http://www.theclevelandfan.com/article_det...110&ref=STO

... Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson are different quarterbacks but both have the ability to be solid starters in the league. Some Browns fans think one will fail and therefore the Browns should make a trade now in order to recoup missing draft selections. The logic being that the value for one quarterback will never be higher than it is right now and the fear is that not making a trade will fuel a QB controversy. Fear should not drive trading away a potential solid starting QB. The league has a shortage of quarterbacks that can play.

Steelers owner Dan Rooney at recent NFL meetings voted to keep the NFL exhibition season intact. His argument mentioned the failure of NFL Europe in prepping QBs to play in the NFL. Rooney's reasoning to keep exhibition games is interesting ... especially for a team holding two young QB prospects.

Rooney, "If you want to train quarterbacks -- we need quarterbacks in the league, there is a dearth of them -- you've got to play them," Rooney said.

Having two starting caliber QBs is a blessing not a curse. Last year the league saw a record 64 different starting quarterbacks. The time to trade away a QB is not now on the brink of the Browns long anticipated march to the post season. The Browns can weather a QB controversy but can't afford a single point of failure at the most critical position on the field without a viable backup QB. Holding two young starters in a QB starved league hints at a future trade but the time to dish is not now ...

... Brady Quinn

Quinn was selected in the bottom half of the first round but Savage tried trading up as early as the 12th pick for Quinn. First round quarterbacks have a higher success rate over QBs taken lower and selecting one at the top of the first round provides an even greater success. From 2000 to 2007 their have been 21 first round quarterbacks with 13 chosen in the first dozen picks. Of the 8 selected after the 12th pick only Chad Pennington made the Pro Bowl and directed his team to the post season. Of the 13 quarterbacks selected in the first dozen picks, six have made the Pro Bowl and directed their teams to the post season. Quinn was taken later in the first but it could be argued Phil was willing to take him in the first dozen picks which holds the highest successful track record of recent first round QBs.

QB Brady Quinn, "The only thing I know is that it seems like there's a little small window and all I need is a chance. It doesn't matter how big it is, just give me a chance and I'm going to try to take advantage of it." ...