Wilbon calling Vince Young a "punk" (1 Viewer)

[waylander]

Did anyone think he was a bit overboard on that?

VY apparently in regards to the McNabb thing said "It's not my fight to fight" and Wilbon went off, however I think he was talking about all of McNabbs attention/media circus not that he wasn't grateful for the road that previous black QB's have paved.

 

[Skeetcher]

Did anyone think he was a bit overboard on that?

VY apparently in regards to the McNabb thing said "It's not my fight to fight" and Wilbon went off, however I think he was talking about all of McNabbs attention/media circus not that he wasn't grateful for the road that previous black QB's have paved.

For others like myself who had no idea what the OP was talking about...http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/09/20/...bed-young-punk/

 

[Tom Servo]

Props to VY for not jumping in the mud. Sometimes the best thing to do is to say nothing.

 

[TxBuckeye]

Did anyone think he was a bit overboard on that?

No, I think it was outright moronic. What an idiot.

 

[PahtyTom]

Wilbon should know not to mess with Superman.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

Vince has really impressed me the way he handled the McNabb situations recently. I seriously do not understand why Wilbon was going overboard on this one. Why not go off on McNair for choosing not to comment? Young seems focused on helping his team get to the playoffs. He has a good head on his shoulders and seems to be a great leader ... as opposed to the shorthorn alumnus QB in the NFL

 

[-OZ-]

"Everybody is going to have their opinions and this and that, but that is not my fight to fight. Right now over here with the Tennessee Titans, we are trying to go to the playoffs and we can't worry about all the other mess going on.''

Self-absorbed? The "punk" is leading his team, more concerned about his team than some overanalyzed media circus, his actions have spoked very loudly that he is a team-first player and leader. If VY is self-absorbed, I wish we had more self-absorbed people in this world. I am a huge fan of VY, so I'll take everything he says in the best light, but even if I hated the kid, I'd disagree with Wilbon here.

 

[JohnnyU]

"When the going gets tough, the tough plays the race card".

 

[menobrown]

I don't know when it happened but sometime ago Wilbon stopped being good at this job and started focusing on name dropping and telling us who his friends are. Mcnabb was one of the biggest names he loves to drop, this should not really be to surprising.

 

[Phurfur]

Did anyone think he was a bit overboard on that?VY apparently in regards to the McNabb thing said "It's not my fight to fight" and Wilbon went off, however I think he was talking about all of McNabbs attention/media circus not that he wasn't grateful for the road that previous black QB's have paved.

VY will win a SB some day. I really think he understands what it takes and he has the talent.

 

[FBGPoker]

Vince Young is a winner, he really doesn't have anything in common with McNabb, why would he comment on anything related to him.

 

[dotman]

I like McNabb but Wilbon has man love for him. And he sounds like an idiot here.

 

[Steeler07]

There are some serious Vince Young lovers here. To me he is Michael Vick all over again (minus the career ending felony).

 

[Mr. Black]

Please lock this thread now, I'm so sick of hearing about this racist crap and black qb's.

 

[-OZ-]

There are some serious Vince Young lovers here.

Guilty as charged. What's not to like? VY has become my favorite player, the only one that's close is LT.

To me he is Michael Vick all over again (minus the career ending felony).

How do you figure?

Please lock this thread now, I'm so sick of hearing about this racist crap and black qb's.

Ironic, that seems to be VY's sentiment as well.

 

[fatness]

I heard what McNabb had to say. I thought he picked a terrible time to talk about it, it sounded like excuse-making after a loss.

I read what Vince Young had to say. He wanted to focus on his team and not on a hotbutton topic.

I heard what Jason Campbell had to say. He said he went through that kind of scrutiny awhile back, but not any more, and sounded level and calm about it all.

The 2 young guys seem more like leaders than the older guy in this case.

As for Wilbon. he goes off about silly things and has done it for years. He's personable, but his depth of thought isn't something you can drown in, and he tends to overreact to everything.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Vince Young, Tiger Woods and Michael Jordan understand that living in the past is a waste of time.

Donovan McNabb sounds like an old man when he talks now.

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

Please lock this thread now, I'm so sick of hearing about this racist crap and black qb's.

Also, I'm sick of reading about Cedric Benson. Could you please lock all Benson threads?

 

[Afro Samurai]

There are some serious Vince Young lovers here. To me he is Michael Vick all over again (minus the career ending felony).

Based on????I'm REALLY curious to hear your answer this.

 

[Chaka]

Wilbon is an idiot.

 

[Loan Sharks]

I thought the VY comment was right on, its not his fight. Fights over, what is he supposed to do? Have a march to allow him to sit in the front of the bus?

Did racism exist, sure, does it exist now, sure to a lesser extent. Is the sports arena perhaps the least racist segments of society, I think so.

I am part of a 30 something generation that had integrated sports and schools black kids were my teammates and schoolmates, there was no back of the bus, no marchs no Martin Luther King shooting, the Cosby show and black people on tv, supreme court judges all in my adult lifetime. Vince young is more than ten years younger than me.

I was watching this when Wilbon went off and was shocked. 20 year old kid says McNabbs comments on percieved racism is not his fight and he is a "direspectful punk" I thought the next words out of his mouth were gonna be Uncle tom or sellout. Very ugly.

Wilbons outburst has even more of a "Huh" factor than the McNabb comments.

 

[The Shizzle]

We can start threads about "bloggers" now?

 

[MOAT]

I know who Vince Young is, but who is Wilbon? Does he play for the Titans too? I did a player search and didn't find him. Weird, the way he talks he must be really good.

Ok, partially serious here. I did have to look up who Wilbon was though. Now I recognize him as TK's side-kick on PTI. That is the only place I know him from.

IMO...Wilbon is the typical self-absorbed pompous ***hole "sports reporter" who is trying to create controversy for his own promotion. He's Al Sharpton on ESPN. He is ESPN's "Lowest Common Denominator." Funny, his opinion holds little value with me.

 

[Jason Wood]

Wilbon didn't use to play the race card much, the last 18 months or so it seems he's now beginning to use the race card A LOT.

 

[OldMilwaukee]

Who the hell is Wilbon?

 

[Steeler07]

There are some serious Vince Young lovers here. To me he is Michael Vick all over again (minus the career ending felony).

Based on????I'm REALLY curious to hear your answer this.

Vince Young is a QB who throughout college used his athletic ability to scape the pressure and make plays instead of developing quicker reads and release, reading defenses etc. While it evidently works in the college level, it will not win you championships in the NFL.

 

[1huskerfan]

There are some serious Vince Young lovers here. To me he is Michael Vick all over again (minus the career ending felony).

Based on????I'm REALLY curious to hear your answer this.

Vince Young is a QB who throughout college used his athletic ability to scape the pressure and make plays instead of developing quicker reads and release, reading defenses etc. While it evidently works in the college level, it will not win you championships in the NFL.

While guys like David Carr and Rex Grossman developed those attributes in college and have become great NFL QBs.

 

[BigJim®]

Wilbon is an idiot.

I honestly can't recall a national media person taking a comment so ridiculously out of context. Completely absurd.

 

[-OZ-]

There are some serious Vince Young lovers here. To me he is Michael Vick all over again (minus the career ending felony).

Based on????I'm REALLY curious to hear your answer this.

Vince Young is a QB who throughout college used his athletic ability to scape the pressure and make plays instead of developing quicker reads and release, reading defenses etc. While it evidently works in the college level, it will not win you championships in the NFL.

Vick and VY are the only two QBs to use their athleticism to their advantage? Even IF VY were to develop the same gameplan as Vick, Wilbon's comments had nothing to do with his game, everything to do with his character - which is impeccable, and FAR from Vick.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Wilbon didn't use to play the race card much, the last 18 months or so it seems he's now beginning to use the race card A LOT.

I have noticed that, too. I was shocked when I saw him rail like that on Vince Young on PTI today. Young deserves kudos for not wanting to jump into that mess.

 

[Rushmore]

Good for Vince. The Vick analogy above was moronic.

 

[dickey moe]

Who the hell is Wilbon?

A fat black sports commentator, but that's not important right now.

 

[Addai's Adidas]

McNabb was put through the race card wringer a few years ago. His perspective is understandably different than most.

 

[Chaka]

McNabb was put through the race card wringer a few years ago. His perspective is understandably different than most.

Are you referring to the exact same race card wringer that he just put himself into?He all but agreed with everything Rush said. At the moment McNabb isn't much better than Wilbon in my book.

 

[guderian]

I'm sick of millionaires whining about racism.

 

[Da Guru]

Props to VY for not jumping in the mud. Sometimes the best thing to do is to say nothing.

How true..

 

[FFdork]

1. Wilbon has to respond to about 30 issues per half hour show, so he's going to have some bad takes. Plus it's entertainment, so you have to expect some theatrics and hyperbole. BTW, it's also damn good entertainment in this dork's opinion. If you want really deep, thoughtful material, read a book.

2. There's not one person here that can understand why a black sports writer of Wilbon's age would like to see younger quarterbacks who happen to be black express a little knowledge and appreciation of those that have paved the way for them? Using the word "punk" is PTI schtick, but I didn't really see a big issue with what he said after that.

 

[benm3218]

Wilbon is an IDIOT. I guess if you don't jump on the black QB's are oppressed band wagon then your a punk.

What a idiot. Sick of McNabb and now sick of Wilbon.

 

[maddawg2020]

it really sounded like Vince Young said, "hey McNabb, QB's get ripped and if you cant handle it go play another position." I like Wilbon but I have to say I disagree with his assessment of Young. I just read a clip from PFT that I like and agree with:

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VINCE YOUNG CHIMES IN ON McNABB MESS

Another of the five other African-American starting quarterbacks in the NFL has chimed in on Donovan McNabb's recent comments regarding the differences in criticism of white quarterbacks and black ones.

And, whether Titans quarterback Vince Young intended it or not, we get the feeling that he's telling McNabb to quit whining.

"I really feel like myself, black or white quarterbacks, we all go through something because that is the life of a quarterback,'' Young said Wednesday, according to the Nashville Tennessean. "You have to be able to handle all the pressure and you have to be able to handle the losses and you have to be able to handle the media saying this about you.

"If you can't handle it, then you have to get off that position and go play something else."

Possible translation: "Donovan, you're not handling the pressure very well. Maybe you should be a tight end."

 

[Reservoir Dog]

I've always respected McNabb, but I thought his recent comments were kinda strange. In this day and age, do many people really consider a players color when critiquing? I don't see it. Also, I think Wilbon is way off base here.

 

[BassNBrew]

Who the hell is Wilbon?

A black version of Lhucks, but that's not important right now.

 

[Morton Muffley]

1. Wilbon has to respond to about 30 issues per half hour show, so he's going to have some bad takes. Plus it's entertainment, so you have to expect some theatrics and hyperbole. BTW, it's also damn good entertainment in this dork's opinion. If you want really deep, thoughtful material, read a book. 2. There's not one person here that can understand why a black sports writer of Wilbon's age would like to see younger quarterbacks who happen to be black express a little knowledge and appreciation of those that have paved the way for them? Using the word "punk" is PTI schtick, but I didn't really see a big issue with what he said after that.

First, these people are supposed to be journalists. I realize that sports journalism is the lowest for of journalism, but to excuse anything that any of these guys say as "it's just entertainment" is silly.Second, Wilbon was totally out of line in calling VY out on this issue because VY wasn't asked about the history of black quarterbacking, he was asked about McNabb's comments that black QBs face more scrutiny TODAY. Thirdly, Wilbon's calling VY a punk was only slightly more idiotic than his statement that he would always kick to Hester and would never pitch around Bonds (this guy is commenting on sports?)Lastly, here in the Boston area, there is a weekly show called Beat the Press in which local newspaper and television journalists comment on the presses coverage (biases, lack of insight, jumping to conclusions, cliches, etc.) of recent events. As I think about the world of sports journalism today (and my love of the sports reporters) I really think that ESPN should develop a show like Beat the Press to analyze how sports are being covered in the local and national media. Perhaps then some of these nitwits would have to raise their journalistic standards to the same high level they seem to hold their sports figures. After all, sports really IS "just entertainmemnt."

 

[benbadman]

Michael Wilbon is another ESPidiot. The network, and especially the flagship show Sportscenter, has lost respect and traction in the past decade. Sportscenter used to be an informative and entertaining highlight show with box scores after the highlights; now the show is a sad sack of *hit that is a cross between an Oprah episode & a James Blunt song.

As bumper stickers in TN say:

V

The Quarterback.

Vince Young is a leader, a winner. A true franchise QB that will make the necessary plays with his arm & legs to keep his team competitive and in playoff contention every year. The more I watch Vince play & practice, he just has the 'Elway-aura' about him. The sports media and especially in Denver love to talk about each QB as the next John Elway, but the truth of the matter is, his talent was reincarnated in Vince Young. Granted, Young's throwing mechanics have much room for improvement, but if you watch the man play football he plays to win every week. On the field Young commands the respect of his teammates.

Comparing Young to Vick is a red herring analogy. Sure both are athletic speedy QBs, but V is taller, heavier, and more importantly football is his priority; whereas, Vick was concerned partly with marijuana use & keeping it real with his dog-fighting homies from VA. Another thing going for Vince is he doesn't have any ******* children to look after like another QB from the draft of 06.

The man wants to play football and to be a champion. He accomplished that in college, and if he is blessed to be healthy and productive for 10-15 years, I can foresee Vince winning 1-2 Super Bowls as well.

 

[Truman]

Comparing Vick to Young now?

Let me know when Young shows he can rush for 100 yards on any given Sunday or get close to Vick's career passer rating, then we'll talk.

The one similarity I can see at the moment is both give their sides a lot of self belief.

 

[Assani Fisher]

Wilbon is one of the best things ESPN has going for it. I don't agree with his views here, but way too many people are just railing on him here in this thread.

 

[nxmehta]

Wilbon is one of the best things ESPN has going for it. I don't agree with his views here, but way too many people are just railing on him here in this thread.

 

[duaneok66]

Wilbon is one of the best things ESPN has going for it. I don't agree with his views here, but way too many people are just railing on him here in this thread.

that's the problem . . .

 

[duaneok66]

I don't know when it happened but sometime ago Wilbon stopped being good at this job and started focusing on name dropping and telling us who his friends are. Mcnabb was one of the biggest names he loves to drop, this should not really be to surprising.

excellent post . . . and I don't even like Young . . .I used to be a Wilbon fan, but no more . . .

 

[comfortably numb]

I heard what McNabb had to say. I thought he picked a terrible time to talk about it, it sounded like excuse-making after a loss.

I read what Vince Young had to say. He wanted to focus on his team and not on a hotbutton topic.

I heard what Jason Campbell had to say. He said he went through that kind of scrutiny awhile back, but not any more, and sounded level and calm about it all.

The 2 young guys seem more like leaders than the older guy in this case.

As for Wilbon. he goes off about silly things and has done it for years. He's personable, but his depth of thought isn't something you can drown in, and he tends to overreact to everything.

FWIWHBO taped that interview about 3 weeks ago

 

[Tanner9919]

Wilbon didn't use to play the race card much, the last 18 months or so it seems he's now beginning to use the race card A LOT.

that card is played every Sunday morning on `The Sports Reporters` show, ESPN.whether its Wilbon, Stephen A, Saunders, Rhoden, Burwell.Can't get past a sunday,without SOMEONE playing the race card on this show, happens every week.. Wilbon used to be a frequent guest before PTI..