Wildcard playoff spots H2H OR Most Points POLL (1 Viewer)

[GregR_2]

BTW All-play is interesting but I would have to calculate that myself. Could be a pain but something I might consider introducing next year.

It's pretty easy to do in excel. Assuming you have a report of weekly scores, just dump them into excel in this form:..........A............B.............C...........D..............E1 ... Team1 ... week1 ... week2 ... week3 ... week4 (etc)2 ... Team2 ... week1 ... week2 ... week3 ... week4 3 ... (etc)...14... Team1 ... formula ... formula ...15... Team2 ... formula ... formula ...In the formula part in rows 14 and down you have formulas for each team that will give you the number of all play wins that week. Here's one for a 12 team league and the format I showed: =12-RANK(B1,B$1:B$12) Where 12 means it is a 12 team league, and B1 to B12 are the cells where the league's week 1 scores are at. The $ is there so you can copy and paste the formula and it will keep the range of weekly scores correct when you do it.Just copy the formula to all teams for all weeks and you have a list of wins for each team by week. Sum them up and you get the total # of wins from the all play record. Subtract the total number of games to get the number of losses.ETA: Or, you could just switch to MFL where they put this in their power rank report.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

But suppose theres a 3 team tie between Team A, B, and C. Team A played team C twice and played team B once. Team B played Team C once. Say Team A is 2-1 vs B&C, team B is 1-1 vs A&C, and team C is 1-2 vs A&B. Who gets in? If you say team A should get in how is that any fair to team B? Its not team Bs fault he didnt have an extra game scheduled to get that extra win. If you say Team C gets eliminated first and then the tiebreaker is between A&B how is that fair to team C? Perhaps Team B wouldve lost with that extra game.

Wow you really overcomplicated this. You take every tiebreak one team at a time. Team A played team B twice

Team A played team C one

Team B played team C once

If A and B split it goes to total points for in those two games. Lets say team A wins that.

If team C beat team A but lost to team B then A>B, C>A, B>C. That goes to the next tiebreaker which is total points for.

If there is any other scenarios the tiebreakers play out. You make things too complicated, this isn't operating the Space Shuttle.

I was just trying to answer NTs question which is the exact scenario hes trying to deal. LMAO at overcomplicating things when this is exactly what hes dealing with.Oh so your saying it ultimately goes to points?

You weren't answering his question you are confusing the issue. Sounds to me like you dropped HTH play because you cant figure out the tiebreakers. Happens to a lot of people. Nigel>Pm me or post here the details of the tiebreak and I'll help you out.

 

[GregR_2]

But suppose theres a 3 team tie between Team A, B, and C. Team A played team C twice and played team B once. Team B played Team C once. Say Team A is 2-1 vs B&C, team B is 1-1 vs A&C, and team C is 1-2 vs A&B. Who gets in? If you say team A should get in how is that any fair to team B? Its not team Bs fault he didnt have an extra game scheduled to get that extra win. If you say Team C gets eliminated first and then the tiebreaker is between A&B how is that fair to team C? Perhaps Team B wouldve lost with that extra game.

Wow you really overcomplicated this. You take every tiebreak one team at a time. Team A played team B twice

Team A played team C one

Team B played team C once

If A and B split it goes to total points for in those two games. Lets say team A wins that.

If team C beat team A but lost to team B then A>B, C>A, B>C. That goes to the next tiebreaker which is total points for.

If there is any other scenarios the tiebreakers play out. You make things too complicated, this isn't operating the Space Shuttle.

I was just trying to answer NTs question which is the exact scenario hes trying to deal. LMAO at overcomplicating things when this is exactly what hes dealing with.Oh so your saying it ultimately goes to points?

You weren't answering his question you are confusing the issue. Sounds to me like you dropped HTH play because you cant figure out the tiebreakers. Happens to a lot of people. Nigel>Pm me or post here the details of the tiebreak and I'll help you out.

The NFL has 2 different head to head tie break methods and neither works like that. If it's a division tiebreak and 3 teams are tied, it's best win-loss percentage in all head to head games. Since it is in division they have the same number of games so that isn't an issue.If it is a non-division tiebreak, and 3 teams make it to the head to head part, the head to head is only applied if one team has a clean win sweep of all tied clubs they win the whole tiebreak, or if one team has been swept by all tied clubs just that club would be eliminated.

http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakingprocedures

 

[Doctor Detroit]

But suppose theres a 3 team tie between Team A, B, and C. Team A played team C twice and played team B once. Team B played Team C once. Say Team A is 2-1 vs B&C, team B is 1-1 vs A&C, and team C is 1-2 vs A&B. Who gets in? If you say team A should get in how is that any fair to team B? Its not team Bs fault he didnt have an extra game scheduled to get that extra win. If you say Team C gets eliminated first and then the tiebreaker is between A&B how is that fair to team C? Perhaps Team B wouldve lost with that extra game.

Wow you really overcomplicated this. You take every tiebreak one team at a time. Team A played team B twice

Team A played team C one

Team B played team C once

If A and B split it goes to total points for in those two games. Lets say team A wins that.

If team C beat team A but lost to team B then A>B, C>A, B>C. That goes to the next tiebreaker which is total points for.

If there is any other scenarios the tiebreakers play out. You make things too complicated, this isn't operating the Space Shuttle.

I was just trying to answer NTs question which is the exact scenario hes trying to deal. LMAO at overcomplicating things when this is exactly what hes dealing with.Oh so your saying it ultimately goes to points?

You weren't answering his question you are confusing the issue. Sounds to me like you dropped HTH play because you cant figure out the tiebreakers. Happens to a lot of people. Nigel>Pm me or post here the details of the tiebreak and I'll help you out.

The NFL has 2 different head to head tie break methods and neither works like that. If it's a division tiebreak and 3 teams are tied, it's best win-loss percentage in all head to head games. Since it is in division they have the same number of games so that isn't an issue.If it is a non-division tiebreak, and 3 teams make it to the head to head part, the head to head is only applied if one team has a clean win sweep of all tied clubs they win the whole tiebreak, or if one team has been swept by all tied clubs just that club would be eliminated.

http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakingprocedures

It's actually about the same thing. The only difference is the point differential in head to head games if the teams played twice and split. Also conference record comes into play in NFL tiebreakers if the teams haven't played but if they have played, head to head is the first tiebreaker.

 

[Squinting Cyclops]

Head to head record is meaningless in fantasy football... it's random luck.

Then just do a rotoleague. The whole reason of head to head match-ups is make a fantasy football league like the real thing where PF mean nothing. If you think head to head results are "random luck" then stop doing it and go to roto. Otherwise the correct answer here is H2H results.

This kind of argument is really simplifying things to the point of being an inappropriate argument.If you want to debate rotoleague vs head to head league, the question would be whether a H2H league's season-total record is a valid enough sampling of a team's strength vs the rest of the league to be used to seed playoffs. That would be a valid discussion to have. As for an answer, I think most people would agree a full season of H2H is a reasonably valid sampling, though far from a perfect one. And some may wish to go with another format, roto or double headers, etc, to increase the accuracy of the H2H results. But that (a season's worth of H2H samples) isn't what we're talking about here. We're talking about whether a SINGLE H2H game is a good reflection of those 2 team's strength vs each other. Edit to add: To put this another way, let's say we're talking about rolls of a dice. Your argument amounts to saying, "If you don't think a single roll of a dice is an accurate way to approximate the value of the dice, then you also must say that 12 rolls of the dice isn't accurate either." Clearly that isn't the case. As the number of tests goes up, the accuracy goes up. If you want to argue 12 rolls isn't enough either, you can do that. But just because 1 isn't accurate enough doesn't have any bearing on whether 12 is accurate enough.In the NFL, the scores of the two teams playing the games are dependent variables. The Eagles play a role in what the Patriots scored, and vice versa. In fantasy that isn't the case at all. Just because those two teams are paired up that week doesn't change anything about what they each score. And the smaller sample size makes it a lot less likely to be reflective of the team's strengths.Just because a single H2H game may not be a good enough reflection of a team strength doesn't mean that a full season of H2H games isn't a good reflection of that team strength. There isn't a need to turn this into an all or nothing argument and the reasoning for saying so isn't appropriate to the situation.I think total points is the better method because of the reasons I mentioned. Or all-play record, which is probably even better than total points, but not all sites give you access to that stat.

excellent analysis!

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Anyway in HTH leagues there are a lot of ways to do tiebreakers depending on your format. I think divisions are best because otherwise you would just go roto or "all-play" which is essentially roto but with HTH games throughout. 12 team leagues should be split in three divisions for optimum scheduling. This way you play each team in your division twice, and all but one of the other teams once in a 13 week season or all teams in a 14 week season. In a ten team league with two divisions you play each team in your division twice, and each of the teams in the other division once. the division winners get the top two or three seeds regardless of record. The tiebreaker in the leagues I've been in are mostly the same and I can never remember any conflict. the key is to make the tiebreakers a votable league issue and not make them all that complicated.

*Tiebreakers -First tiebreaker is Head to head points for -Second tiebreaker is total points for for playoff spot and division record for division title. The third tiebreaker for division title is toal points for -If teams are still tied the tiebreaker goes to a coin flip by the commish with a third party witness with at least one other league member present. -In the event of a three way tie: -If for the division the tiebreaker is division record -If it is for playoff seeding and not the division title then all head to head games will be considered first. If team A has a tiebreak over both B and C then team A will get the higher seed. Any other scenario will go to total points for the season. If two or more teams are still tied then it goes to a coin flip.

So in this league if there is a three way tie for a division it goes to head to head first. If A beat B twice and split with C then you look at total points in the two games or point differential. If A wins that, they won the division. If not then C is in the mix. If C split with B then it goes to PF in the two games they played. If B wins you have a three way tie and it goes to division record and then to total points for if they are still tied. Wildcard works the same way except the division record variable is removed. The only wrench in this whole process is if there are three wildcard teams and two of them did not play in the regular season which is very possible. So A played B and C but B and C never played. If A beat both B and C, then A advances. If they split it goes to points. If B and C both beat A, A is gone and B and C go to TPF tiebreaker. Some may have a different method but this one works well in leagues where you have people who all know each other because head to head match-ups mean much more. If that's not the case, all-play might be a better way to go to avoid arguments and conflict.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Head to head record is meaningless in fantasy football... it's random luck.

Then just do a rotoleague. The whole reason of head to head match-ups is make a fantasy football league like the real thing where PF mean nothing. If you think head to head results are "random luck" then stop doing it and go to roto. Otherwise the correct answer here is H2H results.

This kind of argument is really simplifying things to the point of being an inappropriate argument.If you want to debate rotoleague vs head to head league, the question would be whether a H2H league's season-total record is a valid enough sampling of a team's strength vs the rest of the league to be used to seed playoffs. That would be a valid discussion to have. As for an answer, I think most people would agree a full season of H2H is a reasonably valid sampling, though far from a perfect one. And some may wish to go with another format, roto or double headers, etc, to increase the accuracy of the H2H results. But that (a season's worth of H2H samples) isn't what we're talking about here. We're talking about whether a SINGLE H2H game is a good reflection of those 2 team's strength vs each other. Edit to add: To put this another way, let's say we're talking about rolls of a dice. Your argument amounts to saying, "If you don't think a single roll of a dice is an accurate way to approximate the value of the dice, then you also must say that 12 rolls of the dice isn't accurate either." Clearly that isn't the case. As the number of tests goes up, the accuracy goes up. If you want to argue 12 rolls isn't enough either, you can do that. But just because 1 isn't accurate enough doesn't have any bearing on whether 12 is accurate enough.In the NFL, the scores of the two teams playing the games are dependent variables. The Eagles play a role in what the Patriots scored, and vice versa. In fantasy that isn't the case at all. Just because those two teams are paired up that week doesn't change anything about what they each score. And the smaller sample size makes it a lot less likely to be reflective of the team's strengths.Just because a single H2H game may not be a good enough reflection of a team strength doesn't mean that a full season of H2H games isn't a good reflection of that team strength. There isn't a need to turn this into an all or nothing argument and the reasoning for saying so isn't appropriate to the situation.I think total points is the better method because of the reasons I mentioned. Or all-play record, which is probably even better than total points, but not all sites give you access to that stat.

excellent analysis!

Translation of that post: Play roto if you think HTH games don't mean anything in the end.

Just because a single H2H game may not be a good enough reflection of a team strength doesn't mean that a full season of H2H games isn't a good reflection of that team strength. There isn't a need to turn this into an all or nothing argument and the reasoning for saying so isn't appropriate to the situation.

So if you agree with this there is no sense in playing HTH games. It's like taking a bath with a bathing suit on.

 

[GregR_2]

Head to head record is meaningless in fantasy football... it's random luck.

Then just do a rotoleague. The whole reason of head to head match-ups is make a fantasy football league like the real thing where PF mean nothing. If you think head to head results are "random luck" then stop doing it and go to roto. Otherwise the correct answer here is H2H results.

This kind of argument is really simplifying things to the point of being an inappropriate argument.If you want to debate rotoleague vs head to head league, the question would be whether a H2H league's season-total record is a valid enough sampling of a team's strength vs the rest of the league to be used to seed playoffs. That would be a valid discussion to have. As for an answer, I think most people would agree a full season of H2H is a reasonably valid sampling, though far from a perfect one. And some may wish to go with another format, roto or double headers, etc, to increase the accuracy of the H2H results. But that (a season's worth of H2H samples) isn't what we're talking about here. We're talking about whether a SINGLE H2H game is a good reflection of those 2 team's strength vs each other. Edit to add: To put this another way, let's say we're talking about rolls of a dice. Your argument amounts to saying, "If you don't think a single roll of a dice is an accurate way to approximate the value of the dice, then you also must say that 12 rolls of the dice isn't accurate either." Clearly that isn't the case. As the number of tests goes up, the accuracy goes up. If you want to argue 12 rolls isn't enough either, you can do that. But just because 1 isn't accurate enough doesn't have any bearing on whether 12 is accurate enough.In the NFL, the scores of the two teams playing the games are dependent variables. The Eagles play a role in what the Patriots scored, and vice versa. In fantasy that isn't the case at all. Just because those two teams are paired up that week doesn't change anything about what they each score. And the smaller sample size makes it a lot less likely to be reflective of the team's strengths.Just because a single H2H game may not be a good enough reflection of a team strength doesn't mean that a full season of H2H games isn't a good reflection of that team strength. There isn't a need to turn this into an all or nothing argument and the reasoning for saying so isn't appropriate to the situation.I think total points is the better method because of the reasons I mentioned. Or all-play record, which is probably even better than total points, but not all sites give you access to that stat.

excellent analysis!

Translation of that post: Play roto if you think HTH games don't mean anything in the end.

Just because a single H2H game may not be a good enough reflection of a team strength doesn't mean that a full season of H2H games isn't a good reflection of that team strength. There isn't a need to turn this into an all or nothing argument and the reasoning for saying so isn't appropriate to the situation.

So if you agree with this there is no sense in playing HTH games. It's like taking a bath with a bathing suit on.

Doctor Detroit = :whoosh:No, the point of the post is that a single sample (e.g. H2H as a tiebreak) can be a poor reflection of team strength at the same time that a larger number of the same H2H samples (e.g. H2H for a season against all teams) can be a decent reflection of team strength.There's no logical reason to think that because H2H doesn't make a good individual team tiebreak, that it isn't worth using over the course of a season. You just look for a better tiebreak.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Head to head record is meaningless in fantasy football... it's random luck.

Then just do a rotoleague. The whole reason of head to head match-ups is make a fantasy football league like the real thing where PF mean nothing. If you think head to head results are "random luck" then stop doing it and go to roto. Otherwise the correct answer here is H2H results.

This kind of argument is really simplifying things to the point of being an inappropriate argument.If you want to debate rotoleague vs head to head league, the question would be whether a H2H league's season-total record is a valid enough sampling of a team's strength vs the rest of the league to be used to seed playoffs. That would be a valid discussion to have. As for an answer, I think most people would agree a full season of H2H is a reasonably valid sampling, though far from a perfect one. And some may wish to go with another format, roto or double headers, etc, to increase the accuracy of the H2H results. But that (a season's worth of H2H samples) isn't what we're talking about here. We're talking about whether a SINGLE H2H game is a good reflection of those 2 team's strength vs each other. Edit to add: To put this another way, let's say we're talking about rolls of a dice. Your argument amounts to saying, "If you don't think a single roll of a dice is an accurate way to approximate the value of the dice, then you also must say that 12 rolls of the dice isn't accurate either." Clearly that isn't the case. As the number of tests goes up, the accuracy goes up. If you want to argue 12 rolls isn't enough either, you can do that. But just because 1 isn't accurate enough doesn't have any bearing on whether 12 is accurate enough.In the NFL, the scores of the two teams playing the games are dependent variables. The Eagles play a role in what the Patriots scored, and vice versa. In fantasy that isn't the case at all. Just because those two teams are paired up that week doesn't change anything about what they each score. And the smaller sample size makes it a lot less likely to be reflective of the team's strengths.Just because a single H2H game may not be a good enough reflection of a team strength doesn't mean that a full season of H2H games isn't a good reflection of that team strength. There isn't a need to turn this into an all or nothing argument and the reasoning for saying so isn't appropriate to the situation.I think total points is the better method because of the reasons I mentioned. Or all-play record, which is probably even better than total points, but not all sites give you access to that stat.

excellent analysis!

Translation of that post: Play roto if you think HTH games don't mean anything in the end.

Just because a single H2H game may not be a good enough reflection of a team strength doesn't mean that a full season of H2H games isn't a good reflection of that team strength. There isn't a need to turn this into an all or nothing argument and the reasoning for saying so isn't appropriate to the situation.

So if you agree with this there is no sense in playing HTH games. It's like taking a bath with a bathing suit on.

Doctor Detroit = :whoosh:No, the point of the post is that a single sample (e.g. H2H as a tiebreak) can be a poor reflection of team strength at the same time that a larger number of the same H2H samples (e.g. H2H for a season against all teams) can be a decent reflection of team strength.There's no logical reason to think that because H2H doesn't make a good individual team tiebreak, that it isn't worth using over the course of a season. You just look for a better tiebreak.

I think you make a good argument, I'm just not agreeing.

 

[shadyridr]

BTW All-play is interesting but I would have to calculate that myself. Could be a pain but something I might consider introducing next year.

It's pretty easy to do in excel. Assuming you have a report of weekly scores, just dump them into excel in this form:..........A............B.............C...........D..............E1 ... Team1 ... week1 ... week2 ... week3 ... week4 (etc)2 ... Team2 ... week1 ... week2 ... week3 ... week4 3 ... (etc)...14... Team1 ... formula ... formula ...15... Team2 ... formula ... formula ...In the formula part in rows 14 and down you have formulas for each team that will give you the number of all play wins that week. Here's one for a 12 team league and the format I showed: =12-RANK(B1,B$1:B$12) Where 12 means it is a 12 team league, and B1 to B12 are the cells where the league's week 1 scores are at. The $ is there so you can copy and paste the formula and it will keep the range of weekly scores correct when you do it.Just copy the formula to all teams for all weeks and you have a list of wins for each team by week. Sum them up and you get the total # of wins from the all play record. Subtract the total number of games to get the number of losses.ETA: Or, you could just switch to MFL where they put this in their power rank report.

Will try this when I get home. Im curious as to the results. Im gonna assume they come out close to the total points rankings.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

same as nfl...The Tie Breaker1. Division Record2. Head-to-Head record (if applicable)3. Record vs. common opponents4. Total points scored5. Coin-flip

What does "if applicable" mean? If you do this the same as the NFL, then it's always applicable even when three teams are involved.

huh? sometimes teams won't play each other so H2H may not be applicable

I have yet to see a fantasy league where teams don't play each other at least once. Of course the actual NFL schedule is different.

In my 12 team league we have 3 divisions and 13 weeks of regular season games. We play division opponents twice which leaves 7 games left between 8 opponents. You do the math.

that's why you should play a DH in week 11 after the byes

 

[GregR_2]

BTW All-play is interesting but I would have to calculate that myself. Could be a pain but something I might consider introducing next year.

It's pretty easy to do in excel. Assuming you have a report of weekly scores, just dump them into excel in this form:..........A............B.............C...........D..............E1 ... Team1 ... week1 ... week2 ... week3 ... week4 (etc)2 ... Team2 ... week1 ... week2 ... week3 ... week4 3 ... (etc)...14... Team1 ... formula ... formula ...15... Team2 ... formula ... formula ...In the formula part in rows 14 and down you have formulas for each team that will give you the number of all play wins that week. Here's one for a 12 team league and the format I showed: =12-RANK(B1,B$1:B$12) Where 12 means it is a 12 team league, and B1 to B12 are the cells where the league's week 1 scores are at. The $ is there so you can copy and paste the formula and it will keep the range of weekly scores correct when you do it.Just copy the formula to all teams for all weeks and you have a list of wins for each team by week. Sum them up and you get the total # of wins from the all play record. Subtract the total number of games to get the number of losses.ETA: Or, you could just switch to MFL where they put this in their power rank report.

Will try this when I get home. Im curious as to the results. Im gonna assume they come out close to the total points rankings.

They won't necessarily be exactly the same, but most of the time would be close. In a sport with weekly results I'd argue the all-play record is the better measure. I just checked my league, and the results are the same except for the 3rd and 4th place teams are flip-flopped. The team that is 4th in total points was a lot more consistent and has a better all play, while the 3rd place points team may have outscored teams by larger margins in the weeks he won, but also has weeks he came in close to last in the league.

 

[GregR_2]

same as nfl...The Tie Breaker1. Division Record2. Head-to-Head record (if applicable)3. Record vs. common opponents4. Total points scored5. Coin-flip

What does "if applicable" mean? If you do this the same as the NFL, then it's always applicable even when three teams are involved.

huh? sometimes teams won't play each other so H2H may not be applicable

I have yet to see a fantasy league where teams don't play each other at least once. Of course the actual NFL schedule is different.

In my 12 team league we have 3 divisions and 13 weeks of regular season games. We play division opponents twice which leaves 7 games left between 8 opponents. You do the math.

that's why you should play a DH in week 11 after the byes

Another decent format I like for 3 divisions and 12 teams is to play division triple-headers weeks 1,2, 11 and 12, and out of division double-headers weeks 3-10. You get 4 games against each division team, 2 games against each out of division team, and all of your in division games are non-bye weeks. Start the playoffs week 13 so you can have a 6 team playoff that ends week 15 before NFL players on playoff-bound teams are benched. Week 16 we do as a pro bowl between the 3 divisions.The increased number of games played lessens some of the scheduling luck, and there is generally some suspense the last 2 weeks with there being 6 games to decide things.

 

[shadyridr]

same as nfl...The Tie Breaker1. Division Record2. Head-to-Head record (if applicable)3. Record vs. common opponents4. Total points scored5. Coin-flip

What does "if applicable" mean? If you do this the same as the NFL, then it's always applicable even when three teams are involved.

huh? sometimes teams won't play each other so H2H may not be applicable

I have yet to see a fantasy league where teams don't play each other at least once. Of course the actual NFL schedule is different.

In my 12 team league we have 3 divisions and 13 weeks of regular season games. We play division opponents twice which leaves 7 games left between 8 opponents. You do the math.

that's why you should play a DH in week 11 after the byes

Not a big fan of doubleheaders. Id rather one team just not play another team.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Total points is not the best indicator of who has the best team, it is only an indicator of who started the highest scoring team on a few given weeks.

Before you slam what I just wrote, I imagine there are some teams with Brady who very well may be towards the top in total points, but by no means have the best overall team.

In many leagues, the guys we have on the bench and our depth, make us the better overall team, even though a team may have a Brady or an LT from last year and still score a bunch. Being able to beat teams week in and week out with depth to cover bye weeks and injuries is also a good indication of a better "overall" team.

edit to add: I do not think either is perfect, but with head to head there is no arguement.....I played you already and I beat you.........

 

[Stinkin Ref]

If the league is an H2H league, H2H is the first tiebreaker. I don't see a problem with it. In fact, I'd object to Total Points being first, because on Draft Day I don't choose a team that scores the most points, I choose a team that will beat my opponents a majority of the time. There is a strategic difference. I may draft with a slant toward managing stud byes for when I face weaker opponents. In H2H I'm much, much more likely to use QBBC and DTBC than I am in Total Points leagues... I don't get a bonus for "overkill" on my opponents, I want to do just enough to win each week and save draft value.

 

[John Mamula]

in one league i actually have the wild card not determined by record at all but by total points...sort of a derivation of wcoff.

3 division winners = 3 playoff spots based on record.

1 wild card = team with the next highest point total regardless of record.

it keeps a lot more people in it.

but in the league where it is all record, it is determined by HTH 1st, then total points.

 

[ckalltheway]

Money league is H2H, league with friends is total points.

Only thing I don't like about the money league, being in 1st place, is that there are no first round byes for division winners and 4 out of 6 teams make it to the playoffs (8 out of 12 teams.)

The other league is much more competitive with only 6 out of 14 teams making the playoffs and the top 2 teams get a first round bye.

 

[Yenrub]

We seem to have this discussion almost every year in my league, no one can really agree on what the “best team” really means.

Is it the team that scores the most points? Is the team that scores 100 points one week then 25 points the next really better than the team that puts up 50 every week?

 

[Stinkin Ref]

We seem to have this discussion almost every year in my league, no one can really agree on what the “best team” really means.Is it the team that scores the most points? Is the team that scores 100 points one week then 25 points the next really better than the team that puts up 50 every week?

exactly if it is a head to head league, then the head to head games need to mean something.....it is not fair to say "well the head to head games count and apply for who wins the divisions, get byes, etc (top 3 teams in 12 team leagues)..... but they do not apply to the wild card teams (bottom 3 teams making playoffs)

 

[Liquid Tension]

what if three teams have the same record?

Yeah. Do you do head-to-head as the first tie-breaker, then? What if two teams have played each other more than once or one team hasn't played both of the other teams? If one team has beaten both of the other teams, does this team advance and then, a tie-breaker is done between the remaining two teams? Or, do you do the three team tie-break all at once? Our league is in a scuffle about this right now and it's giving me a huge fantasy headache.

-In the event of a three way tie: -If for the division the tiebreaker is division record -If it is for playoff seeding and not the division title then all head to head games will be considered first. If team A has a tiebreak over both B and C then team A will get the higher seed. Any other scenario will go to total points for the season. If two or more teams are still tied then it goes to a coin flip.

But suppose theres a 3 team tie between Team A, B, and C. Team A played team C twice and played team B once. Team B played Team C once. Say Team A is 2-1 vs B&C, team B is 1-1 vs A&C, and team C is 1-2 vs A&B. Who gets in? If you say team A should get in how is that any fair to team B? Its not team Bs fault he didnt have an extra game scheduled to get that extra win. If you say Team C gets eliminated first and then the tiebreaker is between A&B how is that fair to team C? Perhaps Team B wouldve lost with that extra game.

if it is for a tie breaker for a division you would always play everyone in your division twice so the H2h is for a sweep of the series or best record amongst the group. Total points may still be used if there is not a series sweep. Another way to do it would be that if there are more than 2 teams you could use total points as a tie breaker but if two teams are tied h2h would take place. I agree with the poster you said you setup your team for h2h battles and in a league that uses h2h standing the games against that opponent should be the ones that count. I remember me keeping a player that I was going to use in 3 weeks when I played the team in 2nd place (I was in 1st) even though dropping him "now" for a slight upgrade "this" week made sense. But, because it was a non divisional game, I chose not to.

 

[Liquid Tension]

So getting back to the 12 team league with 3 divisions...do you find it better to go with only 4 teams making the playoffs? We have a semi dynasty league (9 keepers). 3 division winners with one WC based on best record (and then h2h and the points). You would play your division twice and then every other team once. or is it better to go with an extra WC and miss a team. I like two WC and I like rewarding the division winners, but something about not playing against another team ruins the latter for me.

I should probably start another thread/poll

 

[GregR_2]

So getting back to the 12 team league with 3 divisions...do you find it better to go with only 4 teams making the playoffs? We have a semi dynasty league (9 keepers). 3 division winners with one WC based on best record (and then h2h and the points). You would play your division twice and then every other team once. or is it better to go with an extra WC and miss a team. I like two WC and I like rewarding the division winners, but something about not playing against another team ruins the latter for me.I should probably start another thread/poll

Personally I don't find either of those options as palatable as other options. I would much rather go with double headers of some sort. I'd even rather have the playoff start a week later, than have only a 4 team playoff or have teams not play everyone else in the league.

 

[Yenrub]

So getting back to the 12 team league with 3 divisions...do you find it better to go with only 4 teams making the playoffs? We have a semi dynasty league (9 keepers). 3 division winners with one WC based on best record (and then h2h and the points). You would play your division twice and then every other team once. or is it better to go with an extra WC and miss a team. I like two WC and I like rewarding the division winners, but something about not playing against another team ruins the latter for me.I should probably start another thread/poll

You could always make one week a double header week, that way you play against everyone.Or if you don't mind a week 17 championship you could extend your regular season one week.My league does the latter but we only have 5 playoff teams. 3 division winners get a bye while the 2 wildcard teams battle it out in week 15.

 

[The Redbeard]

The "best" teams don't always make the playoffs in any sport.

Strength of schedule, food poisoning, a bad flight, snow, condensation on the floor, bad refs, failed marriages, injuries, benching, hold-outs, rivalries, the stretch drive, the early season slump, the rotation of the planets and the curse of Costas all help teams win and lose. If you've played any form of sport, you know that you have stepped onto a field, course, court - and known, not thought, but KNOWN that you are a far superior team... but you lost. Everything went the other teams way, and 9 out of 10 times you played you would win - but you didn't. Something stepped in and made it go the other way. Why should fantasy football be any different?

I am the commish of a H2H league, and I spent 2 hours figuring out all the possibilities of the 5 teams that are fighting for the last 2 spots next week. It is thrilling because they are all still in it - even the team that got "lucky" and played other "better" teams when they were injured, bye riddled, etc. Some have said that Total Points keeps more teams involved, I say that if our tie-breaker for the Wild Card was total points, only 2 teams would still be in the chase - and it wouldn't be close enough for any drama in the final week. And that would take a lot of fun out of the process.

Just my $.02.

 

[Liquid Tension]

So getting back to the 12 team league with 3 divisions...do you find it better to go with only 4 teams making the playoffs? We have a semi dynasty league (9 keepers). 3 division winners with one WC based on best record (and then h2h and the points). You would play your division twice and then every other team once. or is it better to go with an extra WC and miss a team. I like two WC and I like rewarding the division winners, but something about not playing against another team ruins the latter for me.I should probably start another thread/poll

Personally I don't find either of those options as palatable as other options. I would much rather go with double headers of some sort. I'd even rather have the playoff start a week later, than have only a 4 team playoff or have teams not play everyone else in the league.

I have voted for doubleheaders many times and every time it gets shot down almost unanimously. People like to look at the ONE game that they have going; that is the fun of it.

 

[Liquid Tension]

So getting back to the 12 team league with 3 divisions...do you find it better to go with only 4 teams making the playoffs? We have a semi dynasty league (9 keepers). 3 division winners with one WC based on best record (and then h2h and the points). You would play your division twice and then every other team once. or is it better to go with an extra WC and miss a team. I like two WC and I like rewarding the division winners, but something about not playing against another team ruins the latter for me.I should probably start another thread/poll

You could always make one week a double header week, that way you play against everyone.Or if you don't mind a week 17 championship you could extend your regular season one week.My league does the latter but we only have 5 playoff teams. 3 division winners get a bye while the 2 wildcard teams battle it out in week 15.

I would be in favor of one Doubleheader week just so we could add another WC into the mix and give the division winners a bye week. The opposition I have received is people saying what if I have a bad week? I don't like that logic but that is the opposition. I don't like the SB week 17 as too many issues with resting players happens in the most important game of the year.