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Will a female ever play a down in the NFL? (1 Viewer)

Will a female ever play a down in the NFL?

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Something tells me eventually some woman will eventually match the physical prowess of Eric Parker.
But by then, Eric Parker's prowess won't cut it either.I'm sure that today's best female basketball players could have competed and done very well in the NBA of the 1940s. And the best women from 2050 may be able compete and do well in the NBA of today. But the NBA of 2050 will be far ahead of that.
:goodposting: Exactly what I ahd in mind...(Please take what I'm about to post as a joke - nothing intended)... I wouldn't mind coaching and having a femaleDE "on that week of the month" - making sure her husband calls her up before the game to have her "pumped up against the male species" ;)

Imagine the consequences in FF... Now, I won't play Edge, he's going agaisnt Marla and it seems that it's "red time"...

Sorry, had to post it :rolleyes:

 
I'm sure that today's best female basketball players could have competed and done very well in the NBA of the 1940s. And the best women from 2050 may be able compete and do well in the NBA of today. But the NBA of 2050 will be far ahead of that.
You apparently haven't been watching the decline in the fundamental skills in NBA players over the past couple of decades. Hell, a shot from the elbow that used to be money is now a ridiculously outrageous adventure. NBA players have no problem with shooting 60% or worse from the free throw line. The only pick that current NBA players know is that which relieves their nose of a booger.They ought to play the NBA the way Iowa girls' basketball used to play - put 3 players on the O end & 3 players on the D end and not let them cross midcourt of their respectives zones - at least we some some guys attempting to play D then.
I agree with you. I'm one of the very few people I know who often prefers watching women's basketball to men's basketball because, as an overgeneralization, the women often seem more sound in their fundamentals and teamwork. (I've also coached both guys and girls basketball, and generally found that the girls responded a lot better to coaching since they didn't already think they knew everything.)But still, any mens' NCAA team would crush any women's team in a head-to-head contest. They're just much better athletes.

I went to a Big East school and played pickup ball with the members of the womens' basketball team quite often. If I had been a woman, I would have been the best player on the team. But I was barely recruited by any D-III schools.

(I've also played a lot of ball with an NCAA All-American woman who played on the national team in the Goodwill Games before embarking on her WNBA career -- which was interrupted for three years while she attended Duke law school. So I know exactly how good the top women's players are; I'm not speaking from ignorance. They are nowhere near as good as men.)

 
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I'm sure that today's best female basketball players could have competed and done very well in the NBA of the 1940s. And the best women from 2050 may be able compete and do well in the NBA of today. But the NBA of 2050 will be far ahead of that.
You apparently haven't been watching the decline in the fundamental skills in NBA players over the past couple of decades. Hell, a shot from the elbow that used to be money is now a ridiculously outrageous adventure. NBA players have no problem with shooting 60% or worse from the free throw line. The only pick that current NBA players know is that which relieves their nose of a booger.They ought to play the NBA the way Iowa girls' basketball used to play - put 3 players on the O end & 3 players on the D end and not let them cross midcourt of their respectives zones - at least we some some guys attempting to play D then.
I agree with you. I'm one of the very few people I know who often prefers watching women's basketball to men's basketball because, as an overgeneralization, the women often seem more sound in their fundamentals and teamwork. (I've also coached both guys and girls basketball, and generally found that the girls responded a lot better to coaching since they didn't already think they knew everything.)But still, any mens' NCAA team would crush any women's team in a head-to-head contest. They're just much better athletes.

I went to a Big East school and played pickup ball with the members of the womens' basketball team quite often. If I had been a woman, I would have been the best player on the team. But I was barely recruited by any D-III schools.

(I've also played a lot of ball with an NCAA All-American woman who played on the national team in the Goodwill Games before embarking on her WNBA career -- which was interrupted for three years while she attended Duke law school. So I know exactly how good the top women's players are; I'm not speaking from ignorance. They are nowhere near as good as men.)
That has to be Sonja Henning...I'm wondering about your nickname, is that a french connection?... (just asking - don't reply if you don't want to)

 
i voted no before i realized she wouldn't necessarily have to be able to hit anyone or take a hit...see deion sanders :ph34r:

 
IMO, there might be a slim chance at PK provided she had the distance and accuracy required. I'm no physiology expert, but if men biologically can kick farther then the chances go down to next to nothing. I suspect it would have to be a team lacking in attendance and looking to put fannies in the seats.
"Ever" is a long time. But I think it's safe to assume that the NFL is likely to last in something similar to its current form as long as the United States continues as a coherent and dominant entity, and as long as that is the case, no woman will play in the NFL. Look at the barriers just to having a single female kicker in the NCAA; now imagine how many women would have to be kicking in the NCAA for one of them to be considered among the top four or five at the position.

Once the country collapses, football will likely change, and once it's more of a club sport like rounders or croquet, there will probably be opportunities for women. But it's not likely to be called the NFL at that point.
She doesn't have to have the distance and accuracy required. She doesn't have to be one of the top 4 or 5 at her position. There is one woman who has currently played a down in college football, and she was a FOURTH STRING KICKER. The team was up by a ridiculous amount, and was ridiculously close to the end zone, so they just trotted her out to kick as a publicity stunt.From a league where the Arizona Cardinals played a "home game" in Mexico City, I do not think that such a publicity stunt is outside the realm of possibility at all.

 
That has to be Sonja Henning...
Yep. :thumbup: She was also a super nice person in addition to being a great basketball player.
I'm wondering about your nickname, is that a french connection?... (just asking - don't reply if you don't want to)
Oui. My paternal grandfather immigrated from Quebec.
 
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f-ing crazy a women cant compete against the best men in football.

the best women against us...sure.

against the best men, they would be killed. its two completely different genders in a sport that relies on strength.

why are we even asking this?
Again, I think you (a bunch of you) are missing the point. I am not saying "compete", or using the word "equal". I simply stated a female to play a down in the NFL. Shoot, they had a amputee play at the college level. Are you trying to tell me they could find anyone better? What about the autisitic team manager who played the last 4 minutes of the basketball game? What about the mentally handicapped kid who scored a touchdown in the highschool football game?This is not a shot at any of the players, simply that you cannot overlook the "awe" factor when answering this question.

 
And I don't think kickers should count in this debate. Half of them aren't really football players and at times I've question if some of them were men already.
The above post gets :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: Also, as he said -- toughness would not be a factor -- many women are plenty tough.

But the question of physically having the tools to compete - ie, height, size, speed - may be debatable.

Since kickers are out, I would posit that WR would be the next possibility - a tall woman with speed could fill that role.

I agree it will be decades - but since you said ever, it's hard to say no- so I wussed out and null voted. :mellow:

 
f-ing crazy a women cant compete against the best men in football.

the best women against us...sure.

against the best men, they would be killed.  its two completely different genders in a sport that relies on strength.

why are we even asking this?
Again, I think you (a bunch of you) are missing the point. I am not saying "compete", or using the word "equal". I simply stated a female to play a down in the NFL. Shoot, they had a amputee play at the college level. Are you trying to tell me they could find anyone better? What about the autisitic team manager who played the last 4 minutes of the basketball game? What about the mentally handicapped kid who scored a touchdown in the highschool football game?This is not a shot at any of the players, simply that you cannot overlook the "awe" factor when answering this question.
sure anything is possible.doesnt this belong in the free for all forum, by the by

 
In 100 years there are so many changes that occur, social, technological, or what not.

You have no reason to even pretend you have the slightest remote idea of how the world will be like in 100 years.

Even though men have been "stronger" then women for thousands of years, who knows if this will remain true for the next several thousand years. We don't know. Heck, in 100 years from now, babies might be "medically programmed" by their parents who would select everything you can possibly select about your baby, including strength, etc. You have no clue what will happen.

So I have to answer YES to the question since it says "ever". That's pretty long. The only way women will not play in the NFL "ever" is if the game stops existing.

 
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f-ing crazy a women cant compete against the best men in football.

the best women against us...sure.

against the best men, they would be killed.  its two completely different genders in a sport that relies on strength.

why are we even asking this?
Again, I think you (a bunch of you) are missing the point. I am not saying "compete", or using the word "equal". I simply stated a female to play a down in the NFL. Shoot, they had a amputee play at the college level. Are you trying to tell me they could find anyone better? What about the autisitic team manager who played the last 4 minutes of the basketball game? What about the mentally handicapped kid who scored a touchdown in the highschool football game?This is not a shot at any of the players, simply that you cannot overlook the "awe" factor when answering this question.
On one hand, it's hard to believe that the No Fun League would pull this kind of publicity move. Even if as described with the college girl, a team was up or down by a bazillion points and she comes out for the extra point/short FG given the seemingly iron clad godd ole boys network that seeems to dictate the way the rules work, I can't seem them loosening them for this. Ask me again when we see pink footballs or goal post for Breast Cancer awareness week, and I may feel different. On the other hand never is a long time.

 
Again, I think you (a bunch of you) are missing the point.  I am not saying "compete", or using the word "equal".  I simply stated a female to play a down in the NFL.  Shoot, they had a amputee play at the college level.  Are you trying to tell me they could find anyone better?  What about the autisitic team manager who played the last 4 minutes of the basketball game?  What about the mentally handicapped kid who scored a touchdown in the highschool football game?

This is not a shot at any of the players, simply that you cannot overlook the "awe" factor when answering this question.
Well then it's a special question. Of course, anything is possible, especially when you factor in the marketing value. A midget might even play RB for the shear purpose of having the QB throw him for the first down. I apologize that I assumed a certain level of intelligent discussion (i.e. "ever" as in a reasonable timeframe, vs. a time when the Earth will be overrun with aliens and humans will be kept as pets and for food.) Since I now understand the intent of the question, I think it's important that you know that the world is coming to an end. The sun will run out of hydrogen and all life will cease to exist.

I feel like an ### for taking you seriously. :wall:

ETA: "special" substituted for the word reflecting a lack of mental faculties? :lmao:

 
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Again, I think you (a bunch of you) are missing the point.  I am not saying "compete", or using the word "equal".  I simply stated a female to play a down in the NFL.  Shoot, they had a amputee play at the college level.  Are you trying to tell me they could find anyone better?  What about the autisitic team manager who played the last 4 minutes of the basketball game?  What about the mentally handicapped kid who scored a touchdown in the highschool football game?

This is not a shot at any of the players, simply that you cannot overlook the "awe" factor when answering this question.
Well then it's a special question. Of course, anything is possible, especially when you factor in the marketing value. A midget might even play RB for the shear purpose of having the QB throw him for the first down. I apologize that I assumed a certain level of intelligent discussion (i.e. "ever" as in a reasonable timeframe, vs. a time when the Earth will be overrun with aliens and humans will be kept as pets and for food.) Since I now understand the intent of the question, I think it's important that you know that the world is coming to an end. The sun will run out of hydrogen and all life will cease to exist.

I feel like an ### for taking you seriously. :wall:

ETA: "special" substituted for the word reflecting a lack of mental faculties? :lmao:
No pun intended to height challenged people... but you had me laughing out loud at work... just the mental image...
 
In 100 years there are so many changes that occur, social, technological, or what not.

You have no reason to even pretend you have the slightest remote idea of how the world will be like in 100 years.

Even though men have been "stronger" then women for thousands of years, who knows if this will remain true for the next several thousand years. We don't know. Heck, in 100 years from now, babies might be "medically programmed" by their parents who would select everything you can possibly select about your baby, including strength, etc. You have no clue what will happen.

So I have to answer YES to the question since it says "ever". That's pretty long. The only way women will not play in the NFL "ever" is if the game stops existing.
The probability of the NFL no longer existing is much greater than the probability of women becoming as strong as men.
 
Comparison with other sports are missing a critical factor. Most every highschool in America has girls playing basketball, golf, tennis ect- but practically none playing football. There are practically (perhaps literally) zero women playing football in college. There simply isnt the infastructure in existance for women to learn the game in large enough numbers for a realistic shot at one of them being good enough to play pro. How many NFL players never played until walking on in the NFL (sure its happened, but its a freak- for a woman to be both physically gifted and tough enough to play and able to learn the game at age 20 is hugely unlikely). Most NFL players have 10 or more years experience at all levels living, eating, and learning football before they get a crack at the pros. Until a reasonable number of females develop a pool of talent like that there is no realistic chance.

 
Comparison with other sports are missing a critical factor. Most every highschool in America has girls playing basketball, golf, tennis ect- but practically none playing football. There are practically (perhaps literally) zero women playing football in college. There simply isnt the infastructure in existance for women to learn the game in large enough numbers for a realistic shot at one of them being good enough to play pro. How many NFL players never played until walking on in the NFL (sure its happened, but its a freak- for a woman to be both physically gifted and tough enough to play and able to learn the game at age 20 is hugely unlikely). Most NFL players have 10 or more years experience at all levels living, eating, and learning football before they get a crack at the pros. Until a reasonable number of females develop a pool of talent like that there is no realistic chance.
Someone could make the leap from soccer to NFL kicker.
 
In 100 years there are so many changes that occur, social, technological, or what not. 

You have no reason to even pretend you have the slightest remote idea of how the world will be like in 100 years. 

Even though men have been "stronger" then women for thousands of years, who knows if this will remain true for the next several thousand years.  We don't know.  Heck, in 100 years from now, babies might be "medically programmed" by their parents who would select everything you can possibly select about your baby, including strength, etc.  You have no clue what will happen.

So I have to answer YES to the question since it says "ever".  That's pretty long.  The only way women will not play in the NFL "ever" is if the game stops existing.
The probability of the NFL no longer existing is much greater than the probability of women becoming as strong as men.
Mmmm... hard to tell. Biotech companies are making huge progress every decade...Interesting discussion, but probably not for the shark pool.

 
A kicker or punter would be an obvious choice for a position simply because there isnt much hitting.
Except that men generally kick and punt better than women. I think a woman will crack the top 32 kickers/punters in the world at about the same time that a woman cracks the top 32 tennis players in the world. Which is to say, I don't think it will happen in the foreseeable future.
:goodposting: There will always be enough male kickers who are better/stronger than women. I dont think we will ever see one.
For a woman to make it in the NFL as a kicker she would need to be able to handle kick off duties (getting the ball into the endzone) as well as be VERY accurate on FG's up to 40 yards. I don't think we'll see a female kicker who can hit consistent 50 yarders, but it's a position that is more mental than physical so there is a possibility.
 
A kicker or punter would be an obvious choice for a position simply because there isnt much hitting.
Except that men generally kick and punt better than women. I think a woman will crack the top 32 kickers/punters in the world at about the same time that a woman cracks the top 32 tennis players in the world. Which is to say, I don't think it will happen in the foreseeable future.
:goodposting: There will always be enough male kickers who are better/stronger than women. I dont think we will ever see one.
For a woman to make it in the NFL as a kicker she would need to be able to handle kick off duties (getting the ball into the endzone) as well as be VERY accurate on FG's up to 40 yards. I don't think we'll see a female kicker who can hit consistent 50 yarders, but it's a position that is more mental than physical so there is a possibility.
Not necessarily. Denver opened last season with 3 kicking specialists. I think Indy had 3 on their roster at some point, too. She wouldn't necessarily have to kickoff *AND* handle figgies- she could easily just do one or the other.
 
Kickers? Why not.

Just replay Grammatica jumping for joy and blowing his knee out. These guys are the last people picked, so they make them kickers. I bet Mia Hamm could kick Grammaiticas ### in most spots, physical or not (including boxing).

 
I can't even believe that the poll is this close. There's absolutely no way whatsoever that this would EVER happen, unless we somehow find a way in the future to genetically alter the female chromosomes to make them naturally stronger than they are.

I know there's a lot of "girl power" and feminism in this country, and a lot are probably influenced by it....but you have to use your head and realize that there's absolutely no way a woman could make it in the NFL. There's no woman currently alive who could physically match the men. And even though women will eventually become stronger and faster naturally as time goes on....so will the men, outclassing them again. It's an endless cycle.

The best female athletes now would have been able to compete back in the 1920's and 30's, maybe, but certainly not now.

People just need to accept that some things CANNOT be conquered by training and willpower alone. Women are inherently weaker than men, and that cannot be changed unless illegal steroids are used.

 
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In this goofball ultra-PC world?  You kidding?  Just a matter of time.

:X
:goodposting: I think its only a matter of time before some like a Mia Hamm or Abby Wambach says they'd like to try out for an NFL team. I doubt very many teams would want the bad publicity of saying "no." At that point, if chick "X" can out-kick a Gramatica or Cortez, it would be pretty hard for a team to say no.

ETA: Lets not discount they occasional athletic freak like "Babe" Didrickson-Zaharias either. There are always exceptions to the "women-are-weaker" rule.

 
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NFL? Not in my lifetime.

Has there even been a woman college player that was good, let alone great?

The stories I remember hearing about had to do with sexual harassment suits.

 
Has anyone here on the board ever tried to kick even a 40-yarder?

I have and it is extremely difficult. It takes the coordination of many things but strength is the largest part of the equation [manifested through leg speed].

Because of the nature of the physics associated with the balls [football vs soccer], they fly completely differently.

I can routinely kick a soccer ball 80-85 yards in the air; in fact I scored two goals over my career from goal kicks where the opposing goalie was napping. I one-hopped them into the net!

Conversely, when trying to kick a field goal, my longest every is 45 yards.

There is no way Mia Hamm or any other women soccer player kicks in the NFL. Today or ever. This is strictly physiology as it bears out in physical nature.

 
The question is not:

"Do you want to see a woman play NFL football?"

"Do you think a woman could play in the NFL today?"

"Do you think a woman could play in the NFL in 5 years?"

I think most people are really answering those questions.

The question is "Will a female ever play a down in the NFL?"

Given the changes in the lives and abilities of women over the last 200-300 years, I think it's inevitable that a woman, or women, will play in the NFL. Why? Because the physical abilities of women will continue to increase over time, and because the NFL is entertainment. When the ability of one or more woman gets close to the ability level of NFL men, the public will want to see it.

 
The question is not:

"Do you want to see a woman play NFL football?"

"Do you think a woman could play in the NFL today?"

"Do you think a woman could play in the NFL in 5 years?"

I think most people are really answering those questions.

The question is "Will a female ever play a down in the NFL?"

Given the changes in the lives and abilities of women over the last 200-300 years, I think it's inevitable that a woman, or women, will play in the NFL. Why? Because the physical abilities of women will continue to increase over time, and because the NFL is entertainment. When the ability of one or more woman gets close to the ability level of NFL men, the public will want to see it.
I don't doubt that the physical abilities of women will increase over time, but it's also going to be true that the physical abilities of men will also increase over time. Genetically, women cannot and will not catch up to men physically. It's a fact that needs to be dealt with and moved on from.Besides, even if one day there was a woman or a few women who were physical freaks and able to play in the league, there's no way they could be anything other than a deep backup, or practice teamer. That's BEST CASE scenario. And no NFL owner or coach would dare to bring a woman onto a team, because it would disrupt team chemistry, immensely. After those rape allegations made at that college with the female kicker, I don't think a coach/owner would want to (rightfully so) risk anything, or else they'd be sued for millions and millions.

 
Another thing to consider, while Golf may not be in the same solar system as the NFL, women are currently knocking at the door.

I think tennis might be next. I think volleyball is certainly there, not sure why there arent any women playing in mens leagues (maybe there are). We have a women in Indy car racing, it is only a matter of time before a woman makes it to NASCAR. Women seem to beat men out in 3-point shooting contents.

Im not saying a women to make it to the pro-bowl, simply compete.
We're talking about contact sport. Not Golf or Tennis. Cmon!As for women in Indy car racing, still not a contact sport, and it's mainly a publicity stunt since Nascar has Indy by the balls and the best DP has ever done in her career so far is leading 1 lap in the Indy 500. Woohoo!
How many laps have you led in the Indy 500?
Only one less than she has in zero chances. :thumbup:
 
I think volleyball is certainly there
How so?
I can only guess that he's talking about the Libero. All they can do is play defense in the backcourt, and that is sometihng women can do as well as men. Other than that position (which is a relatively recent rule change and one I've never been fond of), women are nowhere near the same level as men in volleyball.
 
"Run along, Jenny, and next week I'll show you why women can't play professional football. " -Ted Olson

 
Safe bet, I am willing to bet yes! ("Ever" goes well beyound my lifetime.)

If a midget can get an AB in a major league baseball game a woman could certainly be used as a gimmick for a kickoff or a punt. Mia Hamm could easily be taught to do a coffin corner kick.

 
There is a huge women's basketball presence in the U.S. Hundreds of college programs and a pro league. How close is any women's basketball player to playing even one minute in the NBA?

 
There is a huge women's basketball presence in the U.S. Hundreds of college programs and a pro league. How close is any women's basketball player to playing even one minute in the NBA?
It may have been preseason, but I believe that they already have!

 
There is a huge women's basketball presence in the U.S. Hundreds of college programs and a pro league. How close is any women's basketball player to playing even one minute in the NBA?
Irrelevant, because playing in the NBA requires a different skill set. We don't say that Adam Vinatieri can't play in the NFL because he's half the size of Ladanian Tomlinson or the starting nose tackle of the Eagles. NBA players play both sides of the ball and are in constant contact with other players. If someone touches a kicker on the field of play, half the time it's a penalty.
 
Genetically, women cannot and will not catch up to men physically. It's a fact that needs to be dealt with and moved on from.
You have to remember, less than 100 years ago it was well-known incontrovertible truth that women were intellectually inferior to men, and always would be. You're assuming our present-day understanding of genetics is all that will ever be understood. And you're assuming that human genes will never be modified, naturally or artificially, in the future. Both are probably bad assumptions.
And no NFL owner or coach would dare to bring a woman onto a team, because it would disrupt team chemistry, immensely. After those rape allegations made at that college with the female kicker, I don't think a coach/owner would want to (rightfully so) risk anything, or else they'd be sued for millions and millions.
Do you really think, 20 or 40 years into the future, if a female athlete has shown she can compete for an NFL spot, that the entertainment audience will be OK with "she could play but we won't let her since she might get raped"?
 
There is a huge women's basketball presence in the U.S.  Hundreds of college programs and a pro league.  How close is any women's basketball player to playing even one minute in the NBA?
It may have been preseason, but I believe that they already have!
1979 - Ann Meyers - Indiana Pacers.
 
With roster limitations, I'm going to have to go with no. Even a PK has to make a tackle every now and then.

 
Nope. Won't happen.

1. Physically not equal with the men playing in the game.

2. Pyscologically speaking it would change how the game is played by some

It is a work enviroment. Things said to other men can not always be said in the presence of a women. It would be too much of a hassle legally & morally also

eg: chick wr catches pass across middle...now meet mr lewis ouch

Sorry but some things just are not made for co-ed play. Women and men are not equal.

 
A kicker or punter would be an obvious choice for a position simply because there isnt much hitting.
Except that men generally kick and punt better than women. I think a woman will crack the top 32 kickers/punters in the world at about the same time that a woman cracks the top 32 tennis players in the world. Which is to say, I don't think it will happen in the foreseeable future.
:goodposting: There will always be enough male kickers who are better/stronger than women. I dont think we will ever see one.
For a woman to make it in the NFL as a kicker she would need to be able to handle kick off duties (getting the ball into the endzone) as well as be VERY accurate on FG's up to 40 yards. I don't think we'll see a female kicker who can hit consistent 50 yarders, but it's a position that is more mental than physical so there is a possibility.
Not necessarily. Denver opened last season with 3 kicking specialists. I think Indy had 3 on their roster at some point, too. She wouldn't necessarily have to kickoff *AND* handle figgies- she could easily just do one or the other.
True, but most teams won't. Denver doesn't mind having a kickoff specialist since they have a kicker who can hit 60 yards FG's. Teams would be unlikely to have a specialist to go with a short range range kicker.
 
I agree with the "not in my lifetime" group, but in the next 100 or 200 years? Perhaps. The arguments that while female size, strength and athleticism will increase is absolutely true, as is the fact that the male equivalent will as well. However - barring genetic manipulation or steroids - we may see a point where even the outstanding male athletic build just can't plain support the additional muscle mass and weight. Without that (genetics/steroids), we may be outstripping evolution.

So there may be a point where the male athlete just peaks, regardless. The question is will the female athlete peak at the same time, or catch up?

 

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