John Facenda
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Seems that some of Peyton's fans in the state of Tennessee may have turned on him. 
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Will Peyton Manning lead Denver to a Super Bowl? (1 Viewer)
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Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
A hard no.
This team is not close to winning the SB. Manning had far greater teams in Indy and only reached 2 SB's. Indy was successful on offense with Manning no doubt, but how quickly will Denver skill players pick it up? will Manning stay healthy? can he play at the same level as before? how will he play out doors in the elements with a bad neck?
Denver defense is not SB caliber, so the offense will have to make up the difference which might be possible in time but can Manning hold up and play at an elite level while the defence plays catch up. I don't think so.
Manning made a huge mistake in not going to San Fran if he wanted a chance to add to his SB resume.
This team is not close to winning the SB. Manning had far greater teams in Indy and only reached 2 SB's. Indy was successful on offense with Manning no doubt, but how quickly will Denver skill players pick it up? will Manning stay healthy? can he play at the same level as before? how will he play out doors in the elements with a bad neck?
Denver defense is not SB caliber, so the offense will have to make up the difference which might be possible in time but can Manning hold up and play at an elite level while the defence plays catch up. I don't think so.
Manning made a huge mistake in not going to San Fran if he wanted a chance to add to his SB resume.
Dr. Gobbler
Footballguy
I'll say no because I think Manning ends up on the IR.
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
Negative. Peyton said his head said SF and heart said Denver. Dumb choice.
Possum
Footballguy
As the team is constructed right now, I'd agree with you. I think Denver needs some serious work on their overall talent to get to contender status.Offensively, they're good at QB, run blocking, and Thomas looks like a talented young WR1. RB is mediocre with an aging, injury-prone McGahee the best of the bunch. The OL hasn't been great at pass protection (40+ sacks given up both of the last two seasons), the WR depth is weak, and they don't have a TE on the roster that scares anybody.Defensively, DE is above average with Dumervil/Ayers, Von Miller looks like a stud at OLB, and the corners are good (but getting a little long in the tooth). Safety and the other OLB are average, and their DTs and MLBs are some of the worst in the league.Two other things I wonder about: how well Manning will adjust to his first different team - the Colts' offensive talent was completely built around him and there was a lot of longevity between Peyton and most of his offensive teammates. He won't have the same comfort level with the talent around him in Denver. Also, how much did Tebow's running ability contribute to Denver's success on the ground last year? They had the #1 rushing attack in the league, but Tebow was their second-leading rusher and had over half of their total rush TDs - I wonder how much losing that part of the offense will affect their ground game?I think there's a lot of holes to fill on Denver's roster if they expect to win a ring with whatever time Manning has left. It's a ballsy move going all-in with him to try to do it, but it remains to be seen if they can put a team around Peyton that can get them there. I think it's a long shot with the current personnel.'Carter_Can_Fly said:
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
As we've seen recently just getting into the playoffs gives you a shot, plus division winners get home games if not byes + home games.
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footballnerd
Footballguy
no, at least he'll avoid playing his brother.
One year ago, Denver was about the worst team in the league. 2011 was the perfect storm of easy schedule and (Tebow-induced) lucky bounces. The team is flat out not that good. Even with Manning, I don't see them much more than a .500 team.
Deamon
Footballguy
Exactly. Was just going to say this.
This question is much harder to answer than a simple yes or no. Denver does have some interesting players and nobody saw Indianapolis's fall last year coming. If Peyton Manning is indeed able to stay on the field and can play at his customary level, then I don't see how anyone can give a hard no to the possibility that Denver could win a Super Bowl with Manning.
Last year, the Giants were on a horrible losing streak, many were saying that they should fire Coughlin and then they win a couple and make the playoffs. Then, they get healthy on defense and storm to the Super Bowl Championship with a 9-7 regular season record.
Anything is possible and the Broncos with Manning definitely can win.
Last year, the Giants were on a horrible losing streak, many were saying that they should fire Coughlin and then they win a couple and make the playoffs. Then, they get healthy on defense and storm to the Super Bowl Championship with a 9-7 regular season record.
Anything is possible and the Broncos with Manning definitely can win.
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
No one saw Indy fall coming? I would have to disagree. I don't think anyone saw it coming to that level, but their aging roster and the contracts all due seemed like it was clear to see that their window was all but closed.
thatguy
Footballguy
Oh please. The 2008 Vikings went 10-6 and won a playoff berth behind Gus Frerotte and a young Tarvaris Jackson. Come the off-season, Brett Favre becomes a available and they jump at the chance to acquire a future HOF QB nearing the end of his career. Did anyone bat an eyelash, or even care about the QB's who had led the team to the playoffs the previous year? Did anyone say, "That's just terrible, what the Vikings management did to Frefotte/TJax was just wrong." No, no one gave a ####. Tim Tebow is just another player in the NFL. He's entitled to nothing. No one in this league is.
Would you like to unpack that a bit? Exactly what did he do to Tebow that is so wrong?
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
It wasn't my statement, but I have to agree that he was treated poorly. I've never seen a team executive look so sad that his team was winning games. You almost had to pull his horse teeth to get him to say anything nice about Tebow.Tebow isn't a vet with years of experience. He had started a handful of games. Most teams coddle first-round picks and praise them if they can finish a game without vomiting. Tebow helped the team win games and still got tepid words of encouragement. The season was turned around. They won the division. They beat the Steelers, and Tebow's arm was a big part of that. They got blown out by the AFC champions the next week, but so what? A rookie (basically) was behind center for the turnaround which captivated fans and got an average team into the playoffs-- and that was after they traded their best receiver away the same week they gave him the starting job.
And for that they barely acknowledged he was worth any attention. They jumped at the chance to ditch him for an old player coming off neck surgeries who hasn't played since 2010 and has a mediocre playoff record. Yes, he's a first ballot Hall of Famer and is a rare talent as a leader. He was a great player and might still be one again. But he has a couple of seasons left at his prime (if he's still at his prime) and they ditched a 24-year-old for that? Sorry, that doesn't make any sense to me.
The Broncos won a playoff game with Tebow behind center. I don't think the same will happen in 2012 with Manning. The schedule is tough, the team isn't that good and there will be rust to shake off. And that's a best-case scenario with him staying healthy.
I agree that Manning would have been better off in San Francisco. I think Tebow would be great there, too. He'd have much better weapons than he had in Denver and they have a great defense. The 49ers would have still been a Super bowl contender with Tebow as their quarterback imo.
The broncos did what they thought was best. But Elway treated Tebow pretty shabbily imo. Russell, Leaf, Carr-- all of them had more support and accomplished much less.
Mile High
Footballguy
Anyone here think Tebow could beat out Manning for the job in open competition?
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sspunisher
Footballguy
Denver was a really good choice for him IMO. Mostly b/c my Demaryius Thomas and Eric Decker keepers are looking pretty good.
Seriously though, Rivers is a huge roadblock in that division, but apparently San Diego has no interest in surrounding him with weapons so I'm going to actually give Manning the nod there, health permitting. In the AFC, Manning will have to deal with Tom Brady, Baltimore's D and Houston. Pittsburgh is aging but I guess you can throw them in there so 3-4 teams are significant threats. Much better QB play in the NFC though with Rodgers, Brees, Stafford, Romo, Newton, plus baby bro. Everyone's a contender in the NFC.
I can easily see a Patriots/Broncos AFC Championship if Manning's neck holds up.
Seriously though, Rivers is a huge roadblock in that division, but apparently San Diego has no interest in surrounding him with weapons so I'm going to actually give Manning the nod there, health permitting. In the AFC, Manning will have to deal with Tom Brady, Baltimore's D and Houston. Pittsburgh is aging but I guess you can throw them in there so 3-4 teams are significant threats. Much better QB play in the NFC though with Rodgers, Brees, Stafford, Romo, Newton, plus baby bro. Everyone's a contender in the NFC.
I can easily see a Patriots/Broncos AFC Championship if Manning's neck holds up.
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Riversco
Footballguy
Its very hard to get to a super bowl. I think every team in the NFL has a less than 50% chance of getting there at this point in the season, months before week 1. We don't know what injuries or other problems will hamper these teams. We don't know what surprise team is going to rise and shake up the standings. There's too many variables.
The odds are he won't. The odds are that for every team right now.
The odds are he won't. The odds are that for every team right now.
I wasn't certain of my statement following your comment, first going off my memory that most were calling for Indianapolis slightly over Houston for the division race, so I decided to do a little checking. I located an early season 2011 wagering article that compared the super bowl odds for each team from pre-season to after week three's games. I think that this data backs up my recollection pretty well.Pre-Season AFC favorites were New England and Pittsburg at 4:1. NYJets were next at 9:2 and Indianapolis and San Diego were next at 5:1. After three weeks without Manning, Indianapolis was 0-3 and their odds had dropped to 125:1, which was tied for last. Because they dropped so far so fast last year, I believe that many would probably remember similar to you that their fall could have been predicted, but I really don't think it was and that was all the value of Peyton Manning to that team.'Carter_Can_Fly said:
A hard Yes. Peyton makes every single player/position on O-fense a good 10-20% better. OL block a bit better; he identifies and adjusts protections better than anyone ever has, he delivers the ball quicker, and climbs or slides the pocket as well as anyone. Those things don't change over his time off, although they will probably be rusty in the pre-season. RB's benefit in the same way; pre-snap adjustments to blocking, reverses, etc. WR's benefit...wait, do I need to say anything here?
My question will be what Denver does with the remaining cap room (which, imo is the 2nd biggest reason Peyton chose Denver) and draft picks. Can they add maybe 1 good OL that can play all positions, and do it well. Can they add a few more pieces on D to add depth and overall talent? At this point, I've gotta believe that Elway is got the team and front office going in a pretty good direction.
I'd say you'll definitely see Denver in a SB over the next 3 years.
My question will be what Denver does with the remaining cap room (which, imo is the 2nd biggest reason Peyton chose Denver) and draft picks. Can they add maybe 1 good OL that can play all positions, and do it well. Can they add a few more pieces on D to add depth and overall talent? At this point, I've gotta believe that Elway is got the team and front office going in a pretty good direction.
I'd say you'll definitely see Denver in a SB over the next 3 years.
Abraham
Footballguy
I haven't turned on him, but I hate John Elway with the heat of 1,000 suns so to hear Manning gush over him (and to hear Elway talk about making him "one of the best QB's to ever play" as if Manning isn't >> Elway already) made me puke.Seems that some of Peyton's fans in the state of Tennessee may have turned on him.
az_prof
Footballguy
This.
