Will Roethlisberger Be Suspended This Season? (1 Viewer)

[Class Dismissed]

If that is true, then Ben is being judged/suspended purely on this one incident in GA.

So the other incident in GA doesn't count? The one with the designated driver who drove him home whom he tried to tried to prevent from leaving with his #### hanging out?

You do realize that was 3rd hand information, from a guy, who knew a guy, who had a sister, who said it happened.

Wrong episode. I understand your confusion, though, since there are so many episodes involving Roethlisberger. There's the hotel in Nevada. There's the GA episode in the bar that has gotten so much press. There's the one reported by the Boston attorney named Manion. There's the gray penis one.It wasn't those. It was this one.

From your link:On Monday, March 15, 2010, at approximately 3:20 p.m., SA RYAN CARMICHAEL interviewed LINC BOYER at the Milledgeville Police Department in Milledgeville, Georgia. During the interview BOYER essentially state the following.

BOYER is a part of the Explorers Program at the Milledgeville Police Department. After this case came about Boyer received information from a friend of his named [Jane Doe's sister] (16 years of age). [Jane Doe's sister] told BOYER information about [her] siste, JANE DOE. JANE DOE is 21 or 22 years of age, and JANE worked at Great Waters. JANE knew BEN ROETHLISBERGER.

That's a Police Officer, who interviewed a boy, who was in the the Explorers program (Ages 14-20), who knew a 16 year old girl, who had a sister, Who knew Ben.

That's the source to the incident that you are referring to. So the confusion is all yours.

Maybe your desire to dump on the QB of the 6 Time Super Bowl Champion Pittsburgh Steelers, led to your ignorance of the facts. Facts that were on display in the very article that you linked, you just have to read past the headline.

 

[Tau837]

The NFL Personal Conduct Policy is not written into the NFL Collective Bargaining Agreement.

If it had been collectively bargained, the article says it would be legal. But it wasn't.

If this is true then my stance would be tempered somewhat and perhaps the lawsuit would survive longer than an early dismissal - although I still have doubts that Ben could win. I have always heard otherwise (that it was part of the CBA), but I'm not really sure one way or the other.

Well, that article says the original NFL Personal Conduct Policy was created in 2000. I believe the current collective bargaining agreement was reached in 1993, and has been extended 5 times, most recently in 2006. I suppose the question is, did any of the extensions incorporate that policy?Then the policy was revised and toughened in 2007. There has been no extended or new collective bargaining agreement since then. So even if it were somehow incorporated in an agreement extension between 2000 and 2007, it would be hard for me to believe that the NFLPA would have agreed to let the NFL revise the policy without their agreement. According to that article I linked, no changes can be made to the CBA unless by written agreement of both parties. The article goes on to specifically say there is no such written agreement with regard to the personal conduct policy.

 

[B-Deep]

so Goddell will be doing the sniff test and deciding on a suspension based on reports which may or may not be accurate as to what actually happened that night.......cool

nogoodell will be basing his decision at very least on his personal interview with ben, ben's accounts of the night, how those gel with his initial accounts, the 500+ page report, and anything else that NFL investigators may have dug up, including any other interviews they or he may conduct.He'll have a lot of info, a lot more than anyone on this board can pretend to haveHOWEVER that will not stop people from second guessing him, or insisting he is being unfair.

If I had to guess, I think the suspension will be less than what the board consensus happens to be at the moment...at the most 4 games. (or more than 4, but reduced to 4). Right now most of the public opinion is focused on the statements of the young woman in Georgia and the other women coming out and making claims. I think Goddell will look beyond the court of public opinion and try to evaluate the totality of the case, including the fact that Big Ben has not been charged with any crimes. Punishment is certainly forthcoming, but I find it hard to believe 1/2 season or more is what is being considered.Now that I've said as much, I'm certain to be wrong, however.

yeahi am just not sure if his info will help ben or hurt himI do feel like anyone who does not think the comish will have WAY more info then we will ever have is living under a rock, a rock called stupid

 

[treat88]

This thread could really use an operational definition of the word "incident".

Seems to be a lot of misconceptions about what that word means.

LMAO at the "Manion incident".

 

[Stinkin Ref]

so Goddell will be doing the sniff test and deciding on a suspension based on reports which may or may not be accurate as to what actually happened that night.......cool

nogoodell will be basing his decision at very least on his personal interview with ben, ben's accounts of the night, how those gel with his initial accounts, the 500+ page report, and anything else that NFL investigators may have dug up, including any other interviews they or he may conduct.He'll have a lot of info, a lot more than anyone on this board can pretend to haveHOWEVER that will not stop people from second guessing him, or insisting he is being unfair.

In his personal interview, it is my understanding he would be claiming that he did nothing wrong. And I would think Ben's representatives would want to make sure that they had a chance to challenge information in any report that the commish would use to make a decision. There may be a bunch of police reports out there, but that does not mean the information in them is accurate or truthful. Any other information that is gathered I think would want to be reviewed by Ben and his people as well for the same reason. So if Ben and his people have the ability to review everything the commish is using to make his decison and counter it if necessary then so be it. These are pretty serious allegations and I don't think Ben and his people would just wipe their brow and feel lucky that no charges were filed.

 

[Steelfan7]

just because something is in a police report does not mean it is true or accurate....this incident never went to trial so Ben never had a chance to challenge the information in any of the reports..........

We've already been through this a few pages back - just because you may think the evidence is unconvincing or not credible does not mean that it is not "evidence".

This is pretty much it. It's not going to get a scientific study to try and figure out all of the facts in the case; it simply gets the sniff test. Does it reek? How bad does it reek? If it reeks pretty bad (such as having 5 instances, anecdotal or otherwise, of sexual misconduct) then you're probably going to get the hammer. Deservedly.

EXACTLY. Image matters in the NFL. This is a league where guys get fined 5 figures for wearing the wrong socks or cleats, and people honestly think the Commish is going to be bound by the legal burden of proof the district attorney would need? No way, shape, or form.And I would be STUNNED if Ben tried to fight the league outside of the standard appeal. Suing the league would be blackballing himself. Why do that? If he sits out 4-6 games, he loses money sure, but he gets to come back and make tens of millions of dollars more. And we've proven to be a forgiving society, especially for celebrities that are good at their craft. Ben may never change his ways, but if he repents publicly, gets treatment and keeps his nose clean going forward, a winning season in PIT will have most forgetting this ever happened.

100% agreed.Rooney clearly stated that this was Ben's chance to "rehabilitate his image". Any type of resistance against the punishments handed down would be undermining that very image and be the opposite of rehabilitating it.There is no way Ben even appeal's, let alone files suit in a case like this.Rightly or wrongly Ben has been tried and convicted in the court of public opinion and that is the real court the commish worries about.I imagine Goodell's scope of authority in these matters will be a serious point of discussion, and rightly so, in the upcoming CBA.

You can be sure that Goodell is working closely with the Steelers and the union in coming up with whatever decision he makes. It is in the best interest of all parties for the punishment to be handed down without opposition from Ben or the union.

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

pitts just accuired Leftwich for a 7th rd pick

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

So does the NFL order Pittsburgh's opponents to minimize the impact of a suspension?

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[Godsbrother]

pitts just accuired Leftwich for a 7th rd pick

I heard on local TV that Goodell will announce Ben's suspension tomorrow. It looks like the Steelers already know what it is and expect him to be out more than a week or two.

 

[fatness]

The fact is, a lawsuit can happen. Will it? I don't know? Would it succeed? I don't know. But to make the erroneous claim that it's not a possibility is wrong.

Time travel is a possibility.

 

[Holland Freeze]

If they bring Lefty back - does that help them?

 

[5-ish Finkle]

He'll have a lot of info, a lot more than anyone on this board can pretend to have

Oh, I don't know about that. There are several individuals in all of these Roethlisberger threads, on both sides of the argument, that are pretending to know absolutely scads and scads of information. I'm quite sure they're capable of pretending that they know more.It's the only reason I keep reading them.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

If they bring Lefty back - does that help them?

By "them," do you mean Pittsburgh's 2010 opponents?

 

[Idiot Boxer]

He'll have a lot of info, a lot more than anyone on this board can pretend to have

Oh, I don't know about that. There are several individuals in all of these Roethlisberger threads, on both sides of the argument, that are pretending to know absolutely scads and scads of information. I'm quite sure they're capable of pretending that they know more.It's the only reason I keep reading them.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

So, is Ben a buy or sell right now?

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

So, is Ben a buy or sell right now?

If people are selling I'm buying. He will see the field again. He will be motivated to try to turn the conversation. He has years of service left.

 

[FBGirl79]

4-6 games per Chris Mortensen on ESPN live right now. Said Goodell is finalizing details right now but 6 with possibility of getting it reduced to 4.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

so Goddell will be doing the sniff test and deciding on a suspension based on reports which may or may not be accurate as to what actually happened that night.......cool

nogoodell will be basing his decision at very least on his personal interview with ben, ben's accounts of the night, how those gel with his initial accounts, the 500+ page report, and anything else that NFL investigators may have dug up, including any other interviews they or he may conduct.

He'll have a lot of info, a lot more than anyone on this board can pretend to have

HOWEVER that will not stop people from second guessing him, or insisting he is being unfair.

If I had to guess, I think the suspension will be less than what the board consensus happens to be at the moment...at the most 4 games. (or more than 4, but reduced to 4). Right now most of the public opinion is focused on the statements of the young woman in Georgia and the other women coming out and making claims. I think Goddell will look beyond the court of public opinion and try to evaluate the totality of the case, including the fact that Big Ben has not been charged with any crimes. Punishment is certainly forthcoming, but I find it hard to believe 1/2 season or more is what is being considered.Now that I've said as much, I'm certain to be wrong, however.

People should listen to me more.