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Will Steelers regret letting Joey Porter go? (1 Viewer)

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After looking at Porter's stats and comparing them to Adalius Thomas, Porter's are actually better.

They are the same age and Porter has more pro bowls and sacks.

Both are ideal 3-4 LBs. Reading reports on what Thomas may get from NE, Porter may have been a bargain for the Steelers.

 
thomas is the better athlete and seems to be still on the rise, i believe porter has maxed out his potential

 
This looks to be a dumb move on my part. Being 32nd in cap space and the best they can do is cut Joey Porter? Joey was a big part of the team and letting him test the market will only up his value. Good for Joey, bad for the Steelers...

 
I think career numbers are certainly not the way to look at this, but rather compare their more recent years and the circumstances that drove their stat sheets...

Porter has for a long time been relied upon as THE pass rush specialist on the Steelers; that's his primary job. For that reason, you can understand his relatively uninspiring tackle totals (he's averaged 55 tackles over the last three years) in exchange for QB pressure. To that end, he's had 24.5 sacks in those three seasons.

Now look at what AD's job is for the Ravens. He isn't their primary pass rusher, Terrell Suggs is their full-time rush 3-4 backer. AD is asked to adjust to a far greater number of assignments and schemes than Porter was in Pittsburgh. To put it in the simplest of terms, Thomas is more versatile. Thomas has 239 tackles over the last three season (80 per season) and, even though he's not a full time pass rusher, has 28 sacks (3.5 more than Porter).

Combine all that with Thomas' better health and less volatile attitude, and I don't see how he's not a demonstrably better signing than Porter at this point in their respective careers.

I'm NOT saying Porter can't and won't help a team if he's used appropriately, but AD can do anything the defensive coordinator asks, not the case for Porter.

 
Jason Wood said:
I think career numbers are certainly not the way to look at this, but rather compare their more recent years and the circumstances that drove their stat sheets...Porter has for a long time been relied upon as THE pass rush specialist on the Steelers; that's his primary job. For that reason, you can understand his relatively uninspiring tackle totals (he's averaged 55 tackles over the last three years) in exchange for QB pressure. To that end, he's had 24.5 sacks in those three seasons.Now look at what AD's job is for the Ravens. He isn't their primary pass rusher, Terrell Suggs is their full-time rush 3-4 backer. AD is asked to adjust to a far greater number of assignments and schemes than Porter was in Pittsburgh. To put it in the simplest of terms, Thomas is more versatile. Thomas has 239 tackles over the last three season (80 per season) and, even though he's not a full time pass rusher, has 28 sacks (3.5 more than Porter).Combine all that with Thomas' better health and less volatile attitude, and I don't see how he's not a demonstrably better signing than Porter at this point in their respective careers.I'm NOT saying Porter can't and won't help a team if he's used appropriately, but AD can do anything the defensive coordinator asks, not the case for Porter.
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:boxing: AD and Joey Porter are 2 players going in opposite directions. AD is in his prime and at his peak and Porter is on the downside.
 
Jason Wood said:
I think career numbers are certainly not the way to look at this, but rather compare their more recent years and the circumstances that drove their stat sheets...Porter has for a long time been relied upon as THE pass rush specialist on the Steelers; that's his primary job. For that reason, you can understand his relatively uninspiring tackle totals (he's averaged 55 tackles over the last three years) in exchange for QB pressure. To that end, he's had 24.5 sacks in those three seasons.Now look at what AD's job is for the Ravens. He isn't their primary pass rusher, Terrell Suggs is their full-time rush 3-4 backer. AD is asked to adjust to a far greater number of assignments and schemes than Porter was in Pittsburgh. To put it in the simplest of terms, Thomas is more versatile. Thomas has 239 tackles over the last three season (80 per season) and, even though he's not a full time pass rusher, has 28 sacks (3.5 more than Porter).Combine all that with Thomas' better health and less volatile attitude, and I don't see how he's not a demonstrably better signing than Porter at this point in their respective careers.I'm NOT saying Porter can't and won't help a team if he's used appropriately, but AD can do anything the defensive coordinator asks, not the case for Porter.
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Actually, Porter is not a pass rush specialist as in that's his main job. In the Steelers' system, all 4 of the linebackers blitz a very similiar amount all game, Porter is just the best at it which is why his sack totals are higher than the other LB's. Porter is actually one of the better LB's in the NFL in pass coverage, and as his career has been going on has been asked to drop into coverage more and more. He's a very versatile and athletic player, and I think he can succeed in any system.Although I do agree that he has hit his peak and Thomas is the one on the rise. Porter wasn't bad in 2006, but you could tell he wasn't quite the same guy.
 
Just like they regretted Gildon, Kirkland, Brown, Flowers, Holmes, Bell...

Typical Steeler move. Don't sign a 30 year old player in decline to a long-term 4+mil/yr deal. A.Smith on the other hand, is not in decline and doesn't get paid what he's worth anyhow.

 
Cookiemonster said:
Just like they regretted Gildon, Kirkland, Brown, Flowers, Holmes, Bell...Typical Steeler move. Don't sign a 30 year old player in decline to a long-term 4+mil/yr deal. A.Smith on the other hand, is not in decline and doesn't get paid what he's worth anyhow.
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I see your point and agree with it, but we actually DID regret losing Brown...
 
Jous said:
Cookiemonster said:
Just like they regretted Gildon, Kirkland, Brown, Flowers, Holmes, Bell...Typical Steeler move. Don't sign a 30 year old player in decline to a long-term 4+mil/yr deal. A.Smith on the other hand, is not in decline and doesn't get paid what he's worth anyhow.
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I see your point and agree with it, but we actually DID regret losing Brown...
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He's played well, but I wouldn't say he's been badly missed. Difference of opinion. What did he end up signing for that year? I don't remember, but I'm sure the $ was better spent elsewhere.
 
Cookiemonster said:
Just like they regretted Gildon, Kirkland, Brown, Flowers, Holmes, Bell...Typical Steeler move. Don't sign a 30 year old player in decline to a long-term 4+mil/yr deal. A.Smith on the other hand, is not in decline and doesn't get paid what he's worth anyhow.
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:unsure: Paying Porter for age years 30-34/5 is a sucka move.
 
Tackling Dummies said:
Cookiemonster said:
Just like they regretted Gildon, Kirkland, Brown, Flowers, Holmes, Bell...Typical Steeler move. Don't sign a 30 year old player in decline to a long-term 4+mil/yr deal. A.Smith on the other hand, is not in decline and doesn't get paid what he's worth anyhow.
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:lol: Paying Porter for age years 30-34/5 is a sucka move.
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you know how the Steelers roll.No regrets. Porter was great for a while, but 2006 wasnt a part of it.
 
Jous said:
Cookiemonster said:
Just like they regretted Gildon, Kirkland, Brown, Flowers, Holmes, Bell...

I see your point and agree with it, but we actually DID regret losing Brown...

Chad Brown went to Seattle after pittsburgh. He was there for around 8 years or so, then on to the pats and now back with pittsburgh. He had five pretty good seasons out of the eight. Pittsburgh usually has a guy that they drafted in the wings when they cut one of the big paying players.

Although, I am not sure who is going to replace porter
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gocats said:
They had to, they were 32nd in cap space
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The Steelers had enough room to keep Porter for this year with the retirement of Hartings and Aaron Smith's new deal. They'll use Porter's cap space to sign Polamalu and Faneca to extensions.Joey Porter still has some gas in the tank but the Steelers have the philosophy that it is better to cut a guy loose a year ealry than to keep him too long. It has worked pretty well for them.Also the Steelers pass rush last season was not that great and there were quite a few games where Joey just disappeared.
 
There were several factors into Porter's release:

1. His cap number

2. His age

3. New coach and system-Transition to 4-3

4. James Harrison-Younger, cheaper, faster

Not saying he wont be missed, but the way the Steelers do business will never change.

The Steelers have been a LB factory for years. It is the just like the Denver backfield, plug and play.

 
Yeah, he goes to the Pro and Superbowl as a champion afterward....no better at all....

He was actually angrier after he got shot, I liked the fire.

Time is Porter's biggest enemy, not his ### wound.

Some Steelers are sorry to see him go.

Ward Said.

"Joey was such a great friend, not only a teammate," Ward said. "Not having him around the locker room, he's going to be missed in that sense. I'm sure Joey would have loved to just retire as a Steeler. Players, coaches, we come and go, it's a part of the business, and that's kind of the (bad) part of it."

Roethlisberger agreed.

"You lose a guy that's such an emotional leader, a phenomenal football player and a game-changer on defense for us," he said. "What the Rooneys felt was the right decision they made, and it's a business for them as well."

 
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TBLCommish said:
There were several factors into Porter's release:1. His cap number2. His age3. New coach and system-Transition to 4-34. James Harrison-Younger, cheaper, fasterNot saying he wont be missed, but the way the Steelers do business will never change.The Steelers have been a LB factory for years. It is the just like the Denver backfield, plug and play.
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I don't think I agree with #3 or #4. Maybe they will transition to a 4-3 but from what I've read it won't be this year. Harrison has certainly looked good on the filed, and he is cheaper and younger, but he's no Porter. I do agree that the 4some of Farrior, Foote, Haggans and Harrison is going to do just fine.....but our depth is now REALLY suspect. I'd like a veteran FA signing (even if it isn't a huge name....even if it is just a Banta-Cain or a Nap. Harris type guy)...Who do we have now? Andre Frazier and whoever we draft? :thumbup:
 
AhrnCityPahnder said:
TBLCommish said:
There were several factors into Porter's release:1. His cap number2. His age3. New coach and system-Transition to 4-34. James Harrison-Younger, cheaper, fasterNot saying he wont be missed, but the way the Steelers do business will never change.The Steelers have been a LB factory for years. It is the just like the Denver backfield, plug and play.
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I don't think I agree with #3 or #4. Maybe they will transition to a 4-3 but from what I've read it won't be this year. Harrison has certainly looked good on the filed, and he is cheaper and younger, but he's no Porter. I do agree that the 4some of Farrior, Foote, Haggans and Harrison is going to do just fine.....but our depth is now REALLY suspect. I'd like a veteran FA signing (even if it isn't a huge name....even if it is just a Banta-Cain or a Nap. Harris type guy)...Who do we have now? Andre Frazier and whoever we draft? :cry:
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They might bring Chad Brown back :thumbup:
 
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Yea ive been saying the same all off season. LB is a pressing issue right now. If Foote and Farrior werent so good Id be really upset....but they did get banged up alot last year, we def. need depth.

 
They are going to transition to 4-3 sooner than you think and he release of Porter and the signing of Smith is an indication that they are planning on him making an even bigger impact in the future, where the defensive ends are counted on doing more and Smith is versatile to do both.

 
TBLCommish said:
Biabreakable said:
Porter really has not been the same since he was shot.
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Did you not see any of 2005? He has gone to several pro bowls since then too.that post has absolutely no merit whatsoever!
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I retract my statement because it is wrong. That was just my speculation/impression about him after that incident. I get very wary of players who have off the field incidents like this or motorcycle accidents ect.Porters best year statisticly was in 2002. 2005 was probobly his next best after that so no lingering effects of the shooting I guess so I was wrong.Even still Porter is a player well past his peak so I don't see it as a bad move the Steelers letting him go at this stage of his career.
 
TBLCommish said:
There were several factors into Porter's release:

1. His cap number

2. His age

3. New coach and system-Transition to 4-3

4. James Harrison-Younger, cheaper, faster

Not saying he wont be missed, but the way the Steelers do business will never change.

The Steelers have been a LB factory for years. It is the just like the Denver backfield, plug and play.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Harrison is only a year or two younger. However, he may also be stronger and play the run better. I remember hearing all the "Oohs and Aahs" out of camp last year were due to Harrison's crushing hits on RBs during tackle drills and pass blocking drills. He was even garnering praise from the O linemen for his strength and tenacity on the pass blocking drills. If he had started in place of Porter last year, I doubt we would have noticed the difference unless you like the pre-game trash-talk. Given the fact that he costs MUCH less, I say its the right move.
 
Harrison should be a good stopgap for a year or 2, but we need to get someone else either in this draft or next to be the future starter at that position. Harrison is much different than Porter...not nearly as good a pass rusher and his coverage skills are a bit suspect, but he's fantastic against the run and delivers huge hits, and he runs on pure emotion and adrenaline. So yea, he'll be good next year as the starter, but he doesn't have the skills to be a long-term answer.

 
I have a hard time believing that Porter is falling apart as some people may want to suggest. He missed 2 games due to injury this year but still ended up posting better or similar numbers than a year ago when he played 16 games. He had 56 total tackles, 10.5 sacks, and 2 ints in 2005 and 55, 7, & 2 in 2006(again, in two less games)

I will not be surprised at all when #55 puts up pro bowl type numbers again this year and for a few more years after that.

I just wanted to bring up the fact that he only played in 14 games this year because I have seen no mention of it elsewhere.

It is hard to place value on the leader of a team and we will just have to wait and see what the consequences will be for the steelers defense this year.

 
They'd better re-sign Polamalu(assuming I didn't miss it)

That D is gonna need a leader moreso than usual with a new coach. Same D cooridinator in Lebeau but it's still a necessity

 
Polo has one year left on his contract, this is usually the time when they re-up a long term contract. Troy will get signed this offseason.

 
I am going to miss J Peezy as much as any Stiller fan, however this was the right move to make in light of the fact that they are going to transition to a 4-3 eventually. Why pay Porter big money as a stop gap? The reality is that over the past 15 years or so they have been able to put just about anyone in their LB corps and get solid numbers.

Now that will all change with the switch to the 4-3. However I believe we can make the transition smoother than many people think and releasing Porter was only the first logical progression in the process.

The Steelers do business "their way" and it works. Year in and year out they are in the hunt for the playoffs and I doubt that will change under the new regime.

 
5steeler5 said:
I have a hard time believing that Porter is falling apart as some people may want to suggest. He missed 2 games due to injury this year but still ended up posting better or similar numbers than a year ago when he played 16 games. He had 56 total tackles, 10.5 sacks, and 2 ints in 2005 and 55, 7, & 2 in 2006(again, in two less games)

I will not be surprised at all when #55 puts up pro bowl type numbers again this year and for a few more years after that.

I just wanted to bring up the fact that he only played in 14 games this year because I have seen no mention of it elsewhere.

It is hard to place value on the leader of a team and we will just have to wait and see what the consequences will be for the steelers defense this year.
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Porter had 7 sacks in 14 games last season. In three of those games he had 2 sacks and in 1 game he had 1 sack. In 10 games he had 0 sacks. The Steelers lost 6 of those gamesIn half of the 14 games Porter played he had three tackles or less. In four of those games he had only 1 tackle and 0 sacks. There were just way too many games last season where Joey was a nonfactor.

Now I think Porter is still a good LB but he wanted an extension for big bucks which the Steelers were just not going to do. Had the Steelers not released Porter there is a good chance he would have held out or start voicing his displeasure to the media. I don't believe that all of this was worth a cap hit of $6.1 for just this one season.

I am sorry to see him go but I am a Steelers fan more than I am a Joey Porter fan. The best thing for the Steelers was to release him and use the cap space to sign Polamalu and/or Faneca.

 
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Godsbrother said:
5steeler5 said:
I have a hard time believing that Porter is falling apart as some people may want to suggest. He missed 2 games due to injury this year but still ended up posting better or similar numbers than a year ago when he played 16 games. He had 56 total tackles, 10.5 sacks, and 2 ints in 2005 and 55, 7, & 2 in 2006(again, in two less games)

I will not be surprised at all when #55 puts up pro bowl type numbers again this year and for a few more years after that.

I just wanted to bring up the fact that he only played in 14 games this year because I have seen no mention of it elsewhere.

It is hard to place value on the leader of a team and we will just have to wait and see what the consequences will be for the steelers defense this year.
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Porter had 7 sacks in 14 games last season. In three of those games he had 2 sacks and in 1 game he had 1 sack. In 10 games he had 0 sacks. The Steelers lost 6 of those gamesIn half of the 14 games Porter played he had three tackles or less. In four of those games he had only 1 tackle and 0 sacks. There were just way too many games last season where Joey was a nonfactor.

Now I think Porter is still a good LB but he wanted an extension for big bucks which the Steelers were just not going to do. Had the Steelers not released Porter there is a good chance he would have held out or start voicing his displeasure to the media. I don't believe that all of this was worth a cap hit of $6.1 for just this one season.

I am sorry to see him go but I am a Steelers fan more than I am a Joey Porter fan. The best thing for the Steelers was to release him and use the cap space to sign Polamalu and/or Faneca.
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Exactly. There were far too many important games where the pass rush and Porter were non-existent. I liked the guy a lot and didnt mind the trash talking too much, at least when it wasnt overdone or forced. I was even sadder to see Kirkland go but that was the right move then like this is the right move now.
 
TBLCommish said:
There were several factors into Porter's release:

1. His cap number

2. His age

3. New coach and system-Transition to 4-3

4. James Harrison-Younger, cheaper, faster

Not saying he wont be missed, but the way the Steelers do business will never change.

The Steelers have been a LB factory for years. It is the just like the Denver backfield, plug and play.
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:popcorn:
 
One thing I had to say is the steeler have had a history of cutting defensive players loose on the FA market and still being able to recover nicely. For years it seemed like they were letting someone go on defense.

Steelers will be fine. Joey, on the other hand, would be a nice fit in NE.

 
Jason Wood said:
I think career numbers are certainly not the way to look at this, but rather compare their more recent years and the circumstances that drove their stat sheets...Porter has for a long time been relied upon as THE pass rush specialist on the Steelers; that's his primary job. For that reason, you can understand his relatively uninspiring tackle totals (he's averaged 55 tackles over the last three years) in exchange for QB pressure. To that end, he's had 24.5 sacks in those three seasons.Now look at what AD's job is for the Ravens. He isn't their primary pass rusher, Terrell Suggs is their full-time rush 3-4 backer. AD is asked to adjust to a far greater number of assignments and schemes than Porter was in Pittsburgh. To put it in the simplest of terms, Thomas is more versatile. Thomas has 239 tackles over the last three season (80 per season) and, even though he's not a full time pass rusher, has 28 sacks (3.5 more than Porter).Combine all that with Thomas' better health and less volatile attitude, and I don't see how he's not a demonstrably better signing than Porter at this point in their respective careers.I'm NOT saying Porter can't and won't help a team if he's used appropriately, but AD can do anything the defensive coordinator asks, not the case for Porter.
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:lmao: AD can play about anywhere on the field, evident in '05 when a rash of injuries had Rex Ryan line AD up in every one of the 11 defensive positions---I'm not sure that's happened modern dayBB will have a field day w/this guy...not saying Porter suxor, because the guy has a nasty streak I luv in a player---just don't aggree w/OP that Porter>>>AD
 
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