Will Tom Brady's reputation suffer (2 Viewers)

[switz]

Seems like it's more and more evident when the Pats used Brady as just a game manager/Dilfer-type QB, they won, but no Super Bowl wins in 5 years, Brady has choked in the playoffs.., as his career goes on if they continue to struggle in the playoffs, will the credit Brady receives for the Pats bowls diminish? Will his reputation as clutch get tarnished?

 

[az_prof]

Seems like it's more and more evident when the Pats used Brady as just a game manager/Dilfer-type QB, they won, but no Super Bowl wins in 5 years, Brady has choked in the playoffs.., as his career goes on if they continue to struggle in the playoffs, will the credit Brady receives for the Pats bowls diminish? Will his reputation as clutch get tarnished?

Legitimate questions.I also wonder where the Moss haters are now? Welker didn't look so great and without Moss stretching the field this offense is pretty pedestrian.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Probably not much.

Three Super Bowls in four years, and his two Super Bowl MVP awards, can never be taken away.

And he has proven that he can put up top QB numbers in the regular season, with or without studs around him at the skill positions.

 

[timschochet]

Seems like it's more and more evident when the Pats used Brady as just a game manager/Dilfer-type QB, they won, but no Super Bowl wins in 5 years, Brady has choked in the playoffs.., as his career goes on if they continue to struggle in the playoffs, will the credit Brady receives for the Pats bowls diminish? Will his reputation as clutch get tarnished?

This is shtick, right? Or are you really comparing Tom Brady during his SB years to Trent Dilfer?Personally, I don't care about championships when it comes to evaluating quarterbacks. IMO, Tom Brady had his best year ever in 2010.

 

[Zegras11]

He just got outplayed by Sanchez

 

[harryhood]

Meanwhile, Mark Sanchez has now been victorious in 4 out of his first 5 playoff games. He has beaten Rivers, Manning and Brady in a span of two years(his first two). Much like Trent Dilfer proved, a stud QB is nice and shiny, and will fill up the seats at your home games. A defense is going to win you championships more times than not.

 

[Raider Nation]

no Super Bowl wins in 5 SIX years...

 

[smackdaddies]

He just got outplayed by Sanchez

mmm, the pats defense got outplayed by Sanchez. Not such a great feat since Matt Flynn almost did the same thing.If Sanchez had to face the Jets Defense he would of been shut out, less than 100 yards passing and in the end crying like a baby

 

[Da Guru]

He just got outplayed by Sanchez

Tomlinson, Greene, Holmes, Edwards,Cotchery,Keller. Pretty sure Brady could make that work.Undrafted RBs and and bunch of castoff WRs to be 14-2 is not bad. Sanchez in NE would be 6-10 at best and probably worse.

 

[Mello]

If tarnished means that he's not the indisputable best QB ever, yes. He could be average for every year for the rest of his career and he'll still be considered one of the best of all time though.

 

[Shawnky]

I'm not a big fan of him or Peyton, but I don't the point of these threads. They are dumb in my opinion. How can their reputation suffer? They both have championships. Favre only has one. Marino has 0. Tarkenton has 0. All of these guys are in the HOF or are going. How can their reputation get tarnished by never winning another title? Everyone is entitled to an opinion and has their own. No one is right or wrong. These threads seem like huge fishing trips to get people worked up over nothing.

 

[JohnnyU]

Why do we get these dumb "Will his reputation suffer" after a loss by a high profile QB? Some of the most shortsighted, mind numbing, knee jerk reactions ever in these threads. There are a lot of factors that go into greatest in case anyone needs to know this.

 

[PatsFanCT]

Seems like it's more and more evident when the Pats used Brady as just a game manager/Dilfer-type QB, they won, but no Super Bowl wins in 5 years, Brady has choked in the playoffs.., as his career goes on if they continue to struggle in the playoffs, will the credit Brady receives for the Pats bowls diminish? Will his reputation as clutch get tarnished?

This is shtick, right?

Yes, it's shtick. That's what switz does. It's best to just ignore him.

 

[whitem0nkey]

Probably not much. Three Super Bowls in four years, and his two Super Bowl MVP awards, can never be taken away. And he has proven that he can put up top QB numbers in the regular season, with or without studs around him at the skill positions.

New England Patriots under the regime of Bill Belichick is an organization of convicted cheaters. they robbed the game of 3 teams that would have won it legitimately. Belichick and all players involved should be banned from the NFL. like the they did with the "black sox"

 

[BobbyLayne]

If tarnished means that he's not the indisputable best QB ever, yes. He could be average for every year for the rest of his career and he'll still be considered one of the best of all time though.

Good exercise is to head over to PFR and look at the list of HoF QBs. With the exception of Otto Graham, Roger Staubach, and maybe a few others that are slipping my mind, they all had warts. Not 36 TD-4 INT 14-2 season but lost a playoff game warts, I'm talking took a big step down, stopping winning in the regular season, got shipped off to some lousy team to finish up.Brady is one of the best ever. You can never take away 3 rings in 4 years & 2 SB MVPs.

 

[cobalt_27]

If tarnished means that he's not the indisputable best QB ever, yes. He could be average for every year for the rest of his career and he'll still be considered one of the best of all time though.

Yes. But, the last few years have exposed him for being quite flawed, limited, and now it is fair to start calling him a choker in the playoffs. Good early run, Brady. Stick to your models and photoshoots....it's clearly more important than studying how to beat the Jets.

 

[PatsFanCT]

Probably not much. Three Super Bowls in four years, and his two Super Bowl MVP awards, can never be taken away. And he has proven that he can put up top QB numbers in the regular season, with or without studs around him at the skill positions.

New England Patriots under the regime of Bill Belichick is an organization of convicted cheaters. they robbed the game of 3 teams that would have won it legitimately. Belichick and all players involved should be banned from the NFL. like the they did with the "black sox"

I love this Shtick. Go ahead. Tell us how BB and the Pats cheated. Or don't, and keep posting Shtick. It's fun either way.

 

[Shawnky]

Yes. But, the last few years have exposed him for being quite flawed, limited, and now it is fair to start calling him a choker in the playoffs.

Wow, this sounds like the entire career of Peyton Manning.

 

[JohnnyU]

While he's given way too much credit for the 3 super bowls, he's not a choker, not even close to being that.

 

[Steelers4Life]

Does it matter that Tom Brady has never won a Super Bowl in a year that the Patriots didn't have a top-ranked defense?

 

[Shawnky]

Probably not much. Three Super Bowls in four years, and his two Super Bowl MVP awards, can never be taken away. And he has proven that he can put up top QB numbers in the regular season, with or without studs around him at the skill positions.

New England Patriots under the regime of Bill Belichick is an organization of convicted cheaters. they robbed the game of 3 teams that would have won it legitimately. Belichick and all players involved should be banned from the NFL. like the they did with the "black sox"

Whatever dude. They just got caught. There's no telling what other teams have done in the past. Stop pissing in the thread.

 

[PatsFanCT]

Does it matter that Tom Brady has never won a Super Bowl in a year that the Patriots didn't have a top-ranked defense?

Um... What?

 

[Ballstein]

These threads are dumb,

Who would you take 6 points down, 2 min left?

Montana, Elway, Marino

Brady? meh, not so much

This is what measures great qb's IMO

 

[lod01]

These threads are dumb,Who would you take 6 points down, 2 min left?Montana, Elway, MarinoBrady? meh, not so muchThis is what measures great qb's IMO

This one could be the dumbest of the dumb.

 

[Warrior]

He just got outplayed by Sanchez

Tomlinson, Greene, Holmes, Edwards,Cotchery,Keller. Pretty sure Brady could make that work.Undrafted RBs and and bunch of castoff WRs to be 14-2 is not bad. Sanchez in NE would be 6-10 at best and probably worse.

They (the coaches) decided to go with 'a bunch of castoff WRs' because they thought Brady didn't need any additional help.They were wrong.

 

[cobalt_27]

Yes. But, the last few years have exposed him for being quite flawed, limited, and now it is fair to start calling him a choker in the playoffs.

Wow, this sounds like the entire career of Peyton Manning.

The double-standard is somewhat confusing. Brady fans ripping Manning, but when their own guy chokes it away, the excuses seem to spill out all over these here pages.

 

[whitem0nkey]

Probably not much. Three Super Bowls in four years, and his two Super Bowl MVP awards, can never be taken away. And he has proven that he can put up top QB numbers in the regular season, with or without studs around him at the skill positions.

New England Patriots under the regime of Bill Belichick is an organization of convicted cheaters. they robbed the game of 3 teams that would have won it legitimately. Belichick and all players involved should be banned from the NFL. like the they did with the "black sox"

Whatever dude. They just got caught. There's no telling what other teams have done in the past. Stop pissing in the thread.

they just got caught?they are in the same group as Barry Bonds.no knowledgeable MLB fan will credit Bonds with the HR record, just like the Pats and the 3 robbed Superbowls.

 

[cobalt_27]

He just got outplayed by Sanchez

Tomlinson, Greene, Holmes, Edwards,Cotchery,Keller. Pretty sure Brady could make that work.Undrafted RBs and and bunch of castoff WRs to be 14-2 is not bad. Sanchez in NE would be 6-10 at best and probably worse.

They (the coaches) decided to go with 'a bunch of castoff WRs' because they thought Brady didn't need any additional help.They were wrong.

Revisionist history here. Seems like that was exactly what the Pats needed. Those two dominant TEs, plus Welker, Branch. They won a couple of games this year, if I recall. Seemed like it was just fine for them, then. Did they all choke tonight? Or was the Jesus having an off night on the biggest stage?

 

[Raider Nation]

This journey on the lake lasted about 28 more posts than I expected.

 

[JohnnyU]

Yes. But, the last few years have exposed him for being quite flawed, limited, and now it is fair to start calling him a choker in the playoffs.

Wow, this sounds like the entire career of Peyton Manning.

The double-standard is somewhat confusing. Brady fans ripping Manning, but when their own guy chokes it away, the excuses seem to spill out all over these here pages.

Even though I'm not ripping on Brady, I do agree with this except I don't think it is choking, just like I don't think it's choking for Manning either. It's comical in a way. When will some of you realize that football isn't like basketball where one or two guys (Jordan and Pippen) can win it for you. There is a lot more that comes into play in the NFL and that's why these type of threads are ridiculous.

 

[Steelers4Life]

Does it matter that Tom Brady has never won a Super Bowl in a year that the Patriots didn't have a top-ranked defense?

Um... What?

Go back and look at the rankings of the Patriots defense in each year they won the Super Bowl. In every one of them, it was a top 10 defense in PPG. I believe it was actually in the top 6 each year.Other QBs are knocked down a peg because they win on teams with great defenses.

 

[PatsFanCT]

Probably not much. Three Super Bowls in four years, and his two Super Bowl MVP awards, can never be taken away. And he has proven that he can put up top QB numbers in the regular season, with or without studs around him at the skill positions.

New England Patriots under the regime of Bill Belichick is an organization of convicted cheaters. they robbed the game of 3 teams that would have won it legitimately. Belichick and all players involved should be banned from the NFL. like the they did with the "black sox"

Whatever dude. They just got caught. There's no telling what other teams have done in the past. Stop pissing in the thread.

they just got caught?they are in the same group as Barry Bonds.no knowledgeable MLB fan will credit Bonds with the HR record, just like the Pats and the 3 robbed Superbowls.

You do know there's no such thing as Santa Clause, right? if not, I hate to be the one to break it to you.

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

Yes.

 

[Ookie Pringle]

The QB haters should have their own forum and given free diapers.

 

[Shawnky]

Yes. But, the last few years have exposed him for being quite flawed, limited, and now it is fair to start calling him a choker in the playoffs.

Wow, this sounds like the entire career of Peyton Manning.

The double-standard is somewhat confusing. Brady fans ripping Manning, but when their own guy chokes it away, the excuses seem to spill out all over these here pages.

Sorry you think you're confused. I'd say your more delusional. And for the record I can't stand either guy. It wouldn't matter to me if either one never played another game.

 

[Bayhawks]

Seems like it's more and more evident when the Pats used Brady as just a game manager/Dilfer-type QB, they won, but no Super Bowl wins in 5 years, Brady has choked in the playoffs.., as his career goes on if they continue to struggle in the playoffs, will the credit Brady receives for the Pats bowls diminish? Will his reputation as clutch get tarnished?

Absolutely not. He has won 3 SB, has put up some amazing statistical seasons, holds the single season passing TD record, has a GREAT winning percentage (regular season AND playoffs), and is a sure-fire Hall-of-Famer (barring some unexpected and unlikely non-football related incident that would prevent his induction).

 

[JohnnyU]

Seems like it's more and more evident when the Pats used Brady as just a game manager/Dilfer-type QB, they won, but no Super Bowl wins in 5 years, Brady has choked in the playoffs.., as his career goes on if they continue to struggle in the playoffs, will the credit Brady receives for the Pats bowls diminish? Will his reputation as clutch get tarnished?

Absolutely not. He has won 3 SB Adam Vinatieri and 3 strong defenses has won 3 SBs for Tom Brady, but Tom, has put up some amazing statistical seasons, holds the single season passing TD record, has a GREAT winning percentage (regular season AND playoffs), and is a sure-fire Hall-of-Famer (barring some unexpected and unlikely non-football related incident that would prevent his induction).

 

[Judge Smails]

No, Brady and Bellichick are secure in history. Nothing other than championships are acceptable. From a pure talent standpoint, the Jets are better on both sides of the ball. They should have won. But it takes a great coach to outmaneuver Bill B and a great D to overcome Brady - who looked merely mortal today. They are loaded for the draft - their run isn't over..

 

[drew726]

The only thing it stops are the ridiculous Joe Montana comparisons.

 

[Debeucci]

No. He bagged Giselle.

 

[Dr. Gobbler]

Yo, let's not forget that Adam Vinieteri is the reason why Brady has the number of rings he does.

 

[GoFishTN]

Seems like it's more and more evident when the Pats used Brady as just a game manager/Dilfer-type QB, they won, but no Super Bowl wins in 5 years, Brady has choked in the playoffs.., as his career goes on if they continue to struggle in the playoffs, will the credit Brady receives for the Pats bowls diminish? Will his reputation as clutch get tarnished?

Absolutely not. He has won 3 SB Adam Vinatieri and 3 strong defenses has won 3 SBs for Tom Brady, but Tom, has put up some amazing statistical seasons, holds the single season passing TD record, has a GREAT winning percentage (regular season AND playoffs), and is a sure-fire Hall-of-Famer (barring some unexpected and unlikely non-football related incident that would prevent his induction).

Somehow Vinatieri is always overlooked.

 

[ttiger72]

He will never be mentioned in the same breath as Joe Montana, who actually never lost a playoff game.

 

[timschochet]

He will never be mentioned in the same breath as Joe Montana, who actually never lost a playoff game.

fail

 

[ttiger72]

He will never be mentioned in the same breath as Joe Montana, who actually never lost a playoff game.

fail

 

[nxmehta]

HE WON THREE RINGS

GTFO

Honestly who starts threads like this? If Brady is a choker then pretty much any QB not named Otto Graham is a choking machine.

This thread is ABSURD

 

[Smack Tripper]

Brady is lucky to have three bowls, he's massively overrated.

Tuck rule B.S. and New England D wins the first one.

McNabb's heartless play costs the Eagles in the second one, as he limited the Eagles down the stretch while having some sort of panic attack.

Hell, even Viniteri won him his other bowl.

Great, Hall of Fame player, the numbers bear that out.

But Joe Montana, he is not, and I wouldn't even call him a winner. He's along for the ride. Nothing wrong with that, but guys like Montana and Aikman drove the bus.

Serioius question, one QB to win a game, would you rather Jim Kelly or Tom Brady?

 

[cvnpoka]

Yes. But, the last few years have exposed him for being quite flawed, limited, and now it is fair to start calling him a choker in the playoffs.

Wow, this sounds like the entire career of Peyton Manning.

The double-standard is somewhat confusing. Brady fans ripping Manning, but when their own guy chokes it away, the excuses seem to spill out all over these here pages.

its even more confusing when you factor that since brady has become elite, he has 0 rangzzz and some poor playoff exits. why, i just dont know what to make of it. maybe that consigning team achievements to the qb is a misguided approach.

 

[Aabye]

He will never be mentioned in the same breath as Joe Montana, who actually never lost a playoff game.

fail

Joe Montana lost 7 playoff games as a starter: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MontJo01.htm

 

[ttiger72]

He will never be mentioned in the same breath as Joe Montana, who actually never lost a playoff game.

fail

Joe Montana lost 7 playoff games as a starter: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MontJo01.htm

God forbid anyone use sarcasm to make a point, Tim. Please punch yourself in the head.