Will Vick get blackballed from the NFL? (1 Viewer)

[Hoss_Cartwright]

It's starting to look like no one wants anything to do with him. Personally, I think others have done far worse than Vick and are playing in the NFL, but I can see his situation heading in this direction. Recently there were rumors the 49ers were interested in Vick, but since have retracted. Other teams have publicly stated they have no interest in Vick. When will we start to hear racism as a reason?

 

[Da Guru]

It's starting to look like no one wants anything to do with him. Personally, I think others have done far worse than Vick and are playing in the NFL, but I can see his situation heading in this direction. Recently there was rumors the 49ers were interested in Vick, but since have retracted. Other teams have publicly stated they have no interest in Vick. When will we start to hear racism as a reason?

Racism? A NFL team would start a convicted terrorist at QB if he would get them a few more wins and threw a nice bomb.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

It's starting to look like no one wants anything to do with him. Personally, I think others have done far worse than Vick and are playing in the NFL, but I can see his situation heading in this direction. Recently there was rumors the 49ers were interested in Vick, but since have retracted. Other teams have publicly stated they have no interest in Vick. When will we start to hear racism as a reason?

Racism? A NFL team would start a convicted terrorist at QB if he would get them a few more wins and threw a nice bomb.

I know, but if the blackballed situation becomes evident, guys like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton will scream racism. I guess for some people killing animals is worse than beating women. Sad, but true.

 

[Godsbrother]

Someone will probably give him a chance although if I owned a team I wouldn't touch him. He has too much baggage and I never thought he was that good of a QB anyway.

 

[Spark026]

It seems that way now, but by the time he actually gets a chance to get back on the field it'll end up being one of those feel good stories of a man reformed, and the ratings for the game will be through the roof.

It's doubtful he gets a starting gig, but I think its likely probable that his NFL career on the field is not done yet. I could easily see a team using him for certain packages only to start. His success in a limited role will ultimately determine if he ever bcomes a true starter again.

 

[Aaronl5]

I thought he never panned out as a qb. He only seemed to be able to run well not pass.

 

[identikit]

It's starting to look like no one wants anything to do with him. Personally, I think others have done far worse than Vick and are playing in the NFL, but I can see his situation heading in this direction. Recently there were rumors the 49ers were interested in Vick, but since have retracted. Other teams have publicly stated they have no interest in Vick. When will we start to hear racism as a reason?

Even at a low asking price by the Falcons, who wants to take on his high salary for a player with so much risk?The interest, if any, will come after the Falcons cut him (which I believe will happen eventually). That way a team can sign him for the minimum.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

No.

Teams will wait for ATL to release Vick and then sign him as his current contract is not as cap friendly as it will be on the open market.

Owners have been more than willing to sign players that have some legal stink on them.

 

[Phurfur]

It's starting to look like no one wants anything to do with him. Personally, I think others have done far worse than Vick and are playing in the NFL, but I can see his situation heading in this direction. Recently there was rumors the 49ers were interested in Vick, but since have retracted. Other teams have publicly stated they have no interest in Vick. When will we start to hear racism as a reason?

Racism? A NFL team would start a convicted terrorist at QB if he would get them a few more wins and threw a nice bomb.

I know, but if the blackballed situation becomes evident, guys like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton will scream racism. I guess for some people killing animals is worse than beating women. Sad, but true.

If teams don't sign Vick it will not be because of his race or did his race change since the last time he played.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

It's starting to look like no one wants anything to do with him. Personally, I think others have done far worse than Vick and are playing in the NFL, but I can see his situation heading in this direction. Recently there was rumors the 49ers were interested in Vick, but since have retracted. Other teams have publicly stated they have no interest in Vick. When will we start to hear racism as a reason?

Racism? A NFL team would start a convicted terrorist at QB if he would get them a few more wins and threw a nice bomb.

I know, but if the blackballed situation becomes evident, guys like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton will scream racism. I guess for some people killing animals is worse than beating women. Sad, but true.

If teams don't sign Vick it will not be because of his race or did his race change since the last time he played.

I know it won't be about race, but Jesse and Al will say it is

 

[dmac37]

No. Teams will wait for ATL to release Vick and then sign him as his current contract is not as cap friendly as it will be on the open market. Owners have been more than willing to sign players that have some legal stink on them.

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

He doesn't need to be blackballed to not get another job.

 

[Jason Wood]

It's starting to look like no one wants anything to do with him. Personally, I think others have done far worse than Vick and are playing in the NFL, but I can see his situation heading in this direction. Recently there were rumors the 49ers were interested in Vick, but since have retracted. Other teams have publicly stated they have no interest in Vick. When will we start to hear racism as a reason?

I'm not sure how you can conclude that no one wants anything to do with him. Certainly no GM worth his salary would publicly acknowledge interest in acquiring the rights to a felon currently out of the league, that's just bad business. Every team understands that the Falcons have zero leverage here. They're not going to keep Vick on the active roster, especially with the fresh start and surprisingly strong 2008 showing. Teams will wait for Vick to be released and THEN get some sense from the commish as to what additional suspension, if any, he must serve. I would be shocked, absolutely shocked, if some team doesn't give him a shot once the dust settles.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

It's starting to look like no one wants anything to do with him. Personally, I think others have done far worse than Vick and are playing in the NFL, but I can see his situation heading in this direction. Recently there were rumors the 49ers were interested in Vick, but since have retracted. Other teams have publicly stated they have no interest in Vick. When will we start to hear racism as a reason?

I'm not sure how you can conclude that no one wants anything to do with him. Certainly no GM worth his salary would publicly acknowledge interest in acquiring the rights to a felon currently out of the league, that's just bad business. Every team understands that the Falcons have zero leverage here. They're not going to keep Vick on the active roster, especially with the fresh start and surprisingly strong 2008 showing. Teams will wait for Vick to be released and THEN get some sense from the commish as to what additional suspension, if any, he must serve. I would be shocked, absolutely shocked, if some team doesn't give him a shot once the dust settles.

You're probably right Jason. I have no reason to believe he will get blackballed except my gut feeling.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

he wont get blackballed

Goodell might just suspend him when he gets out again.

some owner will give him another chance though. wildcat!

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Any team that publicly states interest in Vick right now is tampering and subject to loss of draft picks. That's why the 49ers are backtracking today. Ironically they are the ones accused of tampering last year with Briggs and lost a draft pick for it.

 

[Adebisi]

If you don't think Dallas would give him a shot, you're crazy.

 

[Zoomanji]

It's starting to look like no one wants anything to do with him. Personally, I think others have done far worse than Vick and are playing in the NFL, but I can see his situation heading in this direction. Recently there was rumors the 49ers were interested in Vick, but since have retracted. Other teams have publicly stated they have no interest in Vick. When will we start to hear racism as a reason?

Racism? A NFL team would start a convicted terrorist at QB if he would get them a few more wins and threw a nice bomb.

I know, but if the blackballed situation becomes evident, guys like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton will scream racism. I guess for some people killing animals is worse than beating women. Sad, but true.

How many of those guys served a year or 2 of jail-time?There is more to this.

1- the length of time he was in jail and not working out

2- No one can say they are interested bc he is under contract

3- He stinks as a QB

4- He could be suspended by Goodell and there is the new rule about teams being penalized for player suspensions

After he is waived by ATL, some one will give him a shot. The question then is will public pressure force that team to drop him.

 

[comfortably numb]

Why would anyone who wants him, show any interest now?

No one is gonna trade for his contract.

Anyone with any interest in him will simply wait til he gets cut.

 

[eric rymer]

No. Teams will wait for ATL to release Vick and then sign him as his current contract is not as cap friendly as it will be on the open market. Owners have been more than willing to sign players that have some legal stink on them.

Exactly. Vick will get another shot. Teams have proven in the past that they will overlook players past's if they can play. He will not get traded by Atlanta with that huge contract he has. Maybe if Atl redid his deal to make him more 'trade friendly'. Most likely scenario is that he gets cut and someone will take a shot at him. I've never thought he was a good QB, but he is just a ridiculous athelete. We will see him again in the NFL.

 

[mudshark]

Why would anyone who wants him, show any interest now?No one is gonna trade for his contract.Anyone with any interest in him will simply wait til he gets cut.

The guy hasn't taken a meaningful snap in the NFL since December 2006. IF he's allowed back in the league this year, he will be picked up for a minimal contract. No one will know (including Vick) how much he has left until he's facing live competition again.

 

[bcr8f]

It's starting to look like no one wants anything to do with him. Personally, I think others have done far worse than Vick and are playing in the NFL, but I can see his situation heading in this direction. Recently there were rumors the 49ers were interested in Vick, but since have retracted. Other teams have publicly stated they have no interest in Vick. When will we start to hear racism as a reason?

That isn't blackballed. There's no conspiracy no one wants him because of all the baggage.

 

[twitch]

I fully expect he'll get another shot in the league, if not in '09 then next year. As long as Jerry Jones and Al Davis are NFL owners, guys like Vick will always be given a 2nd chance. And no matter how ugly any of us view what he did, the man has served his time. He deserves a shot at redemption.

 

[Ozymandias]

I don't think he will be Africanamericanballed. But he is a PR disaster in the making. It may well be that his crime is less than beating up women, or drunk driving, but it is far less likely that NOW or MADD would be picketing the stadium; PETA won't let people forget, and dog lovers holding up signs on TV, etc. etc. etc. And it will go on and on...

 

[twitch]

And of course the irony of all the picketing activists, the dog lovers, the mothers, PETA etc, would by and large be Christians (maybe Im wrong about that) who should fundamentally believe in forgiveness. So, the more those people line up and fly their flags, the more hypocritical it will look. It wont last forever. But it will suck at first. Vick is getting another chance. The man could probably step off that prison bus tomorrow and run a 4.35.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

I don't see how playing sports offers "redemption" for any crimes but if he's really serious about playing I'd like to see him donate his salary. And then not do any press conferences or interviews during the season.

 

[Phurfur]

If you don't think Dallas would give him a shot, you're crazy.

I don't know, I don't think JJ wants PETA demonstrating outside his new stadium.

 

[VTjkru]

I fully expect he'll get another shot in the league, if not in '09 then next year. As long as Jerry Jones and Al Davis are NFL owners, guys like Vick will always be given a 2nd chance. And no matter how ugly any of us view what he did, the man has served his time. He deserves a shot at redemption.

Why does his redemption have to be with the NFL? Are there no other jobs out there that this man can do? Or is it outrageous a company wouldnt want an employee back after the bad PR that he brought and wish him good luck in other endeavors.Fine, redemption, he paid his dues. There's more than the NFL for him.

 

[Jason Wood]

I fully expect he'll get another shot in the league, if not in '09 then next year. As long as Jerry Jones and Al Davis are NFL owners, guys like Vick will always be given a 2nd chance. And no matter how ugly any of us view what he did, the man has served his time. He deserves a shot at redemption.

Why does his redemption have to be with the NFL? Are there no other jobs out there that this man can do? Or is it outrageous a company wouldnt want an employee back after the bad PR that he brought and wish him good luck in other endeavors.Fine, redemption, he paid his dues. There's more than the NFL for him.

Is there? I mean that legitimately. Did Vick acquire an education that would allow him to be gainfully employed outside of using his off the charts athletic abilities? A lot of NFL athletes leverage their fame into other jobs after retirement, but given Vick's felony conviction as a dog killer, how many companies would benefit from using him in a PR/goodwill/marketing/sales role? Plus, Vick was decimated financially thanks to poor business decisions, so on top of not necessarily having another way to earn a living, he's gotten no benefit from his time already spent in the league.I would think that even the veteran minimum for a few years would be more financial income/security than he could garner in any other profession imaginable.

 

[twitch]

I don't see how playing sports offers "redemption" for any crimes but if he's really serious about playing I'd like to see him donate his salary. And then not do any press conferences or interviews during the season.

His road wont be easy. But "donate his salary"? Seriously? Why would you expect the man to give up more money after he's just very likely cost himself at the very least 30 million dollars??? Probably more like 50. He's served his time. He's thrown it all away. The key to the city, the throne, the fame, the life. He'll forever be tarished by this, and Im not even arguing undeservedly. But what else do we want? Kick him again and again while he's down? He's a football player. Its what he does. He probably has a maximum of 5 years left to play. If the league allows it, who are we to judge? I hate what he did. But Im not in the business of giving the guy a lifelong beatdown for a crime he's already paid for. Screw all the conditions. And by 'redemption' Im speaking of redeeming himself for himself and his family as much as anything. He doesnt really owe any of us anything. And I doubt they'll allow him to go back and make a difference in those dogs' lives.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

But there's no correlation. Like if Vick throws 50 TDs and wins the Super Bowl it has no bearing on moral redemption. It's just professional success.

 

[Phurfur]

I don't see how playing sports offers "redemption" for any crimes but if he's really serious about playing I'd like to see him donate his salary. And then not do any press conferences or interviews during the season.

His road wont be easy. But "donate his salary"? Seriously? Why would you expect the man to give up more money after he's just very likely cost himself at the very least 30 million dollars??? Probably more like 50. He's served his time. He's thrown it all away. The key to the city, the throne, the fame, the life. He'll forever be tarished by this, and Im not even arguing undeservedly. But what else do we want? Kick him again and again while he's down? He's a football player. Its what he does. He probably has a maximum of 5 years left to play. If the league allows it, who are we to judge? I hate what he did. But Im not in the business of giving the guy a lifelong beatdown for a crime he's already paid for. Screw all the conditions. And by 'redemption' Im speaking of redeeming himself for himself and his family as much as anything. He doesnt really owe any of us anything. And I doubt they'll allow him to go back and make a difference in those dogs' lives.

I think he would be great in the Area League.

 

[Bri]

As you know, a dog is often referred to as man's best friend. You're going to get heated passionate thoughts from some people that could border on irrational yet be a common opinion.

How many owners are dog lovers? How many of their team's fans are dog lovers?

I will never forget the outcry when the Giants drafted a kid that had some form of physical abuse toward a woman. To be general, imagine "so he beats a woman and you decide to pay him millions of dollars?" The Giants arranged for him to go thru counselling and public service and...well they wound up handling it very well. Initially though...wow.

I'll never forget the Chmura stuff. He was done in the NFL but Little still plays.

I'll never forget how someone wanted the jets to change their name as "ny jets" reminded them of Sept 11th and upset them greatly. I must've seen dozens of decent people try to react and write about that topic only to get hazed as being insensitive regardless of their efforts to the contrary.

(Like many) I can go on and on here

The public will eventually decide what happens to Vick and the owners will ultimately listen. It's too hard to guess on it now. Nothing makes a business owner change his way like lack of sales

 

[twitch]

But there's no correlation. Like if Vick throws 50 TDs and wins the Super Bowl it has no bearing on moral redemption. It's just professional success.

No arguments here. Redemption isnt always about morals.

 

[bcr8f]

And of course the irony of all the picketing activists, the dog lovers, the mothers, PETA etc, would by and large be Christians (maybe Im wrong about that) who should fundamentally believe in forgiveness. So, the more those people line up and fly their flags, the more hypocritical it will look. It wont last forever. But it will suck at first. Vick is getting another chance. The man could probably step off that prison bus tomorrow and run a 4.35.

This is just about the dumbest thing I have ever seen. Protesting animal torture is hypocritical?

 

[Carver]

The man already did way too much time in prison IMO. They (PETA and friends) should just let him be when he is released. He will have paid his debt to society. There is no reason he shouldnt be allowed back into the NFL so long as he is still able to play.

 

[Ozymandias]

The man already did way too much time in prison IMO. They (PETA and friends) should just let him be when he is released. He will have paid his debt to society. There is no reason he shouldnt be allowed back into the NFL so long as he is still able to play.

Yes, but he wasn't a very good passer at age 26, it is doubtful he'll be one at 29, after two years in the slammer. Yes, he's fast, and an elusive runner, but how successful he'd be as a route runner is unknown. So do you bring him on as a project at age 29. with all the baggage he has? I can see why an owner might decide to let someone else have that problem.

 

[twitch]

And of course the irony of all the picketing activists, the dog lovers, the mothers, PETA etc, would by and large be Christians (maybe Im wrong about that) who should fundamentally believe in forgiveness. So, the more those people line up and fly their flags, the more hypocritical it will look. It wont last forever. But it will suck at first. Vick is getting another chance. The man could probably step off that prison bus tomorrow and run a 4.35.

This is just about the dumbest thing I have ever seen. Protesting animal torture is hypocritical?

Did I say that? Sorry you took it that way. Clearly I was suggesting not forgiving a person and practicing Christianity would be the hypocrisy. In no way do I support animal torture. You really need to tighten up your analyses.

 

[Carver]

The man already did way too much time in prison IMO. They (PETA and friends) should just let him be when he is released. He will have paid his debt to society. There is no reason he shouldnt be allowed back into the NFL so long as he is still able to play.

Yes, but he wasn't a very good passer at age 26, it is doubtful he'll be one at 29, after two years in the slammer. Yes, he's fast, and an elusive runner, but how successful he'd be as a route runner is unknown. So do you bring him on as a project at age 29. with all the baggage he has? I can see why an owner might decide to let someone else have that problem.

Yeah... I was speaking more to the baggage, not his playing ability. That's why I said "if he is able to play", because obviously (for reasons you pointed out) that is still an unknown at this point.

 

[fatness]

When will we start to hear racism as a reason?

I know, but if the blackballed situation becomes evident, guys like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton will scream racism.

I know it won't be about race, but Jesse and Al will say it is

The next time you want to start a thread about race, how about doing it in the FFA, Hoss?

 

[Bill S]

Personally, I am excited at the prospect of Mick being back in the NFL. He is an electrifying talent and I hope to get to see him play agains sooner rather than later.

As for the moral side: He went to jail, paid his time, and now should be free to do what he wants. That is what the judicial system is there for. People make mistakes, it doesn't mean that they should have to forfeit their entire life.

 

[moderated]

Personally, I am excited at the prospect of Mick being back in the NFL. He is an electrifying talent and I hope to get to see him play agains sooner rather than later.As for the moral side: He went to jail, paid his time, and now should be free to do what he wants. That is what the judicial system is there for. People make mistakes, it doesn't mean that they should have to forfeit their entire life.

he should be universally forgiven and allowed to entertain us once again.The NFL as a whole is a better place with Mike Vick in it.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Personally, I am excited at the prospect of Mick being back in the NFL. He is an electrifying talent and I hope to get to see him play agains sooner rather than later.As for the moral side: He went to jail, paid his time, and now should be free to do what he wants. That is what the judicial system is there for. People make mistakes, it doesn't mean that they should have to forfeit their entire life.

he should be universally forgiven and allowed to entertain us once again.The NFL as a whole is a better place with Mike Vick in it.

I agree, he's paid for his crime, and paid for it too much IMO.

 

[mudshark]

Personally, I am excited at the prospect of Mick being back in the NFL. He is an electrifying talent and I hope to get to see him play agains sooner rather than later.As for the moral side: He went to jail, paid his time, and now should be free to do what he wants. That is what the judicial system is there for. People make mistakes, it doesn't mean that they should have to forfeit their entire life.

he should be universally forgiven and allowed to entertain us once again.The NFL as a whole is a better place with Mike Vick in it.

How does anyone know what the current MVick is like? I think most of the discussion has been about his value and his current contract. Not too many owners seem to be willing to take a chance on him with his current contract. By the time he takes the field again it will be over 2 1/2 years since he took a meaningful snap. He *was* entertaining. Who knows now. He can be forgiven and brought back to the NFL but that doesn't mean the NFL will be better for it.

 

[coolnerd]

The man already did way too much time in prison IMO. They (PETA and friends) should just let him be when he is released. He will have paid his debt to society. There is no reason he shouldnt be allowed back into the NFL so long as he is still able to play.

Yes, but he wasn't a very good passer at age 26, it is doubtful he'll be one at 29, after two years in the slammer. Yes, he's fast, and an elusive runner, but how successful he'd be as a route runner is unknown. So do you bring him on as a project at age 29. with all the baggage he has? I can see why an owner might decide to let someone else have that problem.

The "Wildcat" formation maybe the savior of his career. Better passer than most of the RB/Wrs thrown back there and even downgraded from his peek, I am guessing that still a quality run threat.

 

[Phurfur]

And of course the irony of all the picketing activists, the dog lovers, the mothers, PETA etc, would by and large be Christians (maybe Im wrong about that) who should fundamentally believe in forgiveness. So, the more those people line up and fly their flags, the more hypocritical it will look. It wont last forever. But it will suck at first. Vick is getting another chance. The man could probably step off that prison bus tomorrow and run a 4.35.

This is just about the dumbest thing I have ever seen. Protesting animal torture is hypocritical?

Did I say that? Sorry you took it that way. Clearly I was suggesting not forgiving a person and practicing Christianity would be the hypocrisy. In no way do I support animal torture. You really need to tighten up your analyses.

You don't have a clue if the majority of PETA members are practicing Christians. You have no business making this statement without proof. Practicing Christians are more concerned about your soul that your dog.

 

[Jeremy]

Even after he's cut and Goodell considers it time served, I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't any demand for him. He'll have been out of the league for a couple years, he'd be a PR nightmare, and he's not that good.

As Jim Mora said, he's a coach killer. Every offensive coordinator in the league has a philosophy or a plan of how they think a good offense should be run. Vick fits nobody's system. I don't think people are going to want to completely change their offense for an ex-con who hasn't played in 2 years.

 

[awesomeness]

In case anyone was wondering the Winnepeg Bluebombers have his rights if Vick decides to come to the CFL...

 

[Adebisi]

And of course the irony of all the picketing activists, the dog lovers, the mothers, PETA etc, would by and large be Christians (maybe Im wrong about that) who should fundamentally believe in forgiveness. So, the more those people line up and fly their flags, the more hypocritical it will look. It wont last forever. But it will suck at first. Vick is getting another chance. The man could probably step off that prison bus tomorrow and run a 4.35.

This is just about the dumbest thing I have ever seen. Protesting animal torture is hypocritical?

Did I say that? Sorry you took it that way. Clearly I was suggesting not forgiving a person and practicing Christianity would be the hypocrisy. In no way do I support animal torture. You really need to tighten up your analyses.

You don't have a clue if the majority of PETA members are practicing Christians. You have no business making this statement without proof. Practicing Christians are more concerned about your soul that your dog.

You guys are clearly missing the point he was trying to make.

 

[Adebisi]

I fully expect he'll get another shot in the league, if not in '09 then next year. As long as Jerry Jones and Al Davis are NFL owners, guys like Vick will always be given a 2nd chance. And no matter how ugly any of us view what he did, the man has served his time. He deserves a shot at redemption.

Why does his redemption have to be with the NFL? Are there no other jobs out there that this man can do? Or is it outrageous a company wouldnt want an employee back after the bad PR that he brought and wish him good luck in other endeavors.Fine, redemption, he paid his dues. There's more than the NFL for him.

Is there? I mean that legitimately. Did Vick acquire an education that would allow him to be gainfully employed outside of using his off the charts athletic abilities? A lot of NFL athletes leverage their fame into other jobs after retirement, but given Vick's felony conviction as a dog killer, how many companies would benefit from using him in a PR/goodwill/marketing/sales role? Plus, Vick was decimated financially thanks to poor business decisions, so on top of not necessarily having another way to earn a living, he's gotten no benefit from his time already spent in the league.I would think that even the veteran minimum for a few years would be more financial income/security than he could garner in any other profession imaginable.

I haven't been following the specifics, but I believe his bankruptcy case is predicated largely, if not entirely, on his ability to come back to the NFL and make a lot of money.