Will Vick get blackballed from the NFL? (1 Viewer)

[Kurt Wagner]

He may have already been blackballed in prison.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

He may have already been blackballed in prison.

So you don't think other prisoners were afraid of catching his herpes? I doubt they practice safe sex in prison.

 

[Adebisi]

The man already did way too much time in prison IMO. They (PETA and friends) should just let him be when he is released. He will have paid his debt to society. There is no reason he shouldnt be allowed back into the NFL so long as he is still able to play.

Yes, but he wasn't a very good passer at age 26, it is doubtful he'll be one at 29, after two years in the slammer. Yes, he's fast, and an elusive runner, but how successful he'd be as a route runner is unknown. So do you bring him on as a project at age 29. with all the baggage he has? I can see why an owner might decide to let someone else have that problem.

The "Wildcat" formation maybe the savior of his career. Better passer than most of the RB/Wrs thrown back there and even downgraded from his peek, I am guessing that still a quality run threat.

I'm not sure that it will help him. It really won't be any different than having him in at QB, will it? My understanding is that the wildcat is based off of having in a normal personnel package and then moving your QB out to WR. The QB is normally bigger than the CB who is stuck out there defending, and that gives you a blocking advantage when you run the other WR on a reverse. The defense has to shift over to compensate and that opens up additional holes for the RB to run it up the middle.If you put Vick at QB in a wildcat, is that really any different than having him doing QB draws from a shotgun formation like he's done throughout his career? You haven't done anything to create that personnel mismatch on the outside that the wildcat is made to exploit.

I think most people are saying Vick would be replacing the back/receiver that takes the snap in the wildcat, not the QB. So if you want the QB to still be on the field he can be, but if you're really just looking for a blocking advantage on the outside, wouldnt you be better served with a TE, any TE?

was wondering the same thing. Is the purpose of the QB, really to run block out there?

The main benefit of the wildcat is not so you'll have a QB blocking a CB - that is ridiculous.

 

[CanadianNFLJunkie]

Never read all the thread but I'd think the question should be, will Vick be suspended by the NFL or not? Too many people think he won't but why? He outright lied to Goddell about his crimes. I think he'll be suspended, (and he should be) for at least a year, we all see how well he lives in society again and if he keeps clean then he could play for someone in 2010. Would I want him on my team, (the Vikings who need a QB), NO, never.

 

[thayman]

I could see the league give him a suspension of a season with the caveat of keeping clean for that year before allowing him to be eligible for play again. Didn't they do something similar with Chris Henry? At that point I could see some team sign him for a one year league minimum contract and see how things work out.

Why should the league suspend him? Hasn't he served his time? Also, the time served didn't fit the crime IMO.

That sentence was completely ridiculous.

When you consider what people have done to other humans and served less time, yes, the punishment didn't fit the crime. Hey, I'm a dog lover and have always owned one, but come on now, look at what people do and don't serve time for it. How long has Vick served? Maybe a few months in prison would have sufficed.

He wasn't punished for anything to do with dogs. Several months ago there was a great thread here about how Vick is actually in jail for rackateering{sp?} and gambling across state lines or some such like that.

 

[mudshark]

I could see the league give him a suspension of a season with the caveat of keeping clean for that year before allowing him to be eligible for play again. Didn't they do something similar with Chris Henry? At that point I could see some team sign him for a one year league minimum contract and see how things work out.

Why should the league suspend him? Hasn't he served his time? Also, the time served didn't fit the crime IMO.

That sentence was completely ridiculous.

When you consider what people have done to other humans and served less time, yes, the punishment didn't fit the crime. Hey, I'm a dog lover and have always owned one, but come on now, look at what people do and don't serve time for it. How long has Vick served? Maybe a few months in prison would have sufficed.

He wasn't punished for anything to do with dogs. Several months ago there was a great thread here about how Vick is actually in jail for rackateering{sp?} and gambling across state lines or some such like that.

Forget all the details now but according to CNN, he plead guilty to Federal dog fighting conspiracy charges. Maybe there were other charges later.http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/08/27/michael.vick/index.html

 

[GregR_2]

The man already did way too much time in prison IMO. They (PETA and friends) should just let him be when he is released. He will have paid his debt to society. There is no reason he shouldnt be allowed back into the NFL so long as he is still able to play.

Yes, but he wasn't a very good passer at age 26, it is doubtful he'll be one at 29, after two years in the slammer. Yes, he's fast, and an elusive runner, but how successful he'd be as a route runner is unknown. So do you bring him on as a project at age 29. with all the baggage he has? I can see why an owner might decide to let someone else have that problem.

The "Wildcat" formation maybe the savior of his career. Better passer than most of the RB/Wrs thrown back there and even downgraded from his peek, I am guessing that still a quality run threat.

I'm not sure that it will help him. It really won't be any different than having him in at QB, will it? My understanding is that the wildcat is based off of having in a normal personnel package and then moving your QB out to WR. The QB is normally bigger than the CB who is stuck out there defending, and that gives you a blocking advantage when you run the other WR on a reverse. The defense has to shift over to compensate and that opens up additional holes for the RB to run it up the middle.If you put Vick at QB in a wildcat, is that really any different than having him doing QB draws from a shotgun formation like he's done throughout his career? You haven't done anything to create that personnel mismatch on the outside that the wildcat is made to exploit.

I think most people are saying Vick would be replacing the back/receiver that takes the snap in the wildcat, not the QB. So if you want the QB to still be on the field he can be, but if you're really just looking for a blocking advantage on the outside, wouldnt you be better served with a TE, any TE?

was wondering the same thing. Is the purpose of the QB, really to run block out there?

The main benefit of the wildcat is not so you'll have a QB blocking a CB - that is ridiculous.

No, you're right, I did a poor job in my original post. It is a benefit for running the WR sweep which you see both done and faked a lot, but I overstated it. Another benefit of it is that you don't have your 11th player (your QB) standing back there handing off the ball and not otherwise helping the ball be advanced. Everyone on the team is blocking or advancing the ball so it lets you play 11 on 11 instead of playing 10 on 11 on a running. That part would help out Vick, but I don't think it is really any different than what he's been doing all along with the QB runs they call for him.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

As Jim Mora said, he's a coach killer.

Jim Mora Sr took a ton of static for that quote.2006...

Falcons | Mora's father criticizes M. VickSun, 19 Nov 2006 08:36:42 -0800ESPN reports former NFL head coach Jim Mora Sr. criticized Atlanta Falcons QB Michael Vick and called him a "coach killer." Falcons head coach Jim Mora claimed he doesn't listen to what his father says and believes Vick is one of the most overanalyzed quarterbacks in the league.