The Captain
Footballguy
Exact same reaction I had to my J&J shot in April. Not a fun night but I’ll do it all again when my turn for a booster comes.
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Will you get a Covid vaccine when available? (2 Viewers)
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Nathan R. Jessep
Footballguy
Tons of them. Happening every day right here in my town. They've set up a separate infusion clinic right across from the hospital here to help with the influx of sick folks.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I know neither of you are doctors but how similar is the vaccine vs. monoclonal antibody treatments? Is the mechanism similar enough to make the idea of taking one and not the other crazy?
Nathan R. Jessep
Footballguy
My understanding of the infusion treatment is that it loads you up with pre-made antibodies which immediately attack the virus cells, whereas the vaccine teaches your body which antibodies to create in order to defend from future virus cells it may encounter. And if you get the infusion, I believe you are supposed to wait 90-days or some such period before getting a vaccine dose. Similar to what they recommend for getting vaccinated after an infection.
Nathan R. Jessep
Footballguy
this prob better answers your question, @AAABatteries
https://www.uab.edu/news/health/item/12241-five-questions-about-monoclonal-antibodies
https://www.uab.edu/news/health/item/12241-five-questions-about-monoclonal-antibodies
The Commish
Footballguy
This question I've asked directly at least a dozen times in these threads...NONE of them have answered.
The Commish
Footballguy
In one treatment, you are loaded with manufactured antibodies. In the other your body is given instruction to target a protein and create antibodies against it. They are easily similar enough to compare.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
With the vaccine being more natural as your body is producing the immune response.
The Commish
Footballguy
It's similar to "Give the guy a fish" vs "Teach him how to fish". The antibody treatment is giving him the fish. The vaccine is teaching him how to fish.
Doug B
Footballguy
And the Regeneron monoclonal antibodies treatment is also in use under an FDA emergency authorization. As if that matters, but many people were dug in on that point with the vaccines.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
I think the deal is that when one is thinking about whether to get the vax, they think that they won't get infected, i.e. the threat is not real to them. When they think about the antibody treatment, they are already sick, and therefore, the threat is real and present.
Nathan R. Jessep
Footballguy
I had a similar response typed up, and it morphed into me ranting (at the general public, not at AAA), so I deleted it
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belljr
Footballguy
I know it's been answered but they are both lab made, and infection into your body. You can actually get a shot in your stomach over IV. I guess the small argument could be the "fetal cell line" stuff....but still not dead fetuses
>>Hospitals continue to tell Local 10 News the vast majority of COVID patients in their care are unvaccinated.
“Before we intubate them, almost their last words are begging us for a vaccine,” said Michelle Benitez, an ICU nurse at Memorial Hospital Pembroke. But at that point “the damage is done.”<<
The number of hospitalized COVID patients in the Miami area has peaked and been declining for the past 5 days. But deaths could be lagging.
>>Jackson Health System, for example, said they reported 35 COVID-19 deaths in June. So far in August, there have been 203 COVID deaths systemwide, a nearly 500% increase.<<
South Florida hospitals have coolers ready as temporary morgues as COVID deaths increase
“Before we intubate them, almost their last words are begging us for a vaccine,” said Michelle Benitez, an ICU nurse at Memorial Hospital Pembroke. But at that point “the damage is done.”<<
The number of hospitalized COVID patients in the Miami area has peaked and been declining for the past 5 days. But deaths could be lagging.
>>Jackson Health System, for example, said they reported 35 COVID-19 deaths in June. So far in August, there have been 203 COVID deaths systemwide, a nearly 500% increase.<<
South Florida hospitals have coolers ready as temporary morgues as COVID deaths increase
The Commish
Footballguy
Probably the most enlightening thing to me in this whole fiasco. I'd say less than half the people in this country understand how vaccines work and what they are meant to do. That's pretty shocking to me.jobarules said:
The Z Machine
Footballguy
DallasDMac
Footballguy
If only there was a way to find out other than the hearsay on Facebook and Twitter. Sorry, but you can't protect people from their own ignorance.
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Terminalxylem
Footballguy
A large chunk don’t. And that’s not exclusive to anti-vax people, many who got the shot have no idea.jobarules said:
Sit an open minded unvaccinated person down with someone who is educated and willing to answer questions in a respectful way and you’re gonna get more people vaccinated. Many feel that they are being talked down to or simply just told they need to get it.
Dwayne Hoover
Footballguy
Yeah, I think this is true. Getting sick changes the equation a bit although they may need to get really sick before they realize they needed something
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All you need to know about the pandemic is the demand for Ivermectin from sketchy sources since health officials have come out against using it.
You’ve got the people refusing a vaccine but taking livestock medication because they were told not to.
Then you have the media pushing the horse de-wormer story while ignoring that there are many legitimate uses for Ivermectin in humans. It’s a very useful drug but there’s nothing to suggest it would be effective against a virus. But instead of talking about that, they go with the sensationalized story and push people to believe that the media is hiding a cure.
You’ve got the people refusing a vaccine but taking livestock medication because they were told not to.
Then you have the media pushing the horse de-wormer story while ignoring that there are many legitimate uses for Ivermectin in humans. It’s a very useful drug but there’s nothing to suggest it would be effective against a virus. But instead of talking about that, they go with the sensationalized story and push people to believe that the media is hiding a cure.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
People cant handle being told they have to do something.
Heck people cant even handle being told they SHOULD do something.
People would rather do things even though all logical and scientific rationale says they shouldnt.
Thats why this Covid way of life will be with us for quite some time. Maybe forever.
Heck people cant even handle being told they SHOULD do something.
People would rather do things even though all logical and scientific rationale says they shouldnt.
Thats why this Covid way of life will be with us for quite some time. Maybe forever.
Senor Schmutzig
Footballguy
That kind of thinking (not specific to science however) started in the 60's in Haight Ashbury and has been present ever since, right?
beer 30
Footballguy
Can you tell when the chip is activated or is just on straight out of the box? I've been waiting for some kind of jolt or vibration or something to tell me it's working but nothing so far.
Development of the vaccines used stem cells taken from dead babies in the 70's. You're supporting killing babies by getting the shot.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
skol asylum
Footballguy
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Got my 3rd shot 
Capella
Footballguy
I can’t even begin to think about how much I would actually pay to get my son the shot right now.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
gianmarco
Footballguy
Yes!!
Wife just told me the youngest woke up and is complaining of her armpit hurting when she got the shot. Thrilled.
Other one is still sleeping so I'm hoping she's miserable this morning!
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
beer 30
Footballguy
Not to mention the added peace of mind knowing you can ping that chip anytime and know where they are
gianmarco
Footballguy
Older daughter is +/-. Initially woke up and was feeling fine. Didn't complain of much. Then she complained her arm was a bit sore where the shot was. I checked and it was a bit tender over and around the site. I wouldn't expect that with just saline but it's possible. She's not really sore anywhere else.
If I had to guess, I think she got it, but not as sure about it as with my youngest that I'd wager a large amount that she did get it.
Hoping approval for all kids in this age group comes soon so it doesn't matter.
I was part of a discussion on a pharmacy staff Facebook page about alternative drugs used in COVID, starting with fluvoxamine and of course went into the others. It gave a pretty clear example of how disinformation gets spread.
OP: I do think it (Ivermectin) saved my brothers life.
Respondant 1: Did he also get steroids because I’ve seen them used together.
OP: He received dexamethasone in the hospital and his O2 stats continued to fall until he got budesonide. He didn’t get ivermectin in the hospital, he took it and a Z-Pak after he was diagnosed.
Respondant 2: Sounds like he improved after the steroids, why did you say Ivermectin saved his life?
OP: I didn’t say that. All I’m saying is that the drug regimen helped him. The ivermectin helped keep him from going downhill too quickly. There are studies showing it’s effective.
Respondant 2: No you did give Ivermectin the credit. And didn’t he need to be hospitalized?
OP: Well it’s just my opinion, I never said it was based on scientific evidence. It’s safe to take, so what’s the harm?
Respondant 2: Well the harm is that you said it saved his life and you’re a medical professional and people will assume your statement is based on scientific evidence. And someone might seek vet products to ‘save their life’ if they can’t get a prescription.
OP: Well I’d never recommend using livestock products and I haven’t posted anything about it to the general public. (A check of her Facebook showed her making several posts about it)
It went quickly from saving his life to what could it hurt. But the only part most will see is the saving of his life and not any of the background information.
OP: I do think it (Ivermectin) saved my brothers life.
Respondant 1: Did he also get steroids because I’ve seen them used together.
OP: He received dexamethasone in the hospital and his O2 stats continued to fall until he got budesonide. He didn’t get ivermectin in the hospital, he took it and a Z-Pak after he was diagnosed.
Respondant 2: Sounds like he improved after the steroids, why did you say Ivermectin saved his life?
OP: I didn’t say that. All I’m saying is that the drug regimen helped him. The ivermectin helped keep him from going downhill too quickly. There are studies showing it’s effective.
Respondant 2: No you did give Ivermectin the credit. And didn’t he need to be hospitalized?
OP: Well it’s just my opinion, I never said it was based on scientific evidence. It’s safe to take, so what’s the harm?
Respondant 2: Well the harm is that you said it saved his life and you’re a medical professional and people will assume your statement is based on scientific evidence. And someone might seek vet products to ‘save their life’ if they can’t get a prescription.
OP: Well I’d never recommend using livestock products and I haven’t posted anything about it to the general public. (A check of her Facebook showed her making several posts about it)
It went quickly from saving his life to what could it hurt. But the only part most will see is the saving of his life and not any of the background information.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
But it saved his life, QED.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
culdeus
Footballguy
Same things happened with HCQ. In a disease with a low IFR as it is you need a gigantic study size to show an effect, in the early part the IFR was higher so just finding out that simply proning people reduced the IFR by an order of magnitude. Those variables were not always teased out well so it looked like HCQ was a godsend.
HCQ though had a head start as it was tested late cycle in some of the SARS stuff.
It's still amazing that people will take something that is nearly certain proven not to work, vs. something that plain as day is.
The pandemic of the stupid.
HCQ though had a head start as it was tested late cycle in some of the SARS stuff.
It's still amazing that people will take something that is nearly certain proven not to work, vs. something that plain as day is.
The pandemic of the stupid.
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
So you can get the 3rd one if you are one of the narrow group of compromised people. If you fall into the next category of high risk, has anyone heard when you would be eligible?
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I will inject motor oil into my veins if it could mean I dont have to wear a mask 12 hours a day at work anymore.
It’s really two different reasons. The people with severe immunocompromised don’t get the full effect from just 2 shots and need a 3rd. Everyone else the 3rd shot is for waning immunity.
There are a couple stories out today that people at the FDA and CDC are not on board with the booster plan, so it’s tough to tell what’s going to happen.
My brother's doctor told him he's not fully convinced on the 3rd shot either. He said the 2 shots should suffice.
I think a more balanced recommendation of high risk people would be more appropriate. The making it up as they go approach isn’t a great look.
