The Man With No Name
Footballguy
I've had 3 Pfizer shots. Type 1 diabetic.Leeroy Jenkins said:
First one March 11
Second one April 2
3rd one August 31
So less than 6 monts after first. No problems
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Will you get a Covid vaccine when available? (2 Viewers)
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First one March 11
Second one April 2
3rd one August 31
So less than 6 monts after first. No problems
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Because they are selfish stupid idiots. Simple as that. My sister is a doctor and she’s sick of it. She told me that recently (due to the current spike) that she’s blunt now, not sympathetic. If patients ask about what they can do, outside of the vaccine, she tells them to get the vaccine or you might die. All non-quack doctors are probably numb now. If you don’t want to do the easy thing to avoid getting sick and maybe dying, then stay at home, take Ivermectin and see if you don’t die but stop wasting other people’s time.
It’s too bad that hospitals can’t just wheel these people out to the car and work on real patients.
That sucked for @-fish- but I think you are wondering the wrong thing. If I were him, I’d be wondering if I would have died if I hadn’t gotten the vaccine. Even pre-vaccine there were lots of asymptomatic people and people who had horrible experiences and/or death. I’d think he was much more on the severe reaction side and I’d be very happy that I got vaccinated and was still alive.
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Insoxicated
Bingo.
If you got vaccinated and still had a rough case of COVID... the vaccine didn't fail you, it likely saved your ####### life
And in a world where Advil is $50 a pill, it was FREE.
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Zegras11
Footballguy
Daughter's doctors have told her flat out she would have been in ICU if she was not fully vaxxed. The vax very much helps prevent the huge storm that rips apart your lungs.Bingo.
If you got vaccinated and still had a rough case of COVID... the vaccine didn't fail you, it likely saved your ####### life
And in a world where Advil is $50 a pill, it was FREE.
-fish-
Footballguy
Exactly. I have a fully functioning immune system and the vaccine did what it was supposed to do--it mitigated an outcome which would undoubtedly have been worse. I don't mean to overplay the severity; I was not hospitalized and was able to monitor my status at home and report to my PCP. But it was not pleasant and had it gotten worse he was going to send me to the hospital. The reasonable assumption is that since my experience bordered on hospitalization, without the vaccine I would have required additional care and I most likely would have had a longer and more unpleasant illness and recovery.
At about 40 days out from my first symptoms I can take a walk without being exhausted.
There are a couple people on these forums that point at someone vaccinated getting Covid and conclude that the vaccines don't work. They don't seem to understand how a vaccine works. It doesn't make you invulnerable. But you are likely to have a smaller viral load, resulting in less duration and severity.
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
This is good to know at a Type 1 as well., I was wondering if I would be able to get the 3rd one yet. I had Moderna so we will see what happens.
DallasDMac
Footballguy
Thanks for that. I know doctors take the oath, but I honestly wondered where they were at by this point. It has to weigh on you, and how long can you care about someone who doesn't even care about themselves? I'm not surprised to hear they are indeed becoming numb to it.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
At this point, I'm assuming that anybody who claims not to understand this is just spouting whatever today's talking points happen to be. This has been explained to people over and over again for months, by folks of varying degrees of patience. There are maybe one or two anti-vax folks who I think are probably arguing in good faith, but we all know the guys who aren't.
We had two vaccinated people die in our county. They were both over 80, but now according to Facebook the vaccines don't work and you should trust your immune system. We are only 33% vaccinated and it will only go up a little once children can get the shot.
gianmarco
Footballguy
This is an older article, but just came across this.
12 anti-vaccine accounts responsible for 65% of disinformation about vaccines
Like some in this forum like to say, just follow the money.
"A small group of individuals use your platforms to downplay the dangers of COVID-19 and spread misinformation about the safety of vaccines," the group said, citing CCDH's report. "These individuals lack medical expertise and are often motivated by financial interests."
12 anti-vaccine accounts responsible for 65% of disinformation about vaccines
Like some in this forum like to say, just follow the money.
"A small group of individuals use your platforms to downplay the dangers of COVID-19 and spread misinformation about the safety of vaccines," the group said, citing CCDH's report. "These individuals lack medical expertise and are often motivated by financial interests."
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Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
gianmarco
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I know a guy who had his seat belt on and he still died in a car accident. Seat belts are pointless, they don't work.
Senor Schmutzig
Footballguy
I'm still amazed that up until a week or so ago Miami metro area (Miami-Dade, Broward and Palm Beach counties) was the highest vaccinated metro area (over 1m people) in the United States at 77% of people having at least 1 dose. Only San Jose Metro is higher at 79%.
Miami Dade County by itself is the most-vaccinated county over 100k people, and number #10 overall with an 87% vaccination rate.
Depending on who you ask, we haven't done a lot of things right here in South Florida in general and/or relating to COVID-19 specifically, but avoiding the vaccine isn't one of them.
Covidactnow.org
Miami Dade County by itself is the most-vaccinated county over 100k people, and number #10 overall with an 87% vaccination rate.
Depending on who you ask, we haven't done a lot of things right here in South Florida in general and/or relating to COVID-19 specifically, but avoiding the vaccine isn't one of them.
Covidactnow.org
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ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Miami-Dade has done a good job of vaccinating (largely because our mayor has made it such a priority), but I saw somewhere that the numbers have clearly been skewed by vaccine tourists. So you can't do a straight percentage calculation of the population, because there are people included in the numerator who aren't in the denominator.
Senor Schmutzig
Footballguy
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
I can't remember the exact stat that I saw, but it was some demographic slice that actually had a vax rate of more than 100%.
gianmarco
Footballguy
jm192
Footballguy
Yep.
People have their playbook. When they wander into discussion A, they turn to that page and repeat the same stuff they repeated two weeks ago.
And somehow they think they know more. You have to be a complete moron to get your info from social media and think it’s a way of life. If that Merck pill gets put out there, you know these same people won’t use it because it’s just Ivermectin and I don’t want to line big pharma’s pockets.
The pill will help but it’s not close to a panacea or even close to the monoclonal antibody treatment, which aren’t as effective as vaccines. Vaccines are still the number 1, about twice as effective as the pill and the pill is administered when you first present symptoms so not a prevent you family from getting COVID thing.
jhib
Footballguy
The story the doctor tells of the parent who doesn't even regret their choice even when the consequences were a reality just reinforces to me how big a role passive risk vs active risk probably plays in all of this.gianmarco said:
Humans are naturally bad at statistics in general. Then you add in the feeling that a negative thing happening directly from an action you take is likely considered much worse than a negative thing happening due to inaction, unless the odds are so overwhelmingly towards the immediately negative in the inaction corner.
So even though the risks of vaccination are so much lower than of being unvaccinated, the fear of being an active participant in the child getting that shot won out. Then when it was an immediate life or death situation, and it's more obvious that inaction is an action, they allow life-saving medicine. But it's so frustrating that they look back and still rationalize the original passive choice as a good one. I guess it's easier for them to tell themselves that it wasn't their fault and they did the right thing but it just didn't work out.
DallasDMac
Footballguy
El Floppo
Footballguy
"they didn't want to have to deal with the peer pressure or the outbursts from other people about them ... 'giving in to everything.'"
So instead of "giving in to everything from their family/peers", they get vaccinated.
It's such a weird thing. What does a person getting vaccinated have to do with anybody else?
DallasDMac
Footballguy
I guess that's easier than growing a spine.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Edmonton Oilers forward Josh Archibald is out indefinitely due to myocarditis and had COVID-19 over the summer, head coach Dave Tippett said Sunday.
In late September, Oilers general manager Ken Holland confirmed Archibald was unvaccinated.
The forward is the second Edmonton player to have myocarditis, the inflammation of the heart muscle, after contracting COVID-19. Goaltender Alex Stalock is expected to miss this entire season after suffering the same fate.
Archibald has previously shared vaccine conspiracy theories. He was Canada's only unvaccinated NHL player, according to Sportsnet's Mark Spector.
The 28-year-old played the last two seasons with the Oilers, collecting seven goals and six assists over 52 games spent largely in a bottom-six role. He has also suited up for the Arizona Coyotes and the Pittsburgh Penguins, who drafted him 174th overall in 2011.
In late September, Oilers general manager Ken Holland confirmed Archibald was unvaccinated.
The forward is the second Edmonton player to have myocarditis, the inflammation of the heart muscle, after contracting COVID-19. Goaltender Alex Stalock is expected to miss this entire season after suffering the same fate.
Archibald has previously shared vaccine conspiracy theories. He was Canada's only unvaccinated NHL player, according to Sportsnet's Mark Spector.
The 28-year-old played the last two seasons with the Oilers, collecting seven goals and six assists over 52 games spent largely in a bottom-six role. He has also suited up for the Arizona Coyotes and the Pittsburgh Penguins, who drafted him 174th overall in 2011.
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
All I experienced was a sore arm and a little fatigue after the first two shots, and my measured antibodies 6 months later were off the top of the scale. With the booster at 8 months, I felt run down a couple days. My antibodies were remeasured, and again off the scale.
So antibody production alone isn’t responsible for side effects, but a primed immune system may be.
belljr
Footballguy
This is from pre covid study. It's the strain being an athlete that is different
Myocarditis and Sudden Cardiac Death in Athletes
Though not as prevalent as other cardiac diseases, approximately 0.5% to 4.0% depending on age and region of the world, myocarditis accounts for 5-22% of sudden cardiac deaths (SCD) in younger populations.6-18 Furthermore, there appears to be a higher incidence of SCD occurring in the context of exercise in cases of myocarditis.10-18 Many of these analyses looked at autopsy data to determine the cause. For instance, one of the earliest retrospective studies was done in Swedish orienteers who experienced SCD. Of the 15 men and one woman studied, myocarditis was the most common histopathological diagnosis after autopsy and most of the cases were associated with exercise.13 Another study evaluated the autopsy data of 126 military recruits who experienced non-traumatic sudden death. Of the total number of deaths, 108 were related to exercise and 64 due to cardiac causes. Amongst the cardiac causes of death, myocarditis was responsible for 20%.14 In another 10-year observational study of 162 subjects under 40 years of age who experienced SCD, myocarditis was discovered on autopsy in 22% of cases.15 Of the total number of SCD, 23% were associated with exercise.15 Despite these studies being small and observational, it appears that myocarditis serves as a risk factor for SCD, especially in younger subjects. Exercise also seems to be associated with an increased incidence of SCD in patients with myocarditis. Clearly this is of particular concern to athletes where exercise and competitive sport is a major component of their lifestyle.
It’s treatable but it’s something that would fail a physical for a professional sport. Also, not knowing the details there can be different levels. People who get the vaccine can end up sick, but even if they do they, on average, don’t get nearly as sick or die. I don’t know for sure because I haven’t studied it, but maybe the vaccine condition is also more temporary and less bad than if it you get it from the virus itself with no protection.
gianmarco
Footballguy
I'll try best I can. Without knowing the specifics of what he has, we can't say for sure.
First of all, there are different levels or severity of myocarditis, much like most things. Myocarditis, in general terms, is simply inflammation of the heart muscle. With the reports I've seen about myocarditis from the vaccine, which is mostly in teenage boys, it's a mild inflammation that typically has no clinical significance. Essentially, as a result of the immune response to the vaccine, there's some inflammation that is detected by blood work if it's done, but otherwise they may have zero symptoms and it resolves on its own without any issue. It's very mild.
We already know that myocarditis happens more frequently with Covid than from the vaccine. But, it also seems that it's typically more clinically significant, meaning they are more likely to have symptoms.
In its worst form, myocarditis can cause death (we see that in kids when they get it from certain viral illnesses). It affects the heart muscle so severely that is compromises its ability to function. So, now imagine a spectrum of severity where it doesn't affect function at all to where it causes the heart to fail.
So, if you want to assign a scale of 1-10, for example, what Archibald may have had could be somewhere in the middle. Who knows how severe. Who knows if it's actually affecting the function of his heart. But, being a professional athlete and the rigors of his sport, it sounds like they are determining that he is at risk of having cardiac dysfunction when working the heart too much. It may otherwise not affect him at all. Again, can't say for sure. And it's certainly possible that a teenage boy that gets the vaccine and ends up developing myocarditis could have enough severity to limit his activity if he was a professional player too. But, more often than not, it's not an issue except for a minority of the minority that get it to begin with.
So, to summarize, myocarditis from the vaccine is typically less severe than myocarditis from Covid. And the stress that being a pro hockey player puts on the heart is more severe than most other people such that he would be more limited than others.
Senor Schmutzig
Footballguy
Terminalxylem said:
How/where did you get antibody measurement?
I was vaccinated and then got COVID (about 5 weeks ago) and am interested in understanding where my antibodies are on the scale. Does getting COVID five months post-vaccine effectively take the place of having to get a booster? How long would that boosted immunity last?
The Commish
Footballguy
myocarditis is a symptom or a result of some underlying problem. It's inflammation of the heart. The "what" that is causing the inflammation can be different and depending on that difference can be more dangerous. We have to look at what's causing the inflammation.
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Terminalxylem
Footballguy
Part of a study protocol. It’s unlikely you’ll be able to check antibody levels, as it isn’t generally recommended. Even if your doctor ordered testing, I doubt insurers would pay.
As to whether/when you should get boosted, I think the answer is unclear. Assuming your immune system is intact, probably not for a while. Recall people who received one shot after recovery from covid appeared to have a much more potent immune response than uninfected people who completed both mRNA vaccine doses - that’s the tidbit in the Israeli study all the “natural immunity is better than vaccines!*@#¥?!” unvaccinated nincompoops conveniently gloss over.
Even though we know breakthrough infections happen, I’d think about infection after vaccination a little differently than the reverse sequence. The fundamental question in the former scenario is, why did you get sick despite vaccination? While it might’ve just been delta being delta, it’s also possible you have a subtle immunodeficiency that made vaccination inadequate. I’d be most concerned if you had severe symptoms like low oxygen saturations, have a history of recurrent sinus/ear/lung infections, diarrhea or chronic medical condition(s) associated with impaired immune function, including advanced age.
As far as I know, there isn’t an official answer to your question about booster timing. Even if you are otherwise healthy, we just don’t have the data to make a firm recommendation, and there probably isn’t a one-size-fits-all answer.
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Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
For those that don't check the main COVID thread, I posted in there about a study that came out today on vaccines and myocarditis: https://forums.footballguys.com/topic/783421-official-covid-19-coronavirus-thread/?do=findComment&comment=23625653
the moops
Footballguy
I can't speak to most of this, but I don't recall reading that myocarditis is nothing to worry about if you got it because of the vaccine. I thought the narrative was rather that it is rare to get it
skol asylum
Footballguy
I was all set to get a booster when I thought it was going to be approved for everyone. I'm 47, have high BP controlled by meds, borderline high cholesterol and blood sugar. I could lose a few (many many pounds.) My last Pfizer shot was February 4th. Any reason not to get the booster now? Any advantage to waiting? Maybe a Delta specific one is coming soonish? How often can one get boosted?
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
It's both, though I don't know if I'd go as far as "nothing to worry about" because there have been so few cases documented so far. In most studies I have seen about COVID vaccine-induced myocarditis, including the one I posted in this thread this morning, every case was resolved without serious complications. Myocarditis induced by COVID itself can (but does not always) lead to serious complications, though.
If the prospect of myocarditis freaks you out, then get vaccinated, because you are far, far, far more likely to get complicated myocarditis from the disease than the vaccine.
DallasDMac
Footballguy
trader jake
Footballguy
I enjoyed
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
Releasing all this pre-print cr@p needs to stop. I’m not sure when it started, but prior to covid it wasn’t nearly so commonplace. When you add in social media cherry-picking and amplifying the message, plus the tendency to ignore subsequent revisions/retractions, it’s a recipe for misinformation.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
cheeseypoof
Footballguy
Pfizer booster scheduled for tomorrow!!! Correct age bracket with underlying medical conditions. Plus six months since my second shot.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
More evidence to support my opinion that preprints for medical papers are more harmful than beneficial.
