Wilson to Denver! (1 Viewer)

[IvanKaramazov]

I'm trying to recall the last time a division was as stacked as the AFC W.

Okay, now I find it very easy to recall the last time a division was as stacked as the AFC W. For example, the 2000-2018 AFCE.

 

[Boston]

Outside of playing poorly, having a bad contract and looking like a guy who his teammates aren't overly fond of things seem to be Ok with Russ.

 

[DocHolliday]

I'm trying to recall the last time a division was as stacked as the AFC W.

Okay, now I find it very easy to recall the last time a division was as stacked as the AFC W. For example, the 2000-2018 AFCE.

Worked out great for NE and it’s been working out well for KC for the last few years.

 

[Harry Frogfish]

Also, the Raider's fan who couldn't help himself was pretty funny, seriously, I enjoyed it. BTW, enjoy Josh McDaniels. Oh, and Mark Davis. The money that Denver will eat seems super important to you. For you to highlight it, then let's also not forget they now have a war chest at their disposal. They have more money than the 6 richest teams in the NFL...COMBINED. Unless you get some big benefit from that, who cares who foots the bill? That's not gonna hamstring them nearly as much you'd think/like. *** far as fans go, all we care about is winning a Superbowl. I've never heard any talk of how much a Championship cost teams, or know anybody that cares in the end.

There's this thing in the NFL called a salary cap. You might want to look up how it works.

Cute. My point is that they have the financial means down the line to do way more than other owners are willing to do, (hi Spanos family, for example), and it's not close. Their current situation won't last forever and they won't have problems eating some spare cash a long the way. Meanwhile, your owner can't afford more than a bowl for a haircut.

Your obsession is intriguing and I was being sincere when I said I enjoyed your reply (initially). But since we're being smart asses now -- I mean, you are a Raiders fan, it's mandatory -- the Broncos will be in the Superbowl before the Raiders ever sniff it, and then some, as long as Mark Davis is running that ship(hole). Enjoy!

Emotional damage!!!

Thoughts on last night's collapse? Baker and the Depleted put your boys to bed. In historical fashion on national TV. Congrats?

Talk about "Emotional damage!!!"? Will we see more tears from Carr is the question.

Josh McD baby, back on track, enjoy the ride!

 

[BassNBrew]

I'm trying to recall the last time a division was as stacked as the AFC W.

Insert smart *** reply here...

How’s Mahomes going to handle being the second best QB in the AFC West now?

Win the league MVP

I'm trying to recall the last time a division was as stacked as the AFC W.

Okay, now I find it very easy to recall the last time a division was as stacked as the AFC W. For example, the 2000-2018 AFCE.

Literally beat me to it.

 

[Grahamburn]

To me the biggest mystery with Wilson is how has he lost his legs already? He actually turns 35 tomorrow and granted I think Brees and Brady messed with our heads a little on how QB's should age but his loss of ability to move was just so sudden and without having suffered a massive lower body injury or anything.

Man. Who could have seen this coming?

I got lambasted in this thread for pointing it out.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Baker mayfield can come in to the rams and succeed after 2 days but Wilson still can’t get anything done after 5 months.

 

[LawFitz]

Also, the Raider's fan who couldn't help himself was pretty funny, seriously, I enjoyed it. BTW, enjoy Josh McDaniels. Oh, and Mark Davis. The money that Denver will eat seems super important to you. For you to highlight it, then let's also not forget they now have a war chest at their disposal. They have more money than the 6 richest teams in the NFL...COMBINED. Unless you get some big benefit from that, who cares who foots the bill? That's not gonna hamstring them nearly as much you'd think/like. *** far as fans go, all we care about is winning a Superbowl. I've never heard any talk of how much a Championship cost teams, or know anybody that cares in the end.

There's this thing in the NFL called a salary cap. You might want to look up how it works.

Cute. My point is that they have the financial means down the line to do way more than other owners are willing to do, (hi Spanos family, for example), and it's not close. Their current situation won't last forever and they won't have problems eating some spare cash a long the way. Meanwhile, your owner can't afford more than a bowl for a haircut.

Your obsession is intriguing and I was being sincere when I said I enjoyed your reply (initially). But since we're being smart asses now -- I mean, you are a Raiders fan, it's mandatory -- the Broncos will be in the Superbowl before the Raiders ever sniff it, and then some, as long as Mark Davis is running that ship(hole). Enjoy!

Emotional damage!!!

Thoughts on last night's collapse? Baker and the Depleted put your boys to bed. In historical fashion on national TV. Congrats?

Talk about "Emotional damage!!!"? Will we see more tears from Carr is the question.

Josh McD baby, back on track, enjoy the ride!

Emotional... wait for it... DAMAGE!!!

 

[menobrown]

To me the biggest mystery with Wilson is how has he lost his legs already? He actually turns 35 tomorrow and granted I think Brees and Brady messed with our heads a little on how QB's should age but his loss of ability to move was just so sudden and without having suffered a massive lower body injury or anything.

Man. Who could have seen this coming?

I got lambasted in this thread for pointing it out.

Did not see that you had said and from most of the replies to my post it does not sound like people still understand what it means to him to have lost his ability to move like he used to and the overall impact that has on his game, both as a runner and a passer.

 

[habsfan]

To me the biggest mystery with Wilson is how has he lost his legs already? He actually turns 35 tomorrow and granted I think Brees and Brady messed with our heads a little on how QB's should age but his loss of ability to move was just so sudden and without having suffered a massive lower body injury or anything.

Man. Who could have seen this coming?

I got lambasted in this thread for pointing it out.

Did not see that you had said and from most of the replies to my post it does not sound like people still understand what it means to him to have lost his ability to move like he used to and the overall impact that has on his game, both as a runner and a passer.

I think most people understand the importance of mobility to his game and anticipated eventual (maybe even sooner rather than later) decline. Fewer people saw the cliff he's seemingly fallen off. If the decline started last year, it would be really hard to delineate from all the other not great stuff going on - the hand injury, o-line, starting Riverdance six games and general team "discord". All that considered, I still have questions about how his legs fell off at 34.

 

[moleculo]

I think there are a couple of things going on:

1. Square peg in a round hole. Wilson is not a prototypical west coast QB. He's more of a downfield thrower - he reads deep to short, not left to right. Hackett brought in a west coast offense, and it doesn't suit him. Most QBs are system-specific - even Peyron Manning struggled in an offense not tailored to his strengths (see his time with Kubiak). It's easier to replace the coach than QB, so this can change.

2. I think the Seattle game on week 1 messed up his confidence. I think he was emotionally invested in that game like no other, and for the game to as poorly as it did - goal line fumbling, mismanaged game organization, etc... It was something he didn't recover from, and things snowballed. I think he can bounce back next season with the right coach.

 

[Deamon]

I think there are a couple of things going on:

1. Square peg in a round hole. Wilson is not a prototypical west coast QB. He's more of a downfield thrower - he reads deep to short, not left to right. Hackett brought in a west coast offense, and it doesn't suit him. Most QBs are system-specific - even Peyron Manning struggled in an offense not tailored to his strengths (see his time with Kubiak). It's easier to replace the coach than QB, so this can change.

2. I think the Seattle game on week 1 messed up his confidence. I think he was emotionally invested in that game like no other, and for the game to as poorly as it did - goal line fumbling, mismanaged game organization, etc... It was something he didn't recover from, and things snowballed. I think he can bounce back next season with the right coach.

He'll obviously improve, but not to where they thought he'd be.

 

[moleculo]

I think there are a couple of things going on:

1. Square peg in a round hole. Wilson is not a prototypical west coast QB. He's more of a downfield thrower - he reads deep to short, not left to right. Hackett brought in a west coast offense, and it doesn't suit him. Most QBs are system-specific - even Peyron Manning struggled in an offense not tailored to his strengths (see his time with Kubiak). It's easier to replace the coach than QB, so this can change.

2. I think the Seattle game on week 1 messed up his confidence. I think he was emotionally invested in that game like no other, and for the game to as poorly as it did - goal line fumbling, mismanaged game organization, etc... It was something he didn't recover from, and things snowballed. I think he can bounce back next season with the right coach.

He'll obviously improve, but not to where they thought he'd be.

Or maybe he gets beat out by that Rypien kid.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Broncos Country

 

[babydemon90]

Baker mayfield can come in to the rams and succeed after 2 days but Wilson still can’t get anything done after 5 months.

Russell Wilson had better stats against the Raiders in week 4? Josh Jacobs just had a much better game against denver.

 

[Deamon]

I think there are a couple of things going on:

1. Square peg in a round hole. Wilson is not a prototypical west coast QB. He's more of a downfield thrower - he reads deep to short, not left to right. Hackett brought in a west coast offense, and it doesn't suit him. Most QBs are system-specific - even Peyron Manning struggled in an offense not tailored to his strengths (see his time with Kubiak). It's easier to replace the coach than QB, so this can change.

2. I think the Seattle game on week 1 messed up his confidence. I think he was emotionally invested in that game like no other, and for the game to as poorly as it did - goal line fumbling, mismanaged game organization, etc... It was something he didn't recover from, and things snowballed. I think he can bounce back next season with the right coach.

He'll obviously improve, but not to where they thought he'd be.

Or maybe he gets beat out by that Rypien kid.

That's my dream but not sure they'll give him a fair shot with so much invested in Russ.

 

[TheWinz]

Out of the 25 QB's with at least 10 starts this year, Russell Wilson is dead last in both completion percentage and TD's.

 

[Harry Frogfish]

Also, the Raider's fan who couldn't help himself was pretty funny, seriously, I enjoyed it. BTW, enjoy Josh McDaniels. Oh, and Mark Davis. The money that Denver will eat seems super important to you. For you to highlight it, then let's also not forget they now have a war chest at their disposal. They have more money than the 6 richest teams in the NFL...COMBINED. Unless you get some big benefit from that, who cares who foots the bill? That's not gonna hamstring them nearly as much you'd think/like. *** far as fans go, all we care about is winning a Superbowl. I've never heard any talk of how much a Championship cost teams, or know anybody that cares in the end.

There's this thing in the NFL called a salary cap. You might want to look up how it works.

Cute. My point is that they have the financial means down the line to do way more than other owners are willing to do, (hi Spanos family, for example), and it's not close. Their current situation won't last forever and they won't have problems eating some spare cash a long the way. Meanwhile, your owner can't afford more than a bowl for a haircut.

Your obsession is intriguing and I was being sincere when I said I enjoyed your reply (initially). But since we're being smart asses now -- I mean, you are a Raiders fan, it's mandatory -- the Broncos will be in the Superbowl before the Raiders ever sniff it, and then some, as long as Mark Davis is running that ship(hole). Enjoy!

Emotional damage!!!

Thoughts on last night's collapse? Baker and the Depleted put your boys to bed. In historical fashion on national TV. Congrats?

Talk about "Emotional damage!!!"? Will we see more tears from Carr is the question.

Josh McD baby, back on track, enjoy the ride!

Emotional... wait for it... DAMAGE!!!

Would you be interested in a wager?

For next season. Simple bet. Which team will win more games.

I'd love to do the next 5 seasons and beyond, because the Raiders with Mark Davis are a fantastic fade, and you know it. But that would take too long to collect.

Next year. You in? Let's see who ends up laughing, shall we?

 

[Harry Frogfish]

Also, the Raider's fan who couldn't help himself was pretty funny, seriously, I enjoyed it. BTW, enjoy Josh McDaniels. Oh, and Mark Davis. The money that Denver will eat seems super important to you. For you to highlight it, then let's also not forget they now have a war chest at their disposal. They have more money than the 6 richest teams in the NFL...COMBINED. Unless you get some big benefit from that, who cares who foots the bill? That's not gonna hamstring them nearly as much you'd think/like. *** far as fans go, all we care about is winning a Superbowl. I've never heard any talk of how much a Championship cost teams, or know anybody that cares in the end.

There's this thing in the NFL called a salary cap. You might want to look up how it works.

Cute. My point is that they have the financial means down the line to do way more than other owners are willing to do, (hi Spanos family, for example), and it's not close. Their current situation won't last forever and they won't have problems eating some spare cash a long the way. Meanwhile, your owner can't afford more than a bowl for a haircut.

Your obsession is intriguing and I was being sincere when I said I enjoyed your reply (initially). But since we're being smart asses now -- I mean, you are a Raiders fan, it's mandatory -- the Broncos will be in the Superbowl before the Raiders ever sniff it, and then some, as long as Mark Davis is running that ship(hole). Enjoy!

Emotional damage!!!

Thoughts on last night's collapse? Baker and the Depleted put your boys to bed. In historical fashion on national TV. Congrats?

Talk about "Emotional damage!!!"? Will we see more tears from Carr is the question.

Josh McD baby, back on track, enjoy the ride!

Emotional... wait for it... DAMAGE!!!

You realize that's your quote you're obsessed with, right?

Regardless, laughing guy, let's see if you'll take the bet I just offered you. Put your money where your mouth/"emoji" is.

It'll be fun (although I doubt you do it ... typical Raider fan, all talk)!

 

[rockaction]

Eminence, how stupid do you think people are? Year after year you come here as an innocent alias and then proceed to act in exactly the same way you always do. And nobody likes it and only engages you because they don't know it's one guy's m.o. to start insinuating himself into conversations, get all pissy about the topic, offer up a bet, and then when you lose that bet, threaten to slit a guy's throat or whatever it is you threaten.

You have a serious narcissistic/megalomaniacal disorder and a mental illness, man, and I hope that you get help. But stop ****ing up the boards. Nobody wants your Vegas/betting schtick anymore. It's tiresome. You're never getting hired here, and you're a two-bit gambler who loses all the time. What makes you do this?

 

[LawFitz]

Also, the Raider's fan who couldn't help himself was pretty funny, seriously, I enjoyed it. BTW, enjoy Josh McDaniels. Oh, and Mark Davis. The money that Denver will eat seems super important to you. For you to highlight it, then let's also not forget they now have a war chest at their disposal. They have more money than the 6 richest teams in the NFL...COMBINED. Unless you get some big benefit from that, who cares who foots the bill? That's not gonna hamstring them nearly as much you'd think/like. *** far as fans go, all we care about is winning a Superbowl. I've never heard any talk of how much a Championship cost teams, or know anybody that cares in the end.

There's this thing in the NFL called a salary cap. You might want to look up how it works.

Cute. My point is that they have the financial means down the line to do way more than other owners are willing to do, (hi Spanos family, for example), and it's not close. Their current situation won't last forever and they won't have problems eating some spare cash a long the way. Meanwhile, your owner can't afford more than a bowl for a haircut.

Your obsession is intriguing and I was being sincere when I said I enjoyed your reply (initially). But since we're being smart asses now -- I mean, you are a Raiders fan, it's mandatory -- the Broncos will be in the Superbowl before the Raiders ever sniff it, and then some, as long as Mark Davis is running that ship(hole). Enjoy!

Emotional damage!!!

Thoughts on last night's collapse? Baker and the Depleted put your boys to bed. In historical fashion on national TV. Congrats?

Talk about "Emotional damage!!!"? Will we see more tears from Carr is the question.

Josh McD baby, back on track, enjoy the ride!

Emotional... wait for it... DAMAGE!!!

You realize that's your quote you're obsessed with, right?

Regardless, laughing guy, let's see if you'll take the bet I just offered you. Put your money where your mouth/"emoji" is.

It'll be fun (although I doubt you do it ... typical Raider fan, all talk)!

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Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.

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P.S. Raiders sucking won't fix the worst trade in NFL history.

 

[Harry Frogfish]

Also, the Raider's fan who couldn't help himself was pretty funny, seriously, I enjoyed it. BTW, enjoy Josh McDaniels. Oh, and Mark Davis. The money that Denver will eat seems super important to you. For you to highlight it, then let's also not forget they now have a war chest at their disposal. They have more money than the 6 richest teams in the NFL...COMBINED. Unless you get some big benefit from that, who cares who foots the bill? That's not gonna hamstring them nearly as much you'd think/like. *** far as fans go, all we care about is winning a Superbowl. I've never heard any talk of how much a Championship cost teams, or know anybody that cares in the end.

There's this thing in the NFL called a salary cap. You might want to look up how it works.

Cute. My point is that they have the financial means down the line to do way more than other owners are willing to do, (hi Spanos family, for example), and it's not close. Their current situation won't last forever and they won't have problems eating some spare cash a long the way. Meanwhile, your owner can't afford more than a bowl for a haircut.

Your obsession is intriguing and I was being sincere when I said I enjoyed your reply (initially). But since we're being smart asses now -- I mean, you are a Raiders fan, it's mandatory -- the Broncos will be in the Superbowl before the Raiders ever sniff it, and then some, as long as Mark Davis is running that ship(hole). Enjoy!

Emotional damage!!!

Thoughts on last night's collapse? Baker and the Depleted put your boys to bed. In historical fashion on national TV. Congrats?

Talk about "Emotional damage!!!"? Will we see more tears from Carr is the question.

Josh McD baby, back on track, enjoy the ride!

Emotional... wait for it... DAMAGE!!!

You realize that's your quote you're obsessed with, right?

Regardless, laughing guy, let's see if you'll take the bet I just offered you. Put your money where your mouth/"emoji" is.

It'll be fun (although I doubt you do it ... typical Raider fan, all talk)!

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.

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P.S. Raiders sucking won't fix the worst trade in NFL history.

P.S. Knew you'd be scared to take the bet, you want no part of that. At least you got to see Ice T sitting next to Mark Davis, OMG SO cool! Plus, no Carr tears this week, yay!

 

[TampaMike19]

Can we take the exclamation point out of the title or add the word ugh after it?

 

[Dez]

We're all gonna see just how bad of a coach Pete Carroll is now. He's done absolutely NOTHING without Wilson.

Interesting how things turn out.

 

[LawFitz]

Also, the Raider's fan who couldn't help himself was pretty funny, seriously, I enjoyed it. BTW, enjoy Josh McDaniels. Oh, and Mark Davis. The money that Denver will eat seems super important to you. For you to highlight it, then let's also not forget they now have a war chest at their disposal. They have more money than the 6 richest teams in the NFL...COMBINED. Unless you get some big benefit from that, who cares who foots the bill? That's not gonna hamstring them nearly as much you'd think/like. *** far as fans go, all we care about is winning a Superbowl. I've never heard any talk of how much a Championship cost teams, or know anybody that cares in the end.

There's this thing in the NFL called a salary cap. You might want to look up how it works.

Cute. My point is that they have the financial means down the line to do way more than other owners are willing to do, (hi Spanos family, for example), and it's not close. Their current situation won't last forever and they won't have problems eating some spare cash a long the way. Meanwhile, your owner can't afford more than a bowl for a haircut.

Your obsession is intriguing and I was being sincere when I said I enjoyed your reply (initially). But since we're being smart asses now -- I mean, you are a Raiders fan, it's mandatory -- the Broncos will be in the Superbowl before the Raiders ever sniff it, and then some, as long as Mark Davis is running that ship(hole). Enjoy!

Emotional damage!!!

Thoughts on last night's collapse? Baker and the Depleted put your boys to bed. In historical fashion on national TV. Congrats?

Talk about "Emotional damage!!!"? Will we see more tears from Carr is the question.

Josh McD baby, back on track, enjoy the ride!

Emotional... wait for it... DAMAGE!!!

You realize that's your quote you're obsessed with, right?

Regardless, laughing guy, let's see if you'll take the bet I just offered you. Put your money where your mouth/"emoji" is.

It'll be fun (although I doubt you do it ... typical Raider fan, all talk)!

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.

youtu.be

P.S. Raiders sucking won't fix the worst trade in NFL history.

P.S. Knew you'd be scared to take the bet, you want no part of that. At least you got to see Ice T sitting next to Mark Davis, OMG SO cool! Plus, no Carr tears this week, yay!

Emotional...





















DAMAGE!!!

 

[Harry Frogfish]

Also, the Raider's fan who couldn't help himself was pretty funny, seriously, I enjoyed it. BTW, enjoy Josh McDaniels. Oh, and Mark Davis. The money that Denver will eat seems super important to you. For you to highlight it, then let's also not forget they now have a war chest at their disposal. They have more money than the 6 richest teams in the NFL...COMBINED. Unless you get some big benefit from that, who cares who foots the bill? That's not gonna hamstring them nearly as much you'd think/like. *** far as fans go, all we care about is winning a Superbowl. I've never heard any talk of how much a Championship cost teams, or know anybody that cares in the end.

There's this thing in the NFL called a salary cap. You might want to look up how it works.

Cute. My point is that they have the financial means down the line to do way more than other owners are willing to do, (hi Spanos family, for example), and it's not close. Their current situation won't last forever and they won't have problems eating some spare cash a long the way. Meanwhile, your owner can't afford more than a bowl for a haircut.

Your obsession is intriguing and I was being sincere when I said I enjoyed your reply (initially). But since we're being smart asses now -- I mean, you are a Raiders fan, it's mandatory -- the Broncos will be in the Superbowl before the Raiders ever sniff it, and then some, as long as Mark Davis is running that ship(hole). Enjoy!

Emotional damage!!!

Thoughts on last night's collapse? Baker and the Depleted put your boys to bed. In historical fashion on national TV. Congrats?

Talk about "Emotional damage!!!"? Will we see more tears from Carr is the question.

Josh McD baby, back on track, enjoy the ride!

Emotional... wait for it... DAMAGE!!!

You realize that's your quote you're obsessed with, right?

Regardless, laughing guy, let's see if you'll take the bet I just offered you. Put your money where your mouth/"emoji" is.

It'll be fun (although I doubt you do it ... typical Raider fan, all talk)!

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.

youtu.be

P.S. Raiders sucking won't fix the worst trade in NFL history.

P.S. Knew you'd be scared to take the bet, you want no part of that. At least you got to see Ice T sitting next to Mark Davis, OMG SO cool! Plus, no Carr tears this week, yay!

Emotional...





















DAMAGE!!!

Mark











Davis




And crying.

 

[Grahamburn]

If I were going to bet on which one of those franchises goes to a Super Bowl sooner? I'd pick Seattle.

Too early in the day to start hitting the bottle.

Which franchise would you rather be today?

 

[JohnnyU]

If I were going to bet on which one of those franchises goes to a Super Bowl sooner? I'd pick Seattle.

Too early in the day to start hitting the bottle.

Which franchise would you rather be today?

One is 8-7 and the other 7-8, so not much difference to me. It's not like either are going to be contending for a Super Bowl. I suppose my comment of hitting the bottle struck a nerve if you had to dig this out of the archives.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Everyone is saying Wilson means a big bump for Jeudy/Sutton but I'm not so sure Wilson won't be missing Lockett/Metcalf.

Oh sweet jeebus

-Why don't we start with Seattle's record and number of playoff wins after Wilson stopped being paid his 4 yr-3rd round Rookie contract affording the Seahawks the luxury to load up when he was a rookie and dial back the playbook and let Lynch win them a Title and almost won them a 2nd Title if not for Wilson throwing a catastrophic interception when Seattle was on the brink of B2B Super Bowls pushing them into the upper atmosphere with Dynasty talk but instead we know it was merely cashing in on Wilson's rookie deal which paid about $500k per season his first 3-4 years in the NFL.

Summer of 2015....Wilson demands to be paid and wants the deal done rather quickly before the season starts and doesn't want to discuss it much. In case folks forgot. Wilson pocketed a $31M bonus that summer prior to his 4th year salary of just $700k.

2015: Wildcard beat MN 10-9, lost Divisional Round

2016: Wildcard again, Division Round loss again

2017: No Playoffs

2018: Loss to Dallas in the Wildcard Round 24-22...Seattle seems to struggle during this period scoring points in the Playoffs.

Spring-2019 4yr/$140M deal is signed by Wilson

2019: Wildcard round 17-9 win over Philly, lose to Green Bay in the divisional round

The off season i seem to recall Wilson being disgruntled with Seattle and their front office.

2020: Wildcard loss to the Rams and it feels like this is when Wilson wanted to get some trade talks going on.

2021: Pretty bad year and lots of talk about him being traded.

The point is they didn't get to a single NFCC game once they paid Wilson a lot of money and had to make cuts in other spots. I'm not sure he is the QB that will put you over the top. He might be more Kirk Cousins than some folks want to admit.

I need to update 2022 and 2023 but we were doing quite well documenting Russ Wilson and his teams once he started getting paid BIG MONEY

 

[Grahamburn]

If I were going to bet on which one of those franchises goes to a Super Bowl sooner? I'd pick Seattle.

Too early in the day to start hitting the bottle.

Which franchise would you rather be today?

One is 8-7 and the other 7-8, so not much difference to me. It's not like either are going to be contending for a Super Bowl. I suppose my comment of hitting the bottle struck a nerve if you had to dig this out of the archives.

Hey man if you feel like you can insult people for having opposing views just prepare to have your card pulled.

 

[JohnnyU]

If I were going to bet on which one of those franchises goes to a Super Bowl sooner? I'd pick Seattle.

Too early in the day to start hitting the bottle.

Which franchise would you rather be today?

One is 8-7 and the other 7-8, so not much difference to me. It's not like either are going to be contending for a Super Bowl. I suppose my comment of hitting the bottle struck a nerve if you had to dig this out of the archives.

Hey man if you feel like you can insult people for having opposing views just prepare to have your card pulled.

I suppose you didn't get the humor, but that's OK. Lighten up Francis. It's not as if Seattle is all that good to be beating your chest.

 

[Grahamburn]

If I were going to bet on which one of those franchises goes to a Super Bowl sooner? I'd pick Seattle.

Too early in the day to start hitting the bottle.

Which franchise would you rather be today?

One is 8-7 and the other 7-8, so not much difference to me. It's not like either are going to be contending for a Super Bowl. I suppose my comment of hitting the bottle struck a nerve if you had to dig this out of the archives.

Hey man if you feel like you can insult people for having opposing views just prepare to have your card pulled.

I suppose you didn't get the humor, but that's OK. Lighten up Francis. It's not as if Seattle is all that good to be beating your chest.

Of course I did. What’s the point of posting in threads and making comments or predictions if there’s no accountability?

Point is this trade looks like on of the most lopsided in NFL history just two years later and “people” thought I was hitting the bottle for liking Seattle’s side. It’s just funny.

 

[Shawnky]

If I were going to bet on which one of those franchises goes to a Super Bowl sooner? I'd pick Seattle.

Too early in the day to start hitting the bottle.

Which franchise would you rather be today?

One is 8-7 and the other 7-8, so not much difference to me. It's not like either are going to be contending for a Super Bowl. I suppose my comment of hitting the bottle struck a nerve if you had to dig this out of the archives.

Hey man if you feel like you can insult people for having opposing views just prepare to have your card pulled.

I suppose you didn't get the humor, but that's OK. Lighten up Francis. It's not as if Seattle is all that good to be beating your chest.

Of course I did. What’s the point of posting in threads and making comments or predictions if there’s no accountability?

Point is this trade looks like on of the most lopsided in NFL history just two years later and “people” thought I was hitting the bottle for liking Seattle’s side. It’s just funny.

You reacted to a post I made way back when this started. I fail to see any taking accountability here. Trade doesn’t look lopsided all things considered at this point. The addition of Payton has helped Wilson, but it doesn’t change the fact that it would seem Payton wants a different QB. I still Denver being relevant before Seattle. Neither has reached that point honestly. If anything, I see Denver heading in the right direction at this point. Not sure why you’re patting yourself on the back here.

 

[General Malaise]

If I were going to bet on which one of those franchises goes to a Super Bowl sooner? I'd pick Seattle.

Too early in the day to start hitting the bottle.

Which franchise would you rather be today?

One is 8-7 and the other 7-8, so not much difference to me. It's not like either are going to be contending for a Super Bowl. I suppose my comment of hitting the bottle struck a nerve if you had to dig this out of the archives.

Hey man if you feel like you can insult people for having opposing views just prepare to have your card pulled.

I suppose you didn't get the humor, but that's OK. Lighten up Francis. It's not as if Seattle is all that good to be beating your chest.

Of course I did. What’s the point of posting in threads and making comments or predictions if there’s no accountability?

Point is this trade looks like on of the most lopsided in NFL history just two years later and “people” thought I was hitting the bottle for liking Seattle’s side. It’s just funny.

You reacted to a post I made way back when this started. I fail to see any taking accountability here. Trade doesn’t look lopsided all things considered at this point. The addition of Payton has helped Wilson, but it doesn’t change the fact that it would seem Payton wants a different QB. I still Denver being relevant before Seattle. Neither has reached that point honestly. If anything, I see Denver heading in the right direction at this point. Not sure why you’re patting yourself on the back here.

Oh, I think Seattle is in a MUCH better position than Denver. This isn't really debatable. Seattle has rebuilt on the fly, has hit on their draft picks, has better offensive weapons and is lead by a GM/Coach combo that's been outstanding for over a decade.

 

[Hooper31]

Trade doesn’t look lopsided all things considered at this point.

Really?

A trade that was to put Denver in a "win now" phase? Odd thing, Seattle is ready to post a better record in both year 1 and year 2. Further, Seattle has drafted well this past two years with the picks they got from Denver hitting home runs with the Cross and Witherspoon selections. And looking forward? Denver has set themselves up to be in cap hell like no other team has ever experienced.

Again, really?

 

[Grahamburn]

If I were going to bet on which one of those franchises goes to a Super Bowl sooner? I'd pick Seattle.

Too early in the day to start hitting the bottle.

Which franchise would you rather be today?

One is 8-7 and the other 7-8, so not much difference to me. It's not like either are going to be contending for a Super Bowl. I suppose my comment of hitting the bottle struck a nerve if you had to dig this out of the archives.

Hey man if you feel like you can insult people for having opposing views just prepare to have your card pulled.

I suppose you didn't get the humor, but that's OK. Lighten up Francis. It's not as if Seattle is all that good to be beating your chest.

Of course I did. What’s the point of posting in threads and making comments or predictions if there’s no accountability?

Point is this trade looks like on of the most lopsided in NFL history just two years later and “people” thought I was hitting the bottle for liking Seattle’s side. It’s just funny.

You reacted to a post I made way back when this started. I fail to see any taking accountability here. Trade doesn’t look lopsided all things considered at this point. The addition of Payton has helped Wilson, but it doesn’t change the fact that it would seem Payton wants a different QB. I still Denver being relevant before Seattle. Neither has reached that point honestly. If anything, I see Denver heading in the right direction at this point. Not sure why you’re patting yourself on the back here.

If by relevant you mean in May when we discuss which QB they might target with the 1st overall pick. Yes, they’ll probably be relevant.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Still 1st Ballot Hall of Fame?

 

[JohnnyU]

Still 1st Ballot Hall of Fame?

Maybe not 5 ballot HOF'er, forget 1st Ballot.

 

[Anarchy99]

Still 1st Ballot Hall of Fame?

I don't think he was a first ballot HOFer before, so I would vote no to the first ballot part. But he's not done playing, so he could still end up as one. His PFR HOF Monitor Score is currently 85.59, ranking him as the #21 QB. The average score for a HOF QB is 108. His score will likely go up a bit once this season is over.

The following players all have higher scores than Russ: Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Ryan, Roethlisberger, and Rivers. Wilson is ranked one spot above Eli (who is getting in whether people think he should make it or not). The only other current player besides ARod ranked higher than Wilson is Mahomes (who likely still has many years to play.) There are 8 HOF QBs that have lower Monitor scores than Wilson, so he likely will make it at some point.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Much better for Broncos Country than Rodgers. Both short and long term.

Not to call you out, just picking a post from March 8, 2022 because I think it is a pretty interesting What If ...? situation. The Rodgers (massive, salary cap crippling) extension was announced a few hours before this trade. The Broncos had hired Hackett as head coach presumably to lure Rodgers. As a Packers fan, I really regret the team didn't trade him to the Broncos in March of 2022 and get that Wilson trade haul (if not something somewhat better), rather than giving him a huge extension, ending up with a losing record anyway, then trading him for a second round pick and a couple swaps. Its interesting to think how the fortunes of the Packers, Broncos and Seahawks might have changed if the Broncos Plan A had come to fruition.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Still 1st Ballot Hall of Fame?

I don't think he was a first ballot HOFer before, so I would vote no to the first ballot part. But he's not done playing, so he could still end up as one. His PFR HOF Monitor Score is currently 85.59, ranking him as the #21 QB. The average score for a HOF QB is 108. His score will likely go up a bit once this season is over.

The following players all have higher scores than Russ: Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Ryan, Roethlisberger, and Rivers. Wilson is ranked one spot above Eli (who is getting in whether people think he should make it or not). The only other current player besides ARod ranked higher than Wilson is Mahomes (who likely still has many years to play.) There are 8 HOF QBs that have lower Monitor scores than Wilson, so he likely will make it at some point.

Football HOF is about narrative, not stats. I don’t think these formulas ultimately mean that much.