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Winslow officially has torn ACL - Done for year (1 Viewer)

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Great acronym: W.A.D. He's a WAD! :lmao: For some reason that just made me laugh.Now for the more serious part. I really cannot understand why someone would take the kind of risks he's taken. I'm sure some others have done so as well but getting on a motorcycle and riding normally is one thing, taking unessacary risks by doing things like wheelies is another. Obviuosly he's paying the price.

What should the Browns do? Keep in mind that Winslow is a holdover from Davis. I don't know Crennel and the gang are enamoured with him or not. But after what Winslow has done they may no longer want him. If you think about the first injury you realize that was out of Winslow's control. But this one is Winslow out of control. Whatever he was thinking when he did this, he clearly was thinking of no one but himself. The message is I don't care about the Browns, the fans or my career.

Message from the Browns: We don't care about you any longer either. Maybe it's time to cut their losses and move on. I'd be ok with that.
You want to know why?It's because, and I'm just making a statement and not judging, when you're that age, it's not a "risk", it's something you want to do. You don't even have "risk" anywhere in your thought process, it's just "Hey, I'd like to buy a bike, I have the money to buy a bike, so I'm buying a bike." They are not sitting around saying "Hmm... I know riding a bike is illegal under my contract, so I need to weigh the risks."

I'm not saying it's due to immaturity, it's due to being young.
The reason he didn't take his contract seriously, and choose to take a "risk" and ride his new bike, is because the rules don't apply to him. He is above it all and has been since grade school I would guess. Coddled and told he's the greatest his whole life, why worry about a contract and responsibility? I'm guessing he dosen't take a whole lot of things very seriously, certainly not his career. I just feel bad for Browns fans.
C'mon now. I'm sure that numerous others have done the same thing (getting a bike) and we simply haven't heard about them because they didn't get in an accident.And just out of curiosity - why is scuba diving on that list? Is it really that dangerous? (Never been, so I don't know.)

 
Lets hope they have full security/chaparone detail surrouinding Bralyon Edwards as we speak.

COlin
You know Colin,If I was Braylon Edward's guardian (or any other player that had the slightest chance of doign something dumb like this), I think I'd allocate a couple hundred thousand dollars a year to having a full time 24 hour "bodyguard / babysitter" service. Seriously. You could have 3 guys on 8 hour shifts.

Think where Lawrence Phillips might be today if he'd have done that.

I'm totally serious.

J
The problem with this is that unless the team assigns peole to him, the palyer will always feel as though he does not have to listen to these people. They are not signing his checks, so why should he care?
 
How painful is a torn ACL?

After the accident, KWII was complaining of chest pains.  If he had a torn ACL, which would hurt more:  the knee or his puntured lung?

I have never had either one, so I don't know the answer to the question.
The lung would hurt WAY WORSE from what I understand! There have been people who have torn ACL's before and hardly even noticed it was more than a sprain (my boss at the Co. picknick last year).
What jurb said.ACL / MCL tears (I've had MCL) are not very painful. I hope I never have to know from experience, but I'd say nothing compared to a punctured lung.

J

 
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How painful is a torn ACL?

After the accident, KWII was complaining of chest pains. If he had a torn ACL, which would hurt more: the knee or his puntured lung?

I have never had either one, so I don't know the answer to the question.
I tore my ACL, as did a good buddy of mine, and it varies. My friend had a little pain when it happened, but was even able to get up after a few minutes and try to keep playing. Obviously, the instability kept him from being able to play, but the pain only set in later. When I tore my ACL, I was in a LOT of pain, and nearly passed out twice.
 
I hate to even ask this the way that KWII is being ripped and deservedly so. What kind of value does KWII hold at this point in a keeper league? I imagine his owners are fed up after loosing 2 years from a high draft pick. Is he a guy to target to add cheaply? Is he just not worth it? I thought coming out of college he was a great talent that needed to grow up. Might he grow up on the sidelines as opposed to the football field? I'm just asking. :shrug:

 
I hate to even ask this the way that KWII is being ripped and deservedly so. What kind of value does KWII hold at this point in a keeper league? I imagine his owners are fed up after loosing 2 years from a high draft pick. Is he a guy to target to add cheaply? Is he just not worth it? I thought coming out of college he was a great talent that needed to grow up. Might he grow up on the sidelines as opposed to the football field? I'm just asking. :shrug:
If you are deep at a position that you can trade, I think he makes for a great target to go after. The KWII owners will not give him away for scraps, but I think you can get him for much less than what his value was before the accident. He'll be back somewhere catching passes in a year.
 
This is better than Billy Gramatica blowing out his knee while jumping around like a village idiot.
HAHA you know what makes that even more funny for me?In my main league, one of my good friends picked up Billy THAT SAME WEEK off of waivers, because he needed a kicker, and then he blows his knee out... ohhh the humanity! :lmao:

 
Lets hope they have full security/chaparone detail surrouinding Bralyon Edwards as we speak.

COlin
You know Colin,If I was Braylon Edward's guardian (or any other player that had the slightest chance of doign something dumb like this), I think I'd allocate a couple hundred thousand dollars a year to having a full time 24 hour "bodyguard / babysitter" service. Seriously. You could have 3 guys on 8 hour shifts.

Think where Lawrence Phillips might be today if he'd have done that.

I'm totally serious.

J
Joe,I've often wondered why high-profile players don't have a personal assistant familiar with the details of their contract in their employ during daylight hours/living in their mansion with them as a trusted advisor. Someone who could've said "Uh, Mr. Winslow, if you wreck that motor bike and injure yourself, you'll be out $10 Million Dollars. How about a nice Trek mountain bike instead?"

"Oh, BTW, will you be wanting Filet Mignon or Lobster cutlets at dinner tonight, Mr. Winslow?"

What would it cost a player to have someone assisting them in this way during their NFL tenure -- $40K a year? $50? That's a lot less than $10 Million.

I this same vein, I think Leonard Little would do well to buy a limousine and hire a driver, BTW.

My .02.

 
THis has NOT been confirmed yet by the Browns or anyone on local radio or in any Cleveland media. They continue to say they are waiting for the condition of the knee to improve to even begin to see what damage there could be.

 
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I hate to even ask this the way that KWII is being ripped and deservedly so. What kind of value does KWII hold at this point in a keeper league? I imagine his owners are fed up after loosing 2 years from a high draft pick. Is he a guy to target to add cheaply? Is he just not worth it? I thought coming out of college he was a great talent that needed to grow up. Might he grow up on the sidelines as opposed to the football field? I'm just asking. :shrug:
Honestly if you believe he has a torn ACL then you can pretty much count on 3 years. ACL tears really need 2 years to heal. Edge is a good example.BTW, when I tore my ACL it was by far the worst pain I have ever felt. It was over quickly (after all I tore the nerve as well as the ACL), but the few minutes of intense pain were unreal. After the first couple of minutes I was able to limp off, though.

KWII has zero value, honestly. If I were Cleveland I would demand every bloody penny back.

 
I this same vein, I think Leonard Little would do well to buy a limousine and hire a driver, BTW.

My .02.
Why bother? He can repeatedly drive drunk and apparently get away scot-free. He was nailed dead-to-rights, wasted and they let him play the whole season before trying him and then he #######g got off!!! No conviction=no team/NFL penalties. He belongs in jail.
 
I almost feel bad for the Brownies. Almost.

Here's the Braylon Edwards board odds :

Just a standard Michigan WR bust : 3-1

Falls backwards into a grain combine, sustains career and life-ending injury : 10-1

Caught in crack den with William Green : 12-1

Slips on cupcake icing dropped in training room, breaks hip, ends career : 15-1

Sucks for the Browns for 3 years, gets cut, has 1,400 receiving yards with Green Bay a year later : 2-1

Tears ACL in a freak hopscotch accident : 9-1

Hit by Troy Polamalu - head flies off. Career over. : 22-1

Gets elected to Pro Bowl. Foolishly goes surfing wearing bad luck Hawaiian tiki idol. Drowns. Career over. : 16-1
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Another example of why players with maturity problems should slip in the NFL draft... Now let's turn our attention to Clarett and see if he proves this once again.

 
I this same vein, I think Leonard Little would do well to buy a limousine and hire a driver, BTW.

My .02.
Why bother? He can repeatedly drive drunk and apparently get away scot-free. He was nailed dead-to-rights, wasted and they let him play the whole season before trying him and then he #######g got off!!! No conviction=no team/NFL penalties. He belongs in jail.
Hi Mad,I don't think much of Leonard Little but lots of people close to the situation there (several sportswriters who've been critical of Little) thought this was the right verdict. For what that's worth.

J

 
Another example of why players with maturity problems should slip in the NFL draft... Now let's turn our attention to Clarett and see if he proves this once again.
How aboutTerrell Owens (crazy stunts, posing on the star in Texas stadium, etc.)

Emmitt Smith (Taking helmet off after every TD he scored to get his face on camera - resulted in NFL cracking down on taking one's helmet off).

Ray Lewis (Super Bowl incident, hanging out with a bad crowd.)

Bill Romanowski (Repeated cheap shots, dirty play, spitting on other players faces, etc.)

Randy Moss (mooing the end zone)

Jamal Lewis (drug trial)

And there's probably many, many more I'm forgetting. These are just some of the biggest ones.

 
How aboutTerrell Owens (crazy stunts, posing on the star in Texas stadium, etc.)Emmitt Smith (Taking helmet off after every TD he scored to get his face on camera - resulted in NFL cracking down on taking one's helmet off).Ray Lewis (Super Bowl incident, hanging out with a bad crowd.)Bill Romanowski (Repeated cheap shots, dirty play, spitting on other players faces, etc.)Randy Moss (mooing the end zone)Jamal Lewis (drug trial)And there's probably many, many more I'm forgetting. These are just some of the biggest ones.
Which one of these do not belong?We are comparing Emmitt, taking off his helmet to the Ray Lewis issue and that dirty Romanowski :no: . Emmitt is a class act, you never heard of him doing anything illegal or immoral.
 
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THis has NOT been confirmed yet by the Browns or anyone on local radio or in any Cleveland media. They continue to say they are waiting for the condition of the knee to improve to even begin to see what damage there could be.
I can't find anyplace confirming it yet either. Or denying it.WKYC.com article from this afternoon

Browns say Winslow improving; Knee a concern

Thursday, May 05, 2005

CLEVELAND (AP) -- The Cleveland Browns say Kellen Winslow, Jr.'s internal injuries from a motorcycle accident are improving. But the team said it's concerned with damage to his right knee. Winslow was injured in an accident that sent him flying over the handlebars of his newly purchased motorcycle Sunday night. The Browns issued a statement saying his knee will continue to be evaluated but declined to provide any specifics.

The 21-year-old tight end remains hospitalized at the Cleveland Clinic. The team also reported that Winslow is in good spirits. The Browns say he has had a number of visitors over the last few days, including team president John Collins, general manager Phil Savage, coach Romeo Crennel and teammates.
NewsHerald.com article about an hour ago
Kellen Winslow Jr. remains hospitalized in The Cleveland Clinic, and the Browns still are not reporting the extent of his injuries.

In a statement released Wednesday, the Browns said Winslow's internal injuries sustained in a motorcycle crash Sunday evening are improving, but the team remains concerned about the 21-year-old tight end's right knee. No timetable for Winslow's release has been set. Team doctors will continue to evaluate Winslow's knee.

"Over the last several days, Kellen has been visited by team president John Collins, senior vice president and general manager Phil Savage, head coach Romeo Crennel, some of his teammates and other Browns personnel," the statement read. "Kellen is in good spirits and asks that people respect his right to privacy regarding his medical condition."

Various reports have Winslow suffering a torn ACL in the accident, which if true would mean he might be unable to play in 2005, depending on the severity of the tear.

In addition, reports had him suffering broken ribs, a punctured lung and a bruised kidney when he crashed his motorcycle into a parking-lot curb while driving an estimated 35 mph. Winslow was taken by ambulance to Fairview General Hospital on Sunday night, then was transferred to The Cleveland Clinic on Monday.

The Browns did not detail the internal injuries Winslow has in the release Wednesday, nor in a statement issued Monday. The Wednesday statement made no reference to Winslow's right shoulder, which was also injured when he sailed over the handlebars and landed in dirt, branches and shrubbery about 16 feet from his smashed his 2005 red GSX-R750 Suzuki.

Messages left Wednesday with Winslow's agent, Kevin Poston, were not returned. Calls to Collins were referred to director of media relations Bill Bonsiewicz.
 
Who knows, with how competent the Poston's are they may never had told KW2 that riding a motorcycle would be a breach of his contract... doh!

 
Another example of why players with maturity problems should slip in the NFL draft... Now let's turn our attention to Clarett and see if he proves this once again.
How aboutTerrell Owens (crazy stunts, posing on the star in Texas stadium, etc.)

Emmitt Smith (Taking helmet off after every TD he scored to get his face on camera - resulted in NFL cracking down on taking one's helmet off).

Ray Lewis (Super Bowl incident, hanging out with a bad crowd.)

Bill Romanowski (Repeated cheap shots, dirty play, spitting on other players faces, etc.)

Randy Moss (mooing the end zone)

Jamal Lewis (drug trial)

And there's probably many, many more I'm forgetting. These are just some of the biggest ones.
Lawrence PhillipsRyan Leaf

Brian Bosworth

and several others

The risk often times is not worth the rewards. Moss didn't help the Vikes win anything and was more of a problem then a solution, Romo is on roids, Jamal has hurt his team through the drugs, TO is becoming more like Moss, Ray actually did help his team and so did Romo except in the case where he ended a teammates career, Emmitt has no business on that list.

 
Another example of why players with maturity problems should slip in the NFL draft... Now let's turn our attention to Clarett and see if he proves this once again.
How aboutTerrell Owens (crazy stunts, posing on the star in Texas stadium, etc.)

Emmitt Smith (Taking helmet off after every TD he scored to get his face on camera - resulted in NFL cracking down on taking one's helmet off).

Ray Lewis (Super Bowl incident, hanging out with a bad crowd.)

Bill Romanowski (Repeated cheap shots, dirty play, spitting on other players faces, etc.)

Randy Moss (mooing the end zone)

Jamal Lewis (drug trial)

And there's probably many, many more I'm forgetting. These are just some of the biggest ones.
Lawrence PhillipsRyan Leaf

Brian Bosworth

and several others

The risk often times is not worth the rewards. Moss didn't help the Vikes win anything and was more of a problem then a solution, Romo is on roids, Jamal has hurt his team through the drugs, TO is becoming more like Moss, Ray actually did help his team and so did Romo except in the case where he ended a teammates career, Emmitt has no business on that list.
WTF is Emmitt doing on the list? :confused: He took his helmet off when it was legal to do so and stopped doing it when they changed the rule.
 
I this same vein, I think Leonard Little would do well to buy a limousine and hire a driver, BTW.

My .02.
Why bother? He can repeatedly drive drunk and apparently get away scot-free. He was nailed dead-to-rights, wasted and they let him play the whole season before trying him and then he #######g got off!!! No conviction=no team/NFL penalties. He belongs in jail.
Hi Mad,I don't think much of Leonard Little but lots of people close to the situation there (several sportswriters who've been critical of Little) thought this was the right verdict. For what that's worth.

J
Who, the St Louis faithful? Not a chance. I read the reports of his arrest and can't see how a murderously repeat offender could get off with reckless driving or whatever BS charge they gave for his high BAC that he blew and drunken lack of coordibnation and stability. If it was his first offense, maybe. But I believe it was his third. And did I mention he killed someone? Any level of BAC should've landed his ### back in the pokey for a long, long time. He should NEVER be given ANY slack with alcohol and driving. EVER. And he was let free.
 
Who knows, with how competent the Poston's are they may never had told KW2 that riding a motorcycle would be a breach of his contract... doh!
Ignorance is not an excuse. He signed it, he could've/should've read it and understood it. A $40 million contract and you're not going to read it? Shame on them (if that's possible) for not telling him ALL aspects of the contract but that is still no excuse for the Broken One to not know.
 
Another example of why players with maturity problems should slip in the NFL draft... Now let's turn our attention to Clarett and see if he proves this once again.
How aboutTerrell Owens (crazy stunts, posing on the star in Texas stadium, etc.)

Emmitt Smith (Taking helmet off after every TD he scored to get his face on camera - resulted in NFL cracking down on taking one's helmet off).

Ray Lewis (Super Bowl incident, hanging out with a bad crowd.)

Bill Romanowski (Repeated cheap shots, dirty play, spitting on other players faces, etc.)

Randy Moss (mooing the end zone)

Jamal Lewis (drug trial)

And there's probably many, many more I'm forgetting. These are just some of the biggest ones.
Jamal's trial may have been recently but the offense occured while he was in college. As far as we know he's been clean in the pros.
 
Pasquerelli Article

Pasquerelli has spoken with two Browns sources, one of which said "the club strongly suspects an anterior cruciate tear based on the degree of swelling in the knee."
Thank you for posting that.
A number of media reports indicate that Winslow did tear the ligament, in the same leg he fractured in the second game of the '04 season, and that the surgery required to repair the damage will sideline him for all of 2005. However, none of those reports has come from the team – which, except for two short press releases, has largely reserved comment on the specifics of Winslow's injuries...................

..............Two team sources have told ESPN.com, however, that Cleveland officials fear Winslow will miss the 2005 season because of the knee injury. One of them said the club "strongly suspects" an anterior cruciate tear, based on the degree of swelling in the knee. Because of that swelling, though, not even the Cleveland medical staff might be certain yet about the damage to the knee. There are times when an MRI exam is rendered meaningless because excessive swelling does not permit a clear reading of the test.

If the team has conducted an MRI exam and is aware of ligament damage, officials are not saying at this point.
 
Another example of why players with maturity problems should slip in the NFL draft... Now let's turn our attention to Clarett and see if he proves this once again.
How aboutTerrell Owens (crazy stunts, posing on the star in Texas stadium, etc.)

Emmitt Smith (Taking helmet off after every TD he scored to get his face on camera - resulted in NFL cracking down on taking one's helmet off).

Ray Lewis (Super Bowl incident, hanging out with a bad crowd.)

Bill Romanowski (Repeated cheap shots, dirty play, spitting on other players faces, etc.)

Randy Moss (mooing the end zone)

Jamal Lewis (drug trial)

And there's probably many, many more I'm forgetting. These are just some of the biggest ones.
Lawrence PhillipsRyan Leaf

Brian Bosworth

and several others

The risk often times is not worth the rewards. Moss didn't help the Vikes win anything and was more of a problem then a solution, Romo is on roids, Jamal has hurt his team through the drugs, TO is becoming more like Moss, Ray actually did help his team and so did Romo except in the case where he ended a teammates career, Emmitt has no business on that list.
Emmitt has no business on that list?We are looking at maturity problems.

Taking your helmet off in the end zone to get face time to the point where the NFL cracks down on you is obviously a maturity problem.

 
Another example of why players with maturity problems should slip in the NFL draft... Now let's turn our attention to Clarett and see if he proves this once again.
How aboutTerrell Owens (crazy stunts, posing on the star in Texas stadium, etc.)

Emmitt Smith (Taking helmet off after every TD he scored to get his face on camera - resulted in NFL cracking down on taking one's helmet off).

Ray Lewis (Super Bowl incident, hanging out with a bad crowd.)

Bill Romanowski (Repeated cheap shots, dirty play, spitting on other players faces, etc.)

Randy Moss (mooing the end zone)

Jamal Lewis (drug trial)

And there's probably many, many more I'm forgetting. These are just some of the biggest ones.
Lawrence PhillipsRyan Leaf

Brian Bosworth

and several others

The risk often times is not worth the rewards. Moss didn't help the Vikes win anything and was more of a problem then a solution, Romo is on roids, Jamal has hurt his team through the drugs, TO is becoming more like Moss, Ray actually did help his team and so did Romo except in the case where he ended a teammates career, Emmitt has no business on that list.
WTF is Emmitt doing on the list? :confused: He took his helmet off when it was legal to do so and stopped doing it when they changed the rule.
Emmitt was being a jack### about it so they changed the rule.
 
Another example of why players with maturity problems should slip in the NFL draft... Now let's turn our attention to Clarett and see if he proves this once again.
How aboutTerrell Owens (crazy stunts, posing on the star in Texas stadium, etc.)

Emmitt Smith (Taking helmet off after every TD he scored to get his face on camera - resulted in NFL cracking down on taking one's helmet off).

Ray Lewis (Super Bowl incident, hanging out with a bad crowd.)

Bill Romanowski (Repeated cheap shots, dirty play, spitting on other players faces, etc.)

Randy Moss (mooing the end zone)

Jamal Lewis (drug trial)

And there's probably many, many more I'm forgetting. These are just some of the biggest ones.
Lawrence PhillipsRyan Leaf

Brian Bosworth

and several others

The risk often times is not worth the rewards. Moss didn't help the Vikes win anything and was more of a problem then a solution, Romo is on roids, Jamal has hurt his team through the drugs, TO is becoming more like Moss, Ray actually did help his team and so did Romo except in the case where he ended a teammates career, Emmitt has no business on that list.
Emmitt has no business on that list?We are looking at maturity problems.

Taking your helmet off in the end zone to get face time to the point where the NFL cracks down on you is obviously a maturity problem.
Every other sport you can see the players faces except for football. It was a marketing tool and one that worked, IMO. Also that is a pretty damn smart marketing tool for being oh so immature.
 
Another example of why players with maturity problems should slip in the NFL draft... Now let's turn our attention to Clarett and see if he proves this once again.
How aboutTerrell Owens (crazy stunts, posing on the star in Texas stadium, etc.)

Emmitt Smith (Taking helmet off after every TD he scored to get his face on camera - resulted in NFL cracking down on taking one's helmet off).

Ray Lewis (Super Bowl incident, hanging out with a bad crowd.)

Bill Romanowski (Repeated cheap shots, dirty play, spitting on other players faces, etc.)

Randy Moss (mooing the end zone)

Jamal Lewis (drug trial)

And there's probably many, many more I'm forgetting. These are just some of the biggest ones.
Lawrence PhillipsRyan Leaf

Brian Bosworth

and several others

The risk often times is not worth the rewards. Moss didn't help the Vikes win anything and was more of a problem then a solution, Romo is on roids, Jamal has hurt his team through the drugs, TO is becoming more like Moss, Ray actually did help his team and so did Romo except in the case where he ended a teammates career, Emmitt has no business on that list.
WTF is Emmitt doing on the list? :confused: He took his helmet off when it was legal to do so and stopped doing it when they changed the rule.
Emmitt was being a jack### about it so they changed the rule.
Showing your face is being a jack### these days? :confused: I don't agree with the rule and think it's good to be able to see the players with their helmets off. Regardless of what you think of the rule, I don't see how Emmitt did anything inappropriate when there wasn't a rule about it.

 
Nothing is confirmed yet. Hoping for MRI today. Good article on what other league exec's are saying.

The growing concern inside the organization is that Winslow may have suffered multiple injuries to his right knee and leg. There is new speculation that Winslow injured his kneecap in addition to ligament damage, and possibly has a hairline fracture of the right femur. Swelling in the knee has prevented Winslow from receiving a magnetic resonance imaging exam, but it may be done as early as today.
link
 
Found this:http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=..._id=21848&rfi=6

Winslow's season likely over Jeff Schudel Staff Writer 05/06/2005 Email to a friend Voice your opinion Printer-friendly Multiple sources say right ACL is torn; another says tight end has additional injuries in shoulder Advertisement In their best imitation of Sergeant Schultz, the Browns continue to say they know nothing about Kellen Winslow's diagnosis, but three separate sources confirm the suspicion Winslow's right anterior cruciate ligament is torn and that he is likely to miss the entire 2005 season.In addition to the knee, the 21-year-old tight end also has ligament and tendon damage in his right shoulder, a source said. He faces surgery to repair both injuries. There is also concern Winslow's right kneecap could be damaged.Winslow has been hospitalized since Sunday night after crashing his motorcycle into a curb at 35 mph, flying over the handlebars, and landing 16 feet from his wrecked Suzuki in dirt and branches after first hitting a small tree hard enough to tear it from the ground, according to police reports.The source described Winslow's internal injuries from the accident as a punctured lung and a bruised kidney. Though the Browns have never identified the internal injuries they admitted exist in a release Monday, they did say in a release Thursday that the internal injuries are improving.Privately, some within the Browns organization are concerned Winslow might never be the player he was expected to be when former coach Butch Davis drafted him with the sixth pick in the first round in 2004 because the injured knee is part of the same leg he hurt last year playing football.Winslow, 6-4, 250 pounds, never had injury problems in three seasons at the University of Miami (he left after his junior season), but since turning pro, his career has been as downhill as the first drop on a roller coaster.Winslow's troubles began in minicamp of June 2004, when he said it didn't matter if he got to training camp on time because he could study the playbook on his own time - an attitude that did not thrill management. He held out and got a six-year, $40 million contract - a record for a tight end.So far all the Browns have for their money is five catches. Winslow was injured in the second game last year during an onside kick Sept. 19 in Dallas. At first, the injury was diagnosed as a routine fractured fibula - if there is such a thing. He was supposed to be back on the field no more than eight weeks later.Within a week, however, doctors discovered a torn ligament connecting the fibula to the ankle and a second, trickier, surgery was required. That ended his rookie season after just two games.Winslow was still rehabilitating from the injuries sustained in Dallas right up to the time he crashed his motorcycle. The Browns were hopeful he would be 100 percent by the start of training camp in July. ©The News-Herald 2005
 
Another example of why players with maturity problems should slip in the NFL draft... Now let's turn our attention to Clarett and see if he proves this once again.
How aboutTerrell Owens (crazy stunts, posing on the star in Texas stadium, etc.)

Emmitt Smith (Taking helmet off after every TD he scored to get his face on camera - resulted in NFL cracking down on taking one's helmet off).

Ray Lewis (Super Bowl incident, hanging out with a bad crowd.)

Bill Romanowski (Repeated cheap shots, dirty play, spitting on other players faces, etc.)

Randy Moss (mooing the end zone)

Jamal Lewis (drug trial)

And there's probably many, many more I'm forgetting. These are just some of the biggest ones.
Lawrence PhillipsRyan Leaf

Brian Bosworth

and several others

The risk often times is not worth the rewards. Moss didn't help the Vikes win anything and was more of a problem then a solution, Romo is on roids, Jamal has hurt his team through the drugs, TO is becoming more like Moss, Ray actually did help his team and so did Romo except in the case where he ended a teammates career, Emmitt has no business on that list.
Emmitt has no business on that list?We are looking at maturity problems.

Taking your helmet off in the end zone to get face time to the point where the NFL cracks down on you is obviously a maturity problem.
Every other sport you can see the players faces except for football. It was a marketing tool and one that worked, IMO. Also that is a pretty damn smart marketing tool for being oh so immature.
And what if one time he takes his helmet off thinking the play was over, only it wasn't and then he gets into a tackle of some kind and got hurt? He was a jack###.
 
Another example of why players with maturity problems should slip in the NFL draft... Now let's turn our attention to Clarett and see if he proves this once again.
How aboutTerrell Owens (crazy stunts, posing on the star in Texas stadium, etc.)

Emmitt Smith (Taking helmet off after every TD he scored to get his face on camera - resulted in NFL cracking down on taking one's helmet off).

Ray Lewis (Super Bowl incident, hanging out with a bad crowd.)

Bill Romanowski (Repeated cheap shots, dirty play, spitting on other players faces, etc.)

Randy Moss (mooing the end zone)

Jamal Lewis (drug trial)

And there's probably many, many more I'm forgetting. These are just some of the biggest ones.
Lawrence PhillipsRyan Leaf

Brian Bosworth

and several others

The risk often times is not worth the rewards. Moss didn't help the Vikes win anything and was more of a problem then a solution, Romo is on roids, Jamal has hurt his team through the drugs, TO is becoming more like Moss, Ray actually did help his team and so did Romo except in the case where he ended a teammates career, Emmitt has no business on that list.
Emmitt has no business on that list?We are looking at maturity problems.

Taking your helmet off in the end zone to get face time to the point where the NFL cracks down on you is obviously a maturity problem.
Every other sport you can see the players faces except for football. It was a marketing tool and one that worked, IMO. Also that is a pretty damn smart marketing tool for being oh so immature.
And what if one time he takes his helmet off thinking the play was over, only it wasn't and then he gets into a tackle of some kind and got hurt? He was a jack###.
You said he did it when he got in the endzone, to get face time. When he gets in the endzone the play is over right? Sounds to me like you just don't like the guy and are trying to argue just to argue.
 
Another example of why players with maturity problems should slip in the NFL draft... Now let's turn our attention to Clarett and see if he proves this once again.
How aboutTerrell Owens (crazy stunts, posing on the star in Texas stadium, etc.)

Emmitt Smith (Taking helmet off after every TD he scored to get his face on camera - resulted in NFL cracking down on taking one's helmet off).

Ray Lewis (Super Bowl incident, hanging out with a bad crowd.)

Bill Romanowski (Repeated cheap shots, dirty play, spitting on other players faces, etc.)

Randy Moss (mooing the end zone)

Jamal Lewis (drug trial)

And there's probably many, many more I'm forgetting. These are just some of the biggest ones.
Lawrence PhillipsRyan Leaf

Brian Bosworth

and several others

The risk often times is not worth the rewards. Moss didn't help the Vikes win anything and was more of a problem then a solution, Romo is on roids, Jamal has hurt his team through the drugs, TO is becoming more like Moss, Ray actually did help his team and so did Romo except in the case where he ended a teammates career, Emmitt has no business on that list.
Emmitt has no business on that list?We are looking at maturity problems.

Taking your helmet off in the end zone to get face time to the point where the NFL cracks down on you is obviously a maturity problem.
Every other sport you can see the players faces except for football. It was a marketing tool and one that worked, IMO. Also that is a pretty damn smart marketing tool for being oh so immature.
And what if one time he takes his helmet off thinking the play was over, only it wasn't and then he gets into a tackle of some kind and got hurt? He was a jack###.
You said he did it when he got in the endzone, to get face time. When he gets in the endzone the play is over right? Sounds to me like you just don't like the guy and are trying to argue just to argue.
Emmitt is not a jack###. A lot of players are, but Emmitt? Nothing but class and it sounds to be like you are someone who hated the Cowboys and laying your hate on Emmitt. Say what you want about many of the Cowboys players, but you are dead wrong calling Emmitt a jack###.
 
Another example of why players with maturity problems should slip in the NFL draft... Now let's turn our attention to Clarett and see if he proves this once again.
How aboutTerrell Owens (crazy stunts, posing on the star in Texas stadium, etc.)

Emmitt Smith (Taking helmet off after every TD he scored to get his face on camera - resulted in NFL cracking down on taking one's helmet off).

Ray Lewis (Super Bowl incident, hanging out with a bad crowd.)

Bill Romanowski (Repeated cheap shots, dirty play, spitting on other players faces, etc.)

Randy Moss (mooing the end zone)

Jamal Lewis (drug trial)

And there's probably many, many more I'm forgetting. These are just some of the biggest ones.
Lawrence PhillipsRyan Leaf

Brian Bosworth

and several others

The risk often times is not worth the rewards. Moss didn't help the Vikes win anything and was more of a problem then a solution, Romo is on roids, Jamal has hurt his team through the drugs, TO is becoming more like Moss, Ray actually did help his team and so did Romo except in the case where he ended a teammates career, Emmitt has no business on that list.
Emmitt has no business on that list?We are looking at maturity problems.

Taking your helmet off in the end zone to get face time to the point where the NFL cracks down on you is obviously a maturity problem.
Every other sport you can see the players faces except for football. It was a marketing tool and one that worked, IMO. Also that is a pretty damn smart marketing tool for being oh so immature.
And what if one time he takes his helmet off thinking the play was over, only it wasn't and then he gets into a tackle of some kind and got hurt? He was a jack###.
You said he did it when he got in the endzone, to get face time. When he gets in the endzone the play is over right? Sounds to me like you just don't like the guy and are trying to argue just to argue.
Emmitt is not a jack###. A lot of players are, but Emmitt? Nothing but class and it sounds to be like you are someone who hated the Cowboys and laying your hate on Emmitt. Say what you want about many of the Cowboys players, but you are dead wrong calling Emmitt a jack###.
I'm a Browns fan. I have absolutely no feelings either way for the Dallas Cowboys. To say Emmitt is nothing but class is ridiculous.
 
Another example of why players with maturity problems should slip in the NFL draft... Now let's turn our attention to Clarett and see if he proves this once again.
How aboutTerrell Owens (crazy stunts, posing on the star in Texas stadium, etc.)

Emmitt Smith (Taking helmet off after every TD he scored to get his face on camera - resulted in NFL cracking down on taking one's helmet off).

Ray Lewis (Super Bowl incident, hanging out with a bad crowd.)

Bill Romanowski (Repeated cheap shots, dirty play, spitting on other players faces, etc.)

Randy Moss (mooing the end zone)

Jamal Lewis (drug trial)

And there's probably many, many more I'm forgetting. These are just some of the biggest ones.
Lawrence PhillipsRyan Leaf

Brian Bosworth

and several others

The risk often times is not worth the rewards. Moss didn't help the Vikes win anything and was more of a problem then a solution, Romo is on roids, Jamal has hurt his team through the drugs, TO is becoming more like Moss, Ray actually did help his team and so did Romo except in the case where he ended a teammates career, Emmitt has no business on that list.
Emmitt has no business on that list?We are looking at maturity problems.

Taking your helmet off in the end zone to get face time to the point where the NFL cracks down on you is obviously a maturity problem.
Every other sport you can see the players faces except for football. It was a marketing tool and one that worked, IMO. Also that is a pretty damn smart marketing tool for being oh so immature.
And what if one time he takes his helmet off thinking the play was over, only it wasn't and then he gets into a tackle of some kind and got hurt? He was a jack###.
You said he did it when he got in the endzone, to get face time. When he gets in the endzone the play is over right? Sounds to me like you just don't like the guy and are trying to argue just to argue.
One can imagine he fumbles just as he breaks the plane, but he acts like he scored and takes off his hat. Then someone goes, "Hey! there's no whistle! The ball is over there!" and lunges for it. Then Emmitt gets caught up in a play without his helmet and gets hurt. Just leave your helmet on until you get off the field, jack###.

 
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Privately, some within the Browns organization are concerned Winslow might never be the player he was expected to be when former coach Butch Davis drafted him with the sixth pick in the first round in 2004 because the injured knee is part of the same leg he hurt last year playing football.
Thanks FM.That guy writing didn't really go out on a limb there did he?... ;)J
 
Another example of why players with maturity problems should slip in the NFL draft... Now let's turn our attention to Clarett and see if he proves this once again.
How aboutTerrell Owens (crazy stunts, posing on the star in Texas stadium, etc.)

Emmitt Smith (Taking helmet off after every TD he scored to get his face on camera - resulted in NFL cracking down on taking one's helmet off).

Ray Lewis (Super Bowl incident, hanging out with a bad crowd.)

Bill Romanowski (Repeated cheap shots, dirty play, spitting on other players faces, etc.)

Randy Moss (mooing the end zone)

Jamal Lewis (drug trial)

And there's probably many, many more I'm forgetting. These are just some of the biggest ones.
Lawrence PhillipsRyan Leaf

Brian Bosworth

and several others

The risk often times is not worth the rewards. Moss didn't help the Vikes win anything and was more of a problem then a solution, Romo is on roids, Jamal has hurt his team through the drugs, TO is becoming more like Moss, Ray actually did help his team and so did Romo except in the case where he ended a teammates career, Emmitt has no business on that list.
Emmitt has no business on that list?We are looking at maturity problems.

Taking your helmet off in the end zone to get face time to the point where the NFL cracks down on you is obviously a maturity problem.
Every other sport you can see the players faces except for football. It was a marketing tool and one that worked, IMO. Also that is a pretty damn smart marketing tool for being oh so immature.
And what if one time he takes his helmet off thinking the play was over, only it wasn't and then he gets into a tackle of some kind and got hurt? He was a jack###.
You said he did it when he got in the endzone, to get face time. When he gets in the endzone the play is over right? Sounds to me like you just don't like the guy and are trying to argue just to argue.
One can imagine he fumbles just as he breaks the plane, but he acts like he scored and takes off his hat. Then someone goes, "Hey! there's no whistle! The ball is over there!" and lunges for it. Then Emmitt gets caught up in a play without his helmet and gets hurt. Just leave your helmet on until you get off the field, jack###.
Yeah, that happens ALL the time. :lmao: No wonder it's the No Fun League...

 
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It is now looking like not only might Winslows season be over, but his career....

http://www.newsnet5.com/sports/4460612/detail.html

WEWS NEWS Channel 5 in Cleveland is reporting that the injurys to Kellen Winslow Jr. are in fact WORSE than even speculated before... From there health specialist and sources at the Cleveland Clinic:

1. RE-BROKE the leg that was injured last season

2. BROKE the THIGH BONE on the same leg

3. TORN ACL same leg

4. KIDNEY damage

5. LIVER damage

6. TORN LABRUM in right shoulder

 

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