WIS MMXI: Back to the Future Edition- Draft & Season Thread (1 Viewer)

[Spartans Rule]

Sorry to hear that AoD. Best wishes.

We've had people own two teams before so if oso wants to co-own that's cool.

 

[Greco]

I can't finish last twice in the same season, again. It would destroy my self esteem.

 

[RnR]

4.14 Martin Prado, 2B ATL

With Uggla in ATL, you're going to have a tough time with that 2B slotting. Not impossible though. He could have some nice flexibility.

 

[Eephus]

It's uncanny how drafts seem to get into a daily pattern. Unfortunately, this one is falling into a mode where the run of three out of four West Coast drafters comes up in the morning.

 

[SoCalBroncoFan]

4.16 Brett Gardner OF

I am up right?

 

[Eephus]

4 . 11 Arsenal..

4 . 12 ChemX…. Brett Myers P

4 . 13 rodg12… Shane Victorino OF

4 . 14 Greco…. Martin Prado 2B

4 . 15 cheese… BJ Upton OF

4 . 16 SCBF….. Brett Gardner OF

4 . 17 belljr…

4 . 18 scoobus..

4 . 19 eephus…

4 . 20 jfranco77

4 . 21 moops….

4 . 22 LB_44….

4 . 23 sammy….

4 . 24 TRE……

 

[scoobus]

4 . 11 Arsenal.. 4 . 12 ChemX…. Brett Myers P4 . 13 rodg12… Shane Victorino OF4 . 14 Greco…. Martin Prado 2B4 . 15 cheese… BJ Upton OF4 . 16 SCBF….. Brett Gardner OF4 . 17 belljr… 4 . 18 scoobus.. 4 . 19 eephus… 4 . 20 jfranco77 4 . 21 moops…. 4 . 22 LB_44…. 4 . 23 sammy…. 4 . 24 TRE……

Arsenal took Shaun Marcum

 

[belljr]

omg - I have no idea

4.17 belljr Ted Lilly P

 

[Greco]

4.14 Martin Prado, 2B ATL

With Uggla in ATL, you're going to have a tough time with that 2B slotting. Not impossible though. He could have some nice flexibility.

It was either him or Jeff Feagles. (sorry for spotlighting)

 

[Sammy3469]

Anonymous User 128 :hi:

 

[jfranco77]

 

[Doug B]

4.18 (90) Scoobus west coast

4.19 (91) Eephus west coast

4.20 (92) Jfranco77

4.21 (93) Moops

4.22 (94) Larry Boy

4.23 (95) Sammy

4.24 (96) Tre

5.1 (97) Tre

5.2 (98) Sammy

5.3 (99) Larry Boy

 

[jfranco77]

Ah, there's the problem. FYI, I'm east coast (not just staying up late)

 

[oso diablo]

You can blame Oso. Kelly doesn't even cross my mind if my #3/#4 SP's are still on the board.

i guess people have convinced themselves that top tier pitchers don't carry the same injury/variance risk. I disagree. We've already seen Wainwright go down to injury, and it was only our struggle to get this thing going that saved an owner from that demise. And i can point to 2010 to find otherwise top-tier pitchers who stank up the joint.Which is why i think almost every pitcher drafted thus far was picked too early.

 

[scoobus]

4.18 Alexei Ramirez

 

[Eephus]

4.20 Colby Rasmus OF

 

[SoCalBroncoFan]

You can blame Oso. Kelly doesn't even cross my mind if my #3/#4 SP's are still on the board.

i guess people have convinced themselves that top tier pitchers don't carry the same injury/variance risk. I disagree. We've already seen Wainwright go down to injury, and it was only our struggle to get this thing going that saved an owner from that demise. And i can point to 2010 to find otherwise top-tier pitchers who stank up the joint.Which is why i think almost every pitcher drafted thus far was picked too early.

You realize that hitters can get hurt too, right?

 

[jfranco77]

that's awesome. I waited all morning to pick Alexei Ramirez. Give me a couple minutes.

 

[Eephus]

that's awesome. I waited all morning to pick Alexei Ramirez. Give me a couple minutes.

Alexei wouldn't wait. He'd go up there hacking.

 

[jfranco77]

I love that eephus got his pick # wrong even though there is a list with the correct pick #s like 3 posts above his pick

4.20 Ben Zobrist, 2B/1B

Zorilla!!!

 

[RnR]

4.20 Colby Rasmus OF

Good pick.

 

[Eephus]

I love that eephus got his pick # wrong even though there is a list with the correct pick #s like 3 posts above his pick

coincidence that it was pick 4:20

 

[the moops]

I'm here, but Rasmus and Zobrist were the two guys I was looking at. Give me a few.

 

[rodg12]

I love that eephus got his pick # wrong even though there is a list with the correct pick #s like 3 posts above his pick

coincidence that it was pick 4:20

Lil early for that, don't ya think?

 

[Sammy3469]

I love that eephus got his pick # wrong even though there is a list with the correct pick #s like 3 posts above his pick

coincidence that it was pick 4:20

Lil early for that, don't ya think?

Not for koya

 

[RnR]

You can blame Oso. Kelly doesn't even cross my mind if my #3/#4 SP's are still on the board.

i guess people have convinced themselves that top tier pitchers don't carry the same injury/variance risk. I disagree. We've already seen Wainwright go down to injury, and it was only our struggle to get this thing going that saved an owner from that demise. And i can point to 2010 to find otherwise top-tier pitchers who stank up the joint.Which is why i think almost every pitcher drafted thus far was picked too early.

Same variance risk? I'll stand by and wait for the explanation of CC Sabathia's variance risk.I look at this league in terms of fielding a major league baseball club. That's essentially what we're trying to do in this draft. We're "playing GM" for a season. Pitching carries injury risks, sure, but that goes with the territory on almost every player in this draft. Just like every player is an injury risk to a real MLB team. But in "real" baseball (as opposed to "fantasy" baseball), pitching wins games.

 

[the moops]

I have no idea what I am doing.

4.21 Pablo Sandoval - 3B

 

[RnR]

I have no idea what I am doing.

4.21 Pablo Sandoval - 3B

If he bounces back this season, that will be a real nice value at a fairly weak position.

 

[jfranco77]

Also, a strategy of drafting 10-11 full-time hitters (to guard against attrition) is probably more viable than a strategy of drafting 6-7 SPs and hoping for the best. If that's the case, then elite pitching is probably a good thing to have, when paired with an army of decent hitters.

I am surprised that I only have 1 pitcher through 4 rounds, but Bautista was more attractive than the pitchers available at that point (not surprised to have C and 2B filled)

 

[Eephus]

You can blame Oso. Kelly doesn't even cross my mind if my #3/#4 SP's are still on the board.

i guess people have convinced themselves that top tier pitchers don't carry the same injury/variance risk. I disagree. We've already seen Wainwright go down to injury, and it was only our struggle to get this thing going that saved an owner from that demise. And i can point to 2010 to find otherwise top-tier pitchers who stank up the joint.Which is why i think almost every pitcher drafted thus far was picked too early.

Same variance risk? I'll stand by and wait for the explanation of CC Sabathia's variance risk.I look at this league in terms of fielding a major league baseball club. That's essentially what we're trying to do in this draft. We're "playing GM" for a season. Pitching carries injury risks, sure, but that goes with the territory on almost every player in this draft. Just like every player is an injury risk to a real MLB team. But in "real" baseball (as opposed to "fantasy" baseball), pitching wins games.

I think it's fair to say variance and injury risks for pitchers are higher, although the amount of difference is debatable. The decision to go with a big pre-season draft increases the value of pitchers (or at least raises the significance of getting some "safe" IPs early). The SOD will probably end up being an overperforming pitcher who gets drafted late.

 

[RnR]

The SOD will probably end up being an overperforming pitcher who gets drafted late.

Without question. There is always a Mat Latos or Josh Johnson type that crops up each season. I don't argue that pitching carries a little more injury risk, that's the nature of the beast. I do think it is terribly important to have some stability at the top end of your rotation. Some of the guys that haven't taken a pitcher yet are going to have to draft 10-12 SP and hope they get a serviceable 5 out of it. It may work, it may not.

 

[Greco]

I have no idea what I am doing.

I'm not only a member, I'm the president.

 

[Greco]

i'll be gone for the next 24 hours. some of you have my phone number. txt me and i'll pull names out of my ###. tia.

 

[Eephus]

The SOD will probably end up being an overperforming pitcher who gets drafted late.

Without question. There is always a Mat Latos or Josh Johnson type that crops up each season. I don't argue that pitching carries a little more injury risk, that's the nature of the beast. I do think it is terribly important to have some stability at the top end of your rotation. Some of the guys that haven't taken a pitcher yet are going to have to draft 10-12 SP and hope they get a serviceable 5 out of it. It may work, it may not.

I'll probably draft as many SPs as possible anyway. They're not that much riskier than RPs and there's always a chance one of them could end up being a steal. Usable IPs will be a valuable trade commodity.

 

[Eephus]

4 . 17 belljr… Ted Lilly P

4 . 18 scoobus.. Alexei Ramirez SS

4 . 19 eephus… Colby Rasmus OF

4 . 20 jfranco77 Ben Zobrist 2B

4 . 21 moops…. Pablo Sandoval 3B

4 . 22 LB_44…. OTC to xx45

4 . 23 sammy….

4 . 24 TRE……

5 . 01 TRE……

 

[the moops]

I have no idea what I am doing.

4.21 Pablo Sandoval - 3B

If he bounces back this season, that will be a real nice value at a fairly weak position.

3B and OF seem surprisingly thin to me this year.

 

[RnR]

I have no idea what I am doing.

4.21 Pablo Sandoval - 3B

If he bounces back this season, that will be a real nice value at a fairly weak position.

3B and OF seem surprisingly thin to me this year.

In my NFBC prep, 3B is the position that has really stood out to me so far. I knew SS was weak going in, but I'm now convinced that 3B is weaker than 2B in terms of depth. Beyond the top 4, I've got questions about anyone else available. Makes a guy like Sandoval an intriguing chance to take.To me, it feels like OF has been weak for a few years now. Of course, that's probably the effects of moving out of the steroid era, where a guy couldn't start in the corner OF without hitting 25 bombs a year.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Pretty good chance I'm not going to be around much today, so if my pick comes up Oso can go ahead and take the reigns. I should be back into things around the middle of next week.

 

[Eephus]

I have no idea what I am doing.

4.21 Pablo Sandoval - 3B

If he bounces back this season, that will be a real nice value at a fairly weak position.

3B and OF seem surprisingly thin to me this year.

hopefully the Panda is thinner

 

[cheese]

The SOD will probably end up being an overperforming pitcher who gets drafted late.

Without question. There is always a Mat Latos or Josh Johnson type that crops up each season. I don't argue that pitching carries a little more injury risk, that's the nature of the beast. I do think it is terribly important to have some stability at the top end of your rotation. Some of the guys that haven't taken a pitcher yet are going to have to draft 10-12 SP and hope they get a serviceable 5 out of it. It may work, it may not.

I agree with your theory, but as a drafter you have to know your own skill set also. I am more confident in my ability to find solid SP's out of a pile than I am in my ability to draft the "right" ace and fill my lineup with servicable position players.The other factor is the variance on your personal rankings compared to the consensus. If I know the hitters I want are guys that everyone will want, I have to take them high. If the pitching rankings are all over the board, I have no idea whether I need to take a pitcher I want now or not. At least there is a chance some of them will fall.

All that said, I need a pitcher soon

 

[RnR]

I have no idea what I am doing.

4.21 Pablo Sandoval - 3B

If he bounces back this season, that will be a real nice value at a fairly weak position.

3B and OF seem surprisingly thin to me this year.

hopefully the Panda is thinner

Since you are the resident SFG homer, what's his playing time look like? With Uribe/Renteria out of the picture, are they planning to live by the Panda this season? His absence in the World Series run last season makes me very concerned when evaluating his potential PA's this season. If he starts the season at .240, do they move to someone else in mid-May?

 

[Eephus]

29 pitchers drafted so far, all are starters :harrrr:

One team (SCBF) has drafted three

Nine teams have two

Eight teams have one

Six teams haven't drafted any pitchers yet

 

[jfranco77]

29 pitchers drafted so far, all are starters :harrrr:One team (SCBF) has drafted threeNine teams have twoEight teams have oneSix teams haven't drafted any pitchers yet

Well the Giants did win the WS with all pitching and scrubby hitters. Maybe SCBF is on to something.

 

[oso diablo]

Pretty good chance I'm not going to be around much today, so if my pick comes up Oso can go ahead and take the reigns. I should be back into things around the middle of next week.

i got your back. and "middle of next week" sounds a lot better than i was fearing last night. If you have any direction you'd like me to go in, please send a PM. Otherwise, i'm drafting right off my prepared rankings (with allowances for positions already filled, of course).

 

[Eephus]

I have no idea what I am doing.

4.21 Pablo Sandoval - 3B

If he bounces back this season, that will be a real nice value at a fairly weak position.

3B and OF seem surprisingly thin to me this year.

hopefully the Panda is thinner

Since you are the resident SFG homer, what's his playing time look like? With Uribe/Renteria out of the picture, are they planning to live by the Panda this season? His absence in the World Series run last season makes me very concerned when evaluating his potential PA's this season. If he starts the season at .240, do they move to someone else in mid-May?

If he's in shape and recovers his stroke, I think Bochy will find a way to get his bat in the lineup. He's kind of an all or nothing proposition because there's a chance he'll be in AAA (or so management says).I'm not sure I like him in WIS because he's a risk to get replaced by a late inning defensive sub. Even at reduced weight, he's no Brooks Robinson. My understanding of WIS defensive rankings is that range gets normalized over number of games rather than innings, so guys with a bunch of partial games at a position have reduced range in the sim. D- range isn't a showstopper if he hits though.

 

[SoCalBroncoFan]

29 pitchers drafted so far, all are starters :harrrr:One team (SCBF) has drafted threeNine teams have twoEight teams have oneSix teams haven't drafted any pitchers yet

Well the Giants did win the WS with all pitching and scrubby hitters. Maybe SCBF is on to something.

I usually go heavy pitching early in these drafts. I havent won a title in an FBG league yet, but I also havent finishedtoo badly. I am almost always above .500 and in the playoff hunt.

 

[larry_boy_44]

this is gonna be a risky pick as he's gotten hurt a few seasons recently...

SS Rafeal Furcal, Los Angeles Dodgers

however many PAs I get should be close to .300 BA with decent power, speed, and not a ton of Ks...

 

[Eephus]

this is gonna be a risky pick as he's gotten hurt a few seasons recently...SS Rafeal Furcal, Los Angeles Dodgershowever many PAs I get should be close to .300 BA with decent power, speed, and not a ton of Ks...

Larry: a one hour clock means you can pick at any time within the hour. You don't have to wait 60 min. before making your pick.

 

[Eephus]

4 . 23 sammy…. In the thread

4 . 24 TRE…… On the deck

5 . 01 TRE……

5 . 02 sammy….

5 . 03 LB_44…. Still unclear on concept

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Pretty good chance I'm not going to be around much today, so if my pick comes up Oso can go ahead and take the reigns. I should be back into things around the middle of next week.

i got your back. and "middle of next week" sounds a lot better than i was fearing last night. If you have any direction you'd like me to go in, please send a PM. Otherwise, i'm drafting right off my prepared rankings (with allowances for positions already filled, of course).

Thanks. I have a spinal cord contusion and central cord syndrome from a disk protrusion in my neck. Apparently I was a couple of millimeters away from potentially being paralyzed, but the surgery to correct it (cervical disk fusion) is fairly routine as far as operations around the spinal cord go.