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WIS MMXI: Back to the Future Edition-Rules & Signup Thread (1 Viewer)
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larry_boy_44
Footballguy
why not set up a 40 round draft...
But set dates for when each set of a certain # of rounds starts on...
round 1-10 starts Feb. 1
round 11-20 starts March 1
round 21-25 April 1
round 26-30 May 1
round 31-35 June 1
round 36-40 July 1
round 41-45 August 1
round 46-50 September 1
and allow trading of picks in the rounds to happen all throughout the draft. Players, picks, etc. can all be traded from day 1. We can either set the draft order and have each round numbered from the beginning, or we could even re-pick draft order each set of rounds... But either way allow trading of future picks...
That SHOULD create incentive to make trades, since players and picks can all be traded from day 1 and there is going to end up being varied opinions of value to the middle picks of the season (and late season picks, too)
But set dates for when each set of a certain # of rounds starts on...
round 1-10 starts Feb. 1
round 11-20 starts March 1
round 21-25 April 1
round 26-30 May 1
round 31-35 June 1
round 36-40 July 1
round 41-45 August 1
round 46-50 September 1
and allow trading of picks in the rounds to happen all throughout the draft. Players, picks, etc. can all be traded from day 1. We can either set the draft order and have each round numbered from the beginning, or we could even re-pick draft order each set of rounds... But either way allow trading of future picks...
That SHOULD create incentive to make trades, since players and picks can all be traded from day 1 and there is going to end up being varied opinions of value to the middle picks of the season (and late season picks, too)
boubucarow
Footballguy
That is insane. And I want to do it.
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
It would need a few tweaks but it's an intriguing concept.
Eephus
Footballguy
The end phases would be a waste of time. There aren't that many usable players in a single season pool. I really don't like the idea of roster sizes over 30.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
if we are doing an all time draft? Yes. You are correct.HOWEVER, since the players we draft will approximately perform how they perform IRL in our league, that makes most everyone usable as long as they were functionally usable to thier IRL MLB teams...
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
you know, I'm re-thinking this... I think we go with this setup:Feb 1 - 1-5March 1 - 6-10April 1 - 11-15May 1 - 16-20June 1 - 21-25July 1 - 26-30August 1 - 31-35September 1 - 36-40October 1 - 41-???In fact, i would almost say we should make the initial draft date March 1 instead of April 1st and then finish in October...either way, we'll probably need to be doing other WIS leagues in the rest of the summer to fight our usual summer boredom... lol
Notorious T.R.E.
Showdown!™ Administrator
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the moops
Footballguy
@ LB44
RnR
Footballguy
Simple solution:
1- Go with the 40-man draft that seems to have some support here
2- 25 man roster + 15 player minor league system to cover PA/IP
3- Have every team but one entered into an WIS league for the duration of the MLB season with placeholder players (This makes people commit to paying for the team up front)
4- Allow trading through the MLB season.
5- WIS season starts as soon as the 2011 players are added to the database.
If you must have something to do through the season, let's just run the next short-era draft through the summer.
It seems all these dispersal drafts are going to over complicate things, be a detractors to potential participants, and make this more about player break-out timing and correlating draft positions than it is about drafting the best players and managing your roster.
1- Go with the 40-man draft that seems to have some support here
2- 25 man roster + 15 player minor league system to cover PA/IP
3- Have every team but one entered into an WIS league for the duration of the MLB season with placeholder players (This makes people commit to paying for the team up front)
4- Allow trading through the MLB season.
5- WIS season starts as soon as the 2011 players are added to the database.
If you must have something to do through the season, let's just run the next short-era draft through the summer.
It seems all these dispersal drafts are going to over complicate things, be a detractors to potential participants, and make this more about player break-out timing and correlating draft positions than it is about drafting the best players and managing your roster.
boubucarow
Footballguy
RnR
Footballguy
Sorry for the moment of clarity. Let's get back to dinosaurs, Gary Peters, Jesus Dragons, and Paradigm Shifts in Dispersal Drafts.
SoCalBroncoFan
Footballguy
Lets do this, then we put all drafted teams in a pool and we all roll a dice and lowest gets first pick of teams, second lowest gets next pick, etc...Then at the all-star break we are forced to roll dice and switch teams and we can add up the our first half record and our second half record to determine who is the best.Or.. we could just draft like RnR said......
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Eephus
Footballguy
WIS won't hold a league of placeholder players for seven months.A 40 round draft for a single season WIS league will be drudgery by the end. There will be weeks of bottom feeding without the promise of Sim Live to lighten things up.Sorry for the moment of clarity. Let's get back to dinosaurs, Gary Peters, Jesus Dragons, and Paradigm Shifts in Dispersal Drafts.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
here's the problem:
no matter how we do this, there is no way we can do it before the season starts and not do a "supplemental" draft after the season.
Could we do 25 now and 10 or 15 or whatever later? Sure.
Could we do 15 now and 25 later? Yeah.
we could do 5 a month or 10 4 times (or 5 or whatever). Doesn't matter. But we cannot just have this draft at one time, because we might end up with teams that don't have enough ABs/IPs to field a competitive team... I mean, I guess we could go 35 or 40 deep now so everyone has a bunch of reserves and if they aren't drafted they aren't eligible... But will we really stick to this for 6 months with no sim live?
no matter how we do this, there is no way we can do it before the season starts and not do a "supplemental" draft after the season.
Could we do 25 now and 10 or 15 or whatever later? Sure.
Could we do 15 now and 25 later? Yeah.
we could do 5 a month or 10 4 times (or 5 or whatever). Doesn't matter. But we cannot just have this draft at one time, because we might end up with teams that don't have enough ABs/IPs to field a competitive team... I mean, I guess we could go 35 or 40 deep now so everyone has a bunch of reserves and if they aren't drafted they aren't eligible... But will we really stick to this for 6 months with no sim live?
RnR
Footballguy
Something tells me they will hold our league in limbo for a few months with over $300 of guaranteed revenue. Could be wrong though. If that doesn't work, we can find an alternative to keep people financially committed to avoid the mass exodus you're predicting.Making your way through a 40-round draft seems pretty simple. If things get slow, you skip. If you get skipped, you have a deadline to make-up the picks at the end. If you don't make up the picks at the end, you don't get the slot on your 40-man roster filled. Not rocket science.I understand you don't like this idea, but I really don't have any interest in multiple drafts spread intermittently throughout the season just for the sake of team equality and some sort of self-derived in-season interest. Maybe I'm alone in that, but I just think it takes what was an interesting concept of drafting players before the season and turns it into an over-complicated six-month affair setting up for a huge let down of replaying the 2011 season as "evenly" as possible.WIS won't hold a league of placeholder players for seven months.A 40 round draft for a single season WIS league will be drudgery by the end. There will be weeks of bottom feeding without the promise of Sim Live to lighten things up.
RnR
Footballguy
If you can't find enough IP and PA to field a 25 man roster out of 40 players, you're always welcome to trade. I'm sure a quality for quantity trade or two fixes this for most guys. It is all a part of the strategy of drafting in this format. I talked about this at length on the first page.I'm not sure why we won't "stick to this." Draft in Feb/March, enjoy the baseball season, and then in October evaluate your 40-man roster and get things ready to go for our Opening Day. Not sure why it needs to be more complicated than that. Most of us have fantasy baseball or something of that nature to keep our interest through the baseball season. A 35th round pick in August is going to get less attention than it would in March. Just my opinion.
Notorious T.R.E.
Showdown!™ Administrator
Feels like the wheels are falling off the wagon already. Is this a pre-2011 season draft or not?
Brady Marino
Footballguy
And I thought LB44 would give this draft a real nostalgia factor.
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Hoos First
Footballguy
I say 28 now. 4 at All-Star Break, 3 at the end of the season.
Super Nintendo Chalmers
Footballguy
I am in. I think we should do as much of the draft pre-season as possible. Maybe 80pre and 20 durring, either 30 or 40 players. It adds a little to the randomness and as the TRE rankings showed there is no real formula for winning this thing. I think we have done enough of these that we really don't have to worry about people not paying once the season is over so I don't think that will be a big deal.
oso diablo
Footballguy
here's what i was thinking...
1. Draft your 25 man roster now.
2. 50 games into MLB season, have some sort of add/drop process where you can exchange up to, say, 5 players.*
3. Do the same thing at 100 games.
4. The WIS season would mirror your MLB season. Meaning, you start WIS with your original 25 players.
5. 50 games into the WIS season, you execute your add/drops.
6. Ditto at 100 WIS games.
I think this provides for a manageable draft, plus makes allowances for low PA/IP due to injury, etc.
* no strong feelings on best add/drop process
1. Draft your 25 man roster now.
2. 50 games into MLB season, have some sort of add/drop process where you can exchange up to, say, 5 players.*
3. Do the same thing at 100 games.
4. The WIS season would mirror your MLB season. Meaning, you start WIS with your original 25 players.
5. 50 games into the WIS season, you execute your add/drops.
6. Ditto at 100 WIS games.
I think this provides for a manageable draft, plus makes allowances for low PA/IP due to injury, etc.
* no strong feelings on best add/drop process
Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
Another thought I had is that we could start with a 30 or 40 man draft prior to the season, then have a few subsequent drafts where each team can protect their top 25 players. Each subsequent draft would go in reverse order from the previous, maybe with a compensation round for teams that lose a player from their unprotected pool.
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
My idea, pretty similar to the ones being suggested...
We have a 25 or 30 round draft before the season.
We have one supplemental draft, probably around the all-star break. To pick a player in the supplemental draft, you must drop a previously selected player. The supplemental draft order will be determined by when the players you dropped were originally picked. So if you take Pujols 1.1 and he breaks his leg on opening day, you'll at least be guaranteed the first supplemental pick.
I think this way, the supplemental draft will be more about injury replacements, making sure everyone's got enough PAs and promoting parity rather than just a way for whoever's fortunate enough to pick first to steal the fluke player of the season.
We have a 25 or 30 round draft before the season.
We have one supplemental draft, probably around the all-star break. To pick a player in the supplemental draft, you must drop a previously selected player. The supplemental draft order will be determined by when the players you dropped were originally picked. So if you take Pujols 1.1 and he breaks his leg on opening day, you'll at least be guaranteed the first supplemental pick.
I think this way, the supplemental draft will be more about injury replacements, making sure everyone's got enough PAs and promoting parity rather than just a way for whoever's fortunate enough to pick first to steal the fluke player of the season.
Sammy3469
Footballguy
Sounds like you're down with a hitters 2nd season, pitchers 3rd season draft, but only using players with a "i" somewhere in their name
Eephus
Footballguy
Needs more dice
Eephus
Footballguy
it's one of the better proposals out there. I don't see the point of picking deep rosters in a WIS draft
boubucarow
Footballguy
Sounds like the best idea to me.Eephus said:
Frostillicus
Footballguy
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the moops
Footballguy
I agree. I think.Part of the appeal of this format is to try and predict how players will perform. If we are allowed to dump many players and pick others up, we may as well just wait until all star break to select the whole team.
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
That's a potential issue. Definitely have to have a limit on how many supplemental picks each team can make.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
the moops
Footballguy
By my count, we have 25 people already (I may be double counting some of you fools aliases though).
1. Eephus
2. moops
3. boubucarow
4. jfranco
5. hoos first
6. bogart
7. dr detroit/acer
8. spartans
9. TU
10. scoobus
11. larry
12. oso
13. doug
14. rnr
15. TRE
16. sammy
17. socalbronco
18. greco
19. northern voice
20. mr phoenix
21. arsenal
22. chem x
23. rodg
24. super nintendo
25. frosty
1. Eephus
2. moops
3. boubucarow
4. jfranco
5. hoos first
6. bogart
7. dr detroit/acer
8. spartans
9. TU
10. scoobus
11. larry
12. oso
13. doug
14. rnr
15. TRE
16. sammy
17. socalbronco
18. greco
19. northern voice
20. mr phoenix
21. arsenal
22. chem x
23. rodg
24. super nintendo
25. frosty
Brady Marino
Footballguy
I'm out of this. Looks like you have enough already.
Eephus
Footballguy
Looks like we're full. Sorry belljr, you're first on the wait list. We should finalize on rules by the time pitchers and catchers report. Sparty's proposal seems good from the small draft side. If RnR and the other large draft proponents can agree on an approach, I can set up a poll for the league members.
Notorious T.R.E.
Showdown!™ Administrator
NOT IN LAST!YET.
Doug B
Footballguy
I have a question for the hardcore rotisserie baseball guys:
I don't play fantasy baseball. Don't follow who's in the minors, who's likely to get called up, or anything like that. Can I just go get a FBB magazine and do OK in this thing? Or is there a decent online source that would be better than any magazine?
I don't need to know each MLB team's spring-training roster 40 guys deep plus all prospects down to A-ball. Just need to go deep enough to draft credibly In This Format.
I don't play fantasy baseball. Don't follow who's in the minors, who's likely to get called up, or anything like that. Can I just go get a FBB magazine and do OK in this thing? Or is there a decent online source that would be better than any magazine?
I don't need to know each MLB team's spring-training roster 40 guys deep plus all prospects down to A-ball. Just need to go deep enough to draft credibly In This Format.
Notorious T.R.E.
Showdown!™ Administrator
Tough to find a magazine that will do that. You probably want this: http://www.amazon.com/Baseball-Prospectus-...9431&sr=8-1Doug B said:
Or this: http://www.amazon.com/Ron-Shandlers-Baseba...2/ref=pd_cp_b_1
If you're looking for something in paper form.
Doug B
Footballguy
I figured this format would be much like preparing for an ordinary fantasy-baseball league draft. But I dunno ... do typical FBB leagues in 2010 concern themselves with minor league guys and such?I played rotisserie baseball in the early 90s, and all we did was draft guys off of projected major-league opening-day rosters (the draft was very close to opening day). Rosters weren't very deep. No one drafted minor-league guys that you'd have to wait on. Any hot minor-league call-ups would hit the waiver wire.This will be different, as we'll have no in-season waivers. So we'll be expected to have knowledge of which minor-leaguers are likely call-ups? And in turn, which call-ups are likely to be productive?I'd like a magazine just to get the general lay of the MLB land (I can't name likely MLB starters at every position for every team like I can for NFL skill positions 
). I figure I can then research any details online. But then, this is 2010 ... maybe all the research, both general and particular, can and should be done online. Dunno.
Notorious T.R.E.
Showdown!™ Administrator
Sure. You could get a magazine for names and get like a top 100 prospects list from the internet. If you need help with a few of those I can email you some from various sites.I figured this format would be much like preparing for an ordinary fantasy-baseball league draft. But I dunno ... do typical FBB leagues in 2010 concern themselves with minor league guys and such?I played rotisserie baseball in the early 90s, and all we did was draft guys off of projected major-league opening-day rosters (the draft was very close to opening day). Rosters weren't very deep. No one drafted minor-league guys that you'd have to wait on. Any hot minor-league call-ups would hit the waiver wire.This will be different, as we'll have no in-season waivers. So we'll be expected to have knowledge of which minor-leaguers are likely call-ups? And in turn, which call-ups are likely to be productive?I'd like a magazine just to get the general lay of the MLB land (I can't name likely MLB starters at every position for every team like I can for NFL skill positions
). I figure I can then research any details online. But then, this is 2010 ... maybe all the research, both general and particular, can and should be done online. Dunno.
