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Wish Bears had a good QB like Orton..... (1 Viewer)
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thekidd2009
Footballguy
In cutler's defense, he has absolutely no chance behind that oline. On top of that, Martz seems to be calling plays where the routes take a long time to develop and by the time cutler see's something he's getting killed.
Yeah, alright. We haven't had a good Cutler vs Orton debate in a while.
Cutler has more skills than Orton, although Orton has improved a lot lately.
Orton plays the game way smarter than Cutler.
Cutler is about me me me. Orton is about team team team.
I'll take Orton any day of the week.
Cutler has more skills than Orton, although Orton has improved a lot lately.
Orton plays the game way smarter than Cutler.
Cutler is about me me me. Orton is about team team team.
I'll take Orton any day of the week.
PolishNorbi
Footballguy
I'll take any QB that's not behind the line that played today. Jeez, 9 sacks in the first half, that's sad.
Unwrittenlaw
Footballguy
With Cutler's playing style , you NEED a good oline.
Gridiron King
Footballguy
Yeah, but Chicago has a franchise Quarterback now. 
It's not his fault...he clearly needs to be evaluated for second-handed concussion symptoms after watching that game
Why wouldn't Orton struggle behind this line as well? Maybe not 9 sacks struggle but still. Also, I bet they lose to the Packers without Cutler.
Unwrittenlaw
Footballguy
I didn't get to watch the GB/CHI game, but was he knocked around in that also?
he took a vicious hit in that game that drew a 15 yard penalty. martz responded by going empty backfield, no te and 5 wide on the next play.
he took a pounding that game ... that packers had 3 or 4 sacks in the first half then the bears went mostly three step the second half
SaintArnold
Footballguy
If Cutler where in Denver, he'd put up better stats than Orton.It's the line.
thecardiackid
Footballguy
If by 'better stats' you mean more interceptions, then i completely agree.Orton is LEADING THE LEAGUE IN PASSING YARDS right now iirc.
I said to to get some debate going... obviously packers fans are still salty about last week
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Widbil83
Footballguy
Who was leading the league in passing yards before today though?
az_prof
Footballguy
If the season were three games long the Bears would be a great team. Instead it is 16 games and we now know the Bear's have a horrible OL and that Cutler stinks if you can pressure him. Be prepared to see alot of teams blitz him until he learns how to locate the open man quickly and can beat the pressure.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
Orton is on pace for over 5600 passing yards. 
In the history of the NFL, only 1 other quarterback has thrown for as many yards in the first 4 games of the season: Kurt Warner, in 2000.
In the history of the NFL, only 1 other quarterback has thrown for as many yards in the first 4 games of the season: Kurt Warner, in 2000.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
Orton.(just kidding, it was really Rivers. But Orton was only 9 yards back and he actually had more total yards than Rivers.)
thekidd2009
Footballguy
He was nine yards behind rivers coming into this week...the broncos can't run the ball at all so Orton's gonna be throwing the ball 40 times a game.
two_dollars
Footballguy
I'd still much rather have Cutler.
And why do people get the impression he's all about "me me me?"
And why do people get the impression he's all about "me me me?"
thekidd2009
Footballguy
Yea I don't think Orton would be fairing to well behind that oline or in martz's system. Orton is in the perfect system that made Tom Brady...hell even Cassel when he was in New England put up 3700 and 21tds and hadn't started a game since highschool.If i'm not mistaken didn't mcdaniels want Cassel over Orton?
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Because HE wanted out of Denver. HE didn't feel that it was the right fit for him and HE didn't get along with McDaniels.
So I am salty because I called you out on a foolish comment?
Widbil83
Footballguy
I thought we knew that the Bears O-line stunk?
Any player stinks if you pressure them. He left at halftime with a concussion. I'm sure he will see a lot more pressure but I'm not seeing him get sacked 10 times in a half again.
chook
Footballguy
HE wasn't wanted in Denver so HE asked to go somewhere where HE knew his future was secure.It's just too bad his offensive line isn't.
RaiderBones
Footballguy
Some of those sacks were on Cutler. He may have a cannon for a arm, but not the sharpest tool in the shed, he made some very bad decisions.
mistersmith
Footballguy
you can point the finger at cutler, you can point the finger at the o-line...its justified.but is there something to this article? qbs taking a beating under the martz system?
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=cr-w...andlosers100410
How come every time Cutler has a great game, he is a great QB, but whenever he has a terrible game it's always someone else's fault? 
Cutler Talking Points:
If he does not win - blame the defense
If he gets sacked a lot - blame the O-line
If he throws an interception - blame the WRs
Cutler Talking Points:
If he does not win - blame the defense
If he gets sacked a lot - blame the O-line
If he throws an interception - blame the WRs
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Underachievers
Footballguy
How come every time Cutler has a great game....a silly thread like this is never started?How come every time Cutler has a great game, he is a great QB, but whenever he has a terrible game it's always someone else's fault?
twistd
Footballguy
I've been a Cutler supporter, but I am finally admitting that the Bears made a huge mistake in trading for Cutler. Think how much better they would be if they had Orton and those draft picks they gave up. I'm coming to believe that Cutler will never be a very good NFL QB. The Bears now have to look, at some point, in to getting a QB. Problem is that it will be three to five years before the Bears admit that they made a mistake. They have to completely replace the offensive line. They need to get rid of Angelo, Martz, and the entire Bear coaching staff. I really thought the Bears would be good before the Broncos. The Bears may be better than the Broncos this year, but three years from now the Broncos will be a solid playoff contender and the Bears will be floundering. And I don't know if the Bear organization will ever be able to identify QB talent, and develop a drafted QB. They have never done it in the past. It is just sad if you are a Bears fan.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
they replayed a sack where cutler had a man wide open on a 10 yard crossing route with a huge pocket. he stood there waiting for the deep routes to get open and got crushed.give half the sacks to the oline and half to cutler. if he doesnt stop trying to be the hero, he's going to lose his job and be out of the nfl.
drfeelgood
Footballguy
Cutler was to blame for some of those sacks. He held on to the ball too long again and again.
switz
Footballguy
Not Cutler, if that's what you were thinking... and Orton was 2nd, and still far ahead of Cutler.I can't believe after a season and a few games people still back Cutler as a great QB. He has all the physical tools, no one can argue with that, but he is not a SMART qb at all... he's Jeff George part II.
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NatronIsMean
Footballguy
You are a pathetic Bears fan. That's all.
I'm a fan of Cutler...but at least 5 of those sacks were 100% on him (and 2 more were 25% or more on him). Looked like he was dialed in on the big play (which never did come) and absolutely REFUSED to take the checkdown. If he doesn't change that philosophy, he's gonna get killed on a weekly basis.
SI's Peter Kings MMQB column has a nice comparison this morning between Cutler and Orton
in the last 20 games:
QB ____ W-L ___Pct.___Yards___TD-Int____ Yards per att. ______Rating
Orton __10-9 ___ .634___5,221___27-15 ____7.29 ______________89.1
Cutler __10-10 __ .615___4,578 __33-29 _____6.97 ______________80.7
read more about it here:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writ...04/week4/1.html
update:fixed TD-Int
in the last 20 games:
QB ____ W-L ___Pct.___Yards___TD-Int____ Yards per att. ______Rating
Orton __10-9 ___ .634___5,221___27-15 ____7.29 ______________89.1
Cutler __10-10 __ .615___4,578 __33-29 _____6.97 ______________80.7
read more about it here:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writ...04/week4/1.html
update:fixed TD-Int
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DoubleG
Footballguy
A quick point for those blaming most of the sacks on Cutler's unwillingness to throw the ball:
Most are presuming that the concussion that knocked him out of the game was caused on one of the last plays before the half. This morning on the radio, some have hypothisized that it is possible that the concussion that ended up in ultimately lead to him leaving the game, may have actually come much earlier in the contest.
For the past several weeks, Cutler and the offense have been quick to adjust to the bad o-line play (in both the Dallas game and to a lesser extent the Green Bay game) - suddenly Cutler is stadning like a statue and missing open receivers (and by missing, I don't mean throwing poorly, I mean not even seeing them.) - in fact on the pass play near the end of the half, he is actually looking in the are of the blitz and the wide open Earl Bennet, then looks away. It is possible that some of this suddenly poor play in the Martz system was caused by a blow to the head much earlier than was originally assumed.
Again, I am not trying to remove the blame (or at least it's fair share) from Cutler - mainly repeating a suggestion I had heard.
Most are presuming that the concussion that knocked him out of the game was caused on one of the last plays before the half. This morning on the radio, some have hypothisized that it is possible that the concussion that ended up in ultimately lead to him leaving the game, may have actually come much earlier in the contest.
For the past several weeks, Cutler and the offense have been quick to adjust to the bad o-line play (in both the Dallas game and to a lesser extent the Green Bay game) - suddenly Cutler is stadning like a statue and missing open receivers (and by missing, I don't mean throwing poorly, I mean not even seeing them.) - in fact on the pass play near the end of the half, he is actually looking in the are of the blitz and the wide open Earl Bennet, then looks away. It is possible that some of this suddenly poor play in the Martz system was caused by a blow to the head much earlier than was originally assumed.
Again, I am not trying to remove the blame (or at least it's fair share) from Cutler - mainly repeating a suggestion I had heard.
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KellysHeroes
Footballguy
how do we know he wasn't conussed after the 5th one? After 5 sacks in a Q I wouldn't be much of a decent QB myself... that was terrible to watch.
The scheme calls for a quick release which Culter hasnt been able to pull off when under pressure. He is holding the ball way too long. It was the same in STL with Bulger. Warner was able to get the ball out fast. Orton seems to have that skill but who really knows how he would do under Martz. We all know the O-line fo rthe Bears is bad but Culter has opportunities he is not taking advantage of. The Bears looked bad 3 out of 4 games for far so no one sould really be surprised. they have a favorable schedule for a few more weeks so their record should stay above 500.I could stop laughing when Collins was in and they went to the spread and Collinsworth commented (paraphrase) 'oh look the spread offense, this should be interesting', which was immediately followed by an ugly sack. Collinsworth is awesome!!
I think Cutler's TD-Int is alittle off.
switz
Footballguy
Orton is an FA at the end of the year. HTH
Because Orton has improved tremendously since last season. I think the Broncos trading for Quinn and drafting Tebow lit a fire under Orton's behind, and he is playing like a man with something to prove.
Yeah, I noticed that too, I was coming in here to post the same thing.
As seen through Lovie's rose colored glasses
road warrior
Footballguy
What's stopping you from starting one? You'd only have to do it a couple of times a year.How come every time Cutler has a great game....a silly thread like this is never started?How come every time Cutler has a great game, he is a great QB, but whenever he has a terrible game it's always someone else's fault?Cutler Talking Points:If he does not win - blame the defenseIf he gets sacked a lot - blame the O-lineIf he throws an interception - blame the WRs
TommyGilmore
Footballguy
Phurfur
Footballguy
I keep hearing this but never see it and I don't remember him having a winning season. On the other hand Orton.... The guy is a "just above average" QB.
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