I think the likeliest trade scenario is with Oakland. If they are truly interested in VY, they will move to #4 to get him. The way it works out, the Jets would end up with either Ferguson or Davis at #7 (or Cutler, if they decide to go QB).I don't trust the local papers on any of this. They had the Jets interested in trading up for Bush, then interested in trading up for Leinert, then interested in staying put and grabbing VY, then interested in staying put for Cutler, then interested in trading down and grabbing Cutler, then interested in staying in place for D'Brickshaw, then interested in staying in place for Mario Williams, then interested in staying in place for Davis.
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BlueOnion
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Call me Charley Casserly, but if I was an NFL GM I would have Mario and Reggie neck-and-neck on my draft board.Thanks - I'm getting this speech down.. It's driving me BATTY.... Between the people who want to compare Mario to Abraham and the people who think Mario can't play the 3-4....
Someone, long ago wrote an article that said Mario would have better numbers (Stats) in the 4-3 and that has led to a lot of people saying he can't play the 3-4!!! Sheesh, That's NOT what they said or meant.
- AS IF, there is a better physical specimen around to play a 3-4 DE ....
What do they think he's TOO BIG? TOO FAST???
I'm praying we (Jets) get SUPER MARIO - I want that Jersey!!!!
Getinthemix
Footballguy
Exactly. Compairng Abraham and Mario is apples and oranges. In no way shape or form could Abraham have played 3-4 end. Too small.
Reaper
Footballguy
Definitely.... For me the Jets options are MARIO or Trade down.If they could move into the 11 spot or so, then they could fill any number of holes with pretty equal players..... Depending on how they feel with these QB's - But, it's much easier to take a Cutler at 11 along with another pick... And that goes for:Call me Charley Casserly, but if I was an NFL GM I would have Mario and Reggie neck-and-neck on my draft board.Thanks - I'm getting this speech down.. It's driving me BATTY.... Between the people who want to compare Mario to Abraham and the people who think Mario can't play the 3-4....
Someone, long ago wrote an article that said Mario would have better numbers (Stats) in the 4-3 and that has led to a lot of people saying he can't play the 3-4!!! Sheesh, That's NOT what they said or meant.
- AS IF, there is a better physical specimen around to play a 3-4 DE ....
What do they think he's TOO BIG? TOO FAST???
I'm praying we (Jets) get SUPER MARIO - I want that Jersey!!!!
Mario
Bush
Ferguson
Davis
Hawk
Ngata
Huff
Justice
Leinert
Young
Cutler
At 11 the Jets would get a great player to fill a huge hole and get another pick...
MARIO OR TRADE DOWN!!!!
VALUE DRAFTING!!!
Kiddnets
Footballguy
I understand that they are different types of players but the bottom line is the Jets didn't want to pay big money to a proven DE who gave you double digit sacks every year. Why would you want to give that same money to a rookie? There is no guarantee that the team will run an exclusive 3-4 - Tangini have said that they will run both all year depending on the situation. I am fine with the DL that we have - aren't there 3 1st rd picks on the DL already? Plus the signing of KVO? The JEts problem is there is not one offensive player that strikes fear into the heart of DCs. That needs to change to be competitve. I have full confidence in Mangini running the defense with what they have and being successful. Get that offense some weapons - starting with a QB and RB in the 1st rd IMO.
BlueOnion
Footballguy
I don't think Abraham could play defensive end in a 3-4, Mario certainly can. Mario has the potential to be very disruptive for opposing rushing attacks; Abraham can not. Mario is far more physically gifted than Abraham. Abraham to me was a one trick pony; he could rush the quarterback. Mario is a potential defensive cornerstone.And I don't think Mario's rookie contract will be close to what Abraham wanted.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
The money for the #4 overall pick will be very close to the contract Abe got - understand Mario is more complete and could be Peppers but...how many 1st rders do they take for the DL in the past 6 years? This would be 4! Shouldn't other positions be addressed - especially a pathetic and predictable offense without any gambreakers?
T Man
Footballguy
That's true, but RB and OL have depth this year. The Jets have picks in the later rounds to get a good OL instead of Ferguson, to get a Center, and to get RB's. But To get a defensive lineman that is big enough to be the run stopper in a 3-4 and fast enough to be a pass rusher in a 4-3 is not something the draft has a lot of. Abe could not pull off both, and when the team played a 3-4 he would be off the field. Williams supposedly can do that.Abe was a known commodity and a good one at what he did - rush the passer.
Williams is still an unknown. He did not play a football factory. He may bust. He is a risk, but the reward is significant for the Jets.
The real problem is he won't be there at 4.
Reaper
Footballguy
Why would this have ANY influence on a new Regime????Their job is to analyze the talent and add where they see fit...
And as I see it Bryan Thomas is NOT a 1st round talent - Who cares where Bradway picked him... Heck, DROB may not even be here too long... And don't penalize these guys for Bradway being a complete imbecile and using 2 1st round picks for DROB... We have 1 possibly 2 FIRST ROUND TALENTS (BARELY) on the DL and that's all that counts.
I agree the Offense needs help - But with a Top pick in the draft, you need to take the BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE......
it starts with the QB's.. if they don't rate any of those guys worthy then it goes to position players and Mario is just a perfect fit....
Build the OL and the defense and NEXT YEAR we can add playmakers and gamebreakers...
There isn't going to be a lot of game breaking this year anyway with the OL being rebuilt.
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JAA
Footballguy
In another thread here, people used "selling jersey's" and "selling seats" as reasons to draft Bush. We all know NY is one of, if not, the largest NFL markets.
As a NY fan, would you be upset if they traded up for Bush?
Would you buy a Bush jersey?
Would you buy into the hype?
What sort of impact would this move had on you if the FO had Bush that much higher on their draft boards with respect to grading out NFL talents?
As a NY fan, would you be upset if they traded up for Bush?
Would you buy a Bush jersey?
Would you buy into the hype?
What sort of impact would this move had on you if the FO had Bush that much higher on their draft boards with respect to grading out NFL talents?
Kiddnets
Footballguy
I agree you can't penalize Tangini for TB's incompetence but my point is there is enough talent on the DL for Mangini to work with - there is almost none on the offensive side of the ball. Go for the offense - prefer a QB but could live with Brick. As for the contracts - you have to look at all the guaranteed money not just the 1st year - I think the #4 pick will not be too far off from what Abe got. D Rob was the #4 a few years ago and that bum is one of if not the highest paid players on the team!
Look, the Jets didn't want to pay Abe for the following reasons:1) In a 3-4, he plays WLB - a position he'd be great at, but one that's not worth the money he's demanding. You can get pass-rush specialst tweener LBs for cheap.
2) He has injury issues
3) He didn't want to be in NY anymore
The Jets would pay Mario a simliar amount b/c
1) He's rated much higher than Abraham was when he came out
2) He can play in any alignment that Mangini can cook up
3) He's only 21
The question of what happened in past years with other picks like BT or DRob is irrelevant - it's what an economist would call a sunk cost.
The offense lacks playmakers, that's true, but this draft doesn't have any high-end offensive playmakers at any position other than QB. There aren't any top WRs, the highest graded RB is only a mid-round pick, and so all you're left looking at is a top TE and OT in a draft that's deep at both positions. Assuming you're not interested in the QBs, Mario is as no-brainer a choice at #4 is you'll ever have in a draft - which is why he likely won't be available.
Rovers
Footballguy
The simple reason I think the Jets SHOULD draft a QB this year is that they don't have a playoff caliber QB on the roster now. If a rookie drafted this year is ready for a playoff run by 2008, that would be tremendous progress. Put off getting a QB to develop now, and you're looking at 2009 for a playoff run. It would take time for any rookie to become a solid NFL QB, even Leinart, who is the closest to being ready to start.
This is a clear rebuilding year, and besides the QB spot, the O line HAS to get fixed. Rookie RB's don't need the sort of time that rookie QB's need to develop. The Jets will likely have a high draft slot next year, and that would be the time to take an RB. I think the Jets should have their eye on 2008.
Having said that, I think they will pass on a QB in round one. I don't agree with that, but it's what I think they will do. They seem to think highly of Ramsey. That scares last night's dinner right out of me.
This is a clear rebuilding year, and besides the QB spot, the O line HAS to get fixed. Rookie RB's don't need the sort of time that rookie QB's need to develop. The Jets will likely have a high draft slot next year, and that would be the time to take an RB. I think the Jets should have their eye on 2008.
Having said that, I think they will pass on a QB in round one. I don't agree with that, but it's what I think they will do. They seem to think highly of Ramsey. That scares last night's dinner right out of me.
Isn't there an old saying in Texas about Getting Bush?
Reaper
Footballguy
That's if you feel we need to groom a QB... AND you feel one of these guys is a franchise QB.I feel that if we go full bore at building an OL - As well as building a championship defense, You're well on your way and can find a QB - wether it's Ramsey, or another FA this year or next.
To me, Mario will go a long way towards building a real good defense - Then attack the OL a bunch - Add your Playmakers next year with your high pick and away we go...
Trade down, Even better - Maybe get your Cutler or any one of the top 11 guys PLUS more picks.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Agree 100%! Jets will be a medicore team next year anyway - why not develop a young QB so two seasons are not sunk! Trade down to #7 with Oak - take Cutler and pick up another early 2nd rder - that would be 2 picks in each of the 1st 3 rds - Go, cutler, RB, OL, OL, best avail, best avail
Anyone know what UFA QBs would be available in 2007? That may have an impact on if the Jets go QB.
cstu
Footballguy
Ramsey really got shafted in Wash. First, he had to deal with two years under Spurrier who ran one of the worst offenses in the NFL. Then he had one bad game week 2 2004 against the Giants in which they only lose by 6 points and got benched for Brunell, who went on to suck until he was replaced again by Ramsey. After taking over week 10, Ramsey passed for over 62% with 9 TD's and 8 INT's. Finally, in 2005 he starts week 1 against the Bears and throws an INT and fumbles twice, losing one and gets injured. Brunell takes over and leads the team to 3 FG's and a win. Brunell keeps the job the rest of the season with the team looking to first round pick Jason Campbell as the future QB.
Ramsey is a very marginal starter and a decent backup.
For a rebuilding team, it is infinitely important to get the QB position on the right track, especially when you already have a high pick in a top heavy QB draft.
So basically because he started poorly against what turned out to be the #1 defense in the league, Ramsey got benched and essentially written off. I think he's much better than people give him credit for and has a good chance of being the starting QB for the Jets by next year.
cstu
Footballguy
That's what I love about Mario for the Jets. I don't think there's another guy in the NFL with his ability to play equally well in the 3-4 or 4-3. Usually the 300lb guys you need at 3-4 DE don't have the speed to also play 4-3 DE. I think he's going to give offense nightmares since they'll have to be prepared for him in either formation.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
The Jets do not need to counteract the Manning factor as the season ticket waiting list is at plus 8 years and they have a strong fan base as is.Supposedly Cutler is the QB they rate the highest, but all indications are that they will not draft a QB and are creating a smokescreen by working out and interviewing all three QBs hoping some one wants to move up.Mario Williams and D'Brickashaw Ferguson are beleived to be 1 and 2 on their wish list (assuming Bush is gone of course).
The Hank
Footballguy
Jets | Rumor alert: NFL Draft tradeTue, 25 Apr 2006 08:46:30 -0700
Rich Cimini, of the New York Daily News, reports one rumor making the rounds has the New York Jets (No. 4) swapping their first-round pick with the Oakland Raiders (No. 7), who want a quarterback. The Jets then select Oregon DT Haloti Ngata with the seventh pick. The Jets don't have a pure nose tackle for their new 3-4 scheme.
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