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With Cleveland firing Jackson and Haley today, what's your impression? (1 Viewer)

With Cleveland firing Jackson and Haley today, what's your impression?

  • Positive for Cleveland

    Votes: 120 76.4%
  • On the fence

    Votes: 17 10.8%
  • Negative for Cleveland

    Votes: 20 12.7%

  • Total voters
    157
On a side note, how great is it to see this kind of discussion occurring about CLE?  This is a team lurking on the verge of a serious rise, IMO.  If they can only get the logistics right and the right  coaches in place...
Having been a fan since before Brian Sipe, it's always cool when CLE is in the mix. We've lost a lot but during the late 80's there was no better team to follow. You could go anywhere in the country and find a mini-Cleveland at a local Browns Backer's spot. It was AWESOME! Good to have some positive discussion going on again after a 20 year drought.

Agreed. I think people are underestimating how big Baker Mayfield's play is. For the first time in a long while, they have an answer to "Do we have a QB we can win with?"
This. I was a skeptic when the selection was made. I was a skeptic when he wasn't given the opportunity to compete for the QB position during training camp. I was a skeptic until the minute he stepped on the field in relief of Tyrod Taylor. Then I saw that first rocket for a completion to Jarvis Landry and knew he was our QB. It was literally like a weight being lifted off of me. There are a lot of questions still out there about the Browns but the QB position isn't one of them any longer.

 
It was literally like a weight being lifted off of me. There are a lot of questions still out there about the Browns but the QB position isn't one of them any longer.





 
Yes.

And in today's league, this question is easily 10 times as important as any other question. Maybe way more. 

I too wasn't sold they'd drafted the right guy. But it didn't take me long to get my answer. They've got their guy. They just need to develop him and keep him on track. That's no small task but it's a million times easier than picking the right guy. As Browns fans know too well, that's difficult. 

 
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daveR said:
Does the team's record more reflect the coach or the historically inept drafts?  The 0-16 team was so bad that only 16 players remain from that roster. 
Coaching.  This was not a one win team in 16, nor was it a 0 win team in 17, and a 2 win team halfway through 18.  

Players from Sashi Brown's inherited roster that are still starters in the league on other teams - Mitchell Schwartz, Alex Mack, Cam Erving, Joe Haden, Taylor Gabriel, and Josh Gordon*.  That's it.  Mack wasn't coming back and Gordon didn't leave via Sashi, so literally the only players that could have been retained and contributed here are Schwartz (Sashi screwed this up), Erving (don't blame him), Haden (I don't feel strongly either way), and Gabriel (everyone but Shannahan missed this imho).

His method to correct what ailed the roster was unorthodox and required painful patience.  But the biggest problem with its setup is that it put QB acquisition in Hue's hands.  That's a Jimmy thing; not a Sashi thing.  From above, you look at what the Browns did from when Sashi got here to when he got fired and what do you see?  A terrible job at QB and WR, not enough speed on defense, and a job well done just about everywhere else.

There are 3 players that remain on this roster pre-Sashi - Bitonio, Duke, and Kirksey.  That's how bad it was.  He added 10 starters and 3 contributors in addition to the haul of picks he had waiting in the 2018 draft.  And most importantly, every single one of those players is under team control through at least 2019.  

That said, this team is almost certainly better off with Dorsey going forward than it would have been with Sashi.  Professional sports isn't ready for a guy like him or Hinkie - maybe it never will.  And he had some blind spots that got exposed in some of his moves, but the foundation was laid in those 2 years.  Then Dorsey fixed the biggest problem (QB) and addressed the speed issue on the defense, but the newly developed hole at offensive tackle couldn't be addressed this offseason and unfortunately fixing the WR room appears to be a 2 year process.  Back to that whole painful patience thing again.

And I'm not going to pretend to know how many games this team would have won with a better structure around QB decision making and if Hue never came here, but ultimately those were the two biggest issues in 2016 and 2017 - and due to the latter why 2018 will ultimately fall short too.  This was an awful team that literally needed years to rehab.  Should have it been 4?  Probably not, but there were more wins on each of those rosters if Captain Sabotage wasn't the one steering the ship.  And thankfully we can all finally move on.

 
Joe Bryant said:
Agreed. I think people are underestimating how big Baker Mayfield's play is. For the first time in a long while, they have an answer to "Do we have a QB we can win with?"
Exactly... Now the real question is "can we find the right coach to maximize our team's talent and youth?"

 
the talent gap isn’t that large in the NFL.  

it comes down to coaching.  

do you honestly believe Belichick would’ve gone winless last year?

 
There's a lesson to be learned here;

If the team that you coach finished 0-16 ... and some think of you as a bad coach ...

don't do "Hard Knox" and remove all doubt  

 
Hue showed the exact person he was today: complete trash. Doing what he has done all along, throw the previous FO under the bus. Sashi let Hue make the decision on Wentz... Hue said 2 was “too high”, even Silver reports that. This clown shouldn’t be allowed on another staff. All he does is leak to the press, lie and canive behind your back. Hue, Haley and Williams were the modern Larry, Moe and Curly. 

 

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