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With Owen Daniels suffering a setback from his ACL injury (1 Viewer)

JohnnyU

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James Casey should be a hot pickup soon. Also, here is a tidbit on Garrett Graham. Don't waste your time with Dressen.

TE Garrett Graham, Wisconsin

Why Graham is Under the Radar: This draft class has several tight end prospects who overshadow Graham with their physical promise. Wisconsin teammates Travis Beckum and Lance Kendricks often got more press, because Graham lacks the eye-popping measurements or workout numbers that generate great interest.

Why He Has Promise: Versatility. Like several prospects in this class, Graham is a good receiver with decent yards-after-the-catch skills, but what N.F.L. teams will value more than the media is how he was used as a run blocker at Wisconsin. Graham was an effective lead blocker as a fullback, H-Back, slot receiver and an in-line tight end. He has the initial quickness and understanding of angles to get to his assignment in open space, but he also possesses the technique and tenacity to fire off the line and drive outside linebackers and defensive ends away from the play. Of all the tight ends I watched, he consistently played the most intelligent, physical brand of football, maintaining an intensity that frustrates opponents if they don’t match his effort to the whistle.

Bottom Line: N.F.L. teams, draft analysts and football reporters are suckers for tight ends with great physical dimensions and athleticism. It stems from the belief that they can teach these prospects to become good football players, and every year teams are proven wrong. But they fail to learn. A great example is the 2006 class headlined by Vernon Davis, Marcedes Lewis, Joe Klopfenstein, Anthony Fasano, Tony Scheffler and Leonard Pope. The best tight end in this class might still be Davis, but the tight end with the best career thus far has been Wisconsin’s Owen Daniels, who was the ninth tight end selected in that draft at the top of the fourth round. Like Daniels, Graham is a very similar player lost among the hype of better athletes who, chances are, aren’t likely to become as good as Graham already is. I will not be at all surprised when Graham develops into a solid starter and when half of the prospects rated above him don’t pan out. http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04...f-l/#more-41773

 
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Daniels is "hoped" to be back by week one ...
Really?

Headlines

Owen Daniels had a setback in his knee rehab

Texans coach Gary Kubiak revealed Saturday that Owen Daniels had a setback in his rehab from ACL surgery.

We're not sure about the exact nature of the setback or when it occurred, but this could explain why Daniels' recovery is taking longer than expected. He tore his ACL in Week 8 and doesn't appear close to seeing the field. Wes Welker tore his in Week 17, and he's already practicing. You shouldn't be counting on Daniels as your starting fantasy tight end. Aug. 1 - 10:14 am et

Source: ESPN.com

 
Graham had the catch of the day this morning, a one handed grab over the middle in traffic. Dressen was targeted quite often by Schaub along with AJ. I don't think Casey caught a ball. Casey did sub in for Leach in some packages though as a H-Back/Fullback

 
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp...&id=5426519

Talking with guys on a Houston message board, no one has seen a direct quote anywhere from Kubiak and the original place that the word setback was used in the Mort report.

Kubiak's press conference on Saturday

(on TE Owen Daniels' status for the opening game of the regular season) "I haven't changed my mindset at all. That decision will be made down the road. All of our focus is for him to get ready for the Colts. As I said yesterday, we are going to know a lot more about Owen in the next two weeks. His rehab looks good. He's picked it up and I've been watching him every morning. I think Owen is a warrior as long as I've been around. So if anyone is going to make it to that spot, then he has an excellent chance. So we'll be smart with him."

(on TE Owen Daniels' progress in rehab) "I think what we are trying to find out right now is how he will respond to the increased level of rehab. He's doing more football stuff. We'll have a new response in the next few weeks."

The sunday press chat had no questions about Daniels...look like a false alarm here.

 
JohnnyU said:
Jeff Tefertiller said:
Daniels is "hoped" to be back by week one ...
Really?

Headlines

Owen Daniels had a setback in his knee rehab

Texans coach Gary Kubiak revealed Saturday that Owen Daniels had a setback in his rehab from ACL surgery.

We're not sure about the exact nature of the setback or when it occurred, but this could explain why Daniels' recovery is taking longer than expected. He tore his ACL in Week 8 and doesn't appear close to seeing the field. Wes Welker tore his in Week 17, and he's already practicing. You shouldn't be counting on Daniels as your starting fantasy tight end. Aug. 1 - 10:14 am et

Source: ESPN.com
On the newsfeed here, I see this from 8/1:
Houston Texans TE Owen Daniels (knee) was placed on the physically unable to perform list, reports Nick Scurfield, of HoustonTexans.com. The Texans hope he will be ready for Week 1 of the regular season. He is recovering from a torn ACL.
Granted, teams often "hope" for players to be ready in vain. I wonder how much Daniels' contract wishes are influencing his "setback" - it's a factor that is def. in play in this situation. A lot of vets are unhappy with the general lack of new long-term contracts this year as the CBA battle lines are being drawn by the NFLPA and the owners...there is a lot in play with Daniels' situation, IMO. My :hangover: .

 
I'm no doctor but Owen didn't have a "limp" today. He was on the sidelines walking back and forth and even gave a fan something during practice and "lightly jogged" back over to his teammates.

 
On the newsfeed here, I see this from 8/1:

Houston Texans TE Owen Daniels (knee) was placed on the physically unable to perform list, reports Nick Scurfield, of HoustonTexans.com. The Texans hope he will be ready for Week 1 of the regular season. He is recovering from a torn ACL.
Should we ignore "Gary Kubiak revealed Saturday that Owen Daniels had a setback in his rehab from ACL surgery"? Is this false info reported by ESPN.com?

What kind of set back did he have I wonder?

 
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JohnnyU said:
Jeff Tefertiller said:
Daniels is "hoped" to be back by week one ...
Really?

Headlines

Owen Daniels had a setback in his knee rehab

Texans coach Gary Kubiak revealed Saturday that Owen Daniels had a setback in his rehab from ACL surgery.

We're not sure about the exact nature of the setback or when it occurred, but this could explain why Daniels' recovery is taking longer than expected. He tore his ACL in Week 8 and doesn't appear close to seeing the field. Wes Welker tore his in Week 17, and he's already practicing. You shouldn't be counting on Daniels as your starting fantasy tight end. Aug. 1 - 10:14 am et

Source: ESPN.com
I got that from the Texans and those that follow the team closely. Here is one account:http://www.houstontexans.com/blog/index.asp?post_id=1272

After tight end Owen Daniels was placed on the active/Physically Unable to Perform list on Friday, Texans coach Gary Kubiak said the team is still hoping the 2008 Pro Bowler will be ready to play in the season opener against the Indianapolis Colts on Sept. 12.

Daniels, who has been riding a stationary bike instead of practicing in the first three days of training camp, has his eyes on the same goal as he continues to rehab from a torn right ACL.

“I think we’re just getting everything right to be ready for Week 1,” he said after practice on Sunday morning, nine months to the day since being injured on Nov. 1 at Buffalo. “I’ll be ready to go for September. That’s been the plan all along. We always want to be ready as far in advance as possible, but you’ve just got to roll with the punches and listen to what the doctor says. I’ll be out here running next week; just doing the bike for now and working back into things. But I feel really good. I feel really good.”

Kubiak is anxious to see how Daniels responds to an increased level of rehab.

“All of our focus is for him to get ready for the Colts,” Kubiak said on Saturday. “We are going to know a lot more about Owen in the next two weeks. His rehab looks good. He’s picked it up and I’ve been watching him every morning. I think Owen is as good a worker as I’ve been around, so if anybody is going to make it to that spot, then he has an excellent chance. We’ll be smart with him.”

Daniels is well-versed with his current rehab, having recovered from a torn left ACL in high school and a torn left ACL and MCL in college. He said it helps to have been through the process before because he knows the different plateaus on his path to recovery. He also isn’t deterred by not being able to practice in the early parts of training camp.

“(Opening day) is still six weeks from today officially, so I have confidence I can get myself ready,” he said. “I’d like to get out there and practice as much as I can. But if it comes down to me practicing just for a couple of weeks, I’ve been doing this long enough I think I can get prepared and be ready.”

While there is definitely a chance Daniels is not ready by week one, the bolded part above is what I was referring to above.

 
JohnnyU said:
Jeff Tefertiller said:
Daniels is "hoped" to be back by week one ...
Really?

Headlines

Owen Daniels had a setback in his knee rehab

Texans coach Gary Kubiak revealed Saturday that Owen Daniels had a setback in his rehab from ACL surgery.

We're not sure about the exact nature of the setback or when it occurred, but this could explain why Daniels' recovery is taking longer than expected. He tore his ACL in Week 8 and doesn't appear close to seeing the field. Wes Welker tore his in Week 17, and he's already practicing. You shouldn't be counting on Daniels as your starting fantasy tight end. Aug. 1 - 10:14 am et

Source: ESPN.com
this is a joke right? bc ww is gonna possibly make the fast acl recovery of all time, we should be holding that against a guy who is 7 months off of his injury?and, oh btw, welker happens to play for hte most secretive and deceptive franchise in regards to injuries.

 
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JohnnyU said:
Jeff Tefertiller said:
Daniels is "hoped" to be back by week one ...
Really?

Headlines

Owen Daniels had a setback in his knee rehab

Texans coach Gary Kubiak revealed Saturday that Owen Daniels had a setback in his rehab from ACL surgery.

We're not sure about the exact nature of the setback or when it occurred, but this could explain why Daniels' recovery is taking longer than expected. He tore his ACL in Week 8 and doesn't appear close to seeing the field. Wes Welker tore his in Week 17, and he's already practicing. You shouldn't be counting on Daniels as your starting fantasy tight end. Aug. 1 - 10:14 am et

Source: ESPN.com
Wow I traded him last week for Pierre Thomas.

 
Owen Daniels was a guest on the NFL Network a few weeks ago, and when they asked him about training camp he said that his knee was fine, but that they were probably going to keep him out of major action (2 a days) to be on the safe side, but he was confident that he was ahead of schedule and that he woudl be ready for the season opener.

When he said it, I'm sure the Texans PR department weren't pleased, but I think this has been their plan all along (To keep him inactive during training camp).

 
When Daniels was interviewed a few months ago, he implied that he would not be participating in drills because he was unhappy about his contract situation. He said his injury would give him a legit reason to skip the early part of preseason. Based on that, I expect him to be 100% for Week 1.

 
Owen Daniels was a guest on the NFL Network a few weeks ago, and when they asked him about training camp he said that his knee was fine, but that they were probably going to keep him out of major action (2 a days) to be on the safe side, but he was confident that he was ahead of schedule and that he woudl be ready for the season opener.When he said it, I'm sure the Texans PR department weren't pleased, but I think this has been their plan all along (To keep him inactive during training camp).
Thank you for this. I just used it to determine that I am going to take a risk on Daniels. Got him in the 9th round.
 
The Houston Chronicle's John McClain confirms that Owen Daniels had a setback in his recovery from ACL surgery when he suffered a stress fracture on his kneecap in May

 
May.......so it is now almost September, almost 4 months later. I feel good drafting him. 4 Months is a long time to recover from a stress fracture in my opinion.

The Houston Chronicle's John McClain confirms that Owen Daniels had a setback in his recovery from ACL surgery when he suffered a stress fracture on his kneecap in May
 
Fantaholic said:
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=6305

Good news on Owens. Although it's been previously stated, I feel more comfortable calling him a steal after reading this article.
I would proceed with caution, I don't get warm and fuzzies knowing he had a stress fracture during rehab. He said it himself it was a rare injury and he visited 8 doctors after suffering the setback. My question is that knee structurely sound after so much going on with it (rehab/stress fracture) since the injury last year.
 
Fantaholic said:
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=6305

Good news on Owens. Although it's been previously stated, I feel more comfortable calling him a steal after reading this article.
I would proceed with caution, I don't get warm and fuzzies knowing he had a stress fracture during rehab. He said it himself it was a rare injury and he visited 8 doctors after suffering the setback. My question is that knee structurely sound after so much going on with it (rehab/stress fracture) since the injury last year.
The stress fracture is old news at this point.But I'll be sure to mention it at all my drafts so he slides to me again. ;)

 
We knew he would be back this year, probably even in Week 1. But we still haven't seen anything to indicate he's "back." I always like drafting him but there are plenty of healthy options at TE this year.

 
We knew he would be back this year, probably even in Week 1. But we still haven't seen anything to indicate he's "back." I always like drafting him but there are plenty of healthy options at TE this year.
I agree.So if you don't land a Gates, Finley, Clark or Vernon draft him late and back him up with a Carlson (or similar).Perfect.
 
I have no problem with waiting, but I have noticed that a side effect of the (perceived) deeper TE pool this year is that more people then ever before are happy to wait to draft one, and even the top TEs are falling further than in past years. I've seen Witten/Gonzo in the late 7th, where I'm happy to pounce.

 
I have no problem with waiting, but I have noticed that a side effect of the (perceived) deeper TE pool this year is that more people then ever before are happy to wait to draft one, and even the top TEs are falling further than in past years. I've seen Witten/Gonzo in the late 7th, where I'm happy to pounce.
I like both Witten and Gonzo better as well. But if you are like me and had the 7.12 pick the 5.12/6.01 is too early and the 7.12 was too late to get either one of those guys.So then you roll the dice with a potential homerun in Daniels and back him up a few rounds later with a safer low ceiling TE.I think if Daniels pans out he could be the key to a lot of championships. I don't know many other players with that upside in round 8 or 9.
 
Fantaholic said:
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=6305

Good news on Owens. Although it's been previously stated, I feel more comfortable calling him a steal after reading this article.
I would proceed with caution, I don't get warm and fuzzies knowing he had a stress fracture during rehab. He said it himself it was a rare injury and he visited 8 doctors after suffering the setback. My question is that knee structurely sound after so much going on with it (rehab/stress fracture) since the injury last year.
The stress fracture is old news at this point.But I'll be sure to mention it at all my drafts so he slides to me again. :coffee:
We heard about a setback but didn't know what the setback was. Today was the first time Daniels or the Texans mentioned a stress fracture so that's new news IMO.
 
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Fantaholic said:
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=6305

Good news on Owens. Although it's been previously stated, I feel more comfortable calling him a steal after reading this article.
I would proceed with caution, I don't get warm and fuzzies knowing he had a stress fracture during rehab. He said it himself it was a rare injury and he visited 8 doctors after suffering the setback. My question is that knee structurely sound after so much going on with it (rehab/stress fracture) since the injury last year.
The stress fracture is old news at this point.But I'll be sure to mention it at all my drafts so he slides to me again. :coffee:
We heard about a setback but didn't know what the setback was. Today was the first time Daniels or the Texans mentioned a stress fracture so that's new news IMO.
I hear what you are saying.But that was many weeks ago and he has had an MRI and the world's premier sports medicine doc declare him 100%.

Its not like he has been immobile. Dude has been training off the field in preparation. And he's a vet so he'll be ready to go.

 
I don't get the same warrior feeling about Daniels that Kubiak does, do you coolnerd?

 
Fantaholic said:
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=6305

Good news on Owens. Although it's been previously stated, I feel more comfortable calling him a steal after reading this article.
I would proceed with caution, I don't get warm and fuzzies knowing he had a stress fracture during rehab. He said it himself it was a rare injury and he visited 8 doctors after suffering the setback. My question is that knee structurely sound after so much going on with it (rehab/stress fracture) since the injury last year.
The stress fracture is old news at this point.But I'll be sure to mention it at all my drafts so he slides to me again. :bag:
We heard about a setback but didn't know what the setback was. Today was the first time Daniels or the Texans mentioned a stress fracture so that's new news IMO.
I hear what you are saying.But that was many weeks ago and he has had an MRI and the world's premier sports medicine doc declare him 100%.

Its not like he has been immobile. Dude has been training off the field in preparation. And he's a vet so he'll be ready to go.
:confused:
 
Guys only 27-28 but does anyone else feel the longevity for this guy just isnt going to be there. His knees have got to be close to shot.

 
fruity pebbles said:
Guys only 27-28 but does anyone else feel the longevity for this guy just isnt going to be there. His knees have got to be close to shot.
This post and Bri's do get at a concern for me long-term along as I am kinda hoping that his body let's him be "warrior" or even just a long-term good pass catching TE. If the actions of the Texans are any indication drafting multiple TEs over the last two years, then they may not be sold on his health or coming to an agreement on a long term deal.
 
I love what Daniels does for us, but I can understand the business end of it, its not smart to dish out an expensive long term deal to a guy who is gonna get hurt.

 
I love what Daniels does for us, but I can understand the business end of it, its not smart to dish out an expensive long term deal to a guy who is gonna get hurt.
He had an offer on the table before 2009 that if the rumors are true would have made a Top 5 TE in pay. Now, he has to prove health and re-earn that type offer.
 
I love what Daniels does for us, but I can understand the business end of it, its not smart to dish out an expensive long term deal to a guy who is gonna get hurt.
He had an offer on the table before 2009 that if the rumors are true would have made a Top 5 TE in pay. Now, he has to prove health and re-earn that type offer.
I think from a FF perspective this is a great thing.
 
We knew he would be back this year, probably even in Week 1. But we still haven't seen anything to indicate he's "back." I always like drafting him but there are plenty of healthy options at TE this year.
I agree.So if you don't land a Gates, Finley, Clark or Vernon draft him late and back him up with a Carlson (or similar).Perfect.
...or you draft Gates then Owen later and if Owen returns healthy, trade Gates for improvements elsewhere.
 
coolnerd said:
fruity pebbles said:
Guys only 27-28 but does anyone else feel the longevity for this guy just isnt going to be there. His knees have got to be close to shot.
This post and Bri's do get at a concern for me long-term along as I am kinda hoping that his body let's him be "warrior" or even just a long-term good pass catching TE. If the actions of the Texans are any indication drafting multiple TEs over the last two years, then they may not be sold on his health or coming to an agreement on a long term deal.
Also, I gotta say though their interest in former QBs that play the TE spot have teased my imagination for plays and not really done anything for it on the field. I doubt there's even a legal shift they can do at the LOS, but still it's fun to imagine what they could try after the wildcat stuff in recent years
 
Here's all I could find:

Owen Daniels has been activated from the Texans' camp/PUP list.

As expected, he's on the practice field Monday. Daniels, however, is not expected to be an every-down tight end to open the year. Coach Gary Kubiak anticipates using him for only 15-20 snaps in the regular season opener.
RotoworldAnyone else with anything more recent?

 

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