Witness says Vick thought it was funny when dogs died (1 Viewer)

[Abstract]

I don't condone what Vick has done but when he's released from prison he will have paid his debt to society, it's time to move on. America is a very forgiving society and since he's apologized and showed remorse, I think he deserves a second chance.

To continue to punish him for a crime he's already been convicted of and done hard time for is shallow. Let it go, everyone deserves a second chance.

 

[mistersmith]

Most of you guys are missing Chachi's point.Nobody is saying Little, Pacman, Stevens, etc. . . are great human beings. Little's death-causing action, for example, is beyond stupid.But none of them killed intentionally. (I have a feeling Pacman will someday, but that's another story.)Anyway, I stick by my claim that I will stage a one-person boycott of all things NFL if Vick is reinstated. If you think I'm overreacting or think I won't do it, well, I'm a big-time animal lover. I'm a 6-foot-1, 235-pound longtime competitive powerlifter who happens to be an animal lover. So call me names. I dare you.I'm also very stubborn. So I won't change my mind on this. If nobody else on this board wants to join me, so be it. I'll go it alone.ETA: And to whoever brought up Carruth, when did the NFL reinstate him after he was convicted?That's what I thought.

if you're a competitive powerlifter, you must eat a ton of meat.people intentionally kill animals all the time. cows, chickens, pigs...and yes, there are people in the world who eat dog meat. i guess it comes down to that conversation in pulp fiction, about how people would hold pigs in high esteem if they had more personality.look, i'm not saying what vick did is awful. but in my mind there's a very large divide between crimes done to animals and crimes done to humans. there are a lot of different cultures out there, and as a result, there are a lot of different standards regarding the treatment of animals (and yes, i'm not just talking about the world itself, but also the united states).but the treatment of humans - usually you'll find that's pretty standard across all cultures. assault, rape, death of another human - it's pretty unlikely you'd get away with that. that's why to me, it's a lot more inexcusable.

 

[chofolo]

If the NFL ever reinstates this piece of crap, here is a short list of what I will do in response:1. I will no longer play fantasy football.2. I will not watch one second of an NFL game or an NFL highlight show. That includes my favorite team (Colts), even if it's not Indy that signs him. That also includes the Super Bowl, even if Dogkiller's team isn't in it.3. Anytime I'm watching SportsCenter or any other TV sports show, I will immediately get up and change the channel whenever NFL news of any kind appears.4. I will no longer read NFL-related message boards such as this one (no offense to footballguys).5. I will encourage as many others as possible, even if some laugh at me, to follow steps 1, 2, 3 and 4 with me.I realize the NFL won't give a rat's behind if I do these things. But maybe if several hundred thousand others do it, the league might resist the urge to completely destroy its credibility.

...and the little piggy cried wee wee wee, all the way home. What he did was awful, but his debt has been paid. BTW, what league credibility are you referring to? The only organization with more crooks in it, is the U.S Congress.

 

[AnonymousBob]

I've lived with dogs my whole life. I love my current dog a great deal.

But dogs <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< humans.

 

[-baller]

I've lived with dogs my whole life. I love my current dog a great deal.vick <<<<<<<< dogs <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< humans.

fixed.

 

[tazinib1]

Vick is a POS.

Here I am with Chuck. Vicks main breeder and former champion fighter. 47 dogs in total and Chuck is 1 of 45 that were saved and put up for adoption. We did a segment on animal abuse on the show I worked on this year called Faithful Friends (Season II) airing on Animal Planet in fall 09.

And NO I'm not the goober on the right. Thats his owner from Georgie who they flew in along with 3 other assistants lol. Apparently Chuck has found a new career on the television circuit.

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/5585/mikevickdogds8.jpg

If you click the picture a second time, you can see the fighting scars on Chucks face.

After meeting Chuck and some of the other PitBulls on the show, I have a new found love for the breed. Animals are what we make of them...there is no inherent DNA that makes an animal violent.

 

[RevDawg]

If the NFL ever reinstates this piece of crap, here is a short list of what I will do in response:1. I will no longer play fantasy football.2. I will not watch one second of an NFL game or an NFL highlight show. That includes my favorite team (Colts), even if it's not Indy that signs him. That also includes the Super Bowl, even if Dogkiller's team isn't in it.3. Anytime I'm watching SportsCenter or any other TV sports show, I will immediately get up and change the channel whenever NFL news of any kind appears.4. I will no longer read NFL-related message boards such as this one (no offense to footballguys).5. I will encourage as many others as possible, even if some laugh at me, to follow steps 1, 2, 3 and 4 with me.I realize the NFL won't give a rat's behind if I do these things. But maybe if several hundred thousand others do it, the league might resist the urge to completely destroy its credibility.

i cant believe you still have to get up to change your channel....remote down???

beat me to it

 

[zoonation]

I'd like to see poll results on this...the punishment seems excessive to me. There are several cultural implications to this...a lot of black leaders have voiced their concern regarding the topic. Additionally, remember that in some parts of the world people actually eat dogs, in latin America cockfighting is widespread, bullfighting is the epicenter of Spanish culture. I don't support any of those activities, but my point is that this is very much a cultural issue. I at least understand those arguing for Vick...I'm certain a year in prison has sent the message to Vick and all other dogfighters. Do wee really need to incarcerate him for several more years?

Terrible examples. Are bulls the number one national pet for most families in Spain? And who gives a #### if people in other societies eat dogs? Did you know that in some societies women who are raped get stoned to death? Can you at least try to post something relevant.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

He should have to clean animal cages for 10 years.

One good cage match with a lion or tiger would satisfy me.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Vick is a POS.

Here I am with Chuck. Vicks main breeder and former champion fighter. 47 dogs in total and Chuck is 1 of 45 that were saved and put up for adoption. We did a segment on animal abuse on the show I worked on this year called Faithful Friends (Season II) airing on Animal Planet in fall 09.

And NO I'm not the goober on the right. Thats his owner from Georgie who they flew in along with 3 other assistants lol. Apparently Chuck has found a new career on the television circuit.

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/5585/mikevickdogds8.jpg

If you click the picture a second time, you can see the fighting scars on Chucks face.

After meeting Chuck and some of the other PitBulls on the show, I have a new found love for the breed. Animals are what we make of them...there is no inherent DNA that makes an animal violent.

 

[Lucky Lefty]

If the NFL ever reinstates this piece of crap, here is a short list of what I will do in response:1. I will no longer play fantasy football.2. I will not watch one second of an NFL game or an NFL highlight show. That includes my favorite team (Colts), even if it's not Indy that signs him. That also includes the Super Bowl, even if Dogkiller's team isn't in it.3. Anytime I'm watching SportsCenter or any other TV sports show, I will immediately get up and change the channel whenever NFL news of any kind appears.4. I will no longer read NFL-related message boards such as this one (no offense to footballguys).5. I will encourage as many others as possible, even if some laugh at me, to follow steps 1, 2, 3 and 4 with me.I realize the NFL won't give a rat's behind if I do these things. But maybe if several hundred thousand others do it, the league might resist the urge to completely destroy its credibility.

Good-bye

 

[RudeDog]

A young kid just killed himself live on Justin.tv a couple of days ago. As it took place some viewers egged him on and after he was gone were laughing and joking about it.

Some of the posters here seem to be the type that would laugh and joke about such things.

 

[Wilbur Wood]

For those on this thread who thinks that somehow the NFL should deem itself a higher body of authority than the laws of the United States, just keep the following in mind.

Jail Time to be Served for their Crimes

Rae Carruth - Life

Mike Vick - 1-1/2 years

Leonard Little - 90 days

Jeremy Stevens - none (he was not convicted of rape in a court of law).

The above is the pecking order that our society (not the NFL) has placed on their transgressions. Why should the NFL rack and stack these low lifes any differently?

 

[purestrength]

If the NFL ever reinstates this piece of crap, here is a short list of what I will do in response:1. I will no longer play fantasy football.2. I will not watch one second of an NFL game or an NFL highlight show. That includes my favorite team (Colts), even if it's not Indy that signs him. That also includes the Super Bowl, even if Dogkiller's team isn't in it.3. Anytime I'm watching SportsCenter or any other TV sports show, I will immediately get up and change the channel whenever NFL news of any kind appears.4. I will no longer read NFL-related message boards such as this one (no offense to footballguys).5. I will encourage as many others as possible, even if some laugh at me, to follow steps 1, 2, 3 and 4 with me.I realize the NFL won't give a rat's behind if I do these things. But maybe if several hundred thousand others do it, the league might resist the urge to completely destroy its credibility.

i cant believe you still have to get up to change your channel....remote down???

beat me to it

I guess I usually set my remote away from the couch when I watch sports shows. That's why I would have to get up. Nonetheless, good catch.

 

[phthalatemagic]

there is no inherent DNA that makes an animal violent.

I'd love to read some of your research.

 

[Tornacl]

I doubt we'll see Vick any time soon. I think that he'll have a few more years after Virginia state charges are settled. Once Vick gets out, will he be reinstated? I hope not. He doesn't have a "right" to play in the NFL. If I were the commissioner, there's no way I'd let him play again.

If he does get reinstated, who would sign him? Al Davis and Jerry Jones come to mind. Of course, he could also take the Bengals to a whole new level.

 

[purestrength]

He should have to clean animal cages for 10 years.

One good cage match with a lion or tiger would satisfy me.

I would pay to see that, as long as Vick would be forced to enter the cage unarmed (with no pro-wrestling foreign objects).

 

[LHUCKS]

Terrible examples.

False

Are bulls the number one national pet for most families in Spain?

So you would agree that it's a cultural issue? You're proving my point here.

And who gives a #### if people in other societies eat dogs?

Did you not understand my point that this is a cultural issue?

Did you know that in some societies women who are raped get stoned to death?

Are you seriously using this as an argument?

Can you at least try to post something relevant.

I believe I have.

 

[EdwardCat]

not sure why this is even a story

are you new here?

Unfortunately, he isn't. I'd stay away from this guy as his main focus is to insult others for his own enjoyment.

 

[hellz_fireflies]

Al Davis don't like dogs.

 

[Ozymandias]

Al Davis don't like dogs.

Funny, he seems to draft a lot of them.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Witnesses say a lot of things.

 

[joffer]

He should have to clean animal cages for 10 years.

One good cage match with a lion or tiger would satisfy me.

I would pay to see that, as long as Vick would be forced to enter the cage unarmed (with no pro-wrestling foreign objects).

would you think it was funny if Vick were injured?

 

[Sheriff66]

The guy was fighting dogs, did you think he wept after a dog was torn to shreads ? I think this goes hand in hand with the dog fighting mentality, it was the type of stuff I expected to hear, nothing shocking here.

 

[cstu]

What's disgusting is how much he was lynched in the public and media when other NFL players have done a lot worse yet received a lot less in the way of punishment.

We're one screwed up society.

Who has done worse? Leonard Little, maybe, but I don't think Little went out with the intent on getting into an accident. Who has done worse than Mike Vick?

Rae Carruth is currently serving a life sentence and he's the only one i can think of who did something as mean spirited as Mike Vick.

Any hunters in the NFL? We also nearly had a VP who shoots wolves (dogs) from helicopters and leaves them to wander off and die if they aren't killed right away.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

If the NFL ever reinstates this piece of crap, here is a short list of what I will do in response:1. I will no longer play fantasy football.2. I will not watch one second of an NFL game or an NFL highlight show. That includes my favorite team (Colts), even if it's not Indy that signs him. That also includes the Super Bowl, even if Dogkiller's team isn't in it.3. Anytime I'm watching SportsCenter or any other TV sports show, I will immediately get up and change the channel whenever NFL news of any kind appears.4. I will no longer read NFL-related message boards such as this one (no offense to footballguys).5. I will encourage as many others as possible, even if some laugh at me, to follow steps 1, 2, 3 and 4 with me.I realize the NFL won't give a rat's behind if I do these things. But maybe if several hundred thousand others do it, the league might resist the urge to completely destroy its credibility.

I call shenanigans. You might be able to do it for a season or two but you won't keep up that nonsense forever. That's just stupid. Even worse, it's downright insulting. I love my dog. I've lived my whole life with canines but you guys are absolutely ridiculous and way overboard when you start thinking Vick is anywhere close to the worse the NFL has to offer. Get a clue and start hating the REAL scumbags.

HEY BOB....read this 1-2-or 3 times until it sinks in...Kelly Naqi, of ESPN.com, reports suspended Atlanta Falcons QB Michael Vick placed family pet dogs into a ring and his trained pit bulls "caused major injuries" to the pets at Bad Newz Kennels, according to a U.S. Department of Agriculture report released Friday, Nov. 21. The report added Vick, along with friends Tony Taylor, Purnell Peace and Quanis Phillips, thought it was funny to watch the pit bulls injure or kill the other dogs. The report also states in mid-April of 2007, Vick, Peace and Phillips hung approximately three dogs that did not perform well in a "rolling session," which indicates the readiness of a dog to fight. According to the report, the three men hung the dogs "by placing a nylon cord over a 2 X 4 that was nailed to two trees located next to the big shed. They also drowned approximately three dogs by putting the dogs' heads in a five gallon bucket of water."NOW BOB...how would u like to have your head submerged in a 5 gallon bucket of water until you drowned....im sure you`ll have some smartass answer but in all seriousness this guy vick IS A REAL SCUMBAG

 

[phthalatemagic]

We also nearly had a VP who shoots wolves (dogs) from helicopters and leaves them to wander off and die if they aren't killed right away.

 

[-baller]

Any hunters in the NFL?

see if you can put a list together -- maybe we can get them thrown in prison.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

He should have to clean animal cages for 10 years.

One good cage match with a lion or tiger would satisfy me.

I would pay to see that, as long as Vick would be forced to enter the cage unarmed (with no pro-wrestling foreign objects).

would you think it was funny if Vick were injured?

Funny? No, it would be sad. Anything short of death, with a good close up of his eyes full of terror, would be a let down to me.

 

[zoonation]

Terrible examples.

False

Are bulls the number one national pet for most families in Spain?

So you would agree that it's a cultural issue? You're proving my point here.

And who gives a #### if people in other societies eat dogs?

Did you not understand my point that this is a cultural issue?

Did you know that in some societies women who are raped get stoned to death?

Are you seriously using this as an argument?

Can you at least try to post something relevant.

I believe I have.

I guess I don't understand your point. Are you saying that killing bulls for sport in Spain is equivalent to killing dogs in the US? Or that because that is tolerated (and even celebrated) in Spain it is somehow comparable to what Vick did? I fail to see the parallels.My point about dogs being the number one family pet is that it is totally unacceptable (whether morally or not is a philosophical issue) to torture, fight and murder a dog in our society. It is illegal.I brought up the stoning issue because it is you who is championing the moral relativity position, not me. Comparing the cultural practices in Spain or South America (in relation to a totally different subject) is hardly relevant to the question about what punishment an american citizen deserves for torturing and killing dogs.If you think you can, then explain for me why that logic cannot be applied to any number of cultural practices seen around the world.

 

[Daywalker]

Vick is a POS.

Here I am with Chuck. Vicks main breeder and former champion fighter. 47 dogs in total and Chuck is 1 of 45 that were saved and put up for adoption. We did a segment on animal abuse on the show I worked on this year called Faithful Friends (Season II) airing on Animal Planet in fall 09.

And NO I'm not the goober on the right. Thats his owner from Georgie who they flew in along with 3 other assistants lol. Apparently Chuck has found a new career on the television circuit.

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/5585/mikevickdogds8.jpg

If you click the picture a second time, you can see the fighting scars on Chucks face.

After meeting Chuck and some of the other PitBulls on the show, I have a new found love for the breed. Animals are what we make of them...there is no inherent DNA that makes an animal violent.

Rescuing pitbulls who have been trained to kill then "rehabilitating" them and sending them out doesn't sound like the best idea to me.

 

[hotdogcollars]

Vick is a POS.

Here I am with Chuck. Vicks main breeder and former champion fighter. 47 dogs in total and Chuck is 1 of 45 that were saved and put up for adoption. We did a segment on animal abuse on the show I worked on this year called Faithful Friends (Season II) airing on Animal Planet in fall 09.

And NO I'm not the goober on the right. Thats his owner from Georgie who they flew in along with 3 other assistants lol. Apparently Chuck has found a new career on the television circuit.

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/5585/mikevickdogds8.jpg

If you click the picture a second time, you can see the fighting scars on Chucks face.

After meeting Chuck and some of the other PitBulls on the show, I have a new found love for the breed. Animals are what we make of them...there is no inherent DNA that makes an animal violent.

Rescuing pitbulls who have been trained to kill then "rehabilitating" them and sending them out doesn't sound like the best idea to me.

Just putting a word in quotation marks does not make your point. Until you have met and spent time with a dog that has been rehabilitated, please don't make statements which you have no idea about. I'm not trying to attack you, but such generalized statements can be dangerous and close minded. Yes, some dogs are too far gone to be saved. but many, MANY animals can be saved and made into perfect pets.As for Grigs... it never gets old seeing so called "mean" dogs rehabilitated and given a second chance in life

 

[tazinib1]

there is no inherent DNA that makes an animal violent.

I'd love to read some of your research.

Edit: That line should have read "makes a pitbull violent". Sorry for the confusion.

 

[coachjim]

I hope this sick ---- spends a bunch of time in jail and never sees a football field again. If he does I have lost all respect for Goodell.

 

[hotdogcollars]

there is no inherent DNA that makes an animal violent.

I'd love to read some of your research.

Edit: That line should have read "makes a pitbull violent". Sorry for the confusion.

animals, especially dogs, have varying personalities and temperments (sp?) just like humans. Sure, some pits may be violent, but in the case of domesticated animals, nurture has much more of an impact over nature

 

[money.never.sleeps]

I don't condone what Vick has done but when he's released from prison he will have paid his debt to society, it's time to move on. America is a very forgiving society and since he's apologized and showed remorse, I think he deserves a second chance.To continue to punish him for a crime he's already been convicted of and done hard time for is shallow. Let it go, everyone deserves a second chance.

The man is paying the price for his actions and after should be considered for reinstatement if the NFL both sees fit. His crime/actions were horendous but I will not continue to judge the man for wanting to get his life on track after he serves his dues.

 

[coachjim]

I don't condone what Vick has done but when he's released from prison he will have paid his debt to society, it's time to move on. America is a very forgiving society and since he's apologized and showed remorse, I think he deserves a second chance.To continue to punish him for a crime he's already been convicted of and done hard time for is shallow. Let it go, everyone deserves a second chance.

The man is paying the price for his actions and after should be considered for reinstatement if the NFL both sees fit. His crime/actions were horendous but I will not continue to judge the man for wanting to get his life on track after he serves his dues.

I totally agree. And a 3rd, 4th 5th etc. Signed Adam "Pacman" Jones

 

[phthalatemagic]

there is no inherent DNA that makes an animal violent.

I'd love to read some of your research.

Edit: That line should have read "makes a pitbull violent". Sorry for the confusion.

animals, especially dogs, have varying personalities and temperments (sp?) just like humans. Sure, some pits may be violent, but in the case of domesticated animals, nurture has much more of an impact over nature

please don't make statements which you have no idea about

I agree

 

[Daywalker]

Vick is a POS.

Here I am with Chuck. Vicks main breeder and former champion fighter. 47 dogs in total and Chuck is 1 of 45 that were saved and put up for adoption. We did a segment on animal abuse on the show I worked on this year called Faithful Friends (Season II) airing on Animal Planet in fall 09.

And NO I'm not the goober on the right. Thats his owner from Georgie who they flew in along with 3 other assistants lol. Apparently Chuck has found a new career on the television circuit.

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/5585/mikevickdogds8.jpg

If you click the picture a second time, you can see the fighting scars on Chucks face.

After meeting Chuck and some of the other PitBulls on the show, I have a new found love for the breed. Animals are what we make of them...there is no inherent DNA that makes an animal violent.

Rescuing pitbulls who have been trained to kill then "rehabilitating" them and sending them out doesn't sound like the best idea to me.

Just putting a word in quotation marks does not make your point. Until you have met and spent time with a dog that has been rehabilitated, please don't make statements which you have no idea about. I'm not trying to attack you, but such generalized statements can be dangerous and close minded. Yes, some dogs are too far gone to be saved. but many, MANY animals can be saved and made into perfect pets.As for Grigs... it never gets old seeing so called "mean" dogs rehabilitated and given a second chance in life

Plenty of dogs out there to rescue. Why spend the time and money on abused pitbulls? Irresponsible to bring an animal like that who has been raised to kill into a neighborhood.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

As for Grigs... it never gets old seeing so called "mean" dogs rehabilitated and given a second chance in life

My parents currently have a dog that was at some point abused in some way. Kind of a pit/rott mutt. IThey told me of a story where it went chasing after a dog in the park, and literally dragged my step dad on the ground. They brought it to my house last year for the holidays. I was honestly scared (maybe an understatement) of this dog when they took it out of the car. Leash, harness and muzzle in hand my mother stood in the driveway for an hour and a half while it barked like crazy at me and my dog on my stoop. After some time, we got them in the house. After a couple more hours of keeping them at a safe distance, they eventually could be let loose. They had to be separated a few times, but eventually my dog, a black lab mix, ten pounds lighter, actually established dominance in my house. Ever since then their dog has been improving non stop, and now they have a second dog who is actually more of a handful for them than the first.Anyway, sorry for the rant, but I believe in the "rehabilitation" to some extent. I'm no expert, and I'm sure there are exceptions, but I've seen it done.

 

[Eminence]

I don't get it... bad people shouldn't be able to play in the NFL?

 

[money.never.sleeps]

I don't condone what Vick has done but when he's released from prison he will have paid his debt to society, it's time to move on. America is a very forgiving society and since he's apologized and showed remorse, I think he deserves a second chance.To continue to punish him for a crime he's already been convicted of and done hard time for is shallow. Let it go, everyone deserves a second chance.

The man is paying the price for his actions and after should be considered for reinstatement if the NFL both sees fit. His crime/actions were horendous but I will not continue to judge the man for wanting to get his life on track after he serves his dues.

I totally agree. And a 3rd, 4th 5th etc. Signed Adam "Pacman" Jones

The problem with the validity of your statement is that Michael Vick has been kicked out of the league and has not yet been reinstated.. Your sarcasm lacks sense. big suprise.

 

[Da Guru]

Not sure Goodell and the NFL will want to deal with PETA at every game Vick plays if he does return. When he gets out Goodell could slap another couple of years of NFL suspension on him.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Not sure Goodell and the NFL will want to deal with PETA at every game Vick plays if he does return. When he gets out Goodell could slap another couple of years of NFL suspension on him.

I think Vick will have PETA on his side. He's going to fund a LOT of their projects for years to come and will be put up as a poster boy for rehabilitation. I believe that's his plan, anyway. I think he'll work with them.

 

[Ozymandias]

Not sure Goodell and the NFL will want to deal with PETA at every game Vick plays if he does return. When he gets out Goodell could slap another couple of years of NFL suspension on him.

I think Vick will have PETA on his side. He's going to fund a LOT of their projects for years to come and will be put up as a poster boy for rehabilitation. I believe that's his plan, anyway. I think he'll work with them.

Perhaps you missed the article detailing Vick's bankruptcy filing. He has assets of $16m and debts of $20m, and ongoing legal fees which may climb into the millions.http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-v...p&type=lgns

 

[hotdogcollars]

there is no inherent DNA that makes an animal violent.

I'd love to read some of your research.

Edit: That line should have read "makes a pitbull violent". Sorry for the confusion.

animals, especially dogs, have varying personalities and temperments (sp?) just like humans. Sure, some pits may be violent, but in the case of domesticated animals, nurture has much more of an impact over nature

please don't make statements which you have no idea about

I agree

sigh, if you'd like to become a productive part of a conversation, please feel free. Otherwise, i'll just dismiss your reply as a kid trying to make a joke.Because if you truly understood the implication you've made, it would simply be proof of your lack of knowledge on the subject. Dogs are pack animals and respect leadership and dominance. While every dog cannot be made to follow a leader, most dogs will become submissive to an animal/human which shows leadership (i.e. providing food, discipline, shelter, etc). Combine this approach with an appropriate amount of exercise, correct training, and patience/time and you have yourself a good pet.

 

[hotdogcollars]

Vick is a POS.

Here I am with Chuck. Vicks main breeder and former champion fighter. 47 dogs in total and Chuck is 1 of 45 that were saved and put up for adoption. We did a segment on animal abuse on the show I worked on this year called Faithful Friends (Season II) airing on Animal Planet in fall 09.

And NO I'm not the goober on the right. Thats his owner from Georgie who they flew in along with 3 other assistants lol. Apparently Chuck has found a new career on the television circuit.

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/5585/mikevickdogds8.jpg

If you click the picture a second time, you can see the fighting scars on Chucks face.

After meeting Chuck and some of the other PitBulls on the show, I have a new found love for the breed. Animals are what we make of them...there is no inherent DNA that makes an animal violent.

Rescuing pitbulls who have been trained to kill then "rehabilitating" them and sending them out doesn't sound like the best idea to me.

Just putting a word in quotation marks does not make your point. Until you have met and spent time with a dog that has been rehabilitated, please don't make statements which you have no idea about. I'm not trying to attack you, but such generalized statements can be dangerous and close minded. Yes, some dogs are too far gone to be saved. but many, MANY animals can be saved and made into perfect pets.As for Grigs... it never gets old seeing so called "mean" dogs rehabilitated and given a second chance in life

Plenty of dogs out there to rescue. Why spend the time and money on abused pitbulls? Irresponsible to bring an animal like that who has been raised to kill into a neighborhood.

We may need to agree to disagree on your first point. Sure, there's more things that need fixing in this world than there is time and resources to actually fix them. But, i'll never argue against someone trying to do something that is ultimately positive. As for the 2nd portion of your statement, i'd love to have you visit a true rehabilitation center. Sometimes it just takes people seeing the transformation to believe it. Sure, if you took a dog straight off Vicks property and stuck him in a neighborhood, you'd have a major issue. But, after the intensive process these dogs go through, they truly are changed animals.

 

[hotdogcollars]

As for Grigs... it never gets old seeing so called "mean" dogs rehabilitated and given a second chance in life

My parents currently have a dog that was at some point abused in some way. Kind of a pit/rott mutt. IThey told me of a story where it went chasing after a dog in the park, and literally dragged my step dad on the ground. They brought it to my house last year for the holidays. I was honestly scared (maybe an understatement) of this dog when they took it out of the car. Leash, harness and muzzle in hand my mother stood in the driveway for an hour and a half while it barked like crazy at me and my dog on my stoop. After some time, we got them in the house. After a couple more hours of keeping them at a safe distance, they eventually could be let loose. They had to be separated a few times, but eventually my dog, a black lab mix, ten pounds lighter, actually established dominance in my house. Ever since then their dog has been improving non stop, and now they have a second dog who is actually more of a handful for them than the first.Anyway, sorry for the rant, but I believe in the "rehabilitation" to some extent. I'm no expert, and I'm sure there are exceptions, but I've seen it done.

Cool story. And not being an expert, i am sure you were initially REALLY skeptical about the ability to rehabilitate. I know its hard for most people to believe, but most of these animals can be really great pets for the right owner(s).Glad to here your parents take on that kind of responsibility. Sorry for all my replies, but this is a topic me and my family are very passionate about. I can take the pot shots form the kids looking for a laugh here on FBG. But, i'd really like to help educate people on this topic if possible.

 

[Truman]

For those on this thread who thinks that somehow the NFL should deem itself a higher body of authority than the laws of the United States, just keep the following in mind.Jail Time to be Served for their CrimesRae Carruth - LifeMike Vick - 1-1/2 yearsLeonard Little - 90 daysJeremy Stevens - none (he was not convicted of rape in a court of law).The above is the pecking order that our society (not the NFL) has placed on their transgressions. Why should the NFL rack and stack these low lifes any differently?

Goodell stated when Tank was suspended that he viewed serving time as a reason for a reduced punishment from the league.If you seriously think the NFL shouldn't hold itself as a higher authority than the courts then there should be no personal conduct policy at all.

 

[Dennis]

The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.. I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man"

-- Mahatma Gandhi