Witness says Vick thought it was funny when dogs died (1 Viewer)

[Dirty Weasel]

Can we please just let these Vick threads die? It's like beating a dead...

 

[Dennis]

“The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated”

 

[TBIST]

You kill enough of man's best friend and people don't care much for you. I have a pit bull and it's the nicest dog ever, the other dog a blue healer is a beast though, you should see her beast a raccoon, groundhog, or fox. Nasty little dog... When the pit bull gets in a fight with a raccoon it comes in with its face cut up and pants so loud you can hear it upstairs for like an hour.

 

[purestrength]

The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.. I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man"-- Mahatma Gandhi

Well put, Dennis (and Gandhi).Hang Vick by his ####.

 

[purestrength]

He should have to clean animal cages for 10 years.

One good cage match with a lion or tiger would satisfy me.

I would pay to see that, as long as Vick would be forced to enter the cage unarmed (with no pro-wrestling foreign objects).

would you think it was funny if Vick were injured?

Hmmm. Funny? Probably not.Satisfied? A little bit.I won't deny, though, I'd be rooting for the lion or tiger to rip his testes off and put his nose where his belly button is.

 

[Max Power]

The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.. I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man"-- Mahatma Gandhi

Well put, Dennis (and Gandhi).Hang Vick by his ####.

not to stir the pot, but in India dogs are treated like garbage and Cows like Gods...

 

[[scooter]]

Who cares what Vick thought 2 years ago? It has absolutely no impact on whether he will or should play in the NFL again.

 

[purestrength]

Who cares what Vick thought 2 years ago? It has absolutely no impact on whether he will or should play in the NFL again.

Speak for yourself.For some of us, it has plenty of impact.

 

[phthalatemagic]

there is no inherent DNA that makes an animal violent.

I'd love to read some of your research.

Edit: That line should have read "makes a pitbull violent". Sorry for the confusion.

animals, especially dogs, have varying personalities and temperments (sp?) just like humans. Sure, some pits may be violent, but in the case of domesticated animals, nurture has much more of an impact over nature

please don't make statements which you have no idea about

I agree

sigh, if you'd like to become a productive part of a conversation, please feel free. Otherwise, i'll just dismiss your reply as a kid trying to make a joke.Because if you truly understood the implication you've made, it would simply be proof of your lack of knowledge on the subject. Dogs are pack animals and respect leadership and dominance. While every dog cannot be made to follow a leader, most dogs will become submissive to an animal/human which shows leadership (i.e. providing food, discipline, shelter, etc). Combine this approach with an appropriate amount of exercise, correct training, and patience/time and you have yourself a good pet.

Can I sigh too?I know your type. You like to pontificate on the message board based on what you've heard, or trusims that you fancy, and you fail to provide proof to your point. You want to believe that there is no genetic expressions that make a dog violent? Fine. Show me, that's all I'm asking. Or else, you can expect people like me to make posts exactly what I make. You sound like you know alot, so go ahead and show us.Of course, there are a million examples of pit bulls attacking their owners through no understood reason, but of course you always have the advantage of running back to base (well they must have been a poor owner, etc)

 

[ditka311]

As for Grigs... it never gets old seeing so called "mean" dogs rehabilitated and given a second chance in life

My parents currently have a dog that was at some point abused in some way. Kind of a pit/rott mutt. IThey told me of a story where it went chasing after a dog in the park, and literally dragged my step dad on the ground. They brought it to my house last year for the holidays. I was honestly scared (maybe an understatement) of this dog when they took it out of the car. Leash, harness and muzzle in hand my mother stood in the driveway for an hour and a half while it barked like crazy at me and my dog on my stoop. After some time, we got them in the house. After a couple more hours of keeping them at a safe distance, they eventually could be let loose. They had to be separated a few times, but eventually my dog, a black lab mix, ten pounds lighter, actually established dominance in my house. Ever since then their dog has been improving non stop, and now they have a second dog who is actually more of a handful for them than the first.Anyway, sorry for the rant, but I believe in the "rehabilitation" to some extent. I'm no expert, and I'm sure there are exceptions, but I've seen it done.

Cool story. And not being an expert, i am sure you were initially REALLY skeptical about the ability to rehabilitate. I know its hard for most people to believe, but most of these animals can be really great pets for the right owner(s).Glad to here your parents take on that kind of responsibility. Sorry for all my replies, but this is a topic me and my family are very passionate about. I can take the pot shots form the kids looking for a laugh here on FBG. But, i'd really like to help educate people on this topic if possible.

As the owner of a rott/pit mix and an APBT, I appreciate your work here.

 

[perry147]

Mike Vick had unprotected sex when he knew he had herpes and infected a young woman, Vick broke the necks of under performing dogs, put family pets in a ring with dogs trained to kill. Plyus all of his other escapades over the years.The man is trash.

Vick should never play another down in the NFL, he is just a disgusting human being.The other people all did bad things but Vick tortured animals to death for entertainment.

 

[brutha]

?? when did Vick become a human being? also you forgot 2 wrongs make a right and other people did bad things so we shouldn't consider him bad, besides it's not his fault, it was the environment he grew up in, blah blah similar mindless apologist babblings blah.

If the NFL ever reinstates this piece of crap, here is a short list of what I will do in response:1. I will no longer play fantasy football.2. I will not watch one second of an NFL game or an NFL highlight show. That includes my favorite team (Colts), even if it's not Indy that signs him. That also includes the Super Bowl, even if Dogkiller's team isn't in it.3. Anytime I'm watching SportsCenter or any other TV sports show, I will immediately get up and change the channel whenever NFL news of any kind appears.4. I will no longer read NFL-related message boards such as this one (no offense to footballguys).5. I will encourage as many others as possible, even if some laugh at me, to follow steps 1, 2, 3 and 4 with me.I realize the NFL won't give a rat's behind if I do these things. But maybe if several hundred thousand others do it, the league might resist the urge to completely destroy its credibility.

I"m with you. But really is anyone even a tiny bit surprised by this, or him getting a suspended state sentence?

 

[Steeler43]

Interesting that killing dogs would cause some fans to boycott the NFL if he was reinstated...but abusing your wife or girlfriend is something fans can get over. Who here is boycotting the NFL over Jerramy Stevens? How about Michael Pittman? This really is a screwed-up society.

Just admit that we separate what players do and their performance on the field. The "I'm gonna punish the NFL 'cause Vick killed dogs" schtick is a bit hypocritical imo...unles you think it's worse to kill dogs than abuse women. I can't imagine that anyone here believes that.

I do think torturing/killing animals is worse than punching someone in the face.

 

[purestrength]

From Rotoworld today (Nov. 24):

Suspended QB Michael Vick will enter a guilty plea on state dogfighting charges in a Surry County, Virginia court on Tuesday.

Vick tried to do this a month ago via videoconference, but a judge didn't let him. He is hoping to serve some of his remaining jail time in a halfway house and wants to play football in 2009. He's due to be released next June.

Source: Atlanta Journal-Constitution

I hope the NFL doesn't f*** this up and let him play.