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BTW - The Gutenberg pick is a great one as it was between he and Plato that I was choosing.

I don't know who is greater, Plato or Aristotle, but I do know that all we know about the teacher comes from his student. Suffice to say that there obviously wouldn't be the one without the other.

 
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Wait a minute tim - you're telling me you've read that awful annoying Ayn Rand and the spew that she put on paper, and have done so so much that you can quote it here and make it a point to bring it up every chance you get, but you've never read Plato? Seriously? Are you mad?
This is a pretty valid question. :popcorn:
 
BTW - The Gutenberg pick is a great one as it was between he and Plato that I was choosing.I don't know who is greater, Plato or Aristotle, but I do know that all we know about the teacher comes from his student. Suffice to say that there obviously wouldn't be the one without the other.
Andy- why Plato over Aristotle?
 
I was deciding between Michelangelo, Newton, and Plato at 1.09. Plato was my almost-pick. The sharing-of-credit thing is what gave me pause.

I think I might have just barely made the right call if Aristotle ends up being the #1 Philosopher and pushes Plato to #2. I was gunning for a #1 guy.

 
A is A. Aristotle is #1.No spotlighting, Yankee; someone may decide to take you know who at some point. And she is part of the reason I didn't read Plato. She hates Plato with a passion. And I read her novels, not her philosophy stuff. I've read very little philosophy, I'm afraid.
Read Plato. Do yourself that favor. Then read Aristotle's Politics. I also enjoyed the Nicomechian Ethics, but read Politics. "For man, when perfected, is the best of animals, but, when separated from law and justice, he is the worst of all; since armed injustice is more dangerous." He puts your gal to shame. Literal, shame. She's a hack.
 
Wait a minute tim - you're telling me you've read that awful annoying Ayn Rand and the spew that she put on paper, and have done so so much that you can quote it here and make it a point to bring it up every chance you get, but you've never read Plato? Seriously? Are you mad?
This is a pretty valid question. :popcorn:
The answer largely depends on what happens tonight. All of these so-called "experts", including the POTUS, are picking some university I have never even heard of from Virginia to defeat my beloved Bruins. That can't happen. That cannot happen. If it does.....
 
There's a lot of contrarians in here -- no one's come in and argued that Gutenberg didn't invent the printing press? We'll argue that Jesus belongs in the 20th round :popcorn: , but we give Gutenberg a free pass?

 
Wait a minute tim - you're telling me you've read that awful annoying Ayn Rand and the spew that she put on paper, and have done so so much that you can quote it here and make it a point to bring it up every chance you get, but you've never read Plato? Seriously? Are you mad?
This is a pretty valid question. :popcorn:
The answer largely depends on what happens tonight. All of these so-called "experts", including the POTUS, are picking some university I have never even heard of from Virginia to defeat my beloved Bruins. That can't happen. That cannot happen. If it does.....
I'm willing to bet you will know who Eric Maynor is after tonight.
 
There's a lot of contrarians in here -- no one's come in and argued that Gutenberg didn't invent the printing press? We'll argue that Jesus belongs in the 20th round :popcorn: , but we give Gutenberg a free pass?
He didn't? Is there some conspiracy I don't know about?Did Tesla invent it? (His name always comes up in inventor conspiracies.)
 
I just want to say that, in retrospect, I was really dead on in wanting to be in the back half of round one. It's going to be a long slow crawl back to 2.18, and there's still one person out there who I considered at 1.03.

 
There's a lot of contrarians in here -- no one's come in and argued that Gutenberg didn't invent the printing press? We'll argue that Jesus belongs in the 20th round :rolleyes: , but we give Gutenberg a free pass?
Sod the printing press, he's worthy of a spot this high for his work in Police Academy
 
Anyone that has any interest in this draft, and those that were in the Great American draft, please make sure to check out that thread and especially - vote in the head to heads there. Granted, the first matchup is a blowout, but that needs to keep moving as well.

 
1.18 (18th pick) - Aristotle - Philosopher

(384 BC – 322 BC) was a Greek philosopher, a student of Plato and teacher of Alexander the Great. He wrote on many subjects, including physics, metaphysics, poetry, theater, music, logic, rhetoric, politics, government, ethics, biology and zoology.

Together with Plato and Plato's teacher, Aristotle is one of the most important founding figures in Western philosophy. He was the first to create a comprehensive system of Western philosophy, encompassing morality and aesthetics, logic and science, politics and metaphysics. Aristotle's views on the physical sciences profoundly shaped medieval scholarship, and their influence extended well into the Renaissance, although they were ultimately replaced by modern physics. In the biological sciences, some of his observations were confirmed to be accurate only in the nineteenth century. His works contain the earliest known formal study of logic, which were incorporated in the late nineteenth century into modern formal logic. In metaphysics, Aristotelianism had a profound influence on philosophical and theological thinking in the Islamic and Jewish traditions in the Middle Ages, and it continues to influence Christian theology, especially Eastern Orthodox theology, and the scholastic tradition of the Roman Catholic Church. All aspects of Aristotle's philosophy continue to be the object of active academic study today.

Though Aristotle wrote many elegant treatises and dialogues (his literary style was described as "a river of gold"), it is thought that the majority of his writings are now lost and only about one-third of the original works have survived.
My #1 there and I figured there was no chance of him falling once Andy PM'ed me his pick. I hold Aristotle above Plato and Plato's teacher.
I do too; but it's 1a and 1b, and you get your choice. Can't quarrel with either pick.
 
Only because the category is deep do I hesitate with my first selection in this draft. Also, I'm reluctant to do an extensive write-up because I suspect that more has been written about this man (within the category) than any other person - as much as other figure in world history, this man is a discussion grenade.

For the record, I only understand his work at the layman's level, nonetheless, the profundity of his work is obvious (...even to the doubters).

I select the Scientific Method incarnate .....

1.19 - Charles Darwin - Scientist

Brief intro from extensive Wiki write-up

Charles Robert Darwin FRS (12 February 1809 – 19 April 1882) was an English naturalist who realised and presented compelling evidence that all species of life have evolved over time from common ancestors, through the process he called natural selection. The fact that evolution occurs became accepted by the scientific community and much of the general public in his lifetime, while his theory of natural selection came to be widely seen as the primary explanation of the process of evolution in the 1930s, and now forms the basis of modern evolutionary theory. In modified form, Darwin’s scientific discovery is the unifying theory of the life sciences, providing logical explanation for the diversity of life.

At Edinburgh University Darwin neglected medical studies to investigate marine invertebrates, then the University of Cambridge encouraged a passion for natural science. His five-year voyage on HMS Beagle established him as an eminent geologist whose observations and theories supported Charles Lyell’s uniformitarian ideas, and publication of his journal of the voyage made him famous as a popular author. Puzzled by the geographical distribution of wildlife and fossils he collected on the voyage, Darwin investigated the transmutation of species and conceived his theory of natural selection in 1838. Although he discussed his ideas with several naturalists, he needed time for extensive research and his geological work had priority. He was writing up his theory in 1858 when Alfred Russel Wallace sent him an essay which described the same idea, prompting immediate joint publication of both of their theories.

His 1859 book On the Origin of Species established evolutionary descent with modification as the dominant scientific explanation of diversification in nature. He examined human evolution and sexual selection in The Descent of Man, and Selection in Relation to Sex, followed by The Expression of the Emotions in Man and Animals. His research on plants was published in a series of books, and in his final book, he examined earthworms and their effect on soil.

In recognition of Darwin’s pre-eminence, he was one of only five 19th-century UK non-royal personages to be honoured by a state funeral,[8] and was buried in Westminster Abbey, close to John Herschel and Isaac Newton.
:Pulls pin:
 
I just want to say that, in retrospect, I was really dead on in wanting to be in the back half of round one. It's going to be a long slow crawl back to 2.18, and there's still one person out there who I considered at 1.03.
At first I was worried about picking 18th, but the way it's played out, I am glad I get another in 5 picks.
 
Darwin's a solid pick...

even though I do have reservations about some of his conclusions, his findings are irrefutable and, honestly, world-changers...

 
1.19 - Charles Darwin - Scientist
Solid pick within the category to be sure. I think you trepidation is well founded though; this is a category that gets pretty messy after the first few, so it depends on how the judge weighs out historical vs. more recent advances in scientific thought. Should be solidly in the second teir though.
 
1.20 Mohandas Gandhi (Leader/Rebel)

Wiki intro:

Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi (Gujarati: મોહનદાસ કરમચંદ ગાંધી, IPA: [moɦən̪d̪äs kəɾəmʧən̪d̪ gän̪d̪ʱi]) (2 October 1869 – 30 January 1948) was a major political and spiritual leader of India and the Indian independence movement. He was the pioneer of satyagraha—resistance to tyranny through mass civil disobedience, firmly founded upon ahimsa or total non-violence—which led India to independence and inspired movements for civil rights and freedom across the world. He is commonly known around the world as Mahatma Gandhi (Sanskrit: महात्मा mahātmā or "Great Soul", an honorific first applied to him by Rabindranath Tagore) and in India also as Bapu (Gujarati: બાપુ bāpu or "Father"). He is officially honoured in India as the Father of the Nation; his birthday, 2 October, is commemorated there as Gandhi Jayanti, a national holiday, and worldwide as the International Day of Non-Violence.

Gandhi first employed non-violent civil disobedience as an expatriate lawyer in South Africa, in the resident Indian community's struggle for civil rights. After his return to India in 1915, he set about organising peasants, farmers, and urban labourers in protesting excessive land-tax and discrimination. Assuming leadership of the Indian National Congress in 1921, Gandhi led nationwide campaigns for easing poverty, for expanding women's rights, for building religious and ethnic amity, for ending untouchability, for increasing economic self-reliance, but above all for achieving Swaraj—the independence of India from foreign domination. Gandhi famously led Indians in the Non-cooperation movement in 1922 and in protesting the British-imposed salt tax with the 400 km (249 mi) Dandi Salt March in 1930, and later in calling for the British to Quit India in 1942. He was imprisoned for many years, on numerous occasions, in both South Africa and India.

As a practitioner of Ahimsa Gandhi swore to speak the truth, and advocated that others do the same. He lived modestly in a self-sufficient residential community and wore the traditional Indian dhoti and shawl, woven with yarn he had hand spun on a charkha. He ate simple vegetarian food, and also undertook long fasts as means of both self-purification and social protest.
For everything he accomplished and all that he preached and symbolized, it speaks to the depth of this draft that he lasted to the end of the round.
 
For those of you who may be interested, there were two options at #1 when I picked. The first was Sun Tzu and the other option was Alexander the Great.

Sun Tzu because of his philosophy towards war and the fact many war time participants have followed his writing (plus many other applications of said writing such as business wise) and the fact that those writings are still being used today in many more applicable ways.

Alexander the Great because he spawned an empire that had not been seen before and has not been seen since. He practically ruled the known world... not a part of it but all of it... at that time. He stands above and beyond any General, King, President or any other high government official because nobody has duplicated what he had.

 
Darwin is probably the most controversial scientist in history, mainly because his ideas, if carried to their logical conclusion, challenge the more literal minded religionists among us. For a guy like CrossEyed here, for example, who believes that the Bible is the word of God and should be taken literally- macroevolution cannot occur or have occurred. It must be challenged or God's word is incorrect. Other religious people who take parts of the Bible to be metaphors rather than literal (especially the Book of Genesis) have no problem accepting Darwin's teachings. According to them, Darwin just discovered the way God does things. But there is no doubt that even for someone in this latter case, one cannot accept Darwin without at least altering the way one thinks about God, faith, and the Bible.

 
1.20 Mohandas Gandhi (Leader/Rebel)

Wiki intro:

Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi (Gujarati: મોહનદાસ કરમચંદ ગાંધી, IPA: [moɦən̪d̪äs kəɾəmʧən̪d̪ gän̪d̪ʱi]) (2 October 1869 – 30 January 1948) was a major political and spiritual leader of India and the Indian independence movement. He was the pioneer of satyagraha—resistance to tyranny through mass civil disobedience, firmly founded upon ahimsa or total non-violence—which led India to independence and inspired movements for civil rights and freedom across the world. He is commonly known around the world as Mahatma Gandhi (Sanskrit: महात्मा mahātmā or "Great Soul", an honorific first applied to him by Rabindranath Tagore) and in India also as Bapu (Gujarati: બાપુ bāpu or "Father"). He is officially honoured in India as the Father of the Nation; his birthday, 2 October, is commemorated there as Gandhi Jayanti, a national holiday, and worldwide as the International Day of Non-Violence.

Gandhi first employed non-violent civil disobedience as an expatriate lawyer in South Africa, in the resident Indian community's struggle for civil rights. After his return to India in 1915, he set about organising peasants, farmers, and urban labourers in protesting excessive land-tax and discrimination. Assuming leadership of the Indian National Congress in 1921, Gandhi led nationwide campaigns for easing poverty, for expanding women's rights, for building religious and ethnic amity, for ending untouchability, for increasing economic self-reliance, but above all for achieving Swaraj—the independence of India from foreign domination. Gandhi famously led Indians in the Non-cooperation movement in 1922 and in protesting the British-imposed salt tax with the 400 km (249 mi) Dandi Salt March in 1930, and later in calling for the British to Quit India in 1942. He was imprisoned for many years, on numerous occasions, in both South Africa and India.

As a practitioner of Ahimsa Gandhi swore to speak the truth, and advocated that others do the same. He lived modestly in a self-sufficient residential community and wore the traditional Indian dhoti and shawl, woven with yarn he had hand spun on a charkha. He ate simple vegetarian food, and also undertook long fasts as means of both self-purification and social protest.
For everything he accomplished and all that he preached and symbolized, it speaks to the depth of this draft that he lasted to the end of the round.
Was hoping to get him at 2.02 :)

 
Johannes Gutenberg - Inventorsnip
I'm not sure if this is a great pick or not, but I was hoping and half-expecting him to make it to me, end of 2nd round.Same with Darwin. I like the Gandhi pick, was pretty sure he'd go in the 1st.
 
1.19 - Charles Darwin - Scientist
Solid pick within the category to be sure. I think you trepidation is well founded though; this is a category that gets pretty messy after the first few, so it depends on how the judge weighs out historical vs. more recent advances in scientific thought. Should be solidly in the second teir though.
Solid pick. However, he is the third DT taken, and there are still some cornerbacks on the board. You must have been drafting for need.
 
Darwin is probably the most controversial scientist in history, mainly because his ideas, if carried to their logical conclusion, challenge the more literal minded religionists among us. For a guy like CrossEyed here, for example, who believes that the Bible is the word of God and should be taken literally- macroevolution cannot occur or have occurred. It must be challenged or God's word is incorrect. Other religious people who take parts of the Bible to be metaphors rather than literal (especially the Book of Genesis) have no problem accepting Darwin's teachings. According to them, Darwin just discovered the way God does things. But there is no doubt that even for someone in this latter case, one cannot accept Darwin without at least altering the way one thinks about God, faith, and the Bible.
As a Christian who believes the Bible is right but humans have misinterpreted and things were explained in a way they could be understood at the time, I believe God put Darwin on this planet to make us question the faith and to help explain his methods.
 
I've never been a huge fan of Gandhi. I've always been skeptical of the fact that he found the British to be so abhorrent that he was willing to work with the Nazis and Japanese during WWII. This soured him for me.

Plus, he was the instigator of a wave of anti-colonialism and liberation for the Third World. Has this been a good thing? My honest answer is no, not for us in the west, and not for the Third World either. Mostly it's resulted in a lot of bloody dictatorships in whose politics the United States has often been forced to intervene. In the land of Gandhi, his "liberation" of that land may eventually result in the world's first nuclear exchange.

 
1.20 Mohandas Gandhi (Leader/Rebel)

Wiki intro:

Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi (Gujarati: મોહનદાસ કરમચંદ ગાંધી, IPA: [moɦən̪d̪äs kəɾəmʧən̪d̪ gän̪d̪ʱi]) (2 October 1869 – 30 January 1948) was a major political and spiritual leader of India and the Indian independence movement. He was the pioneer of satyagraha—resistance to tyranny through mass civil disobedience, firmly founded upon ahimsa or total non-violence—which led India to independence and inspired movements for civil rights and freedom across the world. He is commonly known around the world as Mahatma Gandhi (Sanskrit: महात्मा mahātmā or "Great Soul", an honorific first applied to him by Rabindranath Tagore) and in India also as Bapu (Gujarati: બાપુ bāpu or "Father"). He is officially honoured in India as the Father of the Nation; his birthday, 2 October, is commemorated there as Gandhi Jayanti, a national holiday, and worldwide as the International Day of Non-Violence.

Gandhi first employed non-violent civil disobedience as an expatriate lawyer in South Africa, in the resident Indian community's struggle for civil rights. After his return to India in 1915, he set about organising peasants, farmers, and urban labourers in protesting excessive land-tax and discrimination. Assuming leadership of the Indian National Congress in 1921, Gandhi led nationwide campaigns for easing poverty, for expanding women's rights, for building religious and ethnic amity, for ending untouchability, for increasing economic self-reliance, but above all for achieving Swaraj—the independence of India from foreign domination. Gandhi famously led Indians in the Non-cooperation movement in 1922 and in protesting the British-imposed salt tax with the 400 km (249 mi) Dandi Salt March in 1930, and later in calling for the British to Quit India in 1942. He was imprisoned for many years, on numerous occasions, in both South Africa and India.

As a practitioner of Ahimsa Gandhi swore to speak the truth, and advocated that others do the same. He lived modestly in a self-sufficient residential community and wore the traditional Indian dhoti and shawl, woven with yarn he had hand spun on a charkha. He ate simple vegetarian food, and also undertook long fasts as means of both self-purification and social protest.
For everything he accomplished and all that he preached and symbolized, it speaks to the depth of this draft that he lasted to the end of the round.
Was hoping to get him at 2.02 :thumbdown:
He's a great leader, and speaks uniquely to our 21st century zeitgeist. But I'm not sure I would put him #1. Top ten, however.
 
Darwin is probably the most controversial scientist in history, mainly because his ideas, if carried to their logical conclusion, challenge the more literal minded religionists among us. For a guy like CrossEyed here, for example, who believes that the Bible is the word of God and should be taken literally- macroevolution cannot occur or have occurred. It must be challenged or God's word is incorrect. Other religious people who take parts of the Bible to be metaphors rather than literal (especially the Book of Genesis) have no problem accepting Darwin's teachings. According to them, Darwin just discovered the way God does things. But there is no doubt that even for someone in this latter case, one cannot accept Darwin without at least altering the way one thinks about God, faith, and the Bible.
As a Christian who believes the Bible is right but humans have misinterpreted and things were explained in a way they could be understood at the time, I believe God put Darwin on this planet to make us question the faith and to help explain his methods.
This seems reasonable to me, except I'm not quite sure why God would want us to "question the faith". As a believer, isn't it your view that those who "question the faith" do not end up in Heaven, but in the other place? Why would God want this?
 
The first round is over, and it's simply excellent; the best mankind has to offer. Excellent job, everyone! I can already see the category judges are going to have a really hard time with this draft...

 
Darwin is probably the most controversial scientist in history, mainly because his ideas, if carried to their logical conclusion, challenge the more literal minded religionists among us. For a guy like CrossEyed here, for example, who believes that the Bible is the word of God and should be taken literally- macroevolution cannot occur or have occurred. It must be challenged or God's word is incorrect. Other religious people who take parts of the Bible to be metaphors rather than literal (especially the Book of Genesis) have no problem accepting Darwin's teachings. According to them, Darwin just discovered the way God does things. But there is no doubt that even for someone in this latter case, one cannot accept Darwin without at least altering the way one thinks about God, faith, and the Bible.
As a Christian who believes the Bible is right but humans have misinterpreted and things were explained in a way they could be understood at the time, I believe God put Darwin on this planet to make us question the faith and to help explain his methods.
This seems reasonable to me, except I'm not quite sure why God would want us to "question the faith". As a believer, isn't it your view that those who "question the faith" do not end up in Heaven, but in the other place? Why would God want this?
everyone questions...heck, I've spent most of the last 2 years not at all living "for God" because of various doubts and issues with the church and other things...I'm past it now (mostly), and my faith in God is stronger than ever because of it...but everyone questions their faith... and if someone doesn't, I would argue they might not have as much of a faith as they think they do...
 
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The first round is over, and it's simply excellent; the best mankind has to offer. Excellent job, everyone! I can already see the category judges are going to have a really hard time with this draft...
Not it we're judging people by best boobs. :thumbup:
I'm afraid Gandhi doesn't quite cut it in the best boobs category.
 
everyone questions...heck, I've spent most of the last 2 years not at all living "for God" because of various doubts and issues with the church and other things...I'm past it now (mostly), and my faith in God is stronger than ever because of it...but everyone questions their faith... and if someone doesn't, I would argue they might not have as much of a faith as they think they do...
OK, Larry, but do you accept the idea that God might put someone here (like Darwin) in order to CAUSE you to question your faith (and in many cases, have people abandon their faith)?
 
Crap. I have my cheat sheet on Google Docs spreadsheet and I neglected to scroll far enough to the right to see the person I really wanted at 1.19.

:crossesfingers:

 
I'm trying to keep track of all the categories as the picks are taken, despite the fact that they can be changed later on. If I can keep track of this semi-accurately as the draft goes on, it will help in evaluations later on.

From time to time, I'll post the draft's progress. Please help me out by checking over the category in which I've placed your picks.

...

DC Thunder -- I actually have Da Vinci as a Wild Card right now. Do you have him slotted elsewhere right this second?

Abrantes -- I am listing Gandhi as a Rebel. Cool?

 
I'm trying to keep track of all the categories as the picks are taken, despite the fact that they can be changed later on. If I can keep track of this semi-accurately as the draft goes on, it will help in evaluations later on.

From time to time, I'll post the draft's progress. Please help me out by checking over the category in which I've placed your picks.

...

DC Thunder -- I actually have Da Vinci as a Wild Card right now. Do you have him slotted elsewhere right this second?

Abrantes -- I am listing Gandhi as a Rebel. Cool?
Doug the 2nd post already has this information. Da Vinci is a painter, Gandhi is a leader.
 
BTW - The Gutenberg pick is a great one as it was between he and Plato that I was choosing.I don't know who is greater, Plato or Aristotle, but I do know that all we know about the teacher comes from his student. Suffice to say that there obviously wouldn't be the one without the other.
Andy- why Plato over Aristotle?
I actually had it backward. I thought we were debating whether it was Socrates or Plato at #1. Aristotle is a clear #3 to me, primarily because of his views on government.I just personally think either are more influential than Aristotle.
 
everyone questions...heck, I've spent most of the last 2 years not at all living "for God" because of various doubts and issues with the church and other things...I'm past it now (mostly), and my faith in God is stronger than ever because of it...but everyone questions their faith... and if someone doesn't, I would argue they might not have as much of a faith as they think they do...
OK, Larry, but do you accept the idea that God might put someone here (like Darwin) in order to CAUSE you to question your faith (and in many cases, have people abandon their faith)?
I don't know if I think He does, but at the same time looking at the Scriptures (especially Job), I don't think its outside of Scriptural possibility...
 
Andy, your spotlight probably doesn't hurt anything but please be careful. Thanks.

Doug, I see what you mean; you're doing it by category. Never mind.

 
Guess I'll just have to live with whoever gets taken in the next 38 picks.

2.1 Confucius (Philosopher/Intellectual)

Almost didn't take him due to the blurred line separating philosophers and intellectuals, but decided to worry about that later. I'll toss in a writeup later to stop holding the draft up any longer.

Confucius (Chinese: 孔夫子; pinyin: Kǒng Fūzǐ; Wade-Giles: K'ung-fu-tzu), lit. "Master Kong,"[1] (September 28, 551 BC – 479 BC) was a Chinese thinker and social philosopher, whose teachings and philosophy have deeply influenced Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Taiwanese and Vietnamese thought and life.

His philosophy emphasized personal and governmental morality, correctness of social relationships, justice and sincerity. These values gained prominence in China over other doctrines, such as Legalism (法家) or Taoism (道家) during the Han Dynasty[2][3][4] (206 BC – 220 AD). Confucius' thoughts have been developed into a system of philosophy known as Confucianism (儒家). It was introduced to Europe by the Jesuit Matteo Ricci, who was the first to Latinise the name as "Confucius."

In the Analects 論語, Confucius presents himself as a "transmitter who invented nothing".[7] He put the greatest emphasis on the importance of study,[21][22] and it is the Chinese character for study (or learning) that opens the text. In this respect, he is seen by Chinese people as the Greatest Master.[23] Far from trying to build a systematic theory of life and society or establish a formalism of rites, he wanted his disciples to think deeply for themselves and relentlessly study the outside world,[24] mostly through the old scriptures and by relating the moral problems of the present to past political events (like the Annals) or past expressions of feelings by common people and reflective members of the elite (preserved in the poems of the Book of Odes[25]).[26]

In times of division, chaos, and endless wars between feudal states, he wanted to restore the Mandate of Heaven “天命” that could unify the "world" (i.e. China) and bestow peace and prosperity on the people.[27] Because his vision of personal and social perfections was framed as a revival of the ordered society of earlier times, Confucius is often considered a great proponent of conservatism, but a closer look at what he proposes often shows that he used (and perhaps twisted) past institutions and rites to push a new political agenda of his own: a revival of a unified royal state, whose rulers would succeed to power on the basis of their moral merit, not their parentage;[28][29] these would be rulers devoted to their people, reaching for personal and social perfection.[30] Such a ruler would spread his own virtues to the people instead of imposing proper behavior with laws and rules.[31]

One of the deepest teachings of Confucius may have been the superiority of personal exemplification over explicit rules of behavior. Because his moral teachings emphasise self-cultivation, emulation of moral exemplars, and the attainment of skilled judgment rather than knowledge of rules, Confucius's ethics may be considered a type of virtue ethics. His teachings rarely rely on reasoned argument, and ethical ideals and methods are conveyed more indirectly, through allusions, innuendo, and even tautology. This is why his teachings need to be examined and put into proper context in order to be understood.[32][33] A good example is found in this famous anecdote:

廄焚。子退朝,曰:“傷人乎?”不問馬。

When the stables were burnt down, on returning from court, Confucius said, "Was anyone hurt?" He did not ask about the horses.

Analects X.11, tr. A. Waley

The passage conveys the lesson that by not asking about the horses, Confucius demonstrated that a sage values human beings over property; readers of this lesson are led to reflect on whether their response would follow Confucius's, and to pursue ethical self-improvement if it would not. Confucius, an exemplar of human excellence, serves as the ultimate model, rather than a deity or a universally true set of abstract principles. For these reasons, according to many Eastern and Western commentators, Confucius's teaching may be considered a Chinese example of humanism.[34]

Perhaps his most famous teaching was the Golden Rule stated in the negative form, often called the silver rule:

子貢問曰、有一言、而可以終身行之者乎。子曰、其恕乎、己所 不欲、勿施於人。

Adept Kung asked: "Is there any one word that could guide a person throughout life?"

The Master replied: "How about 'shu' [reciprocity]: never impose on others what you would not choose for yourself?"

Analects XV.24, tr. David Hinton
Leader - Mohandas GandhiMilitary

Scientist

Inventor

Discoverer/Explorer

Humanitarian/Saint/Martyr

Novelist/short story

Playwright/Poet

Villain

Athlete

Composer

Muscian/ Performer

Painter

Artist/ Non Painter

Philosopher - Confucius

Religious Figure

Celebrity

Intellectual

Rebel

Wildcard

Wildcard

Wildcard

 
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Guess I'll just have to live with whoever gets taken in the next 38 picks.

2.1 Confucius (Philosopher/Intellectual)

Almost didn't take him due to the blurred line separating philosophers and intellectuals, but decided to worry about that later. I'll toss in a writeup later to stop holding the draft up any longer.

Confucius (Chinese: 孔夫子; pinyin: Kǒng Fūzǐ; Wade-Giles: K'ung-fu-tzu), lit. "Master Kong,"[1] (September 28, 551 BC – 479 BC) was a Chinese thinker and social philosopher, whose teachings and philosophy have deeply influenced Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Taiwanese and Vietnamese thought and life.

His philosophy emphasized personal and governmental morality, correctness of social relationships, justice and sincerity. These values gained prominence in China over other doctrines, such as Legalism (法家) or Taoism (道家) during the Han Dynasty[2][3][4] (206 BC – 220 AD). Confucius' thoughts have been developed into a system of philosophy known as Confucianism (儒家). It was introduced to Europe by the Jesuit Matteo Ricci, who was the first to Latinise the name as "Confucius."

In the Analects 論語, Confucius presents himself as a "transmitter who invented nothing".[7] He put the greatest emphasis on the importance of study,[21][22] and it is the Chinese character for study (or learning) that opens the text. In this respect, he is seen by Chinese people as the Greatest Master.[23] Far from trying to build a systematic theory of life and society or establish a formalism of rites, he wanted his disciples to think deeply for themselves and relentlessly study the outside world,[24] mostly through the old scriptures and by relating the moral problems of the present to past political events (like the Annals) or past expressions of feelings by common people and reflective members of the elite (preserved in the poems of the Book of Odes[25]).[26]

In times of division, chaos, and endless wars between feudal states, he wanted to restore the Mandate of Heaven “天命” that could unify the "world" (i.e. China) and bestow peace and prosperity on the people.[27] Because his vision of personal and social perfections was framed as a revival of the ordered society of earlier times, Confucius is often considered a great proponent of conservatism, but a closer look at what he proposes often shows that he used (and perhaps twisted) past institutions and rites to push a new political agenda of his own: a revival of a unified royal state, whose rulers would succeed to power on the basis of their moral merit, not their parentage;[28][29] these would be rulers devoted to their people, reaching for personal and social perfection.[30] Such a ruler would spread his own virtues to the people instead of imposing proper behavior with laws and rules.[31]

One of the deepest teachings of Confucius may have been the superiority of personal exemplification over explicit rules of behavior. Because his moral teachings emphasise self-cultivation, emulation of moral exemplars, and the attainment of skilled judgment rather than knowledge of rules, Confucius's ethics may be considered a type of virtue ethics. His teachings rarely rely on reasoned argument, and ethical ideals and methods are conveyed more indirectly, through allusions, innuendo, and even tautology. This is why his teachings need to be examined and put into proper context in order to be understood.[32][33] A good example is found in this famous anecdote:

廄焚。子退朝,曰:“傷人乎?”不問馬。

When the stables were burnt down, on returning from court, Confucius said, "Was anyone hurt?" He did not ask about the horses.

Analects X.11, tr. A. Waley

The passage conveys the lesson that by not asking about the horses, Confucius demonstrated that a sage values human beings over property; readers of this lesson are led to reflect on whether their response would follow Confucius's, and to pursue ethical self-improvement if it would not. Confucius, an exemplar of human excellence, serves as the ultimate model, rather than a deity or a universally true set of abstract principles. For these reasons, according to many Eastern and Western commentators, Confucius's teaching may be considered a Chinese example of humanism.[34]

Perhaps his most famous teaching was the Golden Rule stated in the negative form, often called the silver rule:

子貢問曰、有一言、而可以終身行之者乎。子曰、其恕乎、己所 不欲、勿施於人。

Adept Kung asked: "Is there any one word that could guide a person throughout life?"

The Master replied: "How about 'shu' [reciprocity]: never impose on others what you would not choose for yourself?"

Analects XV.24, tr. David Hinton
Solid choice. Probably more people have lived under a Confucian culture than any other. An immense influence on China for more than 2000 years.
 
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