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[FUBAR]

worst pick: Kierkegaard. I have almost no schooling. i knocked up a girl in 10th grade & had to run away to keep her family from killing me. from then until my wife died when i was 42, i bet i didnt read a half-dozen books (outside of my yearly re-reads of Raymond Chandler & Vonnegut's 1st 6). after her passing, i borrowed my uncle's hunting cabin in Vermont and just read & wrote for a yr. it was then i realised how much i'd missed, so i read close to a thousand books, mostly of a classical nature, in the next 5 yrs in the attempt to finally edumecate myself. i, of course, encountered some classic wastes of time along the way. i count Joyce & this guy highest among them. unfair, prolly, but i come by it honestly. runnerup: Kurosawa. another snob's darling. don't like most of Fellini or half of Bergman, either.

Well, the category judge ranked him 2nd, he's one of my favorite philosophers (which is sort of like saying favorite trips to the dentist), and this is the 15th round. You don't like the guy, but he's probably the best value from this round.

 

[BobbyLayne]

worst pick: Kierkegaard. I have almost no schooling. i knocked up a girl in 10th grade & had to run away to keep her family from killing me. from then until my wife died when i was 42, i bet i didnt read a half-dozen books (outside of my yearly re-reads of Raymond Chandler & Vonnegut's 1st 6). after her passing, i borrowed my uncle's hunting cabin in Vermont and just read & wrote for a yr. it was then i realised how much i'd missed, so i read close to a thousand books, mostly of a classical nature, in the next 5 yrs in the attempt to finally edumecate myself. i, of course, encountered some classic wastes of time along the way. i count Joyce & this guy highest among them. unfair, prolly, but i come by it honestly. runnerup: Kurosawa. another snob's darling. don't like most of Fellini or half of Bergman, either.

Well, the category judge ranked him 2nd, he's one of my favorite philosophers (which is sort of like saying favorite trips to the dentist), and this is the 15th round. You don't like the guy, but he's probably the best value from this round.

Easy there, guy.Wikkid's favs and worst have no relation to how they were judged; the one pick of mine he picked as his best pick of the round was my worst (19th) in judging.

Been away most of the weekend; Grandma is in town visiting the baby, so we made two escapes to the theatre:

Waiting for Godot last night (ASIDE - fun fact I did not know; at the end of the millenium a British Royal National Theatre poll of 800 playwrights, actors, directors and journalists voted Beckett's most famous work the most significant English language play of the 20th century)

, and

Joe Turner's Come and Gone this afternoon(my first experience with August Wilson's 10-part The Pittsburgh Cycle).

Now that's pretty high-falutin' weekend of culture by my standards, and both were very enjoyable.

The highlight of my weekend, though, was reading Wikkidpissah's writeups.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Have I been named Best Judge yet?

Tier 11. Fennis (quotes were da bomb)

1a. Krista4 (still the best writeups, but even she would admit Fennis was is funnier

2. Ozy (great job as well)

 

[Orange Crush]

Wikkid,

Is there an application I can fill out to be one of your disciples?

- OC

 

[Abrantes]

worst pick: Kierkegaard. I have almost no schooling. i knocked up a girl in 10th grade & had to run away to keep her family from killing me. from then until my wife died when i was 42, i bet i didnt read a half-dozen books (outside of my yearly re-reads of Raymond Chandler & Vonnegut's 1st 6). after her passing, i borrowed my uncle's hunting cabin in Vermont and just read & wrote for a yr. it was then i realised how much i'd missed, so i read close to a thousand books, mostly of a classical nature, in the next 5 yrs in the attempt to finally edumecate myself. i, of course, encountered some classic wastes of time along the way. i count Joyce & this guy highest among them. unfair, prolly, but i come by it honestly. runnerup: Kurosawa. another snob's darling. don't like most of Fellini or half of Bergman, either.

Our short-lived affair is over not because of Yeats, but because of Kurosawa. Frankly I don't understand anyone calls him a "snob's darling"--I understand this with Fellini (whom I can't get into other than the absolute perfection of 8-1/2) or Bergman (who I alternately love and hate), but Kurosawa's movies are way too accessible as movies, not as art projects.

Seriously, Wikkid. Bummer that you got no love for Kurosawa. I could easily see the rest of the directors in this draft pegged as mummified, snob-oriented bores, but you won't get me to say a bad word about my boy Kurosawa. I'll just pretend you didn't say this. It's all good.PS. I'm just messin' with ya, of course. Thanks for the write-ups, man. Always a great read.

 

[wikkidpissah]

Wikkid,Is there an application I can fill out to be one of your disciples?- OC

i am full of it, aren't i?! OK - fueled by a new episode of Family Guy & the best compliment my writing has received in decades from BL (of course, outside of forums, i havent written for public consumption since 1983), i'll return to the round-by-rounds. hope to finish tonite or early tomorrow. *lalala* bag of weed....bag of weed....everything is better with a....*lalala*

 

[Orange Crush]

Wikkid,Is there an application I can fill out to be one of your disciples?- OC

i am full of it, aren't i?!

Actually I was being semi-serious.

 

[mad sweeney]

wikkid's write upe have been entertaining. Well, except for the leftist anti Christian diatribes that flow through all of them, but hey...... who's counting. It's funny, I've been sick as a dog since Friday night, can barely stay awake, can't talk, can't eat or drink and my head feels like it's going to pop lick the Hindenburgh, but I keep checking up in here when I can.

I don't know if that is good or bad.

Some of my favorite parts. Bu then I'm a sucker for unrepentant heresy.

 

[Fennis]

worst pick: Kierkegaard. I have almost no schooling. i knocked up a girl in 10th grade & had to run away to keep her family from killing me. from then until my wife died when i was 42, i bet i didnt read a half-dozen books (outside of my yearly re-reads of Raymond Chandler & Vonnegut's 1st 6). after her passing, i borrowed my uncle's hunting cabin in Vermont and just read & wrote for a yr. it was then i realised how much i'd missed, so i read close to a thousand books, mostly of a classical nature, in the next 5 yrs in the attempt to finally edumecate myself. i, of course, encountered some classic wastes of time along the way. i count Joyce & this guy highest among them. unfair, prolly, but i come by it honestly. runnerup: Kurosawa. another snob's darling. don't like most of Fellini or half of Bergman, either.

Well, the category judge ranked him 2nd, he's one of my favorite philosophers (which is sort of like saying favorite trips to the dentist), and this is the 15th round. You don't like the guy, but he's probably the best value from this round.

Easy there, guy.Wikkid's favs and worst have no relation to how they were judged; the one pick of mine he picked as his best pick of the round was my worst (19th) in judging.

Been away most of the weekend; Grandma is in town visiting the baby, so we made two escapes to the theatre:

Waiting for Godot last night (ASIDE - fun fact I did not know; at the end of the millenium a British Royal National Theatre poll of 800 playwrights, actors, directors and journalists voted Beckett's most famous work the most significant English language play of the 20th century)

, and

Joe Turner's Come and Gone this afternoon(my first experience with August Wilson's 10-part The Pittsburgh Cycle).

Now that's pretty high-falutin' weekend of culture by my standards, and both were very enjoyable.

The highlight of my weekend, though, was reading Wikkidpissah's writeups.

The winning GAD team thanks you!

 

[wikkidpissah]

Round Nineteen

1. Lucille Ball

2. Larry Boy 44 Shigeru Miyamoto

3. Arsenal of Doom Ernest Shackleton

4. FUBAR Albert Bierstadt

5. Acer FC Pablo Neruda

6. Yankee23 Fan Desmond Tutu

7. Thorn William Blackstone

8. DC Thunder Jascha Heifetz

9. Doug B Duke of Wellington

10. Mad Sweeney Zhuge Liang

11. Big Rocks Pink Floyd

12. higgins Henry Bessemer

13. John Madden's Lunchbox Louis Braille

14. Usual21 Andreas Vesalius

15. thatguy Toussaint Louveture

16. Andy Dufresne Edgar Degas

17. Herbert The Hippo Nzingha

18. Bobbylayne Samuel Morse

19. Mister CIA Peter Paul Rubens

20. Abrantes Joseph Henry

now i remember why i stopped here - kind of a weak round.

best pick: Bierstadt. Never figured out why Ansel Adams is so famous & Bierstadt is obscure. The American West, my home, never looked better then when he gave the same reverential treatment to its vast expanses that the Renaissance Italians gave to heroica. it is to shudder to see one up close. runnerup: i'm tempted to repeat the name Neruda over & over til krista loves me again. i've never given him a real shot and always just think of him as the man Nixon killed. yes, the surfcommie in me considers the overthrow of Allende to be a worse act than Watergate in the panoply of control dysfunctions acted out by our 37th president. i do remember, though, my SAmerican brethren saying that the coup d'etat broke an ailing Neruda's heart & killed him.

worst pick: worst thing about this round is that there are even less bad picks than great ones. Henry, Bessemer, Blackstone were all under my radar but could be the most important folks in the round. Miyamoto, being the most important figure in the art of distraction which i indicted earlier is too easy. Shakelford, wasnt that important but the recent documentary on him was one of the best historical films i ever seen. so, i guess i'll have to blame it on Lucy. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!

most interesting: aaah, Africa. what are we gonna do with you? home to humanity itself, co-host of civilization, undescribable morass of savagery on the part of its conquerors, inhospitable continent which is home to the greatest pageant of fauna on the planet & the greatest conundrum for any who believe, as i do, that we are only as strong as our weakest link. well this round contains two of the best who tried - Bishop Tutu, the funniest activist (which is, of course, like saying smartest Kardashian sister) i've ever seen, but damn near our greatest living hero; Zhingha, who i'd never hear of b4 this draft but who sounds like the coolest obscure queen since Boedica. and, while your waiting for my next round, surf on over to the Carter Center website & donate something to the Life Straw. clean water is the least we can ensure for the children of our planet & this is its best hope yet.

 

[wikkidpissah]

Round Twenty

1. Abrantes Caligula

2. Mister Cia Andrei Sakharov

3. Bobby Layne Ivan Pavlov

4. Herbert The Hippo Jawalharal Nehru

5. Andy Dufresne M.C. Escher

6. thatguy Raoul Wallenberg

7. Usual21 Francisco Vázquez de Coronado

8. John Madden's Lunchbox John Cabot

9. higgins Vyasa

10. Big Rocks Katherine Hepburn

11. Mad Sweeney Jackie Chan

12. Doug B George Orwell

13. DC Thunder John Ericsson

14. Thorn Mikhail Gorbachev

15. Yankee23fan Rod Laver

16. Acer FC Thich Quang Duc

17. FUBAR Georg Philipp Telemann

18. Arsenal of Doom Isabella I

19. Larry Boy 44 Vladimir Nabakov

20. Mario Kart Alexander Karelin

best pick: Wallenberg is huuuuge here, but he's been well written about by others in this, so i'll do another bit of continental highlighting my picking two from the Great Subcontinent, the mystery that is India. Vyasa - I havent been that successful with Hindu scripture and am an Upanishads guy more than the Vedas & Gita as far as i've gone. nonetheless, to have written so much of it, to have been to the Upanishads kind of what Virgil was to the Commedia & the to be called the Bodhisatva in Buddhist texts is pretty major. runnerup: Nehru. to throw a bone to Yankeefan, this was the John Adams of Indian independence - the everything-else man that made it happen while others shook fists or made salt or whatever.

worst pick - well, Coronado is a dirty word around here in Albuquerque (i've worked for the remnants of the Tiguex people when i've worked the last few yrs) but, since he was taken as a wildcard i dont know whether to address him as an explorer or villain, so i'll try someone else. again, now that we're into personal choices it's harder to differentiate. Escher's a lil weak, there were still better composers out there than Telemann (and i have at least a dozen CDs of him). i'll guess i'll go with Caligula, who was little more than a spoiled child with a good agent. runnerup: Chan, only cuz i feel someone in the celebrity category, should have sought their status for fame's sake or had it thrust upon them & Jackie's kinda in-between there.

most interesting: Isabella. it's hard to know whether to celebrate her financing of America's discovery or castigate her for ending the harmony between Christians, Muslims & Jews in Iberia which had and could have been a model for three-way cooperation today. runnerup: Gorbachev & Sakharov. the younger among us cant sense how inevitable the Soviet Union felt as our enemy in the Cold War. it really seemed like it would last forever. the dirty secret of Russia is that its citizens preferred security to freedom before, during and after the Soviet and that will make them forever difficult for a country like ours to deal with. God help us if they get back on their feet b4 we do. at any rate, there are few greater accomplishments than transcending that stultifying brand of inevitability and that makes these two men giants.

 

[wikkidpissah]

Round Twenty- One

1. Mario Kart Franz Liszt

2. Larry Boy 44 Michael Collins

3. Arsenal of Doom Alexander Solzhenitsyn

4. FUBAR Pashacuti

5. Acer FC Sun Yat-Sen

6. Yankee23 Fan Thomas Mann

7. Thorn Shaka Zulu

8. DC Thunder John Hanning Speke

9. Doug B Nadia Comaneci

10. Mad Sweeney Orson Welles

11. Big Rocks Carl Jung

12. higgins Alfred Tennyson

13. John Madden's Lunchbox Harry S Truman

14. Usual21 Pedro Alonso Lopez

15. thatguy Christopher Wren

16. Andy Dufresne Baruch de Spinoza

17. Herbert The Hippo Umberto Eco

18. Bobbylayne Joseph Lister

19. Mister CIA Robert Crumb

20. Abrantes Vasco Nunes De Balboa

best pick: Spinoza. If those who have been impressed by my outlook and hopes want to read more along those lines, Spinoza's philosophy is probably closest to mine. Insisting upon reason, but wanting magic and yearning for God's address like a hungry bird. runnerup: Yat-Sen. if you can get a liberator this late, you done good.

worst pick: Tennyson. perhaps the greatest of his era, but with all the Romantic era guys (Keats, Shelley, Byron, Coleridge)still out there, better could have been done. runnerup: Crumb. again, we're in the personal phase of the draft & this one is soooo "huh?!" that i actually like it.

most interesting: Welles. since some of you have enjoyed me talking about my projects, i'll tell you of the file i have open on ol' Orson. Mostly fueled by Hearst's money & connections (not only angry about being the subject of Kane but that "Rosebud" was his nickname for his girlfriend's hooha), Hollywood became a hot place to be for Welles after Citizen Kane came out. Combine this with the eternal impatience of the 20th Cs most-talented man & u have a hunger for new horizons. while he was wrapping up The Magnificent Ambersons (during & after Pearl Harbor), Averill Harriman contacted him & said that he was recruiting movie people to help America improve relations with Latin America, needed allies in the World War. He asked for a budget for a documentary in the bargain & got the kind of one only the govt (in cooperation with one of the studios) could offer. First, he filmed a Dio de Los Muertos in Mexico then he went down to Rio to shoot Carnival (one of the studio execs looked at rushes & wired his boss "a million bucks & all we got is a buncha jigaboos jumpin up & down!"), ran up expense accounts & entertainment bills that would have made Belushi & Prince Bandar-Bush proud. meanwhile, back in Hollywood, Hearst arranged for RKO to recut Welles' 2nd movie (Ambersons) so it would suck (the 20+ minutes they cut out have been lost forever) & the resultant flop gives them an excuse to cut him off.

this is where it gets good. Welles hears of a story involving four peasants from Fortaleza, on Brazil's north coast. who were rowing a raft all the way around the coast of Brazil to Rio to bring Pres. Vargas' attention to the plight of their people. it became a cause celebre right around the time Welles was running out of dough & he saw opportunity in this story. some say it was an estuarial wave, some say it was the wake of motorboating onlookers rushing to greet these national heroes but, anyway, after a 1600 mile voyage on open ocean, their raft capsized in Rio harbor and they all drowned. Welles decides to take his now-skeletal crew & remaining film stock up to Forteleza to see what he could see. when he arrives, he is witness to a funeral procession up from the village to the sandy bluff where they bury their dead. the incredible seaside light & the open faces and simple faith of villagers convinces him he is seeing the very face of God. and it is destiny - the greatest filmmaker in history sent on a roundabout quest ending with the chance to shoot the Light of God. so he restages the funeral with cameras buried in the sand & massive lighthouse-type spotlights trying to replicate what he saw in the first procession. thing is, once he was done, he was sooo broke that he didnt own rights to the footage and couldnt afford to buy it (the powers that be wouldnta let him have it at any price) and the cycle of him doing crass commerical projects to finance his personal passions that ruined him as a filmmaker began. the stock languished in a Hollywood warehouse til about a decade ago when it was assembled best as possible (the most dramatic b&w footage ive ever seen) in a film released as "It's All True". HELLA story - i'll finish the script one day.

 

[wikkidpissah]

Round Twenty-Two

1. Abrantes Miyamoto Musashi

2. Mister Cia George Eastman

3. Bobby Layne Heron

4. Herbert The Hippo Lucky Luciano

5. Andy Dufresne Frederic Bastiat

6. thatguy Chanakya

7. Usual21 Harry Houdini

8. John Madden's Lunchbox Vaclav Havel

9. higgins Ptolemy

10. Big Rocks Pancho Villa

11. Mad Sweeney Warren Buffett

12. Doug B John Dalton

13. DC Thunder Rudyard Kipling

14. Thorn Antonie Van Leeuwenhoek

15. Yankee23fan John Adams

16. Acer FC Enrico Fermi

17. FUBAR Kate Sheppard

18. Arsenal of Doom Audrey Hepburn

19. Larry Boy 44 Leonidas

20. Mario Kart Hypatia

best pick: Fermi - to get a scientist of this stature (may well have practiced the best science ever conducted in this country)so late is strong. runnerup: Adams. i'll repeat my comment from the GAD - it's a little-known fact that John Adams' likeness IS carved into Mount Rushmore. he's just too short to be seen from afar. there you go, YF.

worst pick: oh, who really #@&%ing cares by now.

most interesting: i prolly would have put Houdini in the Top 3 had he been taken as a celebrity. runnerup: Hypatia, any time a woman of antiquity becomes of consequence, it's got to be a fascinating story & i wanted to point out that this is the first time ive seen a draft end with a Miss Irrelevant.

well, it's been fun. certainly killed my weekend. hope its complimented yours. now, it's just come upon the 13th anniversary of the death of my beloved Mary - time to have a couplefew. nufced

 

[Abrantes]

most interesting: Welles. since some of you have enjoyed me talking about my projects, i'll tell you of the file i have open on ol' Orson. Mostly fueled by Hearst's money & connections (not only angry about being the subject of Kane but that "Rosebud" was his nickname for his girlfriend's hooha), Hollywood became a hot place to be for Welles after Citizen Kane came out. Combine this with the eternal impatience of the 20th Cs most-talented man & u have a hunger for new horizons. while he was wrapping up The Magnificent Ambersons (during & after Pearl Harbor), Averill Harriman contacted him & said that he was recruiting movie people to help America improve relations with Latin America, needed allies in the World War. He asked for a budget for a documentary in the bargain & got the kind of one only the govt (in cooperation with one of the studios) could offer. First, he filmed a Dio de Los Muertos in Mexico then he went down to Rio to shoot Carnival (one of the studio execs looked at rushes & wired his boss "a million bucks & all we got is a buncha jigaboos jumpin up & down!"), ran up expense accounts & entertainment bills that would have made Belushi & Prince Bandar-Bush proud. meanwhile, back in Hollywood, Hearst arranged for RKO to recut Welles' 2nd movie (Ambersons) so it would suck (the 20+ minutes they cut out have been lost forever) & the resultant flop gives them an excuse to cut him off. this is where it gets good. Welles hears of a story involving four peasants from Fortaleza, on Brazil's north coast. who were rowing a raft all the way around the coast of Brazil to Rio to bring Pres. Vargas' attention to the plight of their people. it became a cause celebre right around the time Welles was running out of dough & he saw opportunity in this story. some say it was an estuarial wave, some say it was the wake of motorboating onlookers rushing to greet these national heroes but, anyway, after a 1600 mile voyage on open ocean, their raft capsized in Rio harbor and they all drowned. Welles decides to take his now-skeletal crew & remaining film stock up to Forteleza to see what he could see. when he arrives, he is witness to a funeral procession up from the village to the sandy bluff where they bury their dead. the incredible seaside light & the open faces and simple faith of villagers convinces him he is seeing the very face of God. and it is destiny - the greatest filmmaker in history sent on a roundabout quest ending with the chance to shoot the Light of God. so he restages the funeral with cameras buried in the sand & massive lighthouse-type spotlights trying to replicate what he saw in the first procession. thing is, once he was done, he was sooo broke that he didnt own rights to the footage and couldnt afford to buy it (the powers that be wouldnta let him have it at any price) and the cycle of him doing crass commerical projects to finance his personal passions that ruined him as a filmmaker began. the stock languished in a Hollywood warehouse til about a decade ago when it was assembled best as possible (the most dramatic b&w footage ive ever seen) in a film released as "It's All True". HELLA story - i'll finish the script one day.

Apart from calling Welles the greatest filmmaker in history, that's a hell of a story. Also, Fortaleza is a beautiful, beautiful place.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Good job wikkid. Fun to read.

It seems that the only think left here officialy is larry's rankings of the judges - which should be hysterical.

I want to thank tim for another great effort running another interesting draft. There were glitches and ifights like the last one, but overall something like this is impossible to do perfectly anyway, yet he came pretty close. It seems that the draft method of discussing these people and their topics of interest works better as a conversation backdrop then just a random thread, so while I understand the aspect of a draft, it also does make some sense.

As most here probably did, I learned a few new things and met a few new people in history. It's always interesting to me to see others' views of historical people and times given that it's my passion, so to speak. It's been fun and I would welcome another similar draft as we have discussed throughout this and the other draft.

And speaking of the "other" draft, I think I have to again make the comment that tim did a great job there and that thread was an easy 10 in FFA history. I enjoyed that one more, but that might just be because I enjoy American history more and therefore took more effort in the entire conversation. I have to admit, there were some people and topics here that just didn't interest me. But, if that draft was a 10 thread wise, this one was an easy 7.5 or 8 and in the grand scheme of the FFA that puts it in the top 5% or so of all threads.

One final comment about the problem I created towards the end - I really had no mailce aforethought or evil intentions in anything I did. I took the ranking seriously and thought I did a pretty good job. If shiny's opinion changed mine, and that was a showing of weakness in some respect, then I apologize. I was the one arguing with judges at the beginning of this thing and I can see how my actions, though unintended, might seem hypocritical. So, again, I apologize. I hope that didn't take away too much from a fun effort.

One final though in this - I was one of the people in the American draft and here that constantly said that American history is getting the shaft and that we look too far into the past and too far off our shores to find greatness when the truth is that there is so much greatness in our own history that it seems we can't appreciate it. Some kind of internal self loathing on a historical theatre. This draft, however, did open my eyes to another truth and that is that as a western civilization, we don't seem to have the same historical perspective of the eastern peoples and theri history. Make no mistake, I believe our western civilization to be the "best" created and therefore get how the revolutions, inventions, wars and renessaince of our peoples trumps those of the eastern peoples - but there was greatness there as well. I am going to make it a point to get into those histories a little more a result of this.

Who knows - as someone who says that we should look to the leadership and teachings of John Adams and Abraham Lincoln to get our ship back on course, it may just turn out that some chinese guy already drew the map of that course some 3,000 years ago and the daily events of human history failed to allow that map to be published. It's worth a look. God knows, we haven't been able to perfect it yet either.

 

[timschochet]

Thanks for the kind words, Yankee. Our various differences aside, you're one of the many people who made this draft as enjoyabe as it's been.

 

[Ozymandias]

I want to add my congratulations to temshoshette. I guess I could check how you spell his name by looking up in the left corner, but who wants to do that?

But I thought the draft was a great idea, and it worked very well. I also thought that although Tim has strong opinions, he tries to be open minded, sometimes unsuccessfully. But then, many of the regulars, myself particularly, are very opinionated.

What was a constant to me was the incredible amount of knowledge exhibited by the FFA. We have people who are knowledgeable of about any kind of subject under the sun. I agree with Yankee that there is a Western Civilization bias, but then I also agree that it has made the greatest contribution to the world we live in.

My kudos to the judges. I disagreed vehemently with some; but respect them all.

And thanks to Tim.

 

[DCThunder]

I'll pile on with kudos for timmy as well. Great job not only to him for keeping this thing more or less organized, but also to the drafters, judges and outside commenters. The tool factor in both this draft and the GAD was amazingly low, so they didn't degenerate into total chaos. For that everyone deserves a very big GOLF CLAP!

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Thanks for the kind words, Yankee. Our various differences aside, you're one of the many people who made this draft as enjoyabe as it's been.

Thanks.Now go get your ******* shine box!(And if you don't get that reference you are dead to me.)

 

[BobbyLayne]

This draft, however, did open my eyes to another truth and that is that as a western civilization, we don't seem to have the same historical perspective of the eastern peoples and theri history. Make no mistake, I believe our western civilization to be the "best" created and therefore get how the revolutions, inventions, wars and renessaince of our peoples trumps those of the eastern peoples - but there was greatness there as well. I am going to make it a point to get into those histories a little more a result of this.

Anyone who did not learn a lot in this draft just wasn't paying attention. Great job by all the drafters to get outside their comfort zone and choose folks you may not have been as familiar with a few months ago.

 

[FUBAR]

This draft, however, did open my eyes to another truth and that is that as a western civilization, we don't seem to have the same historical perspective of the eastern peoples and theri history. Make no mistake, I believe our western civilization to be the "best" created and therefore get how the revolutions, inventions, wars and renessaince of our peoples trumps those of the eastern peoples - but there was greatness there as well. I am going to make it a point to get into those histories a little more a result of this.

Anyone who did not learn a lot in this draft just wasn't paying attention. Great job by all the drafters to get outside their comfort zone and choose folks you may not have been as familiar with a few months ago.

I strived to get reps from each continent and found I valued the East more than some. However, I found to my dismay that many of the people I thought about drafting prior to research, were FRENCH. :XFun times.Not to hijack, but is there sufficient interest in the fiction draft? I wouldn't mind trying my hand at running it, but not taking part. I actually think it could be more fun to run it and poke fun at others picks

 

[Frostillicus]

This draft, however, did open my eyes to another truth and that is that as a western civilization, we don't seem to have the same historical perspective of the eastern peoples and theri history. Make no mistake, I believe our western civilization to be the "best" created and therefore get how the revolutions, inventions, wars and renessaince of our peoples trumps those of the eastern peoples - but there was greatness there as well. I am going to make it a point to get into those histories a little more a result of this.

Anyone who did not learn a lot in this draft just wasn't paying attention. Great job by all the drafters to get outside their comfort zone and choose folks you may not have been as familiar with a few months ago.

I strived to get reps from each continent and found I valued the East more than some. However, I found to my dismay that many of the people I thought about drafting prior to research, were FRENCH. :XFun times.Not to hijack, but is there sufficient interest in the fiction draft? I wouldn't mind trying my hand at running it, but not taking part. I actually think it could be more fun to run it and poke fun at others picks

I hope so, because I would love to read it. Reading through this and the American draft has been a pleasure.

 

[timschochet]

I would love to be in the fiction draft. Just so long as somebody else runs it.

 

[FUBAR]

I would love to be in the fiction draft. Just so long as somebody else runs it.

 

[DCThunder]

This draft, however, did open my eyes to another truth and that is that as a western civilization, we don't seem to have the same historical perspective of the eastern peoples and theri history. Make no mistake, I believe our western civilization to be the "best" created and therefore get how the revolutions, inventions, wars and renessaince of our peoples trumps those of the eastern peoples - but there was greatness there as well. I am going to make it a point to get into those histories a little more a result of this.

Anyone who did not learn a lot in this draft just wasn't paying attention. Great job by all the drafters to get outside their comfort zone and choose folks you may not have been as familiar with a few months ago.

I strived to get reps from each continent and found I valued the East more than some. However, I found to my dismay that many of the people I thought about drafting prior to research, were FRENCH. :XFun times.Not to hijack, but is there sufficient interest in the fiction draft? I wouldn't mind trying my hand at running it, but not taking part. I actually think it could be more fun to run it and poke fun at others picks

I'd love to get in a fiction draft. I had a similar idea, but didn't want to run it.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

This draft, however, did open my eyes to another truth and that is that as a western civilization, we don't seem to have the same historical perspective of the eastern peoples and theri history. Make no mistake, I believe our western civilization to be the "best" created and therefore get how the revolutions, inventions, wars and renessaince of our peoples trumps those of the eastern peoples - but there was greatness there as well. I am going to make it a point to get into those histories a little more a result of this.

Anyone who did not learn a lot in this draft just wasn't paying attention. Great job by all the drafters to get outside their comfort zone and choose folks you may not have been as familiar with a few months ago.

I strived to get reps from each continent and found I valued the East more than some. However, I found to my dismay that many of the people I thought about drafting prior to research, were FRENCH. :XFun times.Not to hijack, but is there sufficient interest in the fiction draft? I wouldn't mind trying my hand at running it, but not taking part. I actually think it could be more fun to run it and poke fun at others picks

I'd love to get in a fiction draft. I had a similar idea, but didn't want to run it.

I would enjoy one as well, but larry and I had very different ideas of it- My idea of a fun one was only allow "real" human characters. He wants 10 different kinds of villains so that every comic book fantasy POS can be included. My idea was we should use the categories here and in the GAD and only draft actual - such as they were - people.James Kirk as a military officerIndiana Jones as an exploreryour favorite TV lawyer as the lawyer.And on and on. The only loophole would be humans that weren't from our earth - Battlestar Galactica and Star Wars to name two. I know you go down a slippery slope allowing Darth Vader and Luke because of the force, but then not allowing what amounts to superhero's and villains, so I would offer that Star Wars be taken away instead of going larry's way. The fictional character draft has been done to allow those kind of alien and non human picks. I was thinking it would be fun to actually have to draft "real" characters to fit the roles. I'm thinking more Angela Lansbury in Murder She Wrote for novelists type thing. Not the mutant alien insect thing from Final Fantasy as the evil bad guy. Anyone can do that.

 

[DCThunder]

This draft, however, did open my eyes to another truth and that is that as a western civilization, we don't seem to have the same historical perspective of the eastern peoples and theri history. Make no mistake, I believe our western civilization to be the "best" created and therefore get how the revolutions, inventions, wars and renessaince of our peoples trumps those of the eastern peoples - but there was greatness there as well. I am going to make it a point to get into those histories a little more a result of this.

Anyone who did not learn a lot in this draft just wasn't paying attention. Great job by all the drafters to get outside their comfort zone and choose folks you may not have been as familiar with a few months ago.

I strived to get reps from each continent and found I valued the East more than some. However, I found to my dismay that many of the people I thought about drafting prior to research, were FRENCH. :XFun times.Not to hijack, but is there sufficient interest in the fiction draft? I wouldn't mind trying my hand at running it, but not taking part. I actually think it could be more fun to run it and poke fun at others picks

I'd love to get in a fiction draft. I had a similar idea, but didn't want to run it.

I would enjoy one as well, but larry and I had very different ideas of it- My idea of a fun one was only allow "real" human characters. He wants 10 different kinds of villains so that every comic book fantasy POS can be included. My idea was we should use the categories here and in the GAD and only draft actual - such as they were - people.James Kirk as a military officerIndiana Jones as an exploreryour favorite TV lawyer as the lawyer.And on and on. The only loophole would be humans that weren't from our earth - Battlestar Galactica and Star Wars to name two. I know you go down a slippery slope allowing Darth Vader and Luke because of the force, but then not allowing what amounts to superhero's and villains, so I would offer that Star Wars be taken away instead of going larry's way. The fictional character draft has been done to allow those kind of alien and non human picks. I was thinking it would be fun to actually have to draft "real" characters to fit the roles. I'm thinking more Angela Lansbury in Murder She Wrote for novelists type thing. Not the mutant alien insect thing from Final Fantasy as the evil bad guy. Anyone can do that.

Why not have categories like: Hero-Novel, Hero-Movie, Hero-Cartoon, Lawyer-TV, Private Eye-Movie, Private Eye-TV etc. Then the first medium where a character appeared would be where he was slotted. Capt. Kirk could be a TV hero, but not a Movie or novel hero because he was in TV first. Batman would be a cartoon hero becuase he appeared in comics before movies or TV, but Indiana Jones would be movie, because that was first.ETA: I'd also ban Biblical characters because then you get into the whole debate of if they were "real" or not.

 

[timschochet]

So where is Larry Boy 44? Do we need to start looking for a new judge of judges? Come on Larry, you promised this morning...

 

[AcerFC]

I would be down for some sort of fiction daft. Auto in me :wavesjedihand:

 

[timschochet]

Suggested fictional categories-

Hero- novel

Hero- movie

Hero- TV

Superhero

Heroine novel

Heroine movie

Heroine TV

Villain novel

Villain movie

Villain TV

supervillain

Detective- all genres

action hero- all genres

science fiction character- all genres

supporting cast male- all genres

supporting cast female- all genres

that's 16 categories. I suppose you could have wildcards too.

 

[FUBAR]

My idea of a fun one was only allow "real" human characters. He wants 10 different kinds of villains so that every comic book fantasy POS can be included. My idea was we should use the categories here and in the GAD and only draft actual - such as they were - people.James Kirk as a military officerIndiana Jones as an exploreryour favorite TV lawyer as the lawyer.And on and on. The only loophole would be humans that weren't from our earth - Battlestar Galactica and Star Wars to name two. I know you go down a slippery slope allowing Darth Vader and Luke because of the force, but then not allowing what amounts to superhero's and villains, so I would offer that Star Wars be taken away instead of going larry's way. The fictional character draft has been done to allow those kind of alien and non human picks. I was thinking it would be fun to actually have to draft "real" characters to fit the roles. I'm thinking more Angela Lansbury in Murder She Wrote for novelists type thing. Not the mutant alien insect thing from Final Fantasy as the evil bad guy. Anyone can do that.

Why not have categories like: Hero-Novel, Hero-Movie, Hero-Cartoon, Lawyer-TV, Private Eye-Movie, Private Eye-TV etc. Then the first medium where a character appeared would be where he was slotted. Capt. Kirk could be a TV hero, but not a Movie or novel hero because he was in TV first. Batman would be a cartoon hero becuase he appeared in comics before movies or TV, but Indiana Jones would be movie, because that was first.ETA: I'd also ban Biblical characters because then you get into the whole debate of if they were "real" or not.

If I end up running this thing, it will be limited to realistic people. Hulk wouldn't be allowed, Batman would (he doesn't have superpowers). Darth Vader wouldn't be allowed, but Han Solo would be. CPT Kirk is fine, probably not Spock. I'd probably use real categories, but not an exact replica of the GAD or WGD. MilitaryLawyerExplorerScientistCrime-fighterVillain"Every Man"HeroHeroineaction heroSidekick MaleSidekick FemalePrehistoric FigureFuture Figure (but remember, must be realistic)That's 14, probably add a couple more categories and WC to make 20. If enough people want to divide into movies/TV/Books, we can.Basically, people that could, under our rules of science, exist in this world but did not. Any person who is unclear, just PM me and I'll make the decision. If I make a decision that more than 3 people complain about, I'll reconsider. I'm actually fairly excited about it and may kick off the sign-up thread tonight.

 

[flysack]

most interesting: Welles. since some of you have enjoyed me talking about my projects, i'll tell you of the file i have open on ol' Orson. Mostly fueled by Hearst's money & connections (not only angry about being the subject of Kane but that "Rosebud" was his nickname for his girlfriend's hooha), Hollywood became a hot place to be for Welles after Citizen Kane came out. Combine this with the eternal impatience of the 20th Cs most-talented man & u have a hunger for new horizons. while he was wrapping up The Magnificent Ambersons (during & after Pearl Harbor), Averill Harriman contacted him & said that he was recruiting movie people to help America improve relations with Latin America, needed allies in the World War. He asked for a budget for a documentary in the bargain & got the kind of one only the govt (in cooperation with one of the studios) could offer. First, he filmed a Dio de Los Muertos in Mexico then he went down to Rio to shoot Carnival (one of the studio execs looked at rushes & wired his boss "a million bucks & all we got is a buncha jigaboos jumpin up & down!"), ran up expense accounts & entertainment bills that would have made Belushi & Prince Bandar-Bush proud. meanwhile, back in Hollywood, Hearst arranged for RKO to recut Welles' 2nd movie (Ambersons) so it would suck (the 20+ minutes they cut out have been lost forever) & the resultant flop gives them an excuse to cut him off.

this is where it gets good. Welles hears of a story involving four peasants from Fortaleza, on Brazil's north coast. who were rowing a raft all the way around the coast of Brazil to Rio to bring Pres. Vargas' attention to the plight of their people. it became a cause celebre right around the time Welles was running out of dough & he saw opportunity in this story. some say it was an estuarial wave, some say it was the wake of motorboating onlookers rushing to greet these national heroes but, anyway, after a 1600 mile voyage on open ocean, their raft capsized in Rio harbor and they all drowned. Welles decides to take his now-skeletal crew & remaining film stock up to Forteleza to see what he could see. when he arrives, he is witness to a funeral procession up from the village to the sandy bluff where they bury their dead. the incredible seaside light & the open faces and simple faith of villagers convinces him he is seeing the very face of God. and it is destiny - the greatest filmmaker in history sent on a roundabout quest ending with the chance to shoot the Light of God. so he restages the funeral with cameras buried in the sand & massive lighthouse-type spotlights trying to replicate what he saw in the first procession. thing is, once he was done, he was sooo broke that he didnt own rights to the footage and couldnt afford to buy it (the powers that be wouldnta let him have it at any price) and the cycle of him doing crass commerical projects to finance his personal passions that ruined him as a filmmaker began. the stock languished in a Hollywood warehouse til about a decade ago when it was assembled best as possible (the most dramatic b&w footage ive ever seen) in a film released as "It's All True". HELLA story - i'll finish the script one day.

rder placed with Amazon:

 

[flysack]

Count me in on the Fictional Draft.

Drafter this time, not a judge.

1.01 - Sun Tzu.

What? Can YOU prove he existed??!

 

[FUBAR]

Count me in on the Fictional Draft.

Drafter this time, not a judge.

1.01 - Sun Tzu.

What? Can YOU prove he existed??!

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=465309

 

[thatguy]

Flysack, I meant to ask you this awhile ago, but forgot. Where would you have ranked GGM?

Also, UH, where would you have ranked Prince?

 

[Uncle Humuna]

IN for the fiction draft.

Would suggest using the exact same categories as the non-fiction one . . .

 

[wikkidpissah]

most interesting: Welles. since some of you have enjoyed me talking about my projects, i'll tell you of the file i have open on ol' Orson. Mostly fueled by Hearst's money & connections (not only angry about being the subject of Kane but that "Rosebud" was his nickname for his girlfriend's hooha), Hollywood became a hot place to be for Welles after Citizen Kane came out. Combine this with the eternal impatience of the 20th Cs most-talented man & u have a hunger for new horizons. while he was wrapping up The Magnificent Ambersons (during & after Pearl Harbor), Averill Harriman contacted him & said that he was recruiting movie people to help America improve relations with Latin America, needed allies in the World War. He asked for a budget for a documentary in the bargain & got the kind of one only the govt (in cooperation with one of the studios) could offer. First, he filmed a Dio de Los Muertos in Mexico then he went down to Rio to shoot Carnival (one of the studio execs looked at rushes & wired his boss "a million bucks & all we got is a buncha jigaboos jumpin up & down!"), ran up expense accounts & entertainment bills that would have made Belushi & Prince Bandar-Bush proud. meanwhile, back in Hollywood, Hearst arranged for RKO to recut Welles' 2nd movie (Ambersons) so it would suck (the 20+ minutes they cut out have been lost forever) & the resultant flop gives them an excuse to cut him off.

this is where it gets good. Welles hears of a story involving four peasants from Fortaleza, on Brazil's north coast. who were rowing a raft all the way around the coast of Brazil to Rio to bring Pres. Vargas' attention to the plight of their people. it became a cause celebre right around the time Welles was running out of dough & he saw opportunity in this story. some say it was an estuarial wave, some say it was the wake of motorboating onlookers rushing to greet these national heroes but, anyway, after a 1600 mile voyage on open ocean, their raft capsized in Rio harbor and they all drowned. Welles decides to take his now-skeletal crew & remaining film stock up to Forteleza to see what he could see. when he arrives, he is witness to a funeral procession up from the village to the sandy bluff where they bury their dead. the incredible seaside light & the open faces and simple faith of villagers convinces him he is seeing the very face of God. and it is destiny - the greatest filmmaker in history sent on a roundabout quest ending with the chance to shoot the Light of God. so he restages the funeral with cameras buried in the sand & massive lighthouse-type spotlights trying to replicate what he saw in the first procession. thing is, once he was done, he was sooo broke that he didnt own rights to the footage and couldnt afford to buy it (the powers that be wouldnta let him have it at any price) and the cycle of him doing crass commerical projects to finance his personal passions that ruined him as a filmmaker began. the stock languished in a Hollywood warehouse til about a decade ago when it was assembled best as possible (the most dramatic b&w footage ive ever seen) in a film released as "It's All True". HELLA story - i'll finish the script one day.

rder placed with Amazon:

amazing footage. enjoy. interesting companion pieceand, Abrantes, when i said "greatest filmmaker in history", i meant that from Welles' POV - that God would only choose the ordained best to be cinematic witness to His Light.

 

[Uncle Humuna]

Flysack, I meant to ask you this awhile ago, but forgot. Where would you have ranked GGM?Also, UH, where would you have ranked Prince?

Prince is a talented little ####er.I probably would have put him in the middle of the pack.

 

[BobbyLayne]

a few things:3. I plan to have the judges rankings and write ups up by Monday morning...

...

 

[flysack]

Flysack, I meant to ask you this awhile ago, but forgot. Where would you have ranked GGM?Also, UH, where would you have ranked Prince?

GGM?

 

[Abrantes]

Flysack, I meant to ask you this awhile ago, but forgot. Where would you have ranked GGM?Also, UH, where would you have ranked Prince?

GGM?

Marquez, I assume.

 

[Abrantes]

most interesting: Welles. since some of you have enjoyed me talking about my projects, i'll tell you of the file i have open on ol' Orson. Mostly fueled by Hearst's money & connections (not only angry about being the subject of Kane but that "Rosebud" was his nickname for his girlfriend's hooha), Hollywood became a hot place to be for Welles after Citizen Kane came out. Combine this with the eternal impatience of the 20th Cs most-talented man & u have a hunger for new horizons. while he was wrapping up The Magnificent Ambersons (during & after Pearl Harbor), Averill Harriman contacted him & said that he was recruiting movie people to help America improve relations with Latin America, needed allies in the World War. He asked for a budget for a documentary in the bargain & got the kind of one only the govt (in cooperation with one of the studios) could offer. First, he filmed a Dio de Los Muertos in Mexico then he went down to Rio to shoot Carnival (one of the studio execs looked at rushes & wired his boss "a million bucks & all we got is a buncha jigaboos jumpin up & down!"), ran up expense accounts & entertainment bills that would have made Belushi & Prince Bandar-Bush proud. meanwhile, back in Hollywood, Hearst arranged for RKO to recut Welles' 2nd movie (Ambersons) so it would suck (the 20+ minutes they cut out have been lost forever) & the resultant flop gives them an excuse to cut him off.

this is where it gets good. Welles hears of a story involving four peasants from Fortaleza, on Brazil's north coast. who were rowing a raft all the way around the coast of Brazil to Rio to bring Pres. Vargas' attention to the plight of their people. it became a cause celebre right around the time Welles was running out of dough & he saw opportunity in this story. some say it was an estuarial wave, some say it was the wake of motorboating onlookers rushing to greet these national heroes but, anyway, after a 1600 mile voyage on open ocean, their raft capsized in Rio harbor and they all drowned. Welles decides to take his now-skeletal crew & remaining film stock up to Forteleza to see what he could see. when he arrives, he is witness to a funeral procession up from the village to the sandy bluff where they bury their dead. the incredible seaside light & the open faces and simple faith of villagers convinces him he is seeing the very face of God. and it is destiny - the greatest filmmaker in history sent on a roundabout quest ending with the chance to shoot the Light of God. so he restages the funeral with cameras buried in the sand & massive lighthouse-type spotlights trying to replicate what he saw in the first procession. thing is, once he was done, he was sooo broke that he didnt own rights to the footage and couldnt afford to buy it (the powers that be wouldnta let him have it at any price) and the cycle of him doing crass commerical projects to finance his personal passions that ruined him as a filmmaker began. the stock languished in a Hollywood warehouse til about a decade ago when it was assembled best as possible (the most dramatic b&w footage ive ever seen) in a film released as "It's All True". HELLA story - i'll finish the script one day.

rder placed with Amazon:

amazing footage. enjoy. interesting companion pieceand, Abrantes, when i said "greatest filmmaker in history", i meant that from Welles' POV - that God would only choose the ordained best to be cinematic witness to His Light.

Ah, right on.

 

[FUBAR]

IN for the fiction draft.Would suggest using the exact same categories as the non-fiction one . . .

I'm not against that, but cats like Composer, painter, and religious figure are problematic.

 

[thatguy]

Flysack, I meant to ask you this awhile ago, but forgot. Where would you have ranked GGM?Also, UH, where would you have ranked Prince?

GGM?

Marquez, I assume.

Correct. As the resident literary expert, Flysack, I thought it would be obvious to you.

 

[DCThunder]

Another scientist/intellectual who wasn't drafted was Stephen Hawking.

Wonder where he'd have placed in the judging?

 

[larry_boy_44]

My idea of a fun one was only allow "real" human characters. He wants 10 different kinds of villains so that every comic book fantasy POS can be included. My idea was we should use the categories here and in the GAD and only draft actual - such as they were - people.James Kirk as a military officerIndiana Jones as an exploreryour favorite TV lawyer as the lawyer.And on and on. The only loophole would be humans that weren't from our earth - Battlestar Galactica and Star Wars to name two. I know you go down a slippery slope allowing Darth Vader and Luke because of the force, but then not allowing what amounts to superhero's and villains, so I would offer that Star Wars be taken away instead of going larry's way. The fictional character draft has been done to allow those kind of alien and non human picks. I was thinking it would be fun to actually have to draft "real" characters to fit the roles. I'm thinking more Angela Lansbury in Murder She Wrote for novelists type thing. Not the mutant alien insect thing from Final Fantasy as the evil bad guy. Anyone can do that.

Why not have categories like: Hero-Novel, Hero-Movie, Hero-Cartoon, Lawyer-TV, Private Eye-Movie, Private Eye-TV etc. Then the first medium where a character appeared would be where he was slotted. Capt. Kirk could be a TV hero, but not a Movie or novel hero because he was in TV first. Batman would be a cartoon hero becuase he appeared in comics before movies or TV, but Indiana Jones would be movie, because that was first.ETA: I'd also ban Biblical characters because then you get into the whole debate of if they were "real" or not.

If I end up running this thing, it will be limited to realistic people. Hulk wouldn't be allowed, Batman would (he doesn't have superpowers). Darth Vader wouldn't be allowed, but Han Solo would be. CPT Kirk is fine, probably not Spock. I'd probably use real categories, but not an exact replica of the GAD or WGD. MilitaryLawyerExplorerScientistCrime-fighterVillain"Every Man"HeroHeroineaction heroSidekick MaleSidekick FemalePrehistoric FigureFuture Figure (but remember, must be realistic)That's 14, probably add a couple more categories and WC to make 20. If enough people want to divide into movies/TV/Books, we can.Basically, people that could, under our rules of science, exist in this world but did not. Any person who is unclear, just PM me and I'll make the decision. If I make a decision that more than 3 people complain about, I'll reconsider. I'm actually fairly excited about it and may kick off the sign-up thread tonight.

under your rules Star Wars and Star Trek characters are not drafteable...

 

[larry_boy_44]

judge judging is coming...

computer died... fixing it... and internet use at work is supposed to be as close to nothing as possible... lol

 

[Ozymandias]

judge judging is coming...computer died... fixing it... and internet use at work is supposed to be as close to nothing as possible... lol

Dog ate your homework?

 

[flysack]

Flysack, I meant to ask you this awhile ago, but forgot. Where would you have ranked GGM?

Also, UH, where would you have ranked Prince?

GGM?

Marquez, I assume.

Correct. As the resident literary expert, Flysack, I thought it would be obvious to you.

I think you have me mistaken. I'm clearly one of the villains in this picture. (not sure - I love his work, but I'd say at least 10-15, mostly because 15-20 was gawd awful. I'd want to slot him somewhere between 6 and 10, but it'd be difficult)

 

[Ozymandias]

How did the first playoff end up?