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World's Greatest Draft (2 Viewers)

BobbyLayne, please watch the spotlighting.

Locke is another great pick. This is yet another category I would not want to judge. I do not envy Shining Path. And what's fascinating to me is that the intellectual I personally rank #1 (though I know this is subjective) has yet to be taken...
:popcorn: we seriously need to watch the spotlighting. Copying wikipedia without editting won't work for most of these picks. I actually recomend a :excited: for spotlighting. Not sure what it should be, but it's annoying. (nothing personal Bobby, there's been spotlighting elsewhere, some of which hasn't been brought up)
Sorry everyone.It was tough trying to get it in while busy at work (and I think I went a few minutes past my clock deadline). I actually avoided Wiki because of spotlighting, but missed a few references in the one I did chose to copy/paste.

Nevertheless, it felt quite good to Polk Yankee23Fan.

:unsure:

 
Curious about something, and perhaps my friend Yankee (or someone else up on American history) can answer:

I admit I get Locke and Adam Smith confused. I know that both men were influential to our Founding Fathers. Were they equally influential? If not, which one was more so? And how do they differ?

 
Curious about something, and perhaps my friend Yankee (or someone else up on American history) can answer:I admit I get Locke and Adam Smith confused. I know that both men were influential to our Founding Fathers. Were they equally influential? If not, which one was more so? And how do they differ?
Locke was more influential. His focus was more on human nature applied to government. Adam Smith was more focused on human nature applied to economics.
 
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Curious about something, and perhaps my friend Yankee (or someone else up on American history) can answer:I admit I get Locke and Adam Smith confused. I know that both men were influential to our Founding Fathers. Were they equally influential? If not, which one was more so? And how do they differ?
Locke was more influential. His focus was more on the structure and the moral workings of government. Adam Smith was more focused on economics.
:hot:
 
3.19 Mister CIA - On The Clock Until 1:13 p.m. EST

3.20 Abrantes - On Deck

4.01 Abrantes - In the Hole

4.02 Mister CIA

4.03 Bobbylayne

4.04 Herbert The Hippo

4.05 Andy Dufresne

4.06 thatguy

4.07 Usual21

4.08 John Madden's Lunchbox

4.09 higgins

4.10 Big Rocks

4.11 Mad Sweeney

4.12 Doug B

4.13 DC Thunder

4.14 Thorn

 
Curious about something, and perhaps my friend Yankee (or someone else up on American history) can answer:I admit I get Locke and Adam Smith confused. I know that both men were influential to our Founding Fathers. Were they equally influential? If not, which one was more so? And how do they differ?
Locke was more influential. His focus was more on human nature applied to government. Adam Smith was more focused on human nature applied to economics.
I think that's about right. Jefferson wanted a nation of farmers, and didn't think much of trade. Adam Smith wanted free markets, and free trade.
 
Curious about something, and perhaps my friend Yankee (or someone else up on American history) can answer:I admit I get Locke and Adam Smith confused. I know that both men were influential to our Founding Fathers. Were they equally influential? If not, which one was more so? And how do they differ?
Locke was more influential. His focus was more on human nature applied to government. Adam Smith was more focused on human nature applied to economics.
yup. Government = Locke; Business = Smith. Both were highly influenza.
 
Curious about something, and perhaps my friend Yankee (or someone else up on American history) can answer:I admit I get Locke and Adam Smith confused. I know that both men were influential to our Founding Fathers. Were they equally influential? If not, which one was more so? And how do they differ?
Locke was more influential. His focus was more on the structure and the moral workings of government. Adam Smith was more focused on economics.
:thumbup:
What?
 
Curious about something, and perhaps my friend Yankee (or someone else up on American history) can answer:I admit I get Locke and Adam Smith confused. I know that both men were influential to our Founding Fathers. Were they equally influential? If not, which one was more so? And how do they differ?
Locke was more influential. His focus was more on human nature applied to government. Adam Smith was more focused on human nature applied to economics.
yup. Government = Locke; Business = Smith. Both were highly influenza.
Get a grippe.
 
Curious about something, and perhaps my friend Yankee (or someone else up on American history) can answer:

I admit I get Locke and Adam Smith confused. I know that both men were influential to our Founding Fathers. Were they equally influential? If not, which one was more so? And how do they differ?
Locke was more influential. His focus was more on human nature applied to government. Adam Smith was more focused on human nature applied to economics.
I think that's about right. Jefferson wanted a nation of farmers, and didn't think much of trade. Adam Smith wanted free markets, and free trade.
While that is probably true, Yankee23Fan has the icon.This will happen often: the judge may rate Locke higher, but when it comes to voting, the general populace will recognize Adam Smith first.

 
Curious about something, and perhaps my friend Yankee (or someone else up on American history) can answer:

I admit I get Locke and Adam Smith confused. I know that both men were influential to our Founding Fathers. Were they equally influential? If not, which one was more so? And how do they differ?
Locke was more influential. His focus was more on human nature applied to government. Adam Smith was more focused on human nature applied to economics.
I think that's about right. Jefferson wanted a nation of farmers, and didn't think much of trade. Adam Smith wanted free markets, and free trade.
While that is probably true, Yankee23Fan has the icon.This will happen often: the judge may rate Locke higher, but when it comes to voting, the general populace will recognize Adam Smith first.
That's true, but that's not what I was saying/answering. I was just saying that Locke was more influential to our founding fathers. Smith is more "famous" to the masses.
 
Andy Dufresne said:
Yankee23Fan said:
BobbyLayne said:
3.18 (58th pick) - John Locke - Intellectual
Mother ******!
:goodposting: :hot: Never thought he'd go this soon.
He was my fallback pick at 3.03 if Martin Luther had been taken. The two most important factors in the development of the world in the 20th century were the liberalization of governments and opening of free markets. Smith and Locke should both be right at the top of the list of intellectuals.
 
Mister CIA timed out, so I can get this one off my chest:

3.20 "Pelé", Edson Arantes do Nascimento Athlete

As the picks flew by and drafters questioned themselves about what #1 picks were still available, I knew I could still count on this man. Some may present arguments favoring other athletes, but to me this is the clearest #1 pick in the draft. No one has meant as much to his individual sport or the sporting world in general as this globally recognized icon. Some of the stories surrounding the man are truly surreal, and he truly had an otherworldly aura in his prime, seemingly a deity playing among mere mortals. I can think of one or two athletes in other sports who achieved similar success, but none received this same level of worldwide recognition and adoration. A central figure in the popularization of the sport around the world.

Edison (Edson) Arantes do Nascimento,[6] KBE (born 23 October 1940), best known by his nickname Pelé (Brazilian Portuguese pronunciation /pɛˈlɛ/, in English usually /'pɛleɪ/) is a Brazilian former football player, rated by many as the greatest footballer of all time.[7] He was given the title of Athlete of the Century by the International Olympic Committee.[8] While his birth certificate shows his first name as Edison (after Thomas Edison), he prefers to call himself Edson, but it is as Pelé that he has become a sporting legend.

In his native Brazil, Pelé is hailed as a national hero. He is known for his accomplishments and contributions to the game of football[9] in addition to being officially declared the football ambassador of the world by FIFA and a national treasure by the Brazilian government. He is also acknowledged for his vocal support of policies to improve the social conditions of the poor (when he scored his 1,000th goal he dedicated it to the poor children of Brazil).[10] During his career, he became known as "The King of Football" (O Rei do Futebol), "The King Pelé" (O Rei Pelé) or simply "The King" (O Rei). He is also a member of the American National Soccer Hall of Fame.

Spotted by football star Waldemar de Brito,[11] Pelé began playing for Santos Futebol Clube at 15 and his national team at 16, and won his first World Cup at 17. Despite numerous offers from European clubs, the economic conditions and Brazilian Football regulations at that time benefited Santos FC, thus enabling them to keep Pelé for almost two decades until 1974. Pelé played as an inside forward, striker, and what later became known as the playmaker position. Pelé's technique and natural athleticism have been universally praised; he was renowned for his excellent dribbling and passing, his pace, powerful shot, exceptional heading ability, and prolific goalscoring.

He is the all-time top scorer of the Brazil national football team and is the only footballer to be a part of three World Cup-winning teams. In 1962 he was part of the Brazilian squad but due to an injury suffered in the second match did not play the remainder of the tournament. In November 2007 FIFA announced that he would be awarded the 1962 medal retroactively, making him the only player in the world to have three World Cup winning medals.
The pauper who became king

by Adriano G. Teixeira

"I write this today to dismiss a famous saying which goes: "Nobody's perfect." I know someone who's perfect. As a matter of fact, the whole world knows him, and perhaps even a few extraterrestrial beings do as well. It's easy to identify and prove a human being's perfection by carefully observing a few quotes, such as the following. A headline from the Sunday Times, a London newspaper: "How do you spell Pelé? G-O-D." How about the quote attributed to Jimmy Carter, president of the USA, on being introduced to the aforementioned figure of perfection? "Nice to meet you, I'm Jimmy Carter. You need no introductions."

Numbers are more representative, but the quotes that surround the name of the player elected Athlete of The Century in nine different surveys provide an air of royalty and renown never before granted to anyone. What Brazilian citizen doesn't swell with pride upon reading quotes such as these? "I thought to myself: he's flesh and blood, just like everyone else. I was wrong." (Tarcísio Burgnich, Italian defender in the 1970 World Cup) There's more: "The greatest soccer player in the world was Di Stefano. I refuse to classify Pelé as a player. He's above everything else." (Puskas, Hungarian star who dominated the soccer world in the early '50s) That's not perfection enough? Have you heard of the "Dutch Carousel" from the '74 World Cup? Well, its commander, the notable Johan Cruyff, fired off the following quote, to the surprise of the proud Dutch: "Pelé is the only one that goes beyond the boundaries of logic." Maybe one of the most iconic quotes regarding Negrão, as Pelé was also called, is the one from Sigge Parling, the Swedish defender assigned to cover Pelé in the '58 World Cup final: "After the fifth goal, all I wanted to do was applaud him."

Some stats are inevitable. As such, how do you classify an athlete that led all scorers in the São Paulo Championship 11 times- 8 of them in a row? A scorer is at the top of the world when he hits the mark of 500 career goals. The King hit this mark at 22 years of age.

Certainly, there's room for doubt concerning the veracity of some stories circulated about Pelé, for they're true evidence of the perfection of this athlete, who in 1970, caused Mexico's commerce to suddenly shut down in the middle of a work day. The signs on the doors read: "Won't be openingtoday - we're off to see the King." For those of you who like this sort of story, two or three others belong in this informal chat.

1) "In Rome, the greatest player in the world, Pelé, and a fan." That was The Observer's headline in March of 1966. Next to the headline, a picture of Pelé next to Pope Paul VI. The picture had been taken during the King's meeting with the Pope in the Vatican library, a place reserved for meeting with statesmen. During the meeting, the Pope related intimate knowledge of soccer and Pelé's life. In turn, the King revealed his religious side, admitting to Paul VI that in his childhood, he'd been an altar boy at the Santa Terezinha Church in Bauru.

2) The year is 1969. Who else but Pelé could interrupt and halt a civil war in Africa, between the Kinshasa and Brazzavilla forces in the former Belgian Congo. Santos had agreed to play a game in Brazzaville, months before the conflict broke out. Before their arrival, the Santos delegation travels through Kinshasa, escorted by local soldiers who transfer them to the enemy forces in the river crossing that separates the two regions. The day after the game, the team returns to Kinshasa, and are formally warned that they can only leave after they play another game, on their side. Santos plays, Pelé bathes in the fans' adoration, and the team makes their way back home. Only then does the war resume.

3) In the El Campin Stadium in Colombia, Santos and the Millonarios face off on the field. This match is the main attraction in today's schedule, but the referee nearly spoils the event. The ref dismisses one of Pelé's goals as invalid. The King is spitting mad, and complains until the ref ejects him from the game. Livid, the packed crowd in the stadium threatens to tear down the fence that separates them, and begins hurling objects onto the field and setting fire to the stands. Fearing a tragedy, the police gently removes the ref, forces him to exit stage right, promotes one of the sideline judges to take his place and brings Pelé back to the game, who ends up scoring three more goals. Final score: Santos 5 x 1 Millonarios.

What about the magical moment of his thousandth goal? I believe the soccer gods planned out this penalty shot, so that the hundreds of cameras circling the world's biggest stage could perfectly focus on that once-in-a-lifetime moment. For an instant on the night of November 19, 1969, the ball was a mere supporting player for a man who, with his feet, left not only a record in sporting history, but the certainty that we were looking at the greatest athlete of the century."
 
Andy Dufresne said:
Yankee23Fan said:
BobbyLayne said:
3.18 (58th pick) - John Locke - Intellectual
Mother ******!
:help: :hot: Never thought he'd go this soon.
He was my fallback pick at 3.03 if Martin Luther had been taken. The two most important factors in the development of the world in the 20th century were the liberalization of governments and opening of free markets. Smith and Locke should both be right at the top of the list of intellectuals.
:shrug: We'll have to see how it plays out, but I believe this statement will end up being true. Right now the other Intellectuals are Franklin (polymath who is hard to categorize) and Machiavelli; we'll see if Marxx stays in the Philosopher category.

There will be other picks that are going to make this category hard to judge. If you believe we have evolved to the highest form of governance and economic system, then I think the rankings will become clear.

 
Mister CIA timed out, so I can get this one off my chest:

3.20 "Pelé", Edson Arantes do Nascimento Athlete

As the picks flew by and drafters questioned themselves about what #1 picks were still available, I knew I could still count on this man. Some may present arguments favoring other athletes, but to me this is the clearest #1 pick in the draft. No one has meant as much to his individual sport or the sporting world in general as this globally recognized icon. Some of the stories surrounding the man are truly surreal, and he truly had an otherworldly aura in his prime, seemingly a deity playing among mere mortals. I can think of one or two athletes in other sports who achieved similar success, but none received this same level of worldwide recognition and adoration. A central figure in the popularization of the sport around the world.

Edison (Edson) Arantes do Nascimento,[6] KBE (born 23 October 1940), best known by his nickname Pelé (Brazilian Portuguese pronunciation /pɛˈlɛ/, in English usually /'pɛleɪ/) is a Brazilian former football player, rated by many as the greatest footballer of all time.[7] He was given the title of Athlete of the Century by the International Olympic Committee.[8] While his birth certificate shows his first name as Edison (after Thomas Edison), he prefers to call himself Edson, but it is as Pelé that he has become a sporting legend.

In his native Brazil, Pelé is hailed as a national hero. He is known for his accomplishments and contributions to the game of football[9] in addition to being officially declared the football ambassador of the world by FIFA and a national treasure by the Brazilian government. He is also acknowledged for his vocal support of policies to improve the social conditions of the poor (when he scored his 1,000th goal he dedicated it to the poor children of Brazil).[10] During his career, he became known as "The King of Football" (O Rei do Futebol), "The King Pelé" (O Rei Pelé) or simply "The King" (O Rei). He is also a member of the American National Soccer Hall of Fame.

Spotted by football star Waldemar de Brito,[11] Pelé began playing for Santos Futebol Clube at 15 and his national team at 16, and won his first World Cup at 17. Despite numerous offers from European clubs, the economic conditions and Brazilian Football regulations at that time benefited Santos FC, thus enabling them to keep Pelé for almost two decades until 1974. Pelé played as an inside forward, striker, and what later became known as the playmaker position. Pelé's technique and natural athleticism have been universally praised; he was renowned for his excellent dribbling and passing, his pace, powerful shot, exceptional heading ability, and prolific goalscoring.

He is the all-time top scorer of the Brazil national football team and is the only footballer to be a part of three World Cup-winning teams. In 1962 he was part of the Brazilian squad but due to an injury suffered in the second match did not play the remainder of the tournament. In November 2007 FIFA announced that he would be awarded the 1962 medal retroactively, making him the only player in the world to have three World Cup winning medals.
The pauper who became king

by Adriano G. Teixeira

"I write this today to dismiss a famous saying which goes: "Nobody's perfect." I know someone who's perfect. As a matter of fact, the whole world knows him, and perhaps even a few extraterrestrial beings do as well. It's easy to identify and prove a human being's perfection by carefully observing a few quotes, such as the following. A headline from the Sunday Times, a London newspaper: "How do you spell Pelé? G-O-D." How about the quote attributed to Jimmy Carter, president of the USA, on being introduced to the aforementioned figure of perfection? "Nice to meet you, I'm Jimmy Carter. You need no introductions."

Numbers are more representative, but the quotes that surround the name of the player elected Athlete of The Century in nine different surveys provide an air of royalty and renown never before granted to anyone. What Brazilian citizen doesn't swell with pride upon reading quotes such as these? "I thought to myself: he's flesh and blood, just like everyone else. I was wrong." (Tarcísio Burgnich, Italian defender in the 1970 World Cup) There's more: "The greatest soccer player in the world was Di Stefano. I refuse to classify Pelé as a player. He's above everything else." (Puskas, Hungarian star who dominated the soccer world in the early '50s) That's not perfection enough? Have you heard of the "Dutch Carousel" from the '74 World Cup? Well, its commander, the notable Johan Cruyff, fired off the following quote, to the surprise of the proud Dutch: "Pelé is the only one that goes beyond the boundaries of logic." Maybe one of the most iconic quotes regarding Negrão, as Pelé was also called, is the one from Sigge Parling, the Swedish defender assigned to cover Pelé in the '58 World Cup final: "After the fifth goal, all I wanted to do was applaud him."

Some stats are inevitable. As such, how do you classify an athlete that led all scorers in the São Paulo Championship 11 times- 8 of them in a row? A scorer is at the top of the world when he hits the mark of 500 career goals. The King hit this mark at 22 years of age.

Certainly, there's room for doubt concerning the veracity of some stories circulated about Pelé, for they're true evidence of the perfection of this athlete, who in 1970, caused Mexico's commerce to suddenly shut down in the middle of a work day. The signs on the doors read: "Won't be openingtoday - we're off to see the King." For those of you who like this sort of story, two or three others belong in this informal chat.

1) "In Rome, the greatest player in the world, Pelé, and a fan." That was The Observer's headline in March of 1966. Next to the headline, a picture of Pelé next to Pope Paul VI. The picture had been taken during the King's meeting with the Pope in the Vatican library, a place reserved for meeting with statesmen. During the meeting, the Pope related intimate knowledge of soccer and Pelé's life. In turn, the King revealed his religious side, admitting to Paul VI that in his childhood, he'd been an altar boy at the Santa Terezinha Church in Bauru.

2) The year is 1969. Who else but Pelé could interrupt and halt a civil war in Africa, between the Kinshasa and Brazzavilla forces in the former Belgian Congo. Santos had agreed to play a game in Brazzaville, months before the conflict broke out. Before their arrival, the Santos delegation travels through Kinshasa, escorted by local soldiers who transfer them to the enemy forces in the river crossing that separates the two regions. The day after the game, the team returns to Kinshasa, and are formally warned that they can only leave after they play another game, on their side. Santos plays, Pelé bathes in the fans' adoration, and the team makes their way back home. Only then does the war resume.

3) In the El Campin Stadium in Colombia, Santos and the Millonarios face off on the field. This match is the main attraction in today's schedule, but the referee nearly spoils the event. The ref dismisses one of Pelé's goals as invalid. The King is spitting mad, and complains until the ref ejects him from the game. Livid, the packed crowd in the stadium threatens to tear down the fence that separates them, and begins hurling objects onto the field and setting fire to the stands. Fearing a tragedy, the police gently removes the ref, forces him to exit stage right, promotes one of the sideline judges to take his place and brings Pelé back to the game, who ends up scoring three more goals. Final score: Santos 5 x 1 Millonarios.

What about the magical moment of his thousandth goal? I believe the soccer gods planned out this penalty shot, so that the hundreds of cameras circling the world's biggest stage could perfectly focus on that once-in-a-lifetime moment. For an instant on the night of November 19, 1969, the ball was a mere supporting player for a man who, with his feet, left not only a record in sporting history, but the certainty that we were looking at the greatest athlete of the century."
The greatest player ever in the most popular and most widely played sport in the world. I know some might favor a more modern player, but I saw every one of his games (on TV) in the 1970 World Cup. Although his skills were already on the decline, he shone on what virtually everyone considers the greatest team of all time--Brazil's 1970 World Cup winning team. And to top it all off, he was and is a great human being. Great pick.
 
4.01 T.S. Eliot (Poet/Playwright)

Early in the fourth round, there's still an incredible wealth of great figures to pick from. Several of them won't make it back to me, so I decided to just go with the one that would pain me the most to lose. A truly unique poet and person. I'll be back to add some more thoughts on him later.

Thomas Stearns Eliot, OM (26 September 1888 – 4 January 1965), was a poet, dramatist, and literary critic. He received the Nobel Prize in Literature in 1948. Among his most famous writings are the poems The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock, The Waste Land, The Hollow Men, Ash Wednesday and Four Quartets; the plays Murder in the Cathedral and The Cocktail Party; and the essay "Tradition and the Individual Talent".

Eliot was born in the United States, moved to the United Kingdom in 1914 (at age 25), and became a British subject in 1927 at the age of 39. Of his nationality and its role in his work, Eliot said: "[My poetry] wouldn’t be what it is if I’d been born in England, and it wouldn’t be what it is if I’d stayed in America. It’s a combination of things. But in its sources, in its emotional springs, it comes from America."[4]
Let us go then, you and I,When the evening is spread out against the sky

Like a patient etherized upon a table;

Let us go, through certain half-deserted streets,

The muttering retreats

Of restless nights in one-night cheap hotels

And sawdust restaurants with oyster-shells:

Streets that follow like a tedious argument

Of insidious intent

To lead you to an overwhelming question . . .

Oh, do not ask, "What is it?"

Let us go and make our visit...

_____________________________________

Leader

Military

Scientist

Inventor

Discoverer/Explorer

Humanitarian/Saint/Martyr

Novelist/short story

Playwright/Poet T.S. Eliot

Villain

Athlete Pelé

Composer

Muscian/ Performer

Painter

Artist/ Non Painter

Philosopher Confucius

Religious Figure

Celebrity

Intellectual

Rebel Mohandas Gandhi

Wildcard

Wildcard

Wildcard

 
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Mister CIA timed out, so I can get this one off my chest:

3.20 "Pelé", Edson Arantes do Nascimento Athlete
The greatest player ever in the most popular and most widely played sport in the world. I know some might favor a more modern player, but I saw every one of his games (on TV) in the 1970 World Cup. Although his skills were already on the decline, he shone on what virtually everyone considers the greatest team of all time--Brazil's 1970 World Cup winning team. And to top it all off, he was and is a great human being. Great pick.
Tough category for differentiation, but this is the first one I thought of for the world game. Great job!
 
4.01 T.S. Eliot (Poet/Playwright)

Early in the fourth round, there's still an incredible wealth of great figures to pick from. Several of them won't make it back to me, so I decided to just go with the one that would pain me the most to lose. A truly unique poet and person. I'll be back to add some more thoughts on him later.

Thomas Stearns Eliot, OM (26 September 1888 – 4 January 1965), was a poet, dramatist, and literary critic. He received the Nobel Prize in Literature in 1948. Among his most famous writings are the poems The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock, The Waste Land, The Hollow Men, Ash Wednesday and Four Quartets; the plays Murder in the Cathedral and The Cocktail Party; and the essay "Tradition and the Individual Talent".

Eliot was born in the United States, moved to the United Kingdom in 1914 (at age 25), and became a British subject in 1927 at the age of 39. Of his nationality and its role in his work, Eliot said: "[My poetry] wouldn’t be what it is if I’d been born in England, and it wouldn’t be what it is if I’d stayed in America. It’s a combination of things. But in its sources, in its emotional springs, it comes from America."[4]
Let us go then, you and I,When the evening is spread out against the sky

Like a patient etherized upon a table;

Let us go, through certain half-deserted streets,

The muttering retreats

Of restless nights in one-night cheap hotels

And sawdust restaurants with oyster-shells:

Streets that follow like a tedious argument

Of insidious intent

To lead you to an overwhelming question . . .

Oh, do not ask, "What is it?"

Let us go and make our visit...

"We shall not cease from exploration, and the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time."Good pick. Not sure if I would have taken him quite that highly, because we are talking about World Literature.

And at least he won the Nobel Prize for Literature, which the abominable James Joyce did not.

 
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"We shall not cease from exploration, and the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time."Good pick. Not sure if I would have taken him quite that highly, because we are talking about World Literature.
Yeah, I'm keeping that in mind, but he compares very favorably to anyone else in the category, for my money. I did consider a more prominent playwright rather than a poet, but it was a toss-up, really.
 
Posting while driving .... Woohoo! No write up for now.3.18 Cleopatra.
I'm curious to see which category she ends up in. I had her on my Celebrity list.ETA: might end up being best as a Wildcard though, can't be anything but a 10 there I would guess.
 
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2:26 p.m. EST will be one hour since Abrantes took T.S. Eliot.

Mister CIA posted his 3.19 at 1:29 (3 minutes later), and he hasn't had a chance to respond to my post above.

Should I wait or post my 4.03?

 
Well I was going to go Locke and then Moses so I guess it doesnt matter if I am skipped now. Was trageting Pele but I would not have taken him this early. Great pick though

 
2:26 p.m. EST will be one hour since Abrantes took T.S. Eliot.Mister CIA posted his 3.19 at 1:29 (3 minutes later), and he hasn't had a chance to respond to my post above.Should I wait or post my 4.03?
I think the fact that he picked resets his clock for an hour.
I don't think so. Since he picked when it was officially BL's turn, since he was already on skip, I think BL can go ahead.
 
BobbyLayne said:
FUBAR said:
timschochet said:
BobbyLayne, please watch the spotlighting.

Locke is another great pick. This is yet another category I would not want to judge. I do not envy Shining Path. And what's fascinating to me is that the intellectual I personally rank #1 (though I know this is subjective) has yet to be taken...
:thumbup: we seriously need to watch the spotlighting. Copying wikipedia without editting won't work for most of these picks. I actually recomend a :excited: for spotlighting. Not sure what it should be, but it's annoying. (nothing personal Bobby, there's been spotlighting elsewhere, some of which hasn't been brought up)
Sorry everyone.It was tough trying to get it in while busy at work (and I think I went a few minutes past my clock deadline). I actually avoided Wiki because of spotlighting, but missed a few references in the one I did chose to copy/paste.

Nevertheless, it felt quite good to Polk Yankee23Fan.

:lmao:
:goodposting:
 
Mr. CIA, I put Cleopatra in leader and Lao Tzu in philosopher, until you tell you me different. Both are interesting picks, and TS Eliot is a good pick, too: I wouldn't know where to rank any of the three.

Pele. though, was the first person I thought of in the athlete category, and I myself rank him #1.

 
Mr. CIA, I put Cleopatra in leader and Lao Tzu in philosopher, until you tell you me different. Both are interesting picks, and TS Eliot is a good pick, too: I wouldn't know where to rank any of the three.Pele. though, was the first person I thought of in the athlete category, and I myself rank him #1.
So is this where we make fun of the 3 billion people in the world that love soccer? Or do we have to worry about being shot while typing?
 
Mr. CIA, I put Cleopatra in leader and Lao Tzu in philosopher, until you tell you me different. Both are interesting picks, and TS Eliot is a good pick, too: I wouldn't know where to rank any of the three.Pele. though, was the first person I thought of in the athlete category, and I myself rank him #1.
So is this where we make fun of the 3 billion people in the world that love soccer? Or do we have to worry about being shot while typing?
That's soccer? All this time I was calling it human foosball. :thumbdown:
 
Mr. CIA, I put Cleopatra in leader and Lao Tzu in philosopher, until you tell you me different. Both are interesting picks, and TS Eliot is a good pick, too: I wouldn't know where to rank any of the three.Pele. though, was the first person I thought of in the athlete category, and I myself rank him #1.
So is this where we make fun of the 3 billion people in the world that love soccer? Or do we have to worry about being shot while typing?
No, this is a world draft. The only pick we need to make fun of is James Joyce.
 
Might be a little high for Elliot, but since he's someone you really wanted I respect the pick. That's how it was with Tolstoy for me - I likely could have had hm later, but I didn't want to chance losing him.

 
Love Cleo not sure about leader but who know's. It's a case of I know she belongs on this list somewhere and is an amazing pick possibly top 3 in a category just don't know what that cat is.

 
Andy Dufresne said:
The Real Hipster Doofus said:
Andy Dufresne said:
timschochet said:
Curious about something, and perhaps my friend Yankee (or someone else up on American history) can answer:I admit I get Locke and Adam Smith confused. I know that both men were influential to our Founding Fathers. Were they equally influential? If not, which one was more so? And how do they differ?
Locke was more influential. His focus was more on the structure and the moral workings of government. Adam Smith was more focused on economics.
:goodposting:
What?
Just joking. I'm an economics major so you know....
 
4.03 (63rd pick) - Hannibal - Military

(248-183 or 182 BC) was a Carthaginian military commander and tactician who is popularly credited as one of the most talented commanders in history.

His father was the leading Carthaginian commander during the First Punic War. Hannibal lived during a period of tension in the Mediterranean, when Rome (then the Roman Republic) established its supremacy over other great powers such as Carthage, and the Hellenistic kingdoms of Macedon, Syracuse, and the Seleucid empire. One of his most famous achievements was at the outbreak of the Second Punic War, when he marched an army, which included war elephants, from Iberia over the Pyrenees and the Alps into northern Italy.

His first few years in Italy, he won three dramatic victories at the Battle of Trebia, the Battle of Lake Trasimene and the Battle of Cannae, and won over several Roman allies. The victory at Cannae has often been cited as one of the most perfect battles ever fought, as the army of Carthage decisively defeated a numerically superior army of the Roman Republic. Regarded to this day as one of the greatest tactical feats in military history, it was, in terms of the numbers killed, the second greatest defeat of Rome. After 17 years, a Roman counter-invasion of North Africa forced him to return to Carthage, where he was decisively defeated at the Battle of Zama.

After the war Hannibal successfully ran for the office of suffete. He enacted political and financial reforms to enable the payment of the war indemnity imposed by Rome. However, Hannibal's reforms were unpopular with members of the Carthaginian aristocracy and Rome, and he fled into voluntary exile. During his exile, he lived at the Seleucid court, where he acted as military advisor in a war against Rome. Hannibal fled after the war, making a stop in Armenia. His flight ended in the court of Bithynia, where he achieved an outstanding naval victory against a fleet from Pergamum. He was afterward betrayed to the Romans.

Hannibal would later be considered as one of the greatest generals of antiquity, together with Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar, and others. Military historians call Hannibal the "father of strategy", because his greatest enemy, Rome, came to adopt elements of his military tactics in its own strategic arsenal. This praise has earned him a strong reputation in the modern world and he was regarded as a "gifted strategist" by other great generals. His life has been the basis for a number of films and documentaries.

He has been attributed with the famous quotation,

"We will either find a way, or make one."

Hannibal crossing the Alps

You want some of that? Bring it on! Give him equal armament, I would put this general up against any military strategist from any period.

Nufced.

 
4.03 (63rd pick) - Hannibal - Military

(248-183 or 182 BC) was a Carthaginian military commander and tactician who is popularly credited as one of the most talented commanders in history.

His father was the leading Carthaginian commander during the First Punic War. Hannibal lived during a period of tension in the Mediterranean, when Rome (then the Roman Republic) established its supremacy over other great powers such as Carthage, and the Hellenistic kingdoms of Macedon, Syracuse, and the Seleucid empire. One of his most famous achievements was at the outbreak of the Second Punic War, when he marched an army, which included war elephants, from Iberia over the Pyrenees and the Alps into northern Italy.

His first few years in Italy, he won three dramatic victories at the Battle of Trebia, the Battle of Lake Trasimene and the Battle of Cannae, and won over several Roman allies. The victory at Cannae has often been cited as one of the most perfect battles ever fought, as the army of Carthage decisively defeated a numerically superior army of the Roman Republic. Regarded to this day as one of the greatest tactical feats in military history, it was, in terms of the numbers killed, the second greatest defeat of Rome. After 17 years, a Roman counter-invasion of North Africa forced him to return to Carthage, where he was decisively defeated at the Battle of Zama.

After the war Hannibal successfully ran for the office of suffete. He enacted political and financial reforms to enable the payment of the war indemnity imposed by Rome. However, Hannibal's reforms were unpopular with members of the Carthaginian aristocracy and Rome, and he fled into voluntary exile. During his exile, he lived at the Seleucid court, where he acted as military advisor in a war against Rome. Hannibal fled after the war, making a stop in Armenia. His flight ended in the court of Bithynia, where he achieved an outstanding naval victory against a fleet from Pergamum. He was afterward betrayed to the Romans.

Hannibal would later be considered as one of the greatest generals of antiquity, together with Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar, and others. Military historians call Hannibal the "father of strategy", because his greatest enemy, Rome, came to adopt elements of his military tactics in its own strategic arsenal. This praise has earned him a strong reputation in the modern world and he was regarded as a "gifted strategist" by other great generals. His life has been the basis for a number of films and documentaries.

He has been attributed with the famous quotation,

"We will either find a way, or make one."

Hannibal crossing the Alps

You want some of that? Bring it on! Give him equal armament, I would put this general up against any military strategist from any period.

Nufced.
STEAL IMHO nice nice pick.
 
I've come to the conclusion that 20 teams in this thing is just too fracking many. It's not that I don't like the discussion in between picks, mind you. That's fun. No, it's waiting like 30 picks to make a move and see player after player come off the board just because tim wanted to be the guy that hosted the longest and most historically entertaining draft on the board. I mean, how' that for ego? He looks like a draft host legend of the :nerd: group amongst us, and those of us trying to draft see pick after pick coming off the board, forcing to say :goodposting: like we are some dumb Wheel of Fortune contestant clapping for the other guy to win all the money and say Gimmie an F real loud to Vanna White.

Yeah, that's what I want to do - clap for the other guy. No, tim, you are an evil Pat Sajack. Spin!

:wall:

 
4.03 (63rd pick) - Hannibal - Military

(248-183 or 182 BC) was a Carthaginian military commander and tactician who is popularly credited as one of the most talented commanders in history.

His father was the leading Carthaginian commander during the First Punic War. Hannibal lived during a period of tension in the Mediterranean, when Rome (then the Roman Republic) established its supremacy over other great powers such as Carthage, and the Hellenistic kingdoms of Macedon, Syracuse, and the Seleucid empire. One of his most famous achievements was at the outbreak of the Second Punic War, when he marched an army, which included war elephants, from Iberia over the Pyrenees and the Alps into northern Italy.

His first few years in Italy, he won three dramatic victories at the Battle of Trebia, the Battle of Lake Trasimene and the Battle of Cannae, and won over several Roman allies. The victory at Cannae has often been cited as one of the most perfect battles ever fought, as the army of Carthage decisively defeated a numerically superior army of the Roman Republic. Regarded to this day as one of the greatest tactical feats in military history, it was, in terms of the numbers killed, the second greatest defeat of Rome. After 17 years, a Roman counter-invasion of North Africa forced him to return to Carthage, where he was decisively defeated at the Battle of Zama.

After the war Hannibal successfully ran for the office of suffete. He enacted political and financial reforms to enable the payment of the war indemnity imposed by Rome. However, Hannibal's reforms were unpopular with members of the Carthaginian aristocracy and Rome, and he fled into voluntary exile. During his exile, he lived at the Seleucid court, where he acted as military advisor in a war against Rome. Hannibal fled after the war, making a stop in Armenia. His flight ended in the court of Bithynia, where he achieved an outstanding naval victory against a fleet from Pergamum. He was afterward betrayed to the Romans.

Hannibal would later be considered as one of the greatest generals of antiquity, together with Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar, and others. Military historians call Hannibal the "father of strategy", because his greatest enemy, Rome, came to adopt elements of his military tactics in its own strategic arsenal. This praise has earned him a strong reputation in the modern world and he was regarded as a "gifted strategist" by other great generals. His life has been the basis for a number of films and documentaries.

He has been attributed with the famous quotation,

"We will either find a way, or make one."

Hannibal crossing the Alps

You want some of that? Bring it on! Give him equal armament, I would put this general up against any military strategist from any period.

Nufced.
Easy top 5 in the military category. Great pick.
 
I've come to the conclusion that 20 teams in this thing is just too fracking many. It's not that I don't like the discussion in between picks, mind you. That's fun. No, it's waiting like 30 picks to make a move and see player after player come off the board just because tim wanted to be the guy that hosted the longest and most historically entertaining draft on the board. I mean, how' that for ego? He looks like a draft host legend of the :nerd: group amongst us, and those of us trying to draft see pick after pick coming off the board, forcing to say :goodposting: like we are some dumb Wheel of Fortune contestant clapping for the other guy to win all the money and say Gimmie an F real loud to Vanna White.Yeah, that's what I want to do - clap for the other guy. No, tim, you are an evil Pat Sajack. Spin! :wall:
I think we'll start to separate the wheat from the chaff in a few rounds. Right now it is pretty frustrating watching people go.
 
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