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A short time ago, I had 3 explorers remaining on my list. My top 2 recently went off the board in Vasco de Gama and Roald Amundsen. The man I am about to select was the third name on my list, so naturally, I was a little disappointed. However, after doing some more research on this man, I am glad he is the one left standing, because it seems to me he deserves serious consideration for top 5 in the category.

This man was a Chinese eunuch who is said to have stood nearly 7 feet tall. He was the admiral of a massive fleets of some 200+ ships and 28,000 crewman on his 7 documented voyages. How far he actually traveled is not known due to the accounts of his final two voyages being destroyed by the Chinese regime. During this man's time as Admiral, China is said to have ruled the sea. Soon after his death, China more or less closed its ports and looked internally to solve its needs, forever altering history as we know it. In spite of this, the man I am selecting is largely responsible for spreading Islamic culture all over Southeast Asia.

It should also be noted that at least one man believes it was he, and not Columbus, who first encountered America, and that it was he, and not Magellan, who first circumnavigated the globe. For an interesting read, check out this link: http://www.usnews.com/usnews/culture/artic...223/23zheng.htm

Zheng He - Explorer



Zheng He (1371–1433), was a Hui Chinese mariner, explorer, diplomat and fleet admiral, who made the voyages collectively referred to as the travels of "Eunuch Sanbao to the Western Ocean" or "Zheng He to the Western Ocean", from 1405 to 1433.



Expeditions

Between 1405 and 1433, the Ming government sponsored a series of seven naval expeditions.
Great pick, thatguy. We were working off the same list apparently :lol: and I struggled with this one; in fact I told Ozy 2 or 3 days ago this is the one I thought I would take, but still wasn't sure. In the end I rejected it because he didn't discover any new routes, and the voyages had no lasting impact. Tell you what, thought - this is a guy more need to learn about.I want to add a couple a things I didn't see when I skimmed through (with apologies in advance if this is a :honda: ).

First off, his ships were 450 feet long with a beam (width) of 180 feet. To give a reference point, that's about the same length as modern day frigate - and three times as wide as a Missouri-class battleship. Holy frackin' sheet, eh? It is estimated the gross tonnage on one of these junks was 10 times that of the Santa Maria.

Marco Polo was very impressed with these vessels. They were superior to anything in the western world, with huge center line rudders that acted as keel drops, and bulkheads that could seal off leaking sections - the latter concept was not introduced into European ships for centuries.

The second thing I'd like to add is these Chinese exploratory voyages were in striking contrast to those of later generations of Europeans, for whom such expeditions led inevitable to conquest and empire. The Chinese fleet may have made a show of force, but in seven voyages Zheng He resorted only twice to military action, and once was against a pirate.

These were primarily diplomatic and commercial missions, their aim was to make friends and allies in the wider world. A few recalcitrant princes had to be replaced with more compliant figures along the way - but these actions are in stark conquest to the atrocities committed by the Portuguese along the Indian coasts in the early years of the following century.

The last thing - and I just thought this was a cool factoid - is Zheng He was a Chinese Muslim. On his voyage to Hormuz (at the mouth of the present day Persian Gulf), they took subsidiary voyages to Dhufar and Jeddah. At the latter port, Zheng He made a pilgrimage to Mecca.

Now that's pretty effing cool.

The death of the great Admiral known as the Three Jewel Eunuch brought an abrupt end to Chinese exploration. Confucian aloofness began again to dominate Chinese policy, which viewed the rest of the world with indifference. Foreign voyages were banned, and his great fleet rotted at their moorings.

How different would the world be if they went the other way? But for a curious twist of history, China, rather than Europe, might have become the great colonial power.

Awesome pick, good luck with it.

:excited:
Thanks BL. And thanks for adding those tidbits. :thumbup:
Well, after all, he WAS a eunuch.
 
Just got in, and I'm updating now. Higgins, no clock in the evening.

Of all the picks so far today, my favorite by far is Iyeyasu. As Ozy noted, the character of Toranaga from James Clavell's Sho-Gun is based on this guy. However, his category may be wrong. As a military leader he is certainly great; he never lost a battle. He is one of three great contemporaneous Japanese warriors who united Japan and were all genius military minds. It must be noted, however, that part of their success was the use of rifles supplied to them by Portuguese merchants who had discovered Japan: more often than not, an upgrade in technology is the key to martial success.

Where Iyeyasu outshines his two rivals, and also outshines many that have been taken in this category (IMO) is as leader. He created a Shogunate that lasted for over 250 years until foreign outsiders weakened the structure of Japanese government. Will Durant in Our Oriental Heritage calls Iyeyasu the most successful ruler in the history of civilization, based on the fact that (a) he did exactly what he wanted to do (b) the Japanese people prospered under his dictatorial rue.

 
For humanitarian, can we draft, "the best wingman we had in college?" He was different for all of us, but we all had one. That guy was a saint on many nights, making us look good. A humanitarian some nights when he had to liquor up the fat/ugly friend in the group so that we could get the target. And a down right martyr a night or two when he had to close the deal.

Here's to you, college wingman. The #1 saint/humanitarian/martyr.

 
For humanitarian, can we draft, "the best wingman we had in college?" He was different for all of us, but we all had one. That guy was a saint on many nights, making us look good. A humanitarian some nights when he had to liquor up the fat/ugly friend in the group so that we could get the target. And a down right martyr a night or two when he had to close the deal.Here's to you, college wingman. The #1 saint/humanitarian/martyr.
:kicksrock:"It's funny because it's true."- Homer Simpson
 
When we are talking about short stories, for the novelist/short story category, how short are we talking?

I only ask because Jack Handy is a steal in that category if length isn't an issue.

“I bet a fun thing would be to go way back in time to where there was going to be an eclipse and tell the cave men, "If I have come to destroy you, may the sun be blotted out from the sky." Just then the eclipse would start, and they'd probably try to kill you or something, but then you could explain about the rotation of the moon and all, and everyone would get a good laugh.”

Although, come to think of it, he's the #1 philosopher....

“I hope, when they die, cartoon characters have to answer for their sins.”

 
For humanitarian, can we draft, "the best wingman we had in college?" He was different for all of us, but we all had one. That guy was a saint on many nights, making us look good. A humanitarian some nights when he had to liquor up the fat/ugly friend in the group so that we could get the target. And a down right martyr a night or two when he had to close the deal.

Here's to you, college wingman. The #1 saint/humanitarian/martyr.
Lady in Car: What are you gonna name it? Alison: What?

Lady in Car: The baby.

Alison : [realizing she's faking being pregnant] Oh, the baby. Well, if it's a girl, Cynthia, and if it's a boy, Elliot.

Lady in Car: Those are lovely names.

Gib: Elliot? You're gonna name the kid Elliot? No, you can't name the kid Elliot. Elliot is a fat kid with glasses who eats paste. You're not gonna name the kid Elliot. You gotta give him a real name. Give him a name. Like Nick.

Alison: Nick?

Gib: Yeah, Nick. Nick's a real name. Nick's your buddy. Nick's the kind of guy you can trust, the kind of guy you can drink a beer with, the kind of guy who doesn't mind if you puke in his car, Nick!

[Alison looks disgusted]

 
For humanitarian, can we draft, "the best wingman we had in college?" He was different for all of us, but we all had one. That guy was a saint on many nights, making us look good. A humanitarian some nights when he had to liquor up the fat/ugly friend in the group so that we could get the target. And a down right martyr a night or two when he had to close the deal.

Here's to you, college wingman. The #1 saint/humanitarian/martyr.
Lady in Car: What are you gonna name it? Alison: What?

Lady in Car: The baby.

Alison : [realizing she's faking being pregnant] Oh, the baby. Well, if it's a girl, Cynthia, and if it's a boy, Elliot.

Lady in Car: Those are lovely names.

Gib: Elliot? You're gonna name the kid Elliot? No, you can't name the kid Elliot. Elliot is a fat kid with glasses who eats paste. You're not gonna name the kid Elliot. You gotta give him a real name. Give him a name. Like Nick.

Alison: Nick?

Gib: Yeah, Nick. Nick's a real name. Nick's your buddy. Nick's the kind of guy you can trust, the kind of guy you can drink a beer with, the kind of guy who doesn't mind if you puke in his car, Nick!

[Alison looks disgusted]
:goodposting: Very underrated movie.

 
You seriously cannot make up the past few days I've had. I've been trying to stay up to date here and joke around just to keep my sanity.

We've had a car breakdown, kid in hospital, CO2 alarm go off in house requiring the entire local FD to come to the house, problems at work, backed up toilet, bad chinese food, and I've had a migraine for 5 days and have to go for a CT scan to rule out everything that's bad, not to mention dogs and cats living together and mass hysteria.

And no one knows what to get Millie for a wedding present. I'm dealing with a lot of crap here.

 
You seriously cannot make up the past few days I've had. I've been trying to stay up to date here and joke around just to keep my sanity.We've had a car breakdown, kid in hospital, CO2 alarm go off in house requiring the entire local FD to come to the house, problems at work, backed up toilet, bad chinese food, and I've had a migraine for 5 days and have to go for a CT scan to rule out everything that's bad, not to mention dogs and cats living together and mass hysteria.And no one knows what to get Millie for a wedding present. I'm dealing with a lot of crap here.
Sorry to hear about that. My sympathies.Along the lines of "Apart from the shooting, Mrs Lincoln...", how do you feel about your draft?
 
Marge: Homer, I've been thinking, if the baby's a boy, what do you think of the name Larry?

Homer: Marge, we can't do that! All the kids will call him `Larry Fairy'.

Marge: Well, how about Louie?

Homer: They'll call him `Screwy Louie'.

Marge: Bob?

Homer: `Flob'.

Marge: Luke?

Homer: `Puke'.

Marge: Marcus?

Homer: `Mucus'.

Marge: What about Bart?

Homer: Let's see... Bart, Cart, Dart, Ee-art... Nope, can't see any problem with that!

 
You seriously cannot make up the past few days I've had. I've been trying to stay up to date here and joke around just to keep my sanity.We've had a car breakdown, kid in hospital, CO2 alarm go off in house requiring the entire local FD to come to the house, problems at work, backed up toilet, bad chinese food, and I've had a migraine for 5 days and have to go for a CT scan to rule out everything that's bad, not to mention dogs and cats living together and mass hysteria.And no one knows what to get Millie for a wedding present. I'm dealing with a lot of crap here.
Sorry to hear about that. My sympathies.Along the lines of "Apart from the shooting, Mrs Lincoln...", how do you feel about your draft?
Nah, it's all good. It's been more a comedy of errors then anything else. I had more fun in the American draft, though, to be honest. Various reasons. Still having fun though. :scared:
 
Marge: Homer, I've been thinking, if the baby's a boy, what do you think of the name Larry?Homer: Marge, we can't do that! All the kids will call him `Larry Fairy'.Marge: Well, how about Louie?Homer: They'll call him `Screwy Louie'.Marge: Bob?Homer: `Flob'.Marge: Luke?Homer: `Puke'.Marge: Marcus?Homer: `Mucus'.Marge: What about Bart?Homer: Let's see... Bart, Cart, Dart, Ee-art... Nope, can't see any problem with that!
:lmao:I was never once called "Larry Fairy" or "Fairy Larry" or any other combination of the words "fairy" and "Larry"...
 
Marge: Homer, I've been thinking, if the baby's a boy, what do you think of the name Larry?Homer: Marge, we can't do that! All the kids will call him `Larry Fairy'.Marge: Well, how about Louie?Homer: They'll call him `Screwy Louie'.Marge: Bob?Homer: `Flob'.Marge: Luke?Homer: `Puke'.Marge: Marcus?Homer: `Mucus'.Marge: What about Bart?Homer: Let's see... Bart, Cart, Dart, Ee-art... Nope, can't see any problem with that!
:lmao:I was never once called "Larry Fairy" or "Fairy Larry" or any other combination of the words "fairy" and "Larry"...
Well at least, not in your hearing... :lmao:
 
Don't worry ok not going to get into it with larry on this. Just had to vent about the category being filled with people who don't fit the description. Far be it for a celeb category to be filled with, you know, celebrities instead of posthumously famous people like say those in the wc categories. That's all I have to say on it til the judging is near.
I actually have to agree with MS here. Although I have the Pope as my celebrity, this category really should be better defined. Is it pop-culture of the bubblegum variety where a celebrity is defined as someone who is famous for basically being famous, or is it most-recognized name/face? Anna Nicole Smith belongs nowhere near the top 400 people of all-time, but she fits one description a lot better than Mary does. That said, there's a few others I'd take well above her which I might still take and move the Pope to WC, where he arguably belongs better. It's the competitive spirit in me that keeps him in celebrity, as I believe he should rank very high there.
 
You seriously cannot make up the past few days I've had. I've been trying to stay up to date here and joke around just to keep my sanity.We've had a car breakdown, kid in hospital, CO2 alarm go off in house requiring the entire local FD to come to the house, problems at work, backed up toilet, bad chinese food, and I've had a migraine for 5 days and have to go for a CT scan to rule out everything that's bad, not to mention dogs and cats living together and mass hysteria.And no one knows what to get Millie for a wedding present. I'm dealing with a lot of crap here.
A place setting is always nice.(not sure I got the right movie)
 
Don't worry ok not going to get into it with larry on this. Just had to vent about the category being filled with people who don't fit the description. Far be it for a celeb category to be filled with, you know, celebrities instead of posthumously famous people like say those in the wc categories. That's all I have to say on it til the judging is near.
I actually have to agree with MS here. Although I have the Pope as my celebrity, this category really should be better defined. Is it pop-culture of the bubblegum variety where a celebrity is defined as someone who is famous for basically being famous, or is it most-recognized name/face? Anna Nicole Smith belongs nowhere near the top 400 people of all-time, but she fits one description a lot better than Mary does. That said, there's a few others I'd take well above her which I might still take and move the Pope to WC, where he arguably belongs better. It's the competitive spirit in me that keeps him in celebrity, as I believe he should rank very high there.
I'd say JPII is a good celebrity under either definition of the category. Its an odd category either way though.
 
For what its worth, IMHO, and that may not be worth very much, there is at least a top ten composer available, two top ten painters, two top ten military leaders, two top ten humanitarians, a top ten non-painter artist, one top ten poet/playwright, etc. There are still some steals out there.

 
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14.07 - Tim Berners-Lee (Inventor)

Sir Timothy John Berners-Lee, OM, KBE, FRS, FREng, FRSA (London, 8 June 1955) is an English computer scientist and MIT professor credited with inventing the World Wide Web. On 25 December 1990 he implemented the first successful communication between an HTTP client and server via the Internet with the help of Robert Cailliau and a young student staff at CERN. He was ranked Joint First alongside Albert Hofmann in The Telegraph's list of 100 greatest living geniuses. Berners-Lee is the director of the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), which oversees the Web's continued development, the founder of the World Wide Web Foundation and he is a senior researcher and holder of the 3Com Founders Chair at the MIT Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory (CSAIL).

Tim Berners-Lee on November 18, 2005.While an independent contractor at CERN from June to December 1980, Berners-Lee proposed a project based on the concept of hypertext, to facilitate sharing and updating information among researchers. While there, he built a prototype system named ENQUIRE. After leaving CERN in 1980 he went to work at John Poole's Image Computer Systems Ltd in Bournemouth but returned to CERN in 1984 as a fellow. In 1989, CERN was the largest Internet node in Europe, and Berners-Lee saw an opportunity to join hypertext with the Internet: "I just had to take the hypertext idea and connect it to the Transmission Control Protocol and domain name system ideas and — ta-da! — the World Wide Web." He wrote his initial proposal in March 1989, and in 1990, with the help of Robert Cailliau, produced a revision which was accepted by his manager, Mike Sendall. He used similar ideas to those underlying the Enquire system to create the World Wide Web, for which he designed and built the first web browser and editor (WorldWideWeb, running on the NeXTSTEP operating system) and the first Web server, CERN HTTPd (short for HyperText Transfer Protocol daemon).

The first Web site built was at CERN and was first put online on 6 August 1991. It provided an explanation about what the World Wide Web was, how one could own a browser and how to set up a Web server. It was also the world's first Web directory, since Berners-Lee maintained a list of other Web sites apart from his own.

In 1994, Berners-Lee founded the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. It comprised various companies that were willing to create standards and recommendations to improve the quality of the Web. Berners-Lee made his idea available freely, with no patent and no royalties due. The World Wide Web Consortium decided that their standards must be based on royalty-free technology, so they can be easily adopted by anyone.

In 2001, Berners-Lee became a patron of the East Dorset Heritage Trust having previously lived in Colehill in Wimborne, East Dorset, England.

In December 2004 he accepted a chair in Computer Science at the School of Electronics and Computer Science, University of Southampton, England, to work on his new project—the Semantic Web.

He was also one of the pioneer voices in favour of Net Neutrality.

He feels that ISPs should not intercept customers' browsing activities, and has such strong views about this that he would change ISPs to get away from such activities.

Berners-Lee is currently the Director of the W3C and also at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology the 3Com Founders Professor in the School of Engineering and at the Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory (MIT CSAIL). He is also a director of The Web Science Research Initiative (WSRI), and a member of the advisory board of the MIT Center for Collective Intelligence.

 
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14.07 - Tim Berners-Lee (Inventor)

Sir Timothy John Berners-Lee, OM, KBE, FRS, FREng, FRSA (London, 8 June 1955) is an English computer scientist and MIT professor credited with inventing the World Wide Web. On 25 December 1990 he implemented the first successful communication between an HTTP client and server via the Internet with the help of Robert Cailliau and a young student staff at CERN. He was ranked Joint First alongside Albert Hofmann in The Telegraph's list of 100 greatest living geniuses. Berners-Lee is the director of the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), which oversees the Web's continued development, the founder of the World Wide Web Foundation and he is a senior researcher and holder of the 3Com Founders Chair at the MIT Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory (CSAIL).

Tim Berners-Lee on November 18, 2005.While an independent contractor at CERN from June to December 1980, Berners-Lee proposed a project based on the concept of hypertext, to facilitate sharing and updating information among researchers. While there, he built a prototype system named ENQUIRE. After leaving CERN in 1980 he went to work at John Poole's Image Computer Systems Ltd in Bournemouth but returned to CERN in 1984 as a fellow. In 1989, CERN was the largest Internet node in Europe, and Berners-Lee saw an opportunity to join hypertext with the Internet: "I just had to take the hypertext idea and connect it to the Transmission Control Protocol and domain name system ideas and — ta-da! — the World Wide Web." He wrote his initial proposal in March 1989, and in 1990, with the help of Robert Cailliau, produced a revision which was accepted by his manager, Mike Sendall. He used similar ideas to those underlying the Enquire system to create the World Wide Web, for which he designed and built the first web browser and editor (WorldWideWeb, running on the NeXTSTEP operating system) and the first Web server, CERN HTTPd (short for HyperText Transfer Protocol daemon).

The first Web site built was at CERN and was first put online on 6 August 1991. It provided an explanation about what the World Wide Web was, how one could own a browser and how to set up a Web server. It was also the world's first Web directory, since Berners-Lee maintained a list of other Web sites apart from his own.

In 1994, Berners-Lee founded the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. It comprised various companies that were willing to create standards and recommendations to improve the quality of the Web. Berners-Lee made his idea available freely, with no patent and no royalties due. The World Wide Web Consortium decided that their standards must be based on royalty-free technology, so they can be easily adopted by anyone.

In 2001, Berners-Lee became a patron of the East Dorset Heritage Trust having previously lived in Colehill in Wimborne, East Dorset, England.

In December 2004 he accepted a chair in Computer Science at the School of Electronics and Computer Science, University of Southampton, England, to work on his new project—the Semantic Web.

He was also one of the pioneer voices in favour of Net Neutrality.

He feels that ISPs should not intercept customers' browsing activities, and has such strong views about this that he would change ISPs to get away from such activities.

Berners-Lee is currently the Director of the W3C and also at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology the 3Com Founders Professor in the School of Engineering and at the Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory (MIT CSAIL). He is also a director of The Web Science Research Initiative (WSRI), and a member of the advisory board of the MIT Center for Collective Intelligence.
Obligatory reference to Al Gore.
 
You seriously cannot make up the past few days I've had. I've been trying to stay up to date here and joke around just to keep my sanity.We've had a car breakdown, kid in hospital, CO2 alarm go off in house requiring the entire local FD to come to the house, problems at work, backed up toilet, bad chinese food, and I've had a migraine for 5 days and have to go for a CT scan to rule out everything that's bad, not to mention dogs and cats living together and mass hysteria.And no one knows what to get Millie for a wedding present. I'm dealing with a lot of crap here.
A place setting is always nice.(not sure I got the right movie)
Okay, lets get two!
 
14.07 - Tim Berners-Lee (Inventor)

Sir Timothy John Berners-Lee, OM, KBE, FRS, FREng, FRSA (London, 8 June 1955) is an English computer scientist and MIT professor credited with inventing the World Wide Web. On 25 December 1990 he implemented the first successful communication between an HTTP client and server via the Internet with the help of Robert Cailliau and a young student staff at CERN. He was ranked Joint First alongside Albert Hofmann in The Telegraph's list of 100 greatest living geniuses. Berners-Lee is the director of the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), which oversees the Web's continued development, the founder of the World Wide Web Foundation and he is a senior researcher and holder of the 3Com Founders Chair at the MIT Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory (CSAIL).

Tim Berners-Lee on November 18, 2005.While an independent contractor at CERN from June to December 1980, Berners-Lee proposed a project based on the concept of hypertext, to facilitate sharing and updating information among researchers. While there, he built a prototype system named ENQUIRE. After leaving CERN in 1980 he went to work at John Poole's Image Computer Systems Ltd in Bournemouth but returned to CERN in 1984 as a fellow. In 1989, CERN was the largest Internet node in Europe, and Berners-Lee saw an opportunity to join hypertext with the Internet: "I just had to take the hypertext idea and connect it to the Transmission Control Protocol and domain name system ideas and — ta-da! — the World Wide Web." He wrote his initial proposal in March 1989, and in 1990, with the help of Robert Cailliau, produced a revision which was accepted by his manager, Mike Sendall. He used similar ideas to those underlying the Enquire system to create the World Wide Web, for which he designed and built the first web browser and editor (WorldWideWeb, running on the NeXTSTEP operating system) and the first Web server, CERN HTTPd (short for HyperText Transfer Protocol daemon).

The first Web site built was at CERN and was first put online on 6 August 1991. It provided an explanation about what the World Wide Web was, how one could own a browser and how to set up a Web server. It was also the world's first Web directory, since Berners-Lee maintained a list of other Web sites apart from his own.

In 1994, Berners-Lee founded the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. It comprised various companies that were willing to create standards and recommendations to improve the quality of the Web. Berners-Lee made his idea available freely, with no patent and no royalties due. The World Wide Web Consortium decided that their standards must be based on royalty-free technology, so they can be easily adopted by anyone.

In 2001, Berners-Lee became a patron of the East Dorset Heritage Trust having previously lived in Colehill in Wimborne, East Dorset, England.

In December 2004 he accepted a chair in Computer Science at the School of Electronics and Computer Science, University of Southampton, England, to work on his new project—the Semantic Web.

He was also one of the pioneer voices in favour of Net Neutrality.

He feels that ISPs should not intercept customers' browsing activities, and has such strong views about this that he would change ISPs to get away from such activities.

Berners-Lee is currently the Director of the W3C and also at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology the 3Com Founders Professor in the School of Engineering and at the Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory (MIT CSAIL). He is also a director of The Web Science Research Initiative (WSRI), and a member of the advisory board of the MIT Center for Collective Intelligence.
And yet again I learn something in this thread. :bowtie:
 
Since JML is on skip....

This is not a literary prude pic -- it's simply a novelist that I believe should be credited for lastingly entertaining many.

14.09 - Alexandre Dumas, Novelist.

link

Alexandre Dumas was a French writer, best known for his numerous historical novels of high adventure which have made him one of the most widely read French authors in the world. Many of his novels, including The Count of Monte Cristo, The Three Musketeers, Twenty Years After, and The Vicomte de Bragelonne were serialized. He also wrote plays and magazine articles and was a prolific correspondent.
Bonus pic
 
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Marge: Homer, I've been thinking, if the baby's a boy, what do you think of the name Larry?Homer: Marge, we can't do that! All the kids will call him `Larry Fairy'.Marge: Well, how about Louie?Homer: They'll call him `Screwy Louie'.Marge: Bob?Homer: `Flob'.Marge: Luke?Homer: `Puke'.Marge: Marcus?Homer: `Mucus'.Marge: What about Bart?Homer: Let's see... Bart, Cart, Dart, Ee-art... Nope, can't see any problem with that!
It's pronounced Az-WEE-Pay !!!
 
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Since JML is on skip....

This is not a literary prude pic -- it's simply a novelist that I believe should be credited for lastingly entertaining many.

14.09 - Alexandre Dumas, Novelist.
I have no idea how Krista will rate him, but I think Dumas certainly deserves to be drafted. He's similar to Dickens in that his influence comes from an enduring history of popularity and infusion in popular culture.
 
Well, I need a composer at some point, so i'll pick one here. I don't have much knowledge about him, but maybe the judge will like him :rolleyes:

14.10 Edward Elgar, composer

His long bio is here

 
Funny timing, I made my last pick as I walked out the door this morning and it's my turn when I walk in. I'll make my pick in a few, gotta shower and relax a bit.

I realized something today about Vasco da Gama, and when I say 'realized' I really mean that a friend told me. Vasco was the first one who actually accomplished the goal of the European Age of Discovery explorations, a sea route to the East!

 
14.5 - John The Baptist - Martyr
John the Baptist (Arabic: يحيى‎ Yaḥyá or يوحنا Yūḥannā, Aramaic Yohanoun) (died c 30)[1][2] was a mission preacher[3] and a major religious figure[4] who led a movement of baptism at the Jordan River in expectation of a divine apocalypse that would restore occupied Israel.[5] John followed the example of previous Hebrew prophets, living austerely, challenging sinful rulers, calling for repentance, and promising God's justice.Some scholars maintain that he was influenced by the Essenes, who were semi-ascetic, expected an apocalypse, and had rituals similar to baptism.[6] John's baptism was a purification rite for repentant sinners, performed in "living water" (in this case a running river) in accord with Jewish custom. John anticipated a messianic figure who would be greater than John himself.[7] Jesus, the central figure of Christianity, was among those whom John baptized. It has been suggested that Jesus may have been a follower of John.[5][8] Herod Antipas saw John as a threat and had him executed.[4] Jesus' own ministry followed John's, and some of Jesus' early followers had previously been followers of John.[9] John, like Jesus, preached at a time of political, social, and religious conflict.Accounts of John in the New Testament are not incompatible with the account in XXXXX, whose authority is respected.[10] Here, Jesus is the one whose coming John foretold. Herod has John imprisoned for denouncing his marriage, and he is later executed.[3] Christians commonly refer to John as the precursor or forerunner of Jesus,[11] since in the Gospels, John announces Jesus' coming. He is also identified with the prophet Elijah,[9] and is described as a relative of Jesus.[12]Because Scripture described John as endowed with prenatal grace, the feast day of his birth (June 24) became celebrated more solemnly than that marking his martyrdom (August 29).[3] Muslims also regard John as a prophet,[13] as do Bahá'ís[14] and Mandaeans. In art, John's head often appears on a platter because that is what Herod's stepdaughter, Salome, is said to have asked for.[15] Another theme of Christian art is his beheading.[1] He is also depicted as an ascetic wearing camel hair and with a staff and scroll inscribed "Ecce Agnus Dei" (Latin, "Behold the Lamb of God" — John 1:29) or bearing a book or dish with a lamb on it.[3] In Orthodox icons, he often has angel's wings, since Mark 1:2 describes him as ἄγγελος (angelos) or messenger.[10]
If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. :wub: :goodposting:
 
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I don't really have a lot of time to talk about this pick, there was some discussion of it in the GAD, but it's too late to go into it for me tonight. I pondered long and hard which millitary man to take and it boiled down to two men. One did more with dirty boots than the other, one became president the other rebuild what he had destroyed in the name of liberating Europe. In the end I had to take the higher ranked of the two, the man who chose the future President to be his theater commander, the first five star General among many honors and a Nobel Peace Prize for his work after WWII. Also he was the only man who once and for all put an end to Princip's decades long villainry!

14.11 Gen George Marshall military

 
13.10 The Grateful Dead Performers
HERBERT THE HIPPO said:
14.4 - Anna Nicole Smith - Celebrity
I'll be shocked if both of these pick don't end up being judged 20th in their respective categories.
ANS is about 4th or 5th in her category right now since half the people in there are not celebrities, despite the fact that she doesn't belong on a list of top 400 celebrities, but the category is tainted so why even bother.As for the Dead, I've outlined my reasons for selecting them and made clear that I don't think they are in the top 20 musicians of all time. But their performances and influences are a cultural phenomenon unmatched by any other band. We'll see what UH thinks. I can handle a 20 if he doesn't like it, odds are that each of us could get one.
 
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Well, I need a composer at some point, so i'll pick one here. I don't have much knowledge about him, but maybe the judge will like him :stirspot:

14.10 Edward Elgar, composer

His long bio is here
Two things:
Every single person reading this has marched to this song at least once; some, several times. It is also the unofficial national anthem for England ( aside - the U.K. anthem is, of course, God Save the Queen, but Wales is the only home country with its own official anthem)
While I have no idea where the judge will rank him as a composer, this is a top 5 mustache for sure! :pokey:

 
Skipped Pick

14.08 John Madden's Lunchbox

14.12 Doug B - Next Selection

14.13 DC Thunder - On Deck

14.14 Thorn - In the Hole

14.15 Yankee23fan

14.16 Acer FC

14.17 FUBAR

14.18 Arsenal of Doom

14.19 Larry Boy 44

14.20 Mario Kart

15.01 Mario Kart

15.02 Larry Boy 44

15.03 Arsenal of Doom

15.04 FUBAR

15.05 Acer FC

15.06 Yankee23fan

 
Unless the draft goes really slow today, I won't be around to make my two picks. I have PM'ed Tim, Thorn and Big Rocks my two picks. As long as they do not get sniped, good to go, otherwise if one does, than skip me and I will make my pick around 3:00 central time.

 
My catch up pick – I’ll get Philosopher out of the way.

Was thinking of going in another direction with this, but there are far too many people spotlighting names throughout this thread and that has caused me to go here instead.

14:08 – Epicurus – Philosopher

Epicurus (Greek: Ἐπίκουρος, Epikouros, "upon youth"; Samos, 341 BCE – Athens, 270 BCE; 72 years) was an ancient Greek philosopher and the founder of the school of philosophy called Epicureanism.

For Epicurus, the purpose of philosophy was to attain the happy, tranquil life, characterized by "ataraxia", peace and freedom from fear, and "aponia", the absence of pain, and by living a self-sufficient life surrounded by friends. He taught that pleasure and pain are the measures of what is good and bad, that death is the end of the body and the soul and should therefore not be feared, that the gods do not reward or punish humans, that the universe is infinite and eternal, and that events in the world are ultimately based on the motions and interactions of atoms moving in empty space.

Even though many of his teachings were heavily influenced by earlier thinkers, especially by XXXX, he differed in a significant way with Democritus on determinism. Epicurus would often deny this influence, denounce other philosophers as confused, and claim to be "self-taught".

Teachings – Epicureanism

Epicurus is a key figure in the development of science and the scientific method because of his insistence that nothing should be believed except that which was tested through direct observation and logical deduction. Many of his ideas about nature and physics presaged important scientific concepts of our time. He was a key figure in the Axial Age, the period from 800 BCE to 200 BCE, during which similarly revolutionary thinking appeared in China, India, Iran, the Near East, and Ancient Greece. His statement of the Ethic of Reciprocity as the foundation of ethics is the earliest in Ancient Greece, and differs from the XXXX formulation by emphasizing the minimization of harm to oneself and others as the way to maximize happiness.

Epicurus's teachings represented a departure from the other major Greek thinkers of his period, and before, but was nevertheless founded on many of the same principles as XXXX. Like XXXX, he was an atomist, believing that the fundamental constituents of the world were indivisible little bits of matter (atoms, Greek atomos, indivisible) flying through empty space (khaos). Everything that occurs is the result of the atoms colliding, rebounding, and becoming entangled with one another, with no purpose or plan behind their motions. (Compare this with the modern study of particle physics.) His theory differs from the earlier atomism of XXXX because he admits that atoms do not always follow straight lines but their direction of motion may occasionally exhibit a 'swerve' (clinamen). This allowed him to avoid the determinism implicit in the earlier atomism and to affirm free will.[6] (Compare this with the modern theory of quantum physics, which postulates a non-deterministic random motion of fundamental particles.)

He regularly admitted women and slaves into his school, introducing the new concept of fundamental human egalitarianism into Greek thought, and was one of the first Greeks to break from the god-fearing and god-worshiping tradition common at the time, even while affirming that religious activities are useful as a way to contemplate the gods and to use them as an example of the pleasant life. Epicurus participated in the activities of traditional Greek religion, but taught that one should avoid holding false opinions about the gods. The gods are immortal and blessed and men who ascribe any additional qualities that are alien to immortality and blessedness are, according to Epicurus, impious. The gods do not punish the bad and reward the good as the common man believes. The opinion of the crowd is, Epicurus claims, that the gods "send great evils to the wicked and great blessings to the righteous who model themselves after the gods," when in reality Epicurus believes the gods do not concern themselves at all with human beings.

Pleasure as absence of suffering

Epicurus' philosophy is based on the theory that all good and bad derive from the sensations of pleasure and pain. What is good is what is pleasurable, and what is bad is what is painful. Pleasure and pain were ultimately, for Epicurus, the basis for the moral distinction between good and bad. If pain is chosen over pleasure in some cases it is only because it leads to a greater pleasure. Although Epicurus has been commonly misunderstood to advocate the rampant pursuit of pleasure, (primarily through the influence of Christian polemics) what he was really after was the absence of pain (both physical and mental, i.e., suffering) - a state of satiation and tranquility that was free of the fear of death and the retribution of the gods. When we do not suffer pain, we are no longer in need of pleasure, and we enter a state of 'perfect mental peace' (ataraxia).

Epicurus explicitly warned against overindulgence because it often leads to pain. For instance, in what might be described as a "hangover" theory, Epicurus warned against pursuing love too ardently. However, having a circle of friends you can trust is one of the most important means for securing a tranquil life.

Epicurus also believed (contra Aristotle) that death was not to be feared. When a man dies, he does not feel the pain of death because he no longer is and he therefore feels nothing. Therefore, as Epicurus famously said, "death is nothing to us." When we exist death is not, and when death exists we are not. All sensation and consciousness ends with death and therefore in death there is neither pleasure nor pain. The fear of death arises from the false belief that in death there is awareness.

In connection with this argument, Epicurus formulated a version of the problem of evil. Though often referred to as the "Epicurean paradox," the argument is more accurately described as a reductio ad absurdum of the notion that an omnipotent, omniscient, and benevolent god could exist in a world that manifestly contains evil.[7] This doctrine, however, is not aimed at promoting atheism. Instead, it is part of an overarching philosophy meant to convince us that what gods there may be do not concern themselves with us, and thus would not seek to punish us either in this or any other life.[8]

Epicurus emphasized the senses in his epistemology, and his Principle of Multiple Explanations ("if several theories are consistent with the observed data, retain them all") is an early contribution to the philosophy of science.

There are also some things for which it is not enough to state a single cause, but several, of which one, however, is the case. Just as if you were to see the lifeless corpse of a man lying far away, it would be fitting to list all the causes of death in order to make sure that the single cause of this death may be stated. For you would not be able to establish conclusively that he died by the sword or of cold or of illness or perhaps by poison, but we know that there is something of this kind that happened to him.[9]

In contrast to the Stoics, Epicureans showed little interest in participating in the politics of the day, since doing so leads to trouble. He instead advocated seclusion. His garden can be compared to present-day communes. This principle is epitomized by the phrase lathe biōsas λάθε βιώσας meaning "live secretly", "get through life without drawing attention to yourself", i. e. live without pursuing glory or wealth or power, but anonymously, enjoying little things like food, the company of friends, etc.

As an ethical guideline, Epicurus emphasized minimizing harm and maximizing happiness of oneself and others:

It is impossible to live a pleasant life without living wisely and well and justly (agreeing "neither to harm nor be harmed"[10]),

and it is impossible to live wisely and well and justly without living a pleasant life.[11]

Legacy

Elements of Epicurean philosophy have resonated and resurfaced in various diverse thinkers and movements throughout Western intellectual history.

His emphasis minimizing harm and maximizing happiness in his formulation of the Ethic of Reciprocity was later picked up by the democratic thinkers of the French Revolution, and others, like John Locke, who wrote that people had a right to "life, liberty, and property."[citation needed] To Locke, one's own body was part of their property, and thus one's right to property would theoretically guarantee safety for their persons, as well as their possessions.

This triad, as well as the egalitarianism of Epicurus, was carried forward into the American freedom movement and Declaration of Independence, by the American founding father, Thomas Jefferson, as "all men are created equal" and endowed with certain "inalienable rights such as life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Jefferson considered himself an Epicurean. [1]

Karl Marx's doctoral thesis was on "The Difference Between the Democritean and Epicurean Philosophy of Nature." [2]

Epicurus was first to assert human freedom as coming from a fundamental indeterminism in the motion of atoms.

Epicurus was also a significant source of inspiration and interest for both XXXX XXXX, having particular influence on the famous pessimist's views on suffering and death, as well as one of XXXX successors: Friedrich Nietzsche. Nietzsche cites his affinities to Epicurus in a number of his works, including The Gay Science, Beyond Good and Evil, and his private letters to XXXX. Nietzsche was attracted to, among other things, Epicurus' ability to maintain a cheerful philosophical outlook in the face of painful physical ailments. Nietzsche also suffered from a number of sicknesses during his lifetime. However, he thought that Epicurus' conception of happiness as freedom from anxiety was too passive and negative.
 
HERBERT THE HIPPO said:
14.4 - Anna Nicole Smith - Celebrity
I'll be shocked if both of these pick don't end up being judged 20th in their respective categories.-----------------------------------

ANS is about 4th or 5th in her category right now since half the people in there are not celebrities, despite the fact that she doesn't belong on a list of top 400 celebrities, but the category is tainted so why even bother.
17. Celebrities Could be movie stars, athletes, other famous people. These are the ones who everywhere they go, people recognize them.I think you're half right, they should be recognized while alive, by their physical features.

Celebrity The Virgin Mary

Celebrity Elizabeth I

Celebrity Pope John Paul II

Celebrity Madonna

Celebrity King Tutankhamen

Celebrity Manfred von Richtothen

Celebrity Hugh Hefner

Celebrity Princess Diana

Celebrity Michael Jackson

Celebrity Elvis Presley

Celebrity Anna Nicole Smith

Celebrity Jackie Kennedy Onassis

Celebrity Barack Obama

Celebrity Marilyn Monroe

The way I see it, only 2 for sure and maybe Queen Elizabeth and the Red Baron don't meet that criteria. You can disagree with the criteria, but that's what the category is listed as from the start.

I still say the Pope wins this thing, as long as the judge doesn't agree with your premise that the category is only for useless people.

 
13.10 The Grateful Dead Performers
HERBERT THE HIPPO said:
14.4 - Anna Nicole Smith - Celebrity
I'll be shocked if both of these pick don't end up being judged 20th in their respective categories.
I won't argue the Smith pick, but the Dead are a legit performance phenomenon. Say what you will about their music. I'm not a fan at all. In fact, I think it's highly overrated and kinda sucks. But I went to a Dead show once back in the mid-90s because all my friends were going and it was better than staying home by myself on a Saturday night.It was incredible. Magical. Amazing.An entire culture sprouted around that band's music and ideals. 30-40 THOUSAND people followed them from city to city - that's not counting the locals who showed up when they arrived. Dead shows regularly pushed 100K wherever they went. You didn't even need a ticket - the show outside the show was entertainment and fun enough. I'm speaking beyond drugs too. People would just talk politics, philosophy, literature, they'd play frisbee, hackey-sack, they would put on juggling acts, etc. It was truly an event unseen from any music performer. It bordered on the religious. Though no Deadhead or religious person would say that, the parallels between the two are extraordinary. And it all grew from their music. As a "musical performance," the Dead rank in the top 10. Nobody else ever created an entire culture around their music. Other bands inhabit the moment and culture of their times. The very best change with the times to reflect those times. The Dead gave birth to a culture (taken from various elements at large) and their musical performances maintained it across the decades. I doubt any other band will ever accomplish that again.
 
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Wait a minute.

Did someone seriously put Queen Elizabeth I in the "celebrity" category?

You have to be effing kidding me.

 
Ill say one thing about the Dead. Without spotlighting, there is only one other group that has their very own station on serius radio. That has to say something for them, their fans and their influence. Were they the best, obviously not but they were far from the worst

 
HERBERT THE HIPPO said:
14.4 - Anna Nicole Smith - Celebrity
I'll be shocked if both of these pick don't end up being judged 20th in their respective categories.-----------------------------------

ANS is about 4th or 5th in her category right now since half the people in there are not celebrities, despite the fact that she doesn't belong on a list of top 400 celebrities, but the category is tainted so why even bother.
17. Celebrities Could be movie stars, athletes, other famous people. These are the ones who everywhere they go, people recognize them.I think you're half right, they should be recognized while alive, by their physical features.

Celebrity The Virgin Mary

Celebrity Elizabeth I

Celebrity Pope John Paul II

Celebrity Madonna

Celebrity King Tutankhamen

Celebrity Manfred von Richtothen

Celebrity Hugh Hefner

Celebrity Princess Diana

Celebrity Michael Jackson

Celebrity Elvis Presley

Celebrity Anna Nicole Smith

Celebrity Jackie Kennedy Onassis

Celebrity Barack Obama

Celebrity Marilyn Monroe

The way I see it, only 2 for sure and maybe Queen Elizabeth and the Red Baron don't meet that criteria. You can disagree with the criteria, but that's what the category is listed as from the start.

I still say the Pope wins this thing, as long as the judge doesn't agree with your premise that the category is only for useless people.
That's absolutely not my premise. Useless people belong here as well, but that doesn't exclude useful people. I just think the person needs to have recognizable fame while alive and a persons usefulness is secondary to their exposure. Pope and Queen are both stretches to fit and would be much better as WCs. I would rank them below ANS in a "celebrity" category.
 
For what its worth, IMHO, and that may not be worth very much, there is at least a top ten composer available, two top ten painters, two top ten military leaders, two top ten humanitarians, a top ten non-painter artist, one top ten poet/playwright, etc. There are still some steals out there.
:rant: One or more in the top ten for novel/short story, too.
 
HERBERT THE HIPPO said:
14.4 - Anna Nicole Smith - Celebrity
I'll be shocked if both of these pick don't end up being judged 20th in their respective categories.-----------------------------------

ANS is about 4th or 5th in her category right now since half the people in there are not celebrities, despite the fact that she doesn't belong on a list of top 400 celebrities, but the category is tainted so why even bother.
17. Celebrities Could be movie stars, athletes, other famous people. These are the ones who everywhere they go, people recognize them.I think you're half right, they should be recognized while alive, by their physical features.

Celebrity The Virgin Mary

Celebrity Elizabeth I

Celebrity Pope John Paul II

Celebrity Madonna

Celebrity King Tutankhamen

Celebrity Manfred von Richtothen

Celebrity Hugh Hefner

Celebrity Princess Diana

Celebrity Michael Jackson

Celebrity Elvis Presley

Celebrity Anna Nicole Smith

Celebrity Jackie Kennedy Onassis

Celebrity Barack Obama

Celebrity Marilyn Monroe

The way I see it, only 2 for sure and maybe Queen Elizabeth and the Red Baron don't meet that criteria. You can disagree with the criteria, but that's what the category is listed as from the start.

I still say the Pope wins this thing, as long as the judge doesn't agree with your premise that the category is only for useless people.
That's absolutely not my premise. Useless people belong here as well, but that doesn't exclude useful people. I just think the person needs to have recognizable fame while alive and a persons usefulness is secondary to their exposure. Pope and Queen are both stretches to fit and would be much better as WCs. I would rank them below ANS in a "celebrity" category.
You think more people worldwide would recognize ANS than the Pope? He gets to wear his hat. Anna can too if she wants.
 
HERBERT THE HIPPO said:
14.4 - Anna Nicole Smith - Celebrity
I'll be shocked if both of these pick don't end up being judged 20th in their respective categories.-----------------------------------

ANS is about 4th or 5th in her category right now since half the people in there are not celebrities, despite the fact that she doesn't belong on a list of top 400 celebrities, but the category is tainted so why even bother.
17. Celebrities Could be movie stars, athletes, other famous people. These are the ones who everywhere they go, people recognize them.I think you're half right, they should be recognized while alive, by their physical features.

Celebrity The Virgin Mary

Celebrity Elizabeth I

Celebrity Pope John Paul II

Celebrity Madonna

Celebrity King Tutankhamen

Celebrity Manfred von Richtothen

Celebrity Hugh Hefner

Celebrity Princess Diana

Celebrity Michael Jackson

Celebrity Elvis Presley

Celebrity Anna Nicole Smith

Celebrity Jackie Kennedy Onassis

Celebrity Barack Obama

Celebrity Marilyn Monroe

The way I see it, only 2 for sure and maybe Queen Elizabeth and the Red Baron don't meet that criteria. You can disagree with the criteria, but that's what the category is listed as from the start.

I still say the Pope wins this thing, as long as the judge doesn't agree with your premise that the category is only for useless people.
That's absolutely not my premise. Useless people belong here as well, but that doesn't exclude useful people. I just think the person needs to have recognizable fame while alive and a persons usefulness is secondary to their exposure. Pope and Queen are both stretches to fit and would be much better as WCs. I would rank them below ANS in a "celebrity" category.
Tim - we need a judge to come in here and give clarifying criteria on the Celebrity category. There are clearly two schools of thought on how to eveluate this, one which is inclusive of a broad stretch of world history and one which isn't. I think both sides have valid arguments. In the broader sense, someone like Elizabeth has been famous for 400 years, is pervasive in popular culture, and has iconic imagery so that a picture of her (or someone dressed to look like her) would be instantly recognizable to most people. On the other hand the limitations of mass media during her time limited area in which she would be easily recognized during her life to England and possibly the more educated and wealthy parts of Europe. If we get a judge to specify one or the others, the picks can be moved to wild cards as appropriate.

 
For what its worth, IMHO, and that may not be worth very much, there is at least a top ten composer available, two top ten painters, two top ten military leaders, two top ten humanitarians, a top ten non-painter artist, one top ten poet/playwright, etc. There are still some steals out there.
:wub: One or more in the top ten for novel/short story, too.
14.09 - Anne Rice:championship:

 

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