World's Greatest Draft (1 Viewer)

[timschochet]

Depends on how it's played and how much of the content is taken out (Hamlet is almost always scaled down or it is 4+ hours long). You should watch the Kenneth Branagh Hamlet from 96 or 97 - he plays him like a raging bull, it's awesome.

I'll have to watch that sometime. Branagh has got the Bard down, usually.The last Hamlet I saw was the Mel Gibson version- it was OK, though Glen Close was good.The WORST Shakespeare film I've ever seen was that Romeo and Juliet thing with Leonardo DiCaprio- man was that awful.

 

[Abrantes]

While we're waiting, interested to know your favorite Shakespeare play. So many great ones to choose from. My personal favorite is MacBeth.

I'm a Hamlet fan, with Macbeth second.

You mean The Scottish Play, right. No theatre person ever says the full name, it's supposed to be bad luck.

Yeah, I've heard that. There's all sorts of bad luck around it. But I'm not in theatre so, it's OK.I know everyone considers Hamlet to be the best, but doesn't he kind of strike you as a wimp? I mean, the guy's so wishy washy, I just wish he'd make up his mind, already...

Depends on how it's played and how much of the content is taken out (Hamlet is almost always scaled down or it is 4+ hours long). You should watch the Kenneth Branagh Hamlet from 96 or 97 - he plays him like a raging bull, it's awesome.

Yeah, that was the first Hamlet adaptation I saw. Really impressive.

 

[timschochet]

I wanted to relate an interesting story about Adolf Hitler from William Shirer's The Rise And Fall of The Third Reich, because it has to do with the importance of names to history. Adolf's father, Alois, was once known as Alois Shicklegruber; he changed his name to Hitler for obscure reasons; his mother's family name was sometimes known as Hitler, sometimes as Heidler.

In Shirer's opinion, had Alois kept the name of Shicklegruber, it would have changed Adolf's whole future, as nobody would have taken him seriously. Can you imagine, Shirer asks, someone yelling out "Heil Shiklegruber!" He also thinks Heidler would have hindered Adolf's career as well. It doen't roll off the tongue like Hitler. These things may seem unimportant, but Shirer believed them very important to the extremely odd series of events that allowed Hitler to become ruler of all Germany.

 

[NCCommish]

I wanted to relate an interesting story about Adolf Hitler from William Shirer's The Rise And Fall of The Third Reich, because it has to do with the importance of names to history. Adolf's father, Alois, was once known as Alois Shicklegruber; he changed his name to Hitler for obscure reasons; his mother's family name was sometimes known as Hitler, sometimes as Heidler.

In Shirer's opinion, had Alois kept the name of Shicklegruber, it would have changed Adolf's whole future, as nobody would have taken him seriously. Can you imagine, Shirer asks, someone yelling out "Heil Shiklegruber!" He also thinks Heidler would have hindered Adolf's career as well. It doen't roll off the tongue like Hitler. These things may seem unimportant, but Shirer believed them very important to the extremely odd series of events that allowed Hitler to become ruler of all Germany.

I think that is a gross oversimplification of the environment that led to Hitler seizing power.

 

[Ozymandias]

Of the comedies, Twelfth Night, followed closely by Taming of the Shrew.

"Some are born great, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon ’em." Can't quite decide about myself.

Of the tragedies, King Lear, followed closely by Macbeth.

Only Shakespeare could repeat a word five times and have it increase with power and pathos each time:

"Why should a dog, a horse, a rat, have life,

And thou no breath at all? Thou'lt come no more,

Never, never, never, never, never!"

Of the historical plays, Henry the Fifth; followed not so closely by Henry the Fourth, part 2.

And yes, the greatest battle eve speech ever made:

"Rather proclaim it, Westmoreland, through my host,

That he which hath no stomach to this fight,

Let him depart; his passport shall be made

And crowns for convoy put into his purse:

We would not die in that man's company

That fears his fellowship to die with us."

 

[Uncle Humuna]

DaVinci could write on two separate subjects at the same time. One with each hand.Einstein couldn't even comb his hair.

 

[Uncle Humuna]

If we do this draft in China, Sun Tzu isn't the first pick, so that kinda destroys the rest of your point, which I don't agree with anyway. Look, I get that you are thinking outside the box, so to speak. Problem is that the box doesn't need too much outside thought here. The reason the top guys are known is because they really are the top guys. In India, Sun Tzu isn't in the first round. In Japan, same thing. In Russia, they don't even think of him. If you want to play that game with every pick we can. The criticism with the pick isn't the pick itself but the placement. In a conversation of the World's Greatest, he doesn't rank with some already drafted and many yet to be.

I completely disagree with you. Like I stated in a previous post, he does not make it back to #20, so I either take him or lose him. I'd rather take him. And, there are different mindsets with each of those countries but with 20 knowledgeable people from each of those places with knowledge of each category, even if remedial, Sun Tzu is a first rounder in each of them. Many cultures do not rest on the final result of something while Western thought lives on the results of most things. So far, I have seen much Western ways of thinking in this thread, and thats okay, but don't make the claim that Sun Tzu is not better known because some may have little knowledge of him.A billion people in China will learn about Sun Tzu in school while ~80 million in America will not. How known in Sun Tzu in the world?

You'll have to head over to pingpongguys.com to find out

Viewed from the train or the track?

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

I wanted to relate an interesting story about Adolf Hitler from William Shirer's The Rise And Fall of The Third Reich, because it has to do with the importance of names to history. Adolf's father, Alois, was once known as Alois Shicklegruber; he changed his name to Hitler for obscure reasons; his mother's family name was sometimes known as Hitler, sometimes as Heidler.

In Shirer's opinion, had Alois kept the name of Shicklegruber, it would have changed Adolf's whole future, as nobody would have taken him seriously. Can you imagine, Shirer asks, someone yelling out "Heil Shiklegruber!" He also thinks Heidler would have hindered Adolf's career as well. It doen't roll off the tongue like Hitler. These things may seem unimportant, but Shirer believed them very important to the extremely odd series of events that allowed Hitler to become ruler of all Germany.

Didn't stop Hans Gruber seizing Nakatomi Towers

 

[Ozymandias]

I wanted to relate an interesting story about Adolf Hitler from William Shirer's The Rise And Fall of The Third Reich, because it has to do with the importance of names to history. Adolf's father, Alois, was once known as Alois Shicklegruber; he changed his name to Hitler for obscure reasons; his mother's family name was sometimes known as Hitler, sometimes as Heidler.

In Shirer's opinion, had Alois kept the name of Shicklegruber, it would have changed Adolf's whole future, as nobody would have taken him seriously. Can you imagine, Shirer asks, someone yelling out "Heil Shiklegruber!" He also thinks Heidler would have hindered Adolf's career as well. It doen't roll off the tongue like Hitler. These things may seem unimportant, but Shirer believed them very important to the extremely odd series of events that allowed Hitler to become ruler of all Germany.

Didn't stop Hans Gruber seizing Nakatomi Towers

Breeep...Sorry Hans, Wrong guess..would you like to go for double jeopardy where the scores can really mount up?

 

[John Maddens Lunchbox]

There are three others I would place in the same grouping, but can't really quarrel with Hitler.

Based strictly on body counts, yes. But Hitler has the intangibles in spades.

Maybe yes, maybe no. Certainly the technology aspect is a convincing argument for this.But there is another argument that I want to make here without spotlighting. Two points to make here:

1. Hitler's persecutions were all about outsiders. Everything was done, supposedly, for the security of Germany. If you were a German citizen, you were relatively safe under the Nazis prior to 1944. Of course, some dissidents were taken away and the Jews all disappeared, but most Germans felt secure and were secure as they had never been before, and this is part of the reason for the great enthusiasm for Hitler and his regime. Very, very few Germans did not absolutely love Adolf Hitler.

But suppose you lived in a similar totalitarian regime, where as a citizen you were NOT safe? Suppose, rather than outsiders (like Jews or radicals) being the target of the regime, in this case the target was ordinary citizens, and you had no idea when you might be next? Suppose nobody in your daily life could be trusted, and the great leader was not adored, but feared? Wouldn't this scenario be even worse than the Hitler scenario?

2. Hitler had a great and terrible effect on mankind, but it's important to remember that all of his goals ended up in total failure. He wanted Germany as the central power in Europe, with "living space" in the east. Instead, Germany was destroyed as a power, made prostrate, and divided up among the Americans and Russians. Hitler wanted to murder all the Jews in the world. He ended up murdering less than a third, and this action paved the way for a Jewish State, which Der Fuehrer would have loathed. Hitler wanted the Ayran race to dominate all things, especially culture. Just the opposite has happened..

But suppose there was a dictator or two who murdered people in similar numbers to Hitler, yet actually achieved most of their goals? Wouldn't that villain arguably be even more influential?

Again, I'm not sure either of these arguments is enough to remove Hitler from the #1 villain spot. But its something to consider.

Not true.My mother's mother died when she was 5 during Hitler's reign.

She got sick & wasn't crucial to the war effort, so she got left to die.

From what my grandfather said MOST Germans did NOT love Hitler.

They were powerless to stop him and if you attempted to, you were crushed. These displays were very public so no one was foolish enough to do so if they valued their own life.

The propaganda machine was astounding, the Nazis were extremely organized and a lot of Germans truly believed that the rest of the world was going to harm them.

My grandfather and mother were damn near starvation as were a lot of Germans not involved in the war effort and if it weren't for my grandfather being enterprising in how he fed his family I wouldn't be here.

 

[larry_boy_44]

1.08--Leonardo di se Piero da Vinci--Artist/Polymath

From scientist to mathematician, engineer to inventor, anatomist, painter, and sculptor to architect, botanist, musician and writer, this guy could doi it all. Often described as the archetype of the renaissance man, his unquenchable curiosity was equaled only by his powers of invention. Widely considered to be one of the greatest painters of all time and perhaps the most diversely talented person ever to have lived, "The scope and depth of his interests were without precedent...His mind and personality seem to us superhuman, the man himself mysterious and remote".

Leonardo was and is renowned primarily as a painter. Two of his works, the Mona Lisa and The Last Supper, are the most famous, most reproduced and most parodied portrait and religious painting of all time, respectively, their fame approached only by Michelangelo's Creation of Adam.[1] Leonardo's drawing of the Vitruvian Man is also regarded as a cultural icon,[3] being reproduced on everything from the Euro to text books to t-shirts. Perhaps fifteen of his paintings survive, the small number due to his constant, and frequently disastrous, experimentation with new techniques, and his chronic procrastination.[nb 2] Nevertheless, these few works, together with his notebooks, which contain drawings, scientific diagrams, and his thoughts on the nature of painting, comprise a contribution to later generations of artists only rivalled by that of his contemporary,

Leonardo is revered[2] for his technological ingenuity. He conceptualised a helicopter, a tank, concentrated solar power, a calculator, the double hull and outlined a rudimentary theory of plate tectonics.[4] Relatively few of his designs were constructed or were even feasible during his lifetime,[nb 3] but some of his smaller inventions, such as an automated bobbin winder and a machine for testing the tensile strength of wire, entered the world of manufacturing unheralded.[nb 4] As a scientist, he greatly advanced the state of knowledge in the fields of anatomy, civil engineering, optics, and hydrodynamics.[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonardo_da_Vinci

1/4 of my knowledge of artists down...:crosses off the blue Ninja Turtle:

 

[thatguy]

Of the picks so far:

1. Mario Kart- Sun Tzu: Ashamed to say I know little about this character

2. Larry Boy 44 Jesus of Nazareth: A worthy pick

3. Arsenal of Doom William Shakespeare - Would have been my pick had he lasted, great pick

4. FUBAR Muhammad - Not sure how to feel about him here

5. Acer FC Albert Einstein - Interesting he goes higher in the world draft than the American draft, but I think rightfully so

6. Yankee23 Fan Adolf Hitler - I wouldn't have gone villain in round 1, but tops in the category for sure

7. Thorn Christopher Columbus - Not sure; I hate the man, but there's no denying his importance

8. DC Thunder Leonardo Da Vinci - Another very good pick.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

6. Yankee23 Fan Adolf Hitler - I wouldn't have gone villain in round 1, but tops in the category for sure

X

 

[timschochet]

From what my grandfather said MOST Germans did NOT love Hitler.

Sorry JML, if you ask any German today over 75, they will tell you, "Oh, we all hated Hitler, we were just terrified of him." They're lying either to you, or to themselves. Probably the latter.The sad truth is quite the opposite. Are you aware that, until 1939, Hitler would ignore his own bodyguards, and go wading into crowds shaking hands? And they worshipped the guy! He was treated like a god. People who claim that Obama gets worshipped should look at old film of the way people treated Hitler. THAT was worship. The German people are forever embarrassed about this time of their history, as they should be, so they invent rationale to make them feel better about themselves. It is simply not true. Most Germans DID love Hitler.

 

[GTBilly]

I think I'm gonna popcorn this draft and only comment on my two categories but so far I am loving all the picks but as with anything this will be a big "Darn I forgot about him completely." What I think we are going to see with this draft is not nearly enough WORLD all the waaaaaay back. I knew Hitler was going to be picked early and I am going to try not to bias it but was he REALLY the BADDEST of THE BAD???One of the reason's I love the Sun Tsu pick is how encompassing and far back it dates alas I do not believe him to be an early first rounder. I also think that the women everyone is speaking of are truly great I can think of six off the top of my head but alas I think only two maybe three will make the draft and that is a shame.

Once again HISTORY IS A LONG TIME do not be afraid to look deep and even off the wall/board.

 

[FUBAR]

Of the picks so far:

1. Mario Kart- Sun Tzu: Ashamed to say I know little about this character

2. Larry Boy 44 Jesus of Nazareth: A worthy pick

3. Arsenal of Doom William Shakespeare - Would have been my pick had he lasted, great pick

4. FUBAR Muhammad - Not sure how to feel about him here

5. Acer FC Albert Einstein - Interesting he goes higher in the world draft than the American draft, but I think rightfully so

6. Yankee23 Fan Adolf Hitler - I wouldn't have gone villain in round 1, but tops in the category for sure

7. Thorn Christopher Columbus - Not sure; I hate the man, but there's no denying his importance

8. DC Thunder Leonardo Da Vinci - Another very good pick.

I'll go out on a limb and say you're not Muslim and haven't been to Iraq.

 

[larry_boy_44]

Well, it looks like I won't be picking today. But that's okay, no hurry. Anyways, I've been thinking and a question I have for everyone is: How many women do you think will be drafted? Plenty of women went in the greatest American draft (and rightly so), but I'm struggling to think of women worldwide who could be drafted. At this point, I can only think of two women. Maybe I'm just forgetting some...

I could probably see at least two in every category maybe more.

Really? I can't think of one female leader that could be drafted.

I can think of a few...

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

I think I'm gonna popcorn this draft and only comment on my two categories but so far I am loving all the picks but as with anything this will be a big "Darn I forgot about him completely." What I think we are going to see with this draft is not nearly enough WORLD all the waaaaaay back. I knew Hitler was going to be picked early and I am going to try not to bias it but was he REALLY the BADDEST of THE BAD???One of the reason's I love the Sun Tsu pick is how encompassing and far back it dates alas I do not believe him to be an early first rounder. I also think that the women everyone is speaking of are truly great I can think of six off the top of my head but alas I think only two maybe three will make the draft and that is a shame.Once again HISTORY IS A LONG TIME do not be afraid to look deep and even off the wall/board.

The only problem with this is that the farther you go back into history, the more you are starting to blend legend with fact. While there is certain element of this even with recent history, I do think the historicity of who we are drafting is a legitimate evaluation point.

 

[Mario Kart]

Well, it looks like I won't be picking today. But that's okay, no hurry. Anyways, I've been thinking and a question I have for everyone is: How many women do you think will be drafted? Plenty of women went in the greatest American draft (and rightly so), but I'm struggling to think of women worldwide who could be drafted. At this point, I can only think of two women. Maybe I'm just forgetting some...

I could probably see at least two in every category maybe more.

:( Really? I can't think of one female leader that could be drafted.

I can think of a few...

Unless picked, I would not be surprised if you took a female with your second rounder.

 

[krista4]

1.08--Leonardo di se Piero da Vinci--Artist/Polymath

From scientist to mathematician, engineer to inventor, anatomist, painter, and sculptor to architect, botanist, musician and writer, this guy could doi it all. Often described as the archetype of the renaissance man, his unquenchable curiosity was equaled only by his powers of invention. Widely considered to be one of the greatest painters of all time and perhaps the most diversely talented person ever to have lived, "The scope and depth of his interests were without precedent...His mind and personality seem to us superhuman, the man himself mysterious and remote".

Leonardo was and is renowned primarily as a painter. Two of his works, the Mona Lisa and The Last Supper, are the most famous, most reproduced and most parodied portrait and religious painting of all time, respectively, their fame approached only by Michelangelo's Creation of Adam.[1] Leonardo's drawing of the Vitruvian Man is also regarded as a cultural icon,[3] being reproduced on everything from the Euro to text books to t-shirts. Perhaps fifteen of his paintings survive, the small number due to his constant, and frequently disastrous, experimentation with new techniques, and his chronic procrastination.[nb 2] Nevertheless, these few works, together with his notebooks, which contain drawings, scientific diagrams, and his thoughts on the nature of painting, comprise a contribution to later generations of artists only rivalled by that of his contemporary,

Leonardo is revered[2] for his technological ingenuity. He conceptualised a helicopter, a tank, concentrated solar power, a calculator, the double hull and outlined a rudimentary theory of plate tectonics.[4] Relatively few of his designs were constructed or were even feasible during his lifetime,[nb 3] but some of his smaller inventions, such as an automated bobbin winder and a machine for testing the tensile strength of wire, entered the world of manufacturing unheralded.[nb 4] As a scientist, he greatly advanced the state of knowledge in the fields of anatomy, civil engineering, optics, and hydrodynamics.[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonardo_da_Vinci

1/4 of my knowledge of artists down...:crosses off the blue Ninja Turtle:

:(

 

[timschochet]

There will be some women chosen. There will be some Asians chosen, (already one has been chosen) along with Middle Easterners, possibly a few Blacks, Indians, and other ethnicities.

But overall this draft will be completely dominated by white men of European descent. I'm not being ethnocentric by writing this; the fact is, they dominate world history. People can try to paper over this fact, but it is largely true.

When A&E featured their "100 Greatest People of the Millenium" show a few years back, I felt they added several names to be politically correct- names of African-American runaway slaves, (Tubman and Truth) for example, who, although certainly important to the history of America, could make no real claim on importance over world history for 1,000 years. They did this deliberately because they did not want ALL of the names to be European White men. I believe this draft will be more intellectually honest than that list.

 

[NCCommish]

There will be some women chosen. There will be some Asians chosen, (already one has been chosen) along with Middle Easterners, possibly a few Blacks, Indians, and other ethnicities.But overall this draft will be completely dominated by white men of European descent. I'm not being ethnocentric by writing this; the fact is, they dominate world history. People can try to paper over this fact, but it is largely true. When A&E featured their "100 Greatest People of the Millenium" show a few years back, I felt they added several names to be politically correct- names of African-American runaway slaves, (Tubman and Truth) for example, who, although certainly important to the history of America, could make no real claim on importance over world history for 1,000 years. They did this deliberately because they did not want ALL of the names to be European White men. I believe this draft will be more intellectually honest than that list.

And I beleive the world is both more than 1000 years old and that Europeans had no claim on anything important until the last 600 years give or take. Will be a real shame if that's the way it goes.

 

[Fennis]

An Asian man, a black man, a white man, and an Arab man were taken in the first 4 picks.

 

[timschochet]

There will be some women chosen. There will be some Asians chosen, (already one has been chosen) along with Middle Easterners, possibly a few Blacks, Indians, and other ethnicities.But overall this draft will be completely dominated by white men of European descent. I'm not being ethnocentric by writing this; the fact is, they dominate world history. People can try to paper over this fact, but it is largely true. When A&E featured their "100 Greatest People of the Millenium" show a few years back, I felt they added several names to be politically correct- names of African-American runaway slaves, (Tubman and Truth) for example, who, although certainly important to the history of America, could make no real claim on importance over world history for 1,000 years. They did this deliberately because they did not want ALL of the names to be European White men. I believe this draft will be more intellectually honest than that list.

And I beleive the world is both more than 1000 years old and that Europeans had no claim on anything important until the last 600 years give or take. Will be a real shame if that's the way it goes.

Well, I think you're forgetting Southern Europe, which has plenty to say about things long before 1400 AD, wouldn't you say? And anyhow, the draft is already going that way- 5 out of 8 so far, and I predict the ratio will only grow.

 

[timschochet]

An Asian man, a black man, a white man, and an Arab man were taken in the first 4 picks.

OK, I fall for the fishing trip here. What black man was taken?

 

[NCCommish]

There will be some women chosen. There will be some Asians chosen, (already one has been chosen) along with Middle Easterners, possibly a few Blacks, Indians, and other ethnicities.But overall this draft will be completely dominated by white men of European descent. I'm not being ethnocentric by writing this; the fact is, they dominate world history. People can try to paper over this fact, but it is largely true. When A&E featured their "100 Greatest People of the Millenium" show a few years back, I felt they added several names to be politically correct- names of African-American runaway slaves, (Tubman and Truth) for example, who, although certainly important to the history of America, could make no real claim on importance over world history for 1,000 years. They did this deliberately because they did not want ALL of the names to be European White men. I believe this draft will be more intellectually honest than that list.

And I beleive the world is both more than 1000 years old and that Europeans had no claim on anything important until the last 600 years give or take. Will be a real shame if that's the way it goes.

Well, I think you're forgetting Southern Europe, which has plenty to say about things long before 1400 AD, wouldn't you say? And anyhow, the draft is already going that way- 5 out of 8 so far, and I predict the ratio will only grow.

And Africa had plenty to say way prior to that. Not to mention Asia.

 

[Fennis]

An Asian man, a black man, a white man, and an Arab man were taken in the first 4 picks.

OK, I fall for the fishing trip here. What black man was taken?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_of_Jesus

 

[Mario Kart]

An Asian man, a black man, a white man, and an Arab man were taken in the first 4 picks.

I thought they were going to walk into a bar and something was going to happen. I am lost now.

 

[FUBAR]

There will be some women chosen. There will be some Asians chosen, (already one has been chosen) along with Middle Easterners, possibly a few Blacks, Indians, and other ethnicities.But overall this draft will be completely dominated by white men of European descent. I'm not being ethnocentric by writing this; the fact is, they dominate world history. People can try to paper over this fact, but it is largely true. When A&E featured their "100 Greatest People of the Millenium" show a few years back, I felt they added several names to be politically correct- names of African-American runaway slaves, (Tubman and Truth) for example, who, although certainly important to the history of America, could make no real claim on importance over world history for 1,000 years. They did this deliberately because they did not want ALL of the names to be European White men. I believe this draft will be more intellectually honest than that list.

Bonus points for the person who legitimately picks the person from the smallest country.

 

[timschochet]

There will be some women chosen. There will be some Asians chosen, (already one has been chosen) along with Middle Easterners, possibly a few Blacks, Indians, and other ethnicities.But overall this draft will be completely dominated by white men of European descent. I'm not being ethnocentric by writing this; the fact is, they dominate world history. People can try to paper over this fact, but it is largely true. When A&E featured their "100 Greatest People of the Millenium" show a few years back, I felt they added several names to be politically correct- names of African-American runaway slaves, (Tubman and Truth) for example, who, although certainly important to the history of America, could make no real claim on importance over world history for 1,000 years. They did this deliberately because they did not want ALL of the names to be European White men. I believe this draft will be more intellectually honest than that list.

And I beleive the world is both more than 1000 years old and that Europeans had no claim on anything important until the last 600 years give or take. Will be a real shame if that's the way it goes.

Well, I think you're forgetting Southern Europe, which has plenty to say about things long before 1400 AD, wouldn't you say? And anyhow, the draft is already going that way- 5 out of 8 so far, and I predict the ratio will only grow.

And Africa had plenty to say way prior to that. Not to mention Asia.

Your'e quite correct. But I'm still guessing the Europeans will dominate. We'll see how the ratio turns out.

 

[Fennis]

An Asian man, a black man, a white man, and an Arab man were taken in the first 4 picks.

I thought they were going to walk into a bar and something was going to happen. I am lost now.

they were playing golf

 

[larry_boy_44]

Well, it looks like I won't be picking today. But that's okay, no hurry. Anyways, I've been thinking and a question I have for everyone is: How many women do you think will be drafted? Plenty of women went in the greatest American draft (and rightly so), but I'm struggling to think of women worldwide who could be drafted. At this point, I can only think of two women. Maybe I'm just forgetting some...

I could probably see at least two in every category maybe more.

Really? I can't think of one female leader that could be drafted.

I can think of a few...

Unless picked, I would not be surprised if you took a female with your second rounder.

if it is who I think you are referring to, I don't think I'd actually pick her at any point in the draft....not because she isn't worthy, but because someone else would pick her long before I would be willing to...Plus i already have the category she fits in...

 

[timschochet]

An Asian man, a black man, a white man, and an Arab man were taken in the first 4 picks.

OK, I fall for the fishing trip here. What black man was taken?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_of_Jesus

I knew it. I have always considered this to be totally bogus. Jesus was a Jew, a Talmudic scholar. The Jews who lived in Judea at the time were not Black.

 

[larry_boy_44]

There will be some women chosen. There will be some Asians chosen, (already one has been chosen) along with Middle Easterners, possibly a few Blacks, Indians, and other ethnicities.But overall this draft will be completely dominated by white men of European descent. I'm not being ethnocentric by writing this; the fact is, they dominate world history. People can try to paper over this fact, but it is largely true. When A&E featured their "100 Greatest People of the Millenium" show a few years back, I felt they added several names to be politically correct- names of African-American runaway slaves, (Tubman and Truth) for example, who, although certainly important to the history of America, could make no real claim on importance over world history for 1,000 years. They did this deliberately because they did not want ALL of the names to be European White men. I believe this draft will be more intellectually honest than that list.

And I beleive the world is both more than 1000 years old and that Europeans had no claim on anything important until the last 600 years give or take. Will be a real shame if that's the way it goes.

if you include Greece, Rome, Babylon, and Persia as "Western" and "European", he's 100% right...in fact, even if you just include Greece and Rome as European he's right... and it should be that way...I'm not saying like 90% of the picks should be European... but I would say that it would surprise me if 2/3 of the picks weren't, as i would say 2/3 of the most important people are European/Western...

 

[krista4]

I could probably see at least two in every category maybe more.

Really? I can't think of one female leader that could be drafted.

I can think of a few...

Unless picked, I would not be surprised if you took a female with your second rounder.

if it is who I think you are referring to, I don't think I'd actually pick her at any point in the draft....not because she isn't worthy, but because someone else would pick her long before I would be willing to...Plus i already have the category she fits in...

I was thinking of a woman for you whose likely category would be "celebrity" (though she would fit into at least two others as well).

 

[larry_boy_44]

An Asian man, a black man, a white man, and an Arab man were taken in the first 4 picks.

wait...WHAT?!?!Jesus was not black...

 

[Ozymandias]

There will be some women chosen. There will be some Asians chosen, (already one has been chosen) along with Middle Easterners, possibly a few Blacks, Indians, and other ethnicities.But overall this draft will be completely dominated by white men of European descent. I'm not being ethnocentric by writing this; the fact is, they dominate world history. People can try to paper over this fact, but it is largely true. When A&E featured their "100 Greatest People of the Millenium" show a few years back, I felt they added several names to be politically correct- names of African-American runaway slaves, (Tubman and Truth) for example, who, although certainly important to the history of America, could make no real claim on importance over world history for 1,000 years. They did this deliberately because they did not want ALL of the names to be European White men. I believe this draft will be more intellectually honest than that list.

And I beleive the world is both more than 1000 years old and that Europeans had no claim on anything important until the last 600 years give or take. Will be a real shame if that's the way it goes.

Well, I think you're forgetting Southern Europe, which has plenty to say about things long before 1400 AD, wouldn't you say? And anyhow, the draft is already going that way- 5 out of 8 so far, and I predict the ratio will only grow.

And Africa had plenty to say way prior to that. Not to mention Asia.

Your'e quite correct. But I'm still guessing the Europeans will dominate. We'll see how the ratio turns out.

You guys are forgetting Lucy: the Australopithecus afarensis. Now, if we could only find out that she was bi, we would have a trifecta.

 

[timschochet]

I was thinking of a woman for you whose likely category would be "celebrity" (though she would fit into at least two others as well).

For Larry? Please tell me she's not an actress with something like 20 adopted children...been there, done that.

 

[larry_boy_44]

Unless picked, I would not be surprised if you took a female with your second rounder.

if it is who I think you are referring to, I don't think I'd actually pick her at any point in the draft....not because she isn't worthy, but because someone else would pick her long before I would be willing to...Plus i already have the category she fits in...

I was thinking of a woman for you whose likely category would be "celebrity" (though she would fit into at least two others as well).

I'm actually having some interesting thoughts about "celebrity"...that's gonna be a fun category, i think...

 

[GTBilly]

From what my grandfather said MOST Germans did NOT love Hitler.

Sorry JML, if you ask any German today over 75, they will tell you, "Oh, we all hated Hitler, we were just terrified of him." They're lying either to you, or to themselves. Probably the latter.The sad truth is quite the opposite. Are you aware that, until 1939, Hitler would ignore his own bodyguards, and go wading into crowds shaking hands? And they worshipped the guy! He was treated like a god. People who claim that Obama gets worshipped should look at old film of the way people treated Hitler. THAT was worship. The German people are forever embarrassed about this time of their history, as they should be, so they invent rationale to make them feel better about themselves. It is simply not true. Most Germans DID love Hitler.

Not equating him to HITLER in any sense but try to find someone in your country that is willing to admit they voted for George W. Happens all the time where people think it was a good idea and then later no one wants to admit they did it.

 

[krista4]

I was thinking of a woman for you whose likely category would be "celebrity" (though she would fit into at least two others as well).

For Larry? Please tell me she's not an actress with something like 20 adopted children...been there, done that.

Not an actress. I sent you a PM since you're not a drafter.

 

[NCCommish]

There will be some women chosen. There will be some Asians chosen, (already one has been chosen) along with Middle Easterners, possibly a few Blacks, Indians, and other ethnicities.But overall this draft will be completely dominated by white men of European descent. I'm not being ethnocentric by writing this; the fact is, they dominate world history. People can try to paper over this fact, but it is largely true. When A&E featured their "100 Greatest People of the Millenium" show a few years back, I felt they added several names to be politically correct- names of African-American runaway slaves, (Tubman and Truth) for example, who, although certainly important to the history of America, could make no real claim on importance over world history for 1,000 years. They did this deliberately because they did not want ALL of the names to be European White men. I believe this draft will be more intellectually honest than that list.

And I beleive the world is both more than 1000 years old and that Europeans had no claim on anything important until the last 600 years give or take. Will be a real shame if that's the way it goes.

if you include Greece, Rome, Babylon, and Persia as "Western" and "European", he's 100% right...in fact, even if you just include Greece and Rome as European he's right... and it should be that way...I'm not saying like 90% of the picks should be European... but I would say that it would surprise me if 2/3 of the picks weren't, as i would say 2/3 of the most important people are European/Western...

Well yeah if you include African areas as European I guess you're right. Of course we don't. And I defy anyone here to find any respectable scholar that considers Ancient Greece European. Or Rome for that matter. Now we are for the purposes of this draft to some degree but that's an artifical contruct for ease not accuracy.

 

[Fennis]

An Asian man, a black man, a white man, and an Arab man were taken in the first 4 picks.

OK, I fall for the fishing trip here. What black man was taken?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_of_Jesus

I knew it. I have always considered this to be totally bogus. Jesus was a Jew, a Talmudic scholar. The Jews who lived in Judea at the time were not Black.

I dont claim to know Jesus looked like, bue I am sure it is closer to this:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:RFJesus.jpg

than

this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...nOnTheMount.jpg

 

[GregR_2]

Of the picks so far:1. Mario Kart- Sun Tzu: Ashamed to say I know little about this character2. Larry Boy 44 Jesus of Nazareth: A worthy pick3. Arsenal of Doom William Shakespeare - Would have been my pick had he lasted, great pick4. FUBAR Muhammad - Not sure how to feel about him here5. Acer FC Albert Einstein - Interesting he goes higher in the world draft than the American draft, but I think rightfully so6. Yankee23 Fan Adolf Hitler - I wouldn't have gone villain in round 1, but tops in the category for sure7. Thorn Christopher Columbus - Not sure; I hate the man, but there's no denying his importance8. DC Thunder Leonardo Da Vinci - Another very good pick.

Just read up on this thread today. My comments as well.I'm surprised Mario Kart has taken the grief he has over the Sun Tzu pick. Not that taking Sun Tzu #1 doesn't deserve criticism, but that pales in comparison to trying to call him a Leader instead of calling him Military or even Philosophy. If you can't tell on the first try what slot a guy fits in he isn't worth taking 1.1.I can agree that Shakespeare should probably have been the 1.1 based on domination of his category. Great pick by Arsenal at 1.3.I'd give Jesus the edge over Muhammad based on the implication in the name "Religious Figure". The wording entails to me that it includes his meaning and significance as a Religious Figure and not necessarily what he personally accomplished as a Religious Leader (which would be dwarfed by Muhammad IMHO). But I think Muhammad is close to Jesus in value, while no one is nearly as close to Shakespeare. Shakespeare would have been the value pick.I think Einstein is probably a 1st rounder but IMHO he should have been the 2nd person taken in his category.I'm only liking the DaVinci pick if he is used in the Wildcard slot. Maybe he can be argued to be the best painter, but I think there may be some others in that tier. And I don't buy an argument he's the undisputed top guy in any other slot, like Scientist. His brilliance is that he rates near (though not necessarily in) the top tier in multiple slots. Pigeonholing him as a painter is a terrible waste. I realize slots can be changed, but it should be pretty obvious what slot your 1st round pick goes into. Make him the Wildcard and he probably blows away any other Wildcard by a big margin. Maybe by as much value as Shakespeare has in the Playwright slot.Hitler I'm not surprised at the pick given the world view. Let's face it, he's the world's #1 villain as people perceive him. That said, there are other people (or at least one other person) who I think have done worse than Hitler, just it doesn't get discussed as frequently.

 

[larry_boy_44]

There will be some women chosen. There will be some Asians chosen, (already one has been chosen) along with Middle Easterners, possibly a few Blacks, Indians, and other ethnicities.But overall this draft will be completely dominated by white men of European descent. I'm not being ethnocentric by writing this; the fact is, they dominate world history. People can try to paper over this fact, but it is largely true. When A&E featured their "100 Greatest People of the Millenium" show a few years back, I felt they added several names to be politically correct- names of African-American runaway slaves, (Tubman and Truth) for example, who, although certainly important to the history of America, could make no real claim on importance over world history for 1,000 years. They did this deliberately because they did not want ALL of the names to be European White men. I believe this draft will be more intellectually honest than that list.

And I beleive the world is both more than 1000 years old and that Europeans had no claim on anything important until the last 600 years give or take. Will be a real shame if that's the way it goes.

if you include Greece, Rome, Babylon, and Persia as "Western" and "European", he's 100% right...in fact, even if you just include Greece and Rome as European he's right... and it should be that way...I'm not saying like 90% of the picks should be European... but I would say that it would surprise me if 2/3 of the picks weren't, as i would say 2/3 of the most important people are European/Western...

Well yeah if you include African areas as European I guess you're right. Of course we don't. And I defy anyone here to find any respectable scholar that considers Ancient Greece European. Or Rome for that matter. Now we are for the purposes of this draft to some degree but that's an artifical contruct for ease not accuracy.

how are Greece and Rome not European when they are, in fact, a part of Europe?

 

[mad sweeney]

Hey folks. i don't know what pick you're at, I'm back on page 5 catching up. I got off work very early so I should get a pick in tonight. Just need to do some readin' and figurin'..

 

[Fennis]

An Asian man, a black man, a white man, and an Arab man were taken in the first 4 picks.

wait...WHAT?!?!Jesus was not black...

Maybe not, but Jesus surely wasn’t white.

 

[NCCommish]

An Asian man, a black man, a white man, and an Arab man were taken in the first 4 picks.

OK, I fall for the fishing trip here. What black man was taken?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_of_Jesus

I knew it. I have always considered this to be totally bogus. Jesus was a Jew, a Talmudic scholar. The Jews who lived in Judea at the time were not Black.

I dont know claim to know Jesus looked like, and much more closer to this:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:RFJesus.jpg

than

this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...nOnTheMount.jpg

Yep. Blue eyed Jesus is not a possibility.

 

[larry_boy_44]

An Asian man, a black man, a white man, and an Arab man were taken in the first 4 picks.

wait...WHAT?!?!Jesus was not black...

Maybe not, but Jesus surely wasn’t white.

I'm aware of that...being "not white" does not make you black...

 

[NCCommish]

There will be some women chosen. There will be some Asians chosen, (already one has been chosen) along with Middle Easterners, possibly a few Blacks, Indians, and other ethnicities.But overall this draft will be completely dominated by white men of European descent. I'm not being ethnocentric by writing this; the fact is, they dominate world history. People can try to paper over this fact, but it is largely true. When A&E featured their "100 Greatest People of the Millenium" show a few years back, I felt they added several names to be politically correct- names of African-American runaway slaves, (Tubman and Truth) for example, who, although certainly important to the history of America, could make no real claim on importance over world history for 1,000 years. They did this deliberately because they did not want ALL of the names to be European White men. I believe this draft will be more intellectually honest than that list.

And I beleive the world is both more than 1000 years old and that Europeans had no claim on anything important until the last 600 years give or take. Will be a real shame if that's the way it goes.

if you include Greece, Rome, Babylon, and Persia as "Western" and "European", he's 100% right...in fact, even if you just include Greece and Rome as European he's right... and it should be that way...I'm not saying like 90% of the picks should be European... but I would say that it would surprise me if 2/3 of the picks weren't, as i would say 2/3 of the most important people are European/Western...

Well yeah if you include African areas as European I guess you're right. Of course we don't. And I defy anyone here to find any respectable scholar that considers Ancient Greece European. Or Rome for that matter. Now we are for the purposes of this draft to some degree but that's an artifical contruct for ease not accuracy.

how are Greece and Rome not European when they are, in fact, a part of Europe?

Ancient Greece and Ancient Rome are always seperated from Europe in any scholarly discussion Larry. They influenced Europe they were not of it.