Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Why do you have to keep track of it? Put the guy anywhere and as long as the drafter finishes his roster properly, what difference does it make?
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World's Greatest Draft (2 Viewers)
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Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
I'm pretty sure I said put Burke in Intellectual.
timschochet
Footballguy
So that the judges can keep track of who's been taken in each category without having to read the entire draft; they can just scan the OP; so can everyone else. It's supposed to be a convienence to help you draft.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Tim,
I sent you the picks instead of another drafter so they would not give any ideas away. Hopefully they don't but you never know. You are impartial as I do not think you share info from PM's. That is the reason I sent them to you.
I sent you the picks instead of another drafter so they would not give any ideas away. Hopefully they don't but you never know. You are impartial as I do not think you share info from PM's. That is the reason I sent them to you.
timschochet
Footballguy
I don't think you did. But if so, where do you want Adam Smith?
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
My roster should look like this tim - I thought I was making categories clear. Sorry if I wasn't. I'll make sure to do so from this point.........
Yankee23fan
Leader Charlemagne
Military
Scientist Hippocrates
Inventor T'sai Lun
Discoverer/Explorer
Humanitarian/Saint/Martyr - St. Augustine
Novelist/short story
Playwright/Poet
Villain Adolf Hitler
Athlete
Composer
Muscian/ Performer
Painter
Artist/ Non Painter
Philosopher - Adam Smith
Religious Figure
Celebrity
Intellectual Edmund Burke
Rebel
Wildcard
Wildcard
Wildcard
Yankee23fan
Leader Charlemagne
Military
Scientist Hippocrates
Inventor T'sai Lun
Discoverer/Explorer
Humanitarian/Saint/Martyr - St. Augustine
Novelist/short story
Playwright/Poet
Villain Adolf Hitler
Athlete
Composer
Muscian/ Performer
Painter
Artist/ Non Painter
Philosopher - Adam Smith
Religious Figure
Celebrity
Intellectual Edmund Burke
Rebel
Wildcard
Wildcard
Wildcard
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
But they're not judging until after the draft is over. And as a drafter all I need to know is if a name has been taken - I don't care what category he's been put in.
FUBAR
Footballguy
sorry, but CNTRL-C and CNTRL-V work pretty well for long names. Do you think we actually write out the bios?Hun should be leader for now.
timschochet
Footballguy
Mario, I sent them to FUBAR because I had to leave at 5:15 pst this morning and did not return until just now. This happens to me often, I can't say when I will be online, which is why I warned everyone NOT to PM picks to me. FUBAR was willing to accept and post them. Best I could do under the circumstances.
Ozymandias
Footballguy
Allowing the person to change categories gives them an advantage, but also creates a quandary for other drafters . For example, if 10 military leaders go in other categories, then I have a good chance by drafting someone now for the 6th military leader. However, if all go into the military leader, why should I spend a draft pick on someone who could end up 16th? (just as an example). Too late to change it now, but IMHO it would have been better to make the picks go into a category at that time.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
Thanks FUBAR and Yankee, your teams are corrected.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
My team:
Discoverer/Explorer - Yuri Gagarin
Playwrights/Poets - Homer
Composer - Johann Sebastian Bach
Painter - Raphael
Artist (non-painter) - Giovanni Lorenzo Bernini
Religious Figure - Jesus of Nazareth
Philosopher - King Solomon
Discoverer/Explorer - Yuri Gagarin
Playwrights/Poets - Homer
Composer - Johann Sebastian Bach
Painter - Raphael
Artist (non-painter) - Giovanni Lorenzo Bernini
Religious Figure - Jesus of Nazareth
Philosopher - King Solomon
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larry_boy_44
Footballguy
MisfitBlondes said:You automatically get 20th for "Bash"...My teamiscoverer/Explorer - Yuri GagarinPlaywrights/Poets - HomerComposer - Johann Sebastian BashPainter - RaphaelArtist (non-painter) - Giovanni Lorenzo Bernini Religious Figure - Jesus of NazarethPhilosopher - King Solomon
I hate typos
timschochet
Footballguy
Some notes-
Larry, I wouldn't have thought of Solomon but it's an extremely intriguing choice. You mentioned Proverbs, but my favorite (and my favorite Biblical book is Ecclisiastes. The guy could have been taken as a poet as well, because this book is sheer poetry.
Yankee, by taking Burke and moving Smith to philosopher, you may have a problem. Smith is an important individual, but not a philosopher. You might want to rethink this.
JRR Tolkein is much like the Stan Lee and Dr. Seuss picks in the GAD. Very influential, but how to rank him? Interesting dilemma for Krista...
Include me among the guys who never heard of Alhazen. Fascinating choice.
Painters are being taken off the board fast now. Nobody wants to be left out. Renoir and Raphael are certainly masters. There's still quite a few more, though...
Larry, I wouldn't have thought of Solomon but it's an extremely intriguing choice. You mentioned Proverbs, but my favorite (and my favorite Biblical book is Ecclisiastes. The guy could have been taken as a poet as well, because this book is sheer poetry.
Yankee, by taking Burke and moving Smith to philosopher, you may have a problem. Smith is an important individual, but not a philosopher. You might want to rethink this.
JRR Tolkein is much like the Stan Lee and Dr. Seuss picks in the GAD. Very influential, but how to rank him? Interesting dilemma for Krista...
Include me among the guys who never heard of Alhazen. Fascinating choice.
Painters are being taken off the board fast now. Nobody wants to be left out. Renoir and Raphael are certainly masters. There's still quite a few more, though...
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
I've never really read Ecclesiastes, but I probably should (adds to my list of things to do in the near future)... but either way Proverbs is the more "known" book of wisdom, which fits in his category, even if Ecclesiastes is very philosophical, too, I think...
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
I've never moved anyone drafted from the slot I originally put them in. I guess I wasn't paying attention to your second overall post because I've been keeping track of my picks in my sig. To me, Burke and Smith can go in either slot I have them in.
Interesting. He's actually one of the first people I thought of when I saw the villians category. IMO he makes a better military figure than leader as well.
timschochet
Footballguy
Aggravating. But no, not really.Now I have to run again for another hour or two. Will update later.Thanks to everyone for keeping up, especially Thorn. I really appreciate it.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
btw...
who's the philosophy judge?
(better stated as "how bad exactly are they gonna rate my Solomon pick?)
who's the philosophy judge?
(better stated as "how bad exactly are they gonna rate my Solomon pick?)
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7.08--Sir Alexander Fleming-Scientist
Fleming was a Scottish biologist and pharmacologist who discovered the antibiotic substance Penicillin in 1928, thereby opening up the entire field of antibiotics and allowing the curing of diseases that had devestated mankind for all ages.
Fleming was a Scottish biologist and pharmacologist who discovered the antibiotic substance Penicillin in 1928, thereby opening up the entire field of antibiotics and allowing the curing of diseases that had devestated mankind for all ages.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Who can take a PM?
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
I can...
thatguy
Footballguy
This guy should be a slamdunk top 5 for his category, and IMO is third only to Shakespeare and Homer.
Virgil - Poet
Publius Vergilius Maro (also known by the Anglicised forms of his name as Virgil or Vergil) (October 15, 70 BCE – September 21, 19 BCE) was a classical Roman poet, best known for three major works—the Bucolics (or Eclogues), the Georgics and the Aeneid—although several minor poems are also attributed to him. The son of a farmer, Virgil came to be regarded as one of Rome's greatest poets; his Aeneid as Rome's national epic.
Composition of the Aeneid and death
Virgil worked on the Aeneid during the last ten years of his life. Its first six books tell how the Trojan hero Aeneas escapes from the sacking of Troy and makes his way to Italy. On the voyage, a storm drives him to the coast of Carthage, which historically was Rome's deadliest foe. The queen, Dido, welcomes the ancestor of the Romans, and under the influence of the gods falls deeply in love with him. Jupiter recalls Aeneas to his duty towards Rome, however, and he slips away from Carthage, leaving Dido to commit suicide, cursing Aeneas and calling down revenge in a symbolic anticipation of the fierce wars between Carthage and Rome. On reaching Cumae, in Italy, Aeneas consults the Cumaean Sibyl, who conducts him through the Underworld and where Virgil imagines him meeting his father Anchises who reveals his son's Roman destiny to him.
The six books (of "first writing") are modeled on Homer's Odyssey, but the last six are the Roman answer to the Iliad. Aeneas is betrothed to Lavinia, daughter of King Latinus, but Lavinia had already been promised to Turnus, the king of the Rutulians, who is roused to war by the Fury Allecto. The Aeneid ends with a single combat between Aeneas and Turnus, whom Aeneas defeats and kills, spurning his plea for mercy.
Virgil traveled with Augustus to Greece. En route, Virgil caught a fever, from which he died in Brundisium harbor, leaving the Aeneid unfinished. Augustus ordered Virgil's literary executors, Lucius Varius Rufus and Plotius Tucca, to disregard Virgil's own wish that the poem be burned, instead ordering it published with as few editorial changes as possible. As a result, the text of the Aeneid that exists may contain faults which Virgil was planning to correct before publication. However, the only obvious imperfections are a few lines of verse that are metrically unfinished (i.e., not a complete line of dactylic hexameter). Other alleged "imperfections" are subject to scholarly debate.
Incomplete or not, the Aeneid was immediately recognized as a masterpiece. It proclaimed the Imperial mission of the Roman Empire, while at the same time pitying Rome's victims and feeling their grief. Aeneas was considered to exemplify virtue and pietas (roughly translated as "piety", though the word is far more complex and has a sense of being duty-bound and respectful of divine will, family and homeland). Nevertheless, Aeneas struggles between doing what he wants as a man, and doing what he must as a virtuous hero. In the view of some modern critics, Aeneas' inner turmoil and shortcomings make him a more realistic character than the heroes of Homeric poetry, such as Odysseus.
Later views of Virgil
Even as the Roman empire collapsed, literate men acknowledged that the Christianized Virgil was a master poet. #### read Virgil, whom he quotes in several places, along with some other Latin poets, though he cautions that "we ought not to relate their lying fables, lest we fall under sentence of eternal death". The Aeneid remained the central Latin literary text of the Middle Ages and retained its status as the grand epic of the Latin peoples, and of those who considered themselves to be of Roman provenance, such as the English. It also held religious importance as it describes the founding of the Holy City. Virgil was made palatable for his Christian audience also through a belief in his prophecy of Christ in his Fourth Eclogue. #### and other classical writers too were declared Christian due to similarities in moral thinking to Christianity. Surviving medieval collections of manuscripts containing Virgil's works include the Vergilius Augusteus, the Vergilius Vaticanus and the Vergilius Romanus.
Dante made Virgil his guide to Hell and the greater part of Purgatory in The Divine Comedy. Dante also mentions Virgil in De vulgari eloquentia, along with ####, #### and ####, as one of the four regulati poetae (ii, vi, 7).
Virgil continues to be considered one of the greatest Latin poets.
Virgil - Poet
Publius Vergilius Maro (also known by the Anglicised forms of his name as Virgil or Vergil) (October 15, 70 BCE – September 21, 19 BCE) was a classical Roman poet, best known for three major works—the Bucolics (or Eclogues), the Georgics and the Aeneid—although several minor poems are also attributed to him. The son of a farmer, Virgil came to be regarded as one of Rome's greatest poets; his Aeneid as Rome's national epic.
Composition of the Aeneid and death
Virgil worked on the Aeneid during the last ten years of his life. Its first six books tell how the Trojan hero Aeneas escapes from the sacking of Troy and makes his way to Italy. On the voyage, a storm drives him to the coast of Carthage, which historically was Rome's deadliest foe. The queen, Dido, welcomes the ancestor of the Romans, and under the influence of the gods falls deeply in love with him. Jupiter recalls Aeneas to his duty towards Rome, however, and he slips away from Carthage, leaving Dido to commit suicide, cursing Aeneas and calling down revenge in a symbolic anticipation of the fierce wars between Carthage and Rome. On reaching Cumae, in Italy, Aeneas consults the Cumaean Sibyl, who conducts him through the Underworld and where Virgil imagines him meeting his father Anchises who reveals his son's Roman destiny to him.
The six books (of "first writing") are modeled on Homer's Odyssey, but the last six are the Roman answer to the Iliad. Aeneas is betrothed to Lavinia, daughter of King Latinus, but Lavinia had already been promised to Turnus, the king of the Rutulians, who is roused to war by the Fury Allecto. The Aeneid ends with a single combat between Aeneas and Turnus, whom Aeneas defeats and kills, spurning his plea for mercy.
Virgil traveled with Augustus to Greece. En route, Virgil caught a fever, from which he died in Brundisium harbor, leaving the Aeneid unfinished. Augustus ordered Virgil's literary executors, Lucius Varius Rufus and Plotius Tucca, to disregard Virgil's own wish that the poem be burned, instead ordering it published with as few editorial changes as possible. As a result, the text of the Aeneid that exists may contain faults which Virgil was planning to correct before publication. However, the only obvious imperfections are a few lines of verse that are metrically unfinished (i.e., not a complete line of dactylic hexameter). Other alleged "imperfections" are subject to scholarly debate.
Incomplete or not, the Aeneid was immediately recognized as a masterpiece. It proclaimed the Imperial mission of the Roman Empire, while at the same time pitying Rome's victims and feeling their grief. Aeneas was considered to exemplify virtue and pietas (roughly translated as "piety", though the word is far more complex and has a sense of being duty-bound and respectful of divine will, family and homeland). Nevertheless, Aeneas struggles between doing what he wants as a man, and doing what he must as a virtuous hero. In the view of some modern critics, Aeneas' inner turmoil and shortcomings make him a more realistic character than the heroes of Homeric poetry, such as Odysseus.
Later views of Virgil
Even as the Roman empire collapsed, literate men acknowledged that the Christianized Virgil was a master poet. #### read Virgil, whom he quotes in several places, along with some other Latin poets, though he cautions that "we ought not to relate their lying fables, lest we fall under sentence of eternal death". The Aeneid remained the central Latin literary text of the Middle Ages and retained its status as the grand epic of the Latin peoples, and of those who considered themselves to be of Roman provenance, such as the English. It also held religious importance as it describes the founding of the Holy City. Virgil was made palatable for his Christian audience also through a belief in his prophecy of Christ in his Fourth Eclogue. #### and other classical writers too were declared Christian due to similarities in moral thinking to Christianity. Surviving medieval collections of manuscripts containing Virgil's works include the Vergilius Augusteus, the Vergilius Vaticanus and the Vergilius Romanus.
Dante made Virgil his guide to Hell and the greater part of Purgatory in The Divine Comedy. Dante also mentions Virgil in De vulgari eloquentia, along with ####, #### and ####, as one of the four regulati poetae (ii, vi, 7).
Virgil continues to be considered one of the greatest Latin poets.
Doug B
Footballguy
I need to get my Scientist in ... no time for a real write-up:
7.09 - Michael Faraday, Scientist
Imagine what life was like before this guy's discoveries were applied to both industry and, later, the household. Read on:
7.09 - Michael Faraday, Scientist
Imagine what life was like before this guy's discoveries were applied to both industry and, later, the household. Read on:
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HERBERT THE HIPPO
REAL Ultimate Power
The poor mans Dante......
thatguy
Footballguy
Hey Herbert the Hippo, read this and weep big guy:
Dante made Virgil his guide to Hell and the greater part of Purgatory in The Divine Comedy. Dante also mentions Virgil in De vulgari eloquentia, along with ####, #### and ####, as one of the four regulati poetae (ii, vi, 7).
Dante made Virgil his guide to Hell and the greater part of Purgatory in The Divine Comedy. Dante also mentions Virgil in De vulgari eloquentia, along with ####, #### and ####, as one of the four regulati poetae (ii, vi, 7).
HERBERT THE HIPPO
REAL Ultimate Power
thatguy
Footballguy
You got it backwards.
thatguy
Footballguy
HERBERT THE HIPPO
REAL Ultimate Power
thatguy
Footballguy
After Andy D. Did someone take a PM from him?
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
Andy D via pm:
John Maddens Lunchbox
Footballguy
Has anyone timed out more than once?
I may have missed a post, but Usual21 was skipped again.
Is it safe to put him on autoskip?
Doug B & DC Thunder have stated they are autoskips.
Just helps the flow instead of wasting a god hour of drafting time.
By the way, if it gets back to my 8th rounder tonight, I can be skipped.
I may have missed a post, but Usual21 was skipped again.
Is it safe to put him on autoskip?
Doug B & DC Thunder have stated they are autoskips.
Just helps the flow instead of wasting a god hour of drafting time.
By the way, if it gets back to my 8th rounder tonight, I can be skipped.
HERBERT THE HIPPO
REAL Ultimate Power
7.17 Diego Velazquez - Painter
Diego Velázquez was probably Spain’s greatest baroque artist. He was born in Seville, in 1599. Between the ages of 11 and 16 he worked as an apprentice to the Mannerist painter, Francisco Pacheco. This was where he also gained the influences of Flemish and Italian realism.
For the first few years after he had served his apprenticeship, Velázquez's works fell into three categories. These were the bodegón, which comprised everyday subjects combined with still life, portraits, and religious scenes. He also showed a strong bias towards naturalism. One of his earliest bodegones was The Meal, which is now on display in the Hermitage in St Petersburg. This may have been his first work as an independent master.
Another of the early bodegones that he produced, the Water Seller of Seville, is on display at Apsley House in London. This is often compared with the work of XXXXX because it has a very clever use of light and shadow, and is a realistic portrayal of nature. Velázquez used the people of Seville as models for his religious paintings and his Adoration of the XXXXX, now on display in the Prado in Madrid, actually includes portraits of his own family and a self-portrait for the biblical figures. Velázquez moved in the intellectual circles of Seville, and was introduced to many of the poets and writers of the time. This was to influence him later in his life when his work adopted more Classical themes. In 1622, he painted a portrait of the great poet XXXXX, which now hangs in the Museum of Fine Arts in Boston.
Velázquez travelled to Madrid in 1623, and painted a portrait of XXXXX, which is now on display in the Prado in Madrid. After this he was appointed the King’s official painter. He spent the majority of the next 6 years painting portraits of the Royal Family. He also painted some mythological pictures, The Drinkers, which is also on display in the Prado. His depiction of the people drinking with the God of wine is a good example of how interested Velázquez was in realism, but still maintains his mythological theme. In 1929, Velázquez left for Italy, and spent the next two years travelling around the country. During his time there he studied Italian art and current trends. One of the works that he produced on his travels, XXXXX and His Brothers, is on display in El Escorial, near Madrid. This combines the sculptural style of Michelangelo with the light and shadow techniques of many of the Italian masters.
When Velázquez returned to Madrid he continued as the court painter. He produced many notable works, including XXXXXwith a Dwarf, which is on display in the Museum of Fine Arts, Boston. He also contributed to the decoration of the throne room in the new royal palace of Buen Retiro, alongside some of the most famous painters of the day. His most famous piece is the battle picture the Surrender of Breda. This is now on display in the Prado, and is the most celebrated historical composition of Spanish Baroque art. Velázquez continued as court painter and architect until his death in 1660.
Diego Velázquez was probably Spain’s greatest baroque artist. He was born in Seville, in 1599. Between the ages of 11 and 16 he worked as an apprentice to the Mannerist painter, Francisco Pacheco. This was where he also gained the influences of Flemish and Italian realism.
For the first few years after he had served his apprenticeship, Velázquez's works fell into three categories. These were the bodegón, which comprised everyday subjects combined with still life, portraits, and religious scenes. He also showed a strong bias towards naturalism. One of his earliest bodegones was The Meal, which is now on display in the Hermitage in St Petersburg. This may have been his first work as an independent master.
Another of the early bodegones that he produced, the Water Seller of Seville, is on display at Apsley House in London. This is often compared with the work of XXXXX because it has a very clever use of light and shadow, and is a realistic portrayal of nature. Velázquez used the people of Seville as models for his religious paintings and his Adoration of the XXXXX, now on display in the Prado in Madrid, actually includes portraits of his own family and a self-portrait for the biblical figures. Velázquez moved in the intellectual circles of Seville, and was introduced to many of the poets and writers of the time. This was to influence him later in his life when his work adopted more Classical themes. In 1622, he painted a portrait of the great poet XXXXX, which now hangs in the Museum of Fine Arts in Boston.
Velázquez travelled to Madrid in 1623, and painted a portrait of XXXXX, which is now on display in the Prado in Madrid. After this he was appointed the King’s official painter. He spent the majority of the next 6 years painting portraits of the Royal Family. He also painted some mythological pictures, The Drinkers, which is also on display in the Prado. His depiction of the people drinking with the God of wine is a good example of how interested Velázquez was in realism, but still maintains his mythological theme. In 1929, Velázquez left for Italy, and spent the next two years travelling around the country. During his time there he studied Italian art and current trends. One of the works that he produced on his travels, XXXXX and His Brothers, is on display in El Escorial, near Madrid. This combines the sculptural style of Michelangelo with the light and shadow techniques of many of the Italian masters.
When Velázquez returned to Madrid he continued as the court painter. He produced many notable works, including XXXXXwith a Dwarf, which is on display in the Museum of Fine Arts, Boston. He also contributed to the decoration of the throne room in the new royal palace of Buen Retiro, alongside some of the most famous painters of the day. His most famous piece is the battle picture the Surrender of Breda. This is now on display in the Prado, and is the most celebrated historical composition of Spanish Baroque art. Velázquez continued as court painter and architect until his death in 1660.
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flysack
Footballguy
One of the fathers of tragedy? Not top 5? Blasphemy!Sophocles is the greatest of a group of playwrights I rank alongside the Greek philosophers in their respective influence.thatguy said:
Oedipus at Colonus?!?
Antigone?!?
Electra?!?
These are part of very foundation of "tragedy." Without his 7 surviving plays (and those of his Greek pals), Shakespeare would be half the man he was. Ok, that's a large claim. Tragedy may have been invented by the time Shakespeare was born. But Shakespeare did study Sophocles intensely. As did Aristotle. I can say for certain that Aristotle's Poetics wouldn't have been possible without Sophocles, and Aristotle's Poetics is the foundation of Western aesthetics. Furthermore, without Sophocles one of the greatest books on aesthetics, The Birth of Tragedy wouldn't have been written, the book that launched the career of one of Western Civ's greatest philosophers (name withheld). And we all know the keystone of Freud's thought is based on one of Sophocles' plays.
Not only did Sophocles help "invent" tragedy, he continued to be a generative figure well into the 20th century, some 2400 years after his death. THAT's world influence.
I'm astounded none of the great tragedians went earlier. I chalk it up to the cumbersome poet/playwright combo category - after Shakespeare, most thought only of the poets and forgot all about the playwrights.
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Fennis
Footballguy
Last I heard he was wandering the streets defending French literature and artists.
flysack
Footballguy
Does that chair have a fridge on the side? If so, I have seen man heaven, and that dog is laying on it.
Abrantes
Footballguy
Eh. To be quite honest, I remembered Sophocles and was aware of his influence, but I just don't like reading his stuff all that much.
Great value pick, though. No doubt about it.
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
HERBERT THE HIPPO
REAL Ultimate Power
I wish...... it's a massage chair.
flysack
Footballguy
Damn, love this pick too.Little known fact about Virgil's Aenid -
The story is about the founding of Rome. We all know that. Aeneas is a Trojan who fled the fall of Troy but was prophesied to found an empire that would eventually conquer the Greeks and the known world.
Well, when the Puritans left England (and by "left" I mean "kicked out for being bat #### crazy"), they looked not to the Bible for narrative guidance, but to Virgil's Aenid. They believed themselves to be the new Aeneas fleeing a corrupt and decadent Old World to found a New World empire to last thousands of years. The Aenid was their guiding narrative, and mixed with some good old fundamentalist/cultish interpretations of the Holy Bible (for moral guidance), they believed themselves destined to come to America to bring "the light" (of God) to the darkness of that "undiscovered" land.
Many have traced the underlying imperialistic tendencies of the United States to these Puritanical notions. So go Virgil!
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