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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
It sometimes takes awhile to sift through the theocratic b.s., but there are some gems in this thread.Arendt ended one of her books by saying (paraphrasing) to the executed Eichmann: You didn't want to share the planet with the Jewish people; we find that no one wants to share the planet with YOU. That is the reason, the only reason, you deserve to die.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Massive snipe. I knew he would be gone by my turn with all the opera talk after my pick.
Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
So many choices...
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
It sometimes takes awhile to sift through the theocratic b.s., but there are some gems in this thread.Arendt ended one of her books by saying (paraphrasing) to the executed Eichmann: You didn't want to share the planet with the Jewish people; we find that no one wants to share the planet with YOU. That is the reason, the only reason, you deserve to die.
I do seem to be one of the few fundamentalist wackjob Christians that actually has a self depricating sense of humor that can laugh at religion in general. That's probably why I get along with my pastor so much because he's the same way. But in most of these topics, many of us believers need to lighten up. Seriously. An ifight over some of this stuff just isn't iworth it. And in this draft, theological debates really don't belong. Tim is insane with his posts, Andy realized the rules are the rules even though he doesn't like them, and a few others are just bat**** crazy. Wrap it up together and it becomes fun if you don't get too far out into theological dissertations.Having said that, these debates are also happening because there appears to be less debate about picks in this draft as compared to the American draft. At least to me. I guess it has something to do with the simple large amount of choices covering every pick. I still think there hasn't been a truly bad - cough Art Rooney cough - pick in this draft. But we started off well with Sun Tzu and it just doesn't seem like the continual discussion is here.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
Karl Benz - Inventor
Karl Friedrich Benz, sometimes spelled as Carl, (November 16, 1844, Karlsruhe, – April 4, 1929, Ladenburg, Germany) was a German engine designer and automobile engineer, generally regarded as the inventor of the gasoline-powered automobile and pioneering founder of the automobile manufacturer, Mercedes-Benz. Other German contemporaries, xxxxx and xxxxxx working as partners, also worked on similar types of inventions, without knowledge of the work of the other, but Benz patented his work first and, after that, patented all of the processes that made the internal combustion engine feasible for use in automobiles. In 1879 Benz was granted a patent for his first engine, which he designed in 1878.
Benz's Factory and his first inventions (1871 to 1882)
In 1871, at the age of twenty-seven, Karl Benz joined August Ritter in launching a mechanical workshop in Mannheim, also dedicated to supplying construction materials: the Iron Foundry and Mechanical Workshop, later renamed, Factory for Machines for Sheet-metal Working.
The enterprise's first year was a complete disaster. Ritter turned out to be unreliable and local authorities confiscated the business. The difficulty was solved when Benz's fiancée, Bertha Ringer, bought out Ritter's share in the company using her dowry.[7]
On July 20, 1872 Karl Benz and Bertha Ringer married, later having five children: Eugen (1873), Richard (1874), Clara (1877), Thilde (1882), and Ellen (1890).
Despite such business misfortunes, Karl Benz led in the development of new engines. To get more revenues, in 1878 he began to work on new patents. First, he concentrated all his efforts on creating a reliable gas two-stroke engine. Benz finished his two-stroke engine on December 31, 1878, New Year's Eve, and was granted a patent for it in 1879.
Karl Benz showed his real genius, however, through his successive inventions registered while designing what would become the production standard for his two-stroke engine. Benz soon patented the speed regulation system, the ignition using sparks with battery, the spark plug, the carburetor, the clutch, the gear shift, and the water radiator.
Benz & Cie. and the Motorwagen
Early logo used on automobiles by Karl BenzBenz's lifelong hobby brought him to a bicycle repair shop in Mannheim owned by Max Rose and Friedrich Wilhelm Eßlinger. In 1883, the three founded a new company producing industrial machines: Benz & Company Rheinische Gasmotoren-Fabrik, usually referred to as, Benz & Cie. Quickly growing to twenty-five employees, it soon began to produce gas engines as well.
The success of the company gave Benz the opportunity to indulge in his old passion of designing a horseless carriage. Based on his experience with, and fondness for, bicycles, he used similar technology when he created an automobile. It featured wire wheels (unlike carriages' wooden ones) [8] with a four-stroke engine of his own design between the rear wheels, with a very advanced coil ignition [9] and evaporative cooling rather than a radiator.[9] Power was transmitted by means of two roller chains to the rear axle. Karl Benz finished his creation in 1885 and named it the Benz Patent Motorwagen.
It was the first automobile entirely designed as such to generate its own power, not simply a motorized stage coach or horse carriage, which is why Karl Benz was granted his patent and is regarded as its inventor.
The beginnings of the Motorwagen in 1885 were less than spectacular. The tests often attracted many onlookers who laughed mockingly when it smashed against a wall because it initially was so difficult to control.
The Motorwagen was patented on January 29, 1886 as DRP-37435: "automobile fueled by gas". [10] The first successful tests were carried out in the early summer of 1886 on public roads. The next year Benz created the Motorwagen Model 2 which had several modifications, and in 1887, the definitive Model 3 with wooden wheels was introduced, showing at the Paris Expo the same year.[9]
Benz began to sell the vehicle—advertising it as the Benz Patent Motorwagen—making it the first commercially available automobile in history. The first customer, in late summer of 1888, is alleged later to have been committed to an insane asylum. The second buyer, Parisian bicycle manufacturer [9] Emile Roger, who purchased an 1888 Benz, had a profound effect on Benz's success.
Roger had been building Benz engines under license from Karl Benz for several years, and in 1888, decided to add the Benz automobiles to the line he carried in Paris. Indeed, many of the early Benz automobiles were built in France and sold by Roger, since the Parisians were more inclined to purchase automobiles at the time.
Engine of the Benz Patent MotorwagenEarly customers faced significant problems. At the time, gasoline was available only from pharmacies that sold it as a cleaning product, and they didn't stock it in large quantities. The early-1888 version of the Motorwagen had to be pushed when driving up a steep hill. This limitation was rectified after Bertha Benz made her famous trip driving one of the vehicles a great distance and suggested to her husband the addition of another gear.
The popular story about this first long distance automobile trip is that, supposedly without the knowledge of her husband, on the morning of August 5, 1888, Bertha Benz took this vehicle on a 106 km (65 mile) trip from Mannheim to Pforzheim to visit her mother, taking her sons Eugen and Richard with her. In addition to having to locate fuel at pharmacies on the way, she also overcame various technical and mechanical problems and finally arrived at nightfall, announcing the achievement to Karl by telegram. It had been her intention to demonstrate the feasibility of using her husband's invention for travel and to obtain publicity that would make more people aware of it. Today the event is celebrated every two years in Germany with an antique automobile rally. In 2008 Bertha Benz Memorial Route was officially approved as a route of industrial heritage of mankind, because it follows Bertha Benz's tracks of the world's first long-distance journey by automobile in 1888. Now everybody can follow the 194 km of signposted route from Mannheim via Heidelberg to Pforzheim (Black Forest) and back.
Benz's Model 3 made its wide-scale debut to the world in the 1889 World's Fair in Paris, and about twenty-five Motorwagens were built between 1886 and 1893.
Karl Friedrich Benz, sometimes spelled as Carl, (November 16, 1844, Karlsruhe, – April 4, 1929, Ladenburg, Germany) was a German engine designer and automobile engineer, generally regarded as the inventor of the gasoline-powered automobile and pioneering founder of the automobile manufacturer, Mercedes-Benz. Other German contemporaries, xxxxx and xxxxxx working as partners, also worked on similar types of inventions, without knowledge of the work of the other, but Benz patented his work first and, after that, patented all of the processes that made the internal combustion engine feasible for use in automobiles. In 1879 Benz was granted a patent for his first engine, which he designed in 1878.
Benz's Factory and his first inventions (1871 to 1882)
In 1871, at the age of twenty-seven, Karl Benz joined August Ritter in launching a mechanical workshop in Mannheim, also dedicated to supplying construction materials: the Iron Foundry and Mechanical Workshop, later renamed, Factory for Machines for Sheet-metal Working.
The enterprise's first year was a complete disaster. Ritter turned out to be unreliable and local authorities confiscated the business. The difficulty was solved when Benz's fiancée, Bertha Ringer, bought out Ritter's share in the company using her dowry.[7]
On July 20, 1872 Karl Benz and Bertha Ringer married, later having five children: Eugen (1873), Richard (1874), Clara (1877), Thilde (1882), and Ellen (1890).
Despite such business misfortunes, Karl Benz led in the development of new engines. To get more revenues, in 1878 he began to work on new patents. First, he concentrated all his efforts on creating a reliable gas two-stroke engine. Benz finished his two-stroke engine on December 31, 1878, New Year's Eve, and was granted a patent for it in 1879.
Karl Benz showed his real genius, however, through his successive inventions registered while designing what would become the production standard for his two-stroke engine. Benz soon patented the speed regulation system, the ignition using sparks with battery, the spark plug, the carburetor, the clutch, the gear shift, and the water radiator.
Benz & Cie. and the Motorwagen
Early logo used on automobiles by Karl BenzBenz's lifelong hobby brought him to a bicycle repair shop in Mannheim owned by Max Rose and Friedrich Wilhelm Eßlinger. In 1883, the three founded a new company producing industrial machines: Benz & Company Rheinische Gasmotoren-Fabrik, usually referred to as, Benz & Cie. Quickly growing to twenty-five employees, it soon began to produce gas engines as well.
The success of the company gave Benz the opportunity to indulge in his old passion of designing a horseless carriage. Based on his experience with, and fondness for, bicycles, he used similar technology when he created an automobile. It featured wire wheels (unlike carriages' wooden ones) [8] with a four-stroke engine of his own design between the rear wheels, with a very advanced coil ignition [9] and evaporative cooling rather than a radiator.[9] Power was transmitted by means of two roller chains to the rear axle. Karl Benz finished his creation in 1885 and named it the Benz Patent Motorwagen.
It was the first automobile entirely designed as such to generate its own power, not simply a motorized stage coach or horse carriage, which is why Karl Benz was granted his patent and is regarded as its inventor.
The beginnings of the Motorwagen in 1885 were less than spectacular. The tests often attracted many onlookers who laughed mockingly when it smashed against a wall because it initially was so difficult to control.
The Motorwagen was patented on January 29, 1886 as DRP-37435: "automobile fueled by gas". [10] The first successful tests were carried out in the early summer of 1886 on public roads. The next year Benz created the Motorwagen Model 2 which had several modifications, and in 1887, the definitive Model 3 with wooden wheels was introduced, showing at the Paris Expo the same year.[9]
Benz began to sell the vehicle—advertising it as the Benz Patent Motorwagen—making it the first commercially available automobile in history. The first customer, in late summer of 1888, is alleged later to have been committed to an insane asylum. The second buyer, Parisian bicycle manufacturer [9] Emile Roger, who purchased an 1888 Benz, had a profound effect on Benz's success.
Roger had been building Benz engines under license from Karl Benz for several years, and in 1888, decided to add the Benz automobiles to the line he carried in Paris. Indeed, many of the early Benz automobiles were built in France and sold by Roger, since the Parisians were more inclined to purchase automobiles at the time.
Engine of the Benz Patent MotorwagenEarly customers faced significant problems. At the time, gasoline was available only from pharmacies that sold it as a cleaning product, and they didn't stock it in large quantities. The early-1888 version of the Motorwagen had to be pushed when driving up a steep hill. This limitation was rectified after Bertha Benz made her famous trip driving one of the vehicles a great distance and suggested to her husband the addition of another gear.
The popular story about this first long distance automobile trip is that, supposedly without the knowledge of her husband, on the morning of August 5, 1888, Bertha Benz took this vehicle on a 106 km (65 mile) trip from Mannheim to Pforzheim to visit her mother, taking her sons Eugen and Richard with her. In addition to having to locate fuel at pharmacies on the way, she also overcame various technical and mechanical problems and finally arrived at nightfall, announcing the achievement to Karl by telegram. It had been her intention to demonstrate the feasibility of using her husband's invention for travel and to obtain publicity that would make more people aware of it. Today the event is celebrated every two years in Germany with an antique automobile rally. In 2008 Bertha Benz Memorial Route was officially approved as a route of industrial heritage of mankind, because it follows Bertha Benz's tracks of the world's first long-distance journey by automobile in 1888. Now everybody can follow the 194 km of signposted route from Mannheim via Heidelberg to Pforzheim (Black Forest) and back.
Benz's Model 3 made its wide-scale debut to the world in the 1889 World's Fair in Paris, and about twenty-five Motorwagens were built between 1886 and 1893.
thatguy
Footballguy
I agree with Yankee, I really wish there was more discussion about the picks. I think he's right - it likely has a lot to do with the sheer depth of these categories. It's impossible to really screw up, so unless a pick is deemed a huge steal or a little unorthodox, there is little to discuss. It's too bad really.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
12.19 Hammurabi, Intellectual
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
It's difficult to discuss many times because of spotlighting. Especially with guys who were collaborative or influenced one another during the same periods, impossible to discuss most scientists, many of the painters, etc.thatguy said:
rodg12
Footballguy
Have to agree with thatguy and Yankee here as well. Plus, our general knowledge about many of these picks is no where as extensive as our general knowledge of great Americans. Mostly because the vast majority of us grew up in America and our studies growing up are geared more toward Americans.thatguy said:
Funcooker
Footballguy
prolly better as a WC, but the most important person of the 1st 7500 yrs of civilization. he is to law what Angelina Jolie is to pouty adoptresses....
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Mine should be up in the next 10-15.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
If the judging criteria is :
ego
fame
money
personality
popularity
salesThen you're making sense.
When you're not the best tenor of your generation, when you are not in the top two for your genre all-time, when you cannot read music, when you are an opera singer with a limited reportrie, all of those things make it a slightly tougher sell.
If FUBAR is picking him as a celebrity, should get a decent ranking.
rodg12
Footballguy
I'm a fan of the last two picks. Not necessarily knock your socks off picks, but very solid values. Benz was the (or at the very least one of the) leading pioneers in an invention that is now instrumental to many of our lives. Hammurabi is a good pick for Larry as well. Probably slots best as a wild card, but could slot as either an intellectual or leader if Larry's needs demand it.
Thorn
Footballguy
Part of the lack of discussion is due to the fact that we have very much encouraged the judges to keep most of their ranking/opinions to themselves until the draft is over, unlike in the GAD where some judges
gave running commentary. Not that I'm thinking we should change that. Hopefully it means lots more discussion once they give their thoughts.
Thorn
Footballguy
I'd support this.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
Larry likes having options... I didn't have a Leader or Intellectual picked yet...
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flysack
Footballguy
I've read both series, twice.The Discarded Image is Lewis' best scholarly work. He was a fascinating medievalist.Trey said:I'm assuming you have not read the LOTR trilogy and the Narnia chronicles then? MAYBE you could compare The Hobbit and Narnia but even that would be an insult. Tolkien dismissed his friend Lewis' Narnia books for a reason.They are very light, very incomplete. They are fun reads but it ends there. Children's books and nothing more.flysack said:Trey said:I love far-fetched fanboy bombast like this. Come on, dude. Um, there was this guy, wrote a series of novels set in a world accessible by a wardrobe. Was a contemporary, Oxford colleague, and friend of Tolkien's. Wrote his books around the same time. They were even more popular (mostly because kids liked them).
And to compare Narnia to Lord of the Rings in terms of popularity would be foolish.
Hobbit + Lord of the Rings = Around 250 million copies sold.
Narnia = 120 million copies sold.
Let's not even touch the popular culture impact.
I stand by the claim that LOTR was the golden standard until HP came along.
Edit to add: I think Lewis' other works are much better than his Narnia. "A Grief Observed" and "The Great Divorce" bring up fascinating discussion.
I'd love to know your source for -
A. Tolkien dismissing Lewis' Narnia series.
B. These sales numbers.
I don't doubt the sales numbers currently, but during their time, Narnia was more popular.
Comparing The Hobbit to The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe is not insulting at all. While Tolkien's prose is denser (and much denser in the actual LOTR books), Lewis' books have layers to them. They may be locked in a Christian mythos, but it's not like these are made-for-Hollywood Harry Potter books.
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I'm merely giving you the consensus opinion of your average Metropolitan Opera season ticket holder.You are more than welcome to hold a differing viewpoint.
This is not to say he was not a joy to listen to, on the contrary. I am very thankful the industry has men with his largess that attract a broader audience. But everything I said is a heartfelt opinion completely devoid of embellishment, embroidery, overemphasis, overestimation, overstatement adjective you prefer.
ASIDE: No one was more fun to watch than Big Red; lotta heart. Belmont by 31 reduced me to tears.
FUBAR
Footballguy
He was one of my primary targets for the category from the start. When the criteria was discussed more I thought for sure I would have missed out on him. I didn't even read the recent 100 or so posts, so if Opera was discussed, I'll have to go back and read more.mad sweeney said:
Doug B
Footballguy
flysack
Footballguy
BobbyLayne said:It sometimes takes awhile to sift through the theocratic b.s., but there are some gems in this thread.Arendt ended one of her books by saying (paraphrasing) to the executed Eichmann: You didn't want to share the planet with the Jewish people; we find that no one wants to share the planet with YOU. That is the reason, the only reason, you deserve to die.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
I think this guy is going to be way undervalued as a scientist because he does not fit into the mold of "scientist" with mainstream knowledge. When people think of a scientist, they think chemicals, atoms, space and completely forget about humans as something to be studied. While it is nice to know about chemicals, atoms, and space, it is also interesting to know about who we are as people, individuals, groups and so forth. His work is astronomical in his field and he has made quite an impact as to who we are. There is another that could go in here but I detest the manipulative nature of his work. Therefore, I am going to go with this guy as my scientist, even if he is going to be ranked #20, because he has told us about who we are and not about chemicals, atoms, space. When I go to sleep, I dream about space, when I wake up I am me. The last pick in the round, Mario Kart selects:
12.20 - Jean Piaget - Scientist
Jean Piaget (9 August 1896 – 16 September 1980) was a Swiss philosopher and natural scientist, well known for his work studying children, his theory of cognitive development and for his epistemological view called "genetic epistemology."
The very great importance he attached to the education of children made him declare in 1934 in his role as Director of the International Bureau of Education that ‘only education is capable of saving our societies from possible collapse, whether violent, or gradual’[1].
In 1955 he created the International Centre for Genetic Epistemology in Geneva and directed it until 1980. According to Ernst von Glasersfeld, Jean Piaget is "the great pioneer of the constructivist theory of knowing."[2]
* "Intelligence is what you use when you don't know what to do."
* "Intelligence organizes the world by organizing itself."[17]
* The principal goal of education in the schools should be creating men and women who are capable of doing new things, not simply repeating what other generations have done[18].
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Now, unlike my pick above, this guy is a "scientist" but also an inventor. He is a very important inventor because his one invention helped to move along, create, establish a whole new world in his field. Although the idea for his invention may not be attributed to him directly, he is the one who created the legs to make the table stand on. The idea may have been there, but the creation was not. Over time it has changed a little as more knowledge comes in from the sciences but the main creation is intact. Without this we would not know the composition of the universe, may not have had the atom bomb, may have cold fusion at some point, but it is essential. We have all seen his invention and we have all probably used it to a certain degree. Who is this? To begin round thirteen, Mario Kart selects:
13.01 - Dmitri Mendeleev - Inventor
Dmitri Ivanovich Mendeleev (sometimes romanized Mendeleyev or Mendeleef; Russian: ru-Dmitri_Mendeleev.ogg listen (help·info)) (8 February [O.S. 27 January] 1834 – 2 February [O.S. 20 January] 1907), was a Russian chemist and inventor. He is credited as being the creator of the first version of the periodic table of elements. Using the table, he predicted the properties of elements yet to be discovered.
Mendeleev made other important contributions to chemistry. The Russian chemist and science historian (some guy) has characterized him as "a chemist of genius, first-class physicist, a fruitful researcher in the fields of hydrodynamics, meteorology, geology, certain branches of chemical technology (explosives, petroleum, and fuels, for example) and other disciplines adjacent to chemistry and physics, a thorough expert of chemical industry and industry in general, and an original thinker in the field of economy." Mendeleev was one of the founders, in 1869, of the Russian Chemical Society. He worked on the theory and practice of protectionist trade and on agriculture.
In an attempt at a chemical conception of the Aether, he put forward a hypothesis that there existed two inert chemical elements of lesser atomic weight than hydrogen. Of these two proposed elements, he thought the lighter to be an all-penetrating, all-pervasive gas, and the slightly heavier one to be a proposed element, coronium.
Mario Kart
Leaders - Ho Chi Minh (post #3916) (10.20)
Military - Sun Tzu (post #45) (1.01)
Scientist - Jean Piaget (post #4660) (12.20)
Inventor - Dmitri Mendeleev (post #4660) (13.01)
Discoverer/Explorer - Giovanni da Pian del Carpine (post #1281) (2.20)
Humanitarian/Saint/Martyr -
Novelist/Short stories - J. R. R. Tolkien (post #3003)(6.20)
Playwrights/Poets - Geoffrey Chaucer (post #1295) (3.01)
Villain -
Athlete -
Composer - Antonio Vivaldi (post #3403) (9.01)
Musicians/Performers -
Painter - Claude Monet (post #2236) (4.20)
Artist/Non-Painter - Auguste Rodin (post #2248) (5.01)
Philosopher -
Religious Figure - Pope Gregory XIII (post #3371) (8.20)
Celebrity -
Intellectual - John Maynard Keynes (post #3003) (7.01)
Rebel - Gavrilo Princip (post #3916) (11.01)
Wildcards -
Wildcards -
Wildcards -
12.20 - Jean Piaget - Scientist
Jean Piaget (9 August 1896 – 16 September 1980) was a Swiss philosopher and natural scientist, well known for his work studying children, his theory of cognitive development and for his epistemological view called "genetic epistemology."
The very great importance he attached to the education of children made him declare in 1934 in his role as Director of the International Bureau of Education that ‘only education is capable of saving our societies from possible collapse, whether violent, or gradual’[1].
In 1955 he created the International Centre for Genetic Epistemology in Geneva and directed it until 1980. According to Ernst von Glasersfeld, Jean Piaget is "the great pioneer of the constructivist theory of knowing."[2]
* "Intelligence is what you use when you don't know what to do."
* "Intelligence organizes the world by organizing itself."[17]
* The principal goal of education in the schools should be creating men and women who are capable of doing new things, not simply repeating what other generations have done[18].
-------- ROUND 13 -------
Now, unlike my pick above, this guy is a "scientist" but also an inventor. He is a very important inventor because his one invention helped to move along, create, establish a whole new world in his field. Although the idea for his invention may not be attributed to him directly, he is the one who created the legs to make the table stand on. The idea may have been there, but the creation was not. Over time it has changed a little as more knowledge comes in from the sciences but the main creation is intact. Without this we would not know the composition of the universe, may not have had the atom bomb, may have cold fusion at some point, but it is essential. We have all seen his invention and we have all probably used it to a certain degree. Who is this? To begin round thirteen, Mario Kart selects:
13.01 - Dmitri Mendeleev - Inventor
Dmitri Ivanovich Mendeleev (sometimes romanized Mendeleyev or Mendeleef; Russian: ru-Dmitri_Mendeleev.ogg listen (help·info)) (8 February [O.S. 27 January] 1834 – 2 February [O.S. 20 January] 1907), was a Russian chemist and inventor. He is credited as being the creator of the first version of the periodic table of elements. Using the table, he predicted the properties of elements yet to be discovered.
Mendeleev made other important contributions to chemistry. The Russian chemist and science historian (some guy) has characterized him as "a chemist of genius, first-class physicist, a fruitful researcher in the fields of hydrodynamics, meteorology, geology, certain branches of chemical technology (explosives, petroleum, and fuels, for example) and other disciplines adjacent to chemistry and physics, a thorough expert of chemical industry and industry in general, and an original thinker in the field of economy." Mendeleev was one of the founders, in 1869, of the Russian Chemical Society. He worked on the theory and practice of protectionist trade and on agriculture.
In an attempt at a chemical conception of the Aether, he put forward a hypothesis that there existed two inert chemical elements of lesser atomic weight than hydrogen. Of these two proposed elements, he thought the lighter to be an all-penetrating, all-pervasive gas, and the slightly heavier one to be a proposed element, coronium.
Mario Kart
Leaders - Ho Chi Minh (post #3916) (10.20)
Military - Sun Tzu (post #45) (1.01)
Scientist - Jean Piaget (post #4660) (12.20)
Inventor - Dmitri Mendeleev (post #4660) (13.01)
Discoverer/Explorer - Giovanni da Pian del Carpine (post #1281) (2.20)
Humanitarian/Saint/Martyr -
Novelist/Short stories - J. R. R. Tolkien (post #3003)(6.20)
Playwrights/Poets - Geoffrey Chaucer (post #1295) (3.01)
Villain -
Athlete -
Composer - Antonio Vivaldi (post #3403) (9.01)
Musicians/Performers -
Painter - Claude Monet (post #2236) (4.20)
Artist/Non-Painter - Auguste Rodin (post #2248) (5.01)
Philosopher -
Religious Figure - Pope Gregory XIII (post #3371) (8.20)
Celebrity -
Intellectual - John Maynard Keynes (post #3003) (7.01)
Rebel - Gavrilo Princip (post #3916) (11.01)
Wildcards -
Wildcards -
Wildcards -
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Ozymandias
Footballguy
I'd like to see a nude opera, because when they hit those high notes, I bet you can really see it in those genitals. (Jack Handey)
FUBAR
Footballguy
:rofl:He's a worthy celebrity, but perhaps better as a humanitarian.I'm not sure how he ranks with other opera singers all-time, but the man is one of the most talented singers, if not the most talented, in this era.
FUBAR
Footballguy
Worthy pick, but I'm not sure I'd classify the periodic table as an invention. It might just be my disdain for chemistry, it being my worst subject in college.
Ozymandias
Footballguy
I am a great fan of Pavarotti's. While acknowledging that he was not as complete a singer as some others I could name, I can tell you that I have heard many of them, all over the world, and Pavarotti is the only one that has caused me to yell out "Bravo!" in an opera performance. His exit with Mimi in La Boheme, on the way to the Cafe Momio, is simply the most moving aria I have ever heard. I have never heard anyone else go high on the closing note.
I'm not sure how he ranks with other opera singers all-time, but the man is one of the most talented singers, if not the most talented, in this era.
Thorn
Footballguy
I had the same thought.
Saints-Man
Footballguy
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Me too. Lots of people don't fit nicely into the categories (several business moguls come to mind), so there's still a very deep pool for wildcards beyond 22.
FUBAR
Footballguy
let's add the "Person I'd most like to have a beer with" and "best rack" categories.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
You have posted more than the allowed number of quoted blocks of textquote name='Ozymandias' date='Mar 31 2009, 05:12 PM' post='10140409'
I'm not sure how he ranks with other opera singers all-time, but the man is one of the most talented singers, if not the most talented, in this era.
I am a great fan of Pavarotti's. While acknowledging that he was not as complete a singer as some others I could name, I can tell you that I have heard many of them, all over the world, and Pavarotti is the only one that has caused me to yell out "Bravo!" in an opera performance. His exit with Mimi in La Boheme, on the way to the Cafe Momio, is simply the most moving aria I have ever heard. I have never heard anyone else go high on the closing note.
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He was awesome, tremendous presense, high on the goose bump factor.
He's a great pick for purposes of this draft because he is famous, the biggest name in opera during the mass media age.
All-time ranking...it almost doesn't matter. Seriously.
Great pick, FUBAR, you nabbed one that will do very well for you.
Also, he was an extraordinary human being, I am glad you highlighted his humanitarian work.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
13.2 King Louis XIV of France, Leader
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Mario Kart
Footballguy
Why? Piaget is a legit scientist who happens to study people rather than subatomic particles. Mendeleev invented something that allows many, all, other chemists to do their business with some regularity. The table had to be created in order for future chemists to conduct their experiments. Piaget's thoughts have not had much time to become mainstream but they are affecting all walks of life as we know it... they just aren't pretty to look at, or don't go BOOM!, or won't cause death.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
13.03 Arsenal of Doom - Next Selection, on the clock until 6:54 p.m. EST
13.03 Arsenal of Doom - On Deck
13.05 Acer FC - In The Hole
13.06 Yankee23 Fan
13.07 Thorn
13.08 DC Thunder
13.09 Doug B
13.10 Mad Sweeney
13.11 Big Rocks
13.12 higgins
13.13 John Madden's Lunchbox
13.14 Usual21
13.15 thatguy
13.03 Arsenal of Doom - On Deck
13.05 Acer FC - In The Hole
13.06 Yankee23 Fan
13.07 Thorn
13.08 DC Thunder
13.09 Doug B
13.10 Mad Sweeney
13.11 Big Rocks
13.12 higgins
13.13 John Madden's Lunchbox
13.14 Usual21
13.15 thatguy
FUBAR
Footballguy
check your list.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
no response at all to my pick?
does that mean its great or it sucked?
does that mean its great or it sucked?
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